Re: [google-appengine] Re: Snapchat

[Rafael]

alex,

I keep using appengine because my service is too big for a migration. I'm
the founder of the company.

We chose appengine when it launched. At the time the costs we more than 3
times less. They changed the price and our service was already built, so
we've got locked in.

Do the calculations. I would rather hire a $300k/year engineer that can
scale the service with $5k a month, rather than hiring a $120k that would
scale at $60k month.

Again, we're not in the 70's anymore. It's not that difficult to do what
you're describing.

I'm not arguing. This is not a discussion. Nobody can argue that appengine
is a good choice costs wise.

There are plenty of wonderful things about appengine, but cost is certainly
not one of them, so please stop fake-ing :)

bye
rafa


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:43 PM, alex  wrote:

> Totally agree with Jim and Tim.
> But, I think it's a waste of time trying to reason with guys like
> Rafael and coto.
>
> They keep forgetting the cost of software and hardware maintainance,
> monitoring, load balancing, scaling, intrastructure stack,
> reliability, etc, no matter how many times you try to explain it.
> Sometimes, I wonder why they keep using App Engine. Maybe it's just
> because their companies actually did proper ROI/TCO calculations.
>
> On 21 January 2014 07:35, Rafael  wrote:
> > Guys,
> >
> > Please, we're not in 1970 anymore. There is no argue that appengine is
> the
> > most expensive hosting on earth and possibly the universe.
> >
> > My company spend $4000 a month with appengine. We could host the same
> > service with $50 in a more powerful environment:
> >
> http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex
> >
> > With $300 we could make it redundant and more reliable and faster than
> > appengine.
> > A dedicated server is also more reliable, because of appengine infamous
> > "hicupps" due to its scheduling system and instance boot time.
> > In one of my services I rent a rack with 20 spaces and it's filled with
> only
> > 10 severs. It means I can scale my servers with 10 more. That
> configuration
> > costs $1000.
> > Please, pay attention for 10 dedicated quad-core with 32GB of ram. How
> much
> > would you pay in appengine for that type of throughput? I did the
> > calculations: $60k.
> >
> > Please, it's incomparable price wise. There's no argue and let's not go
> > there :)
> >
> > thanks
> > rafa
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Jim  wrote:
> >>
> >> I've seen many variations of this statement, "Google App Engine is
> >> expensive!", and it always strikes me as a bit off.  I supppose it
> depends
> >> on your perspective and your requirements.
> >>
> >> For the past three years I've been running a small start-up building a
> >> SaaS analytics application.  For the prior 25 years or so I built
> enterprise
> >> apps for some well-known software houses.  The last 12 years I was
> building
> >> SaaS-based software products serving top-tier global financial
> institutions.
> >> During that time I worked on projects where we built, from the ground
> up, 2
> >> different web-based solutions which wound up serving tens-of-thousands
> of
> >> end-users and very large volumes of system-to-system (B2B type)
> transaction
> >> volumes.
> >>
> >> When we created our infrastructure for these systems we needed multiple
> >> geographically dispersed data centers, high levels of fault-tolerance
> within
> >> any given data center, n-tier architecture, secure systems, scalable
> >> databases and front-end servers, system, security and network
> monitoring and
> >> administration, etc.  When you spec that all out from scratch, you will
> have
> >> a hard time doing it for less than several hundred thousand dollars
> capex
> >> with big ongoing opex expense.  Any growth beyond your initial headroom
> will
> >> require additional capex expenditure and incremental ongoing opex.
> >>
> >> Depending on the profile of your application and the system load, at
> some
> >> point you will pass the threshold of it being cheaper to build and
> maintain
> >> your own equivalent infrastructure, but that threshold is very, very
> high.
> >> So it makes me think people who say GAE is 'expensive' are not making a
> >> comparison such as this.  Maybe they don't really need everything that
> GAE
> >> offers.
> >>
> >> Or perhaps they are comparing GAE to other cloud offerings such as AWS?
> >> Amazon's pricing doesn't seem to be radically different than Google's
> to me,
> >> for similar services.  And given that Amazon's PaaS solution is not yet
> as
> >> complete at GAE, I think that any complete appliation built on AWS is
> going
> >> to require some level of system-engineering.  System engineers are not
> >> cheap. One of the things we like about GAE is that, at this point in our
> >> corporate evolution, we can focus entirely on our Customers and our
> Software
> >> and not spend money or time configuring hardware, OS and other "low
> level"
> >> stuff

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Snapchat

[alex]

Totally agree with Jim and Tim.
But, I think it's a waste of time trying to reason with guys like
Rafael and coto.

They keep forgetting the cost of software and hardware maintainance,
monitoring, load balancing, scaling, intrastructure stack,
reliability, etc, no matter how many times you try to explain it.
Sometimes, I wonder why they keep using App Engine. Maybe it's just
because their companies actually did proper ROI/TCO calculations.

On 21 January 2014 07:35, Rafael  wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Please, we're not in 1970 anymore. There is no argue that appengine is the
> most expensive hosting on earth and possibly the universe.
>
> My company spend $4000 a month with appengine. We could host the same
> service with $50 in a more powerful environment:
> http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex
>
> With $300 we could make it redundant and more reliable and faster than
> appengine.
> A dedicated server is also more reliable, because of appengine infamous
> "hicupps" due to its scheduling system and instance boot time.
> In one of my services I rent a rack with 20 spaces and it's filled with only
> 10 severs. It means I can scale my servers with 10 more. That configuration
> costs $1000.
> Please, pay attention for 10 dedicated quad-core with 32GB of ram. How much
> would you pay in appengine for that type of throughput? I did the
> calculations: $60k.
>
> Please, it's incomparable price wise. There's no argue and let's not go
> there :)
>
> thanks
> rafa
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Jim  wrote:
>>
>> I've seen many variations of this statement, "Google App Engine is
>> expensive!", and it always strikes me as a bit off.  I supppose it depends
>> on your perspective and your requirements.
>>
>> For the past three years I've been running a small start-up building a
>> SaaS analytics application.  For the prior 25 years or so I built enterprise
>> apps for some well-known software houses.  The last 12 years I was building
>> SaaS-based software products serving top-tier global financial institutions.
>> During that time I worked on projects where we built, from the ground up, 2
>> different web-based solutions which wound up serving tens-of-thousands of
>> end-users and very large volumes of system-to-system (B2B type) transaction
>> volumes.
>>
>> When we created our infrastructure for these systems we needed multiple
>> geographically dispersed data centers, high levels of fault-tolerance within
>> any given data center, n-tier architecture, secure systems, scalable
>> databases and front-end servers, system, security and network monitoring and
>> administration, etc.  When you spec that all out from scratch, you will have
>> a hard time doing it for less than several hundred thousand dollars capex
>> with big ongoing opex expense.  Any growth beyond your initial headroom will
>> require additional capex expenditure and incremental ongoing opex.
>>
>> Depending on the profile of your application and the system load, at some
>> point you will pass the threshold of it being cheaper to build and maintain
>> your own equivalent infrastructure, but that threshold is very, very high.
>> So it makes me think people who say GAE is 'expensive' are not making a
>> comparison such as this.  Maybe they don't really need everything that GAE
>> offers.
>>
>> Or perhaps they are comparing GAE to other cloud offerings such as AWS?
>> Amazon's pricing doesn't seem to be radically different than Google's to me,
>> for similar services.  And given that Amazon's PaaS solution is not yet as
>> complete at GAE, I think that any complete appliation built on AWS is going
>> to require some level of system-engineering.  System engineers are not
>> cheap. One of the things we like about GAE is that, at this point in our
>> corporate evolution, we can focus entirely on our Customers and our Software
>> and not spend money or time configuring hardware, OS and other "low level"
>> stuff that we (as application software guys) don't want to mess with.  There
>> are very real hard and soft monetary benefits to this.
>>
>> Or maybe when people say "expensive" they mean as compared to other
>> "cloud" offerings that are more along the lines of rented physical or
>> virtual machines.  Yes, some of these can be cheap compared to GAE.  But
>> these are really apples-to-oranges comparisons when you consider all the
>> things you need to provision a global, "utility-grade" (aspirationally,
>> anyway) SaaS offering.
>>
>> So I guess this post is a long-winded way of me saying "GAE Expensive?
>> Really?  What exactly do you mean by that?  Compared to what?"
>>
>> On Monday, January 20, 2014 4:19:54 AM UTC-6, coto wrote:
>>>
>>> We all should be surprised, because Google App Engine is very expensive!!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:23:13 AM UTC-3, alex wrote:

 Why were you surprised?
>>
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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Snapchat

[Rafael]

Guys,

Please, we're not in 1970 anymore. There is no argue that appengine is the
most expensive hosting on earth and possibly the universe.

My company spend $4000 a month with appengine. We could host the same
service with $50 in a more powerful environment:
http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex

With $300 we could make it redundant and more reliable and faster than
appengine.
A dedicated server is also more reliable, because of appengine infamous
"hicupps" due to its scheduling system and instance boot time.
In one of my services I rent a rack with 20 spaces and it's filled with
only 10 severs. It means I can scale my servers with 10 more. That
configuration costs $1000.
Please, pay attention for 10 dedicated quad-core with 32GB of ram. How much
would you pay in appengine for that type of throughput? I did the
calculations: $60k.

Please, it's incomparable price wise. There's no argue and let's not go
there :)

thanks
rafa


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Jim  wrote:

> I've seen many variations of this statement, "Google App Engine is
> expensive!", and it always strikes me as a bit off.  I supppose it depends
> on your perspective and your requirements.
>
> For the past three years I've been running a small start-up building a
> SaaS analytics application.  For the prior 25 years or so I built
> enterprise apps for some well-known software houses.  The last 12 years I
> was building SaaS-based software products serving top-tier global financial
> institutions.  During that time I worked on projects where we built, from
> the ground up, 2 different web-based solutions which wound up serving
> tens-of-thousands of end-users and very large volumes of system-to-system
> (B2B type) transaction volumes.
>
> When we created our infrastructure for these systems we needed multiple
> geographically dispersed data centers, high levels of fault-tolerance
> within any given data center, n-tier architecture, secure systems, scalable
> databases and front-end servers, system, security and network monitoring
> and administration, etc.  When you spec that all out from scratch, you will
> have a hard time doing it for less than several hundred thousand dollars
> capex with big ongoing opex expense.  Any growth beyond your initial
> headroom will require additional capex expenditure and incremental ongoing
> opex.
>
> Depending on the profile of your application and the system load, at some
> point you will pass the threshold of it being cheaper to build and maintain
> your own equivalent infrastructure, but that threshold is very, very high.
>  So it makes me think people who say GAE is 'expensive' are not making a
> comparison such as this.  Maybe they don't really need everything that GAE
> offers.
>
> Or perhaps they are comparing GAE to other cloud offerings such as AWS?
>  Amazon's pricing doesn't seem to be radically different than Google's to
> me, for similar services.  And given that Amazon's PaaS solution is not yet
> as complete at GAE, I think that any complete appliation built on AWS is
> going to require some level of system-engineering.  System engineers are
> not cheap. One of the things we like about GAE is that, at this point in
> our corporate evolution, we can focus entirely on our Customers and our
> Software and not spend money or time configuring hardware, OS and other
> "low level" stuff that we (as application software guys) don't want to mess
> with.  There are very real hard and soft monetary benefits to this.
>
> Or maybe when people say "expensive" they mean as compared to other
> "cloud" offerings that are more along the lines of rented physical or
> virtual machines.  Yes, some of these can be cheap compared to GAE.  But
> these are really apples-to-oranges comparisons when you consider all the
> things you need to provision a global, "utility-grade" (aspirationally,
> anyway) SaaS offering.
>
> So I guess this post is a long-winded way of me saying "GAE Expensive?
>  Really?  What exactly do you mean by that?  Compared to what?"
>
> On Monday, January 20, 2014 4:19:54 AM UTC-6, coto wrote:
>>
>> We all should be surprised, because Google App Engine is very expensive!!
>>
>> On Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:23:13 AM UTC-3, alex wrote:
>>>
>>> Why were you surprised?
>>
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[google-appengine] Re: Announcing a credit for App Engine applications with new custom domains

[pdknsk]

It seems quite likely that Google will not present a solution to this until 
Google I/O this year.

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[google-appengine] Re: Snapchat

[timh]

I agree with Jim here.  I have been developing applications and delivering 
solutions on appengine since 2008.   And for everything project I have been 
involved with 
appengine has been anything but expensive.  When you factor in what the 
real cost operating system/stack  support, etc, on AWS or... additional 
scaling on Heroku, or full stack availability 
on your own hardware, then it seems very inexpensive.

I am sure the are specific use cases where appengine is really expensive, 
but then maybe that application is not appengines sweet spot.

Just my 2c worth

T

On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:44:02 AM UTC+8, Jim wrote:
>
> I've seen many variations of this statement, "Google App Engine is 
> expensive!", and it always strikes me as a bit off.  I supppose it depends 
> on your perspective and your requirements.
>
> For the past three years I've been running a small start-up building a 
> SaaS analytics application.  For the prior 25 years or so I built 
> enterprise apps for some well-known software houses.  The last 12 years I 
> was building SaaS-based software products serving top-tier global financial 
> institutions.  During that time I worked on projects where we built, from 
> the ground up, 2 different web-based solutions which wound up serving 
> tens-of-thousands of end-users and very large volumes of system-to-system 
> (B2B type) transaction volumes.
>
> When we created our infrastructure for these systems we needed multiple 
> geographically dispersed data centers, high levels of fault-tolerance 
> within any given data center, n-tier architecture, secure systems, scalable 
> databases and front-end servers, system, security and network monitoring 
> and administration, etc.  When you spec that all out from scratch, you will 
> have a hard time doing it for less than several hundred thousand dollars 
> capex with big ongoing opex expense.  Any growth beyond your initial 
> headroom will require additional capex expenditure and incremental ongoing 
> opex.
>
> Depending on the profile of your application and the system load, at some 
> point you will pass the threshold of it being cheaper to build and maintain 
> your own equivalent infrastructure, but that threshold is very, very high. 
>  So it makes me think people who say GAE is 'expensive' are not making a 
> comparison such as this.  Maybe they don't really need everything that GAE 
> offers.
>
> Or perhaps they are comparing GAE to other cloud offerings such as AWS? 
>  Amazon's pricing doesn't seem to be radically different than Google's to 
> me, for similar services.  And given that Amazon's PaaS solution is not yet 
> as complete at GAE, I think that any complete appliation built on AWS is 
> going to require some level of system-engineering.  System engineers are 
> not cheap. One of the things we like about GAE is that, at this point in 
> our corporate evolution, we can focus entirely on our Customers and our 
> Software and not spend money or time configuring hardware, OS and other 
> "low level" stuff that we (as application software guys) don't want to mess 
> with.  There are very real hard and soft monetary benefits to this. 
>
> Or maybe when people say "expensive" they mean as compared to other 
> "cloud" offerings that are more along the lines of rented physical or 
> virtual machines.  Yes, some of these can be cheap compared to GAE.  But 
> these are really apples-to-oranges comparisons when you consider all the 
> things you need to provision a global, "utility-grade" (aspirationally, 
> anyway) SaaS offering.  
>
> So I guess this post is a long-winded way of me saying "GAE Expensive? 
>  Really?  What exactly do you mean by that?  Compared to what?"
>
> On Monday, January 20, 2014 4:19:54 AM UTC-6, coto wrote:
>>
>> We all should be surprised, because Google App Engine is very expensive!!
>>
>> On Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:23:13 AM UTC-3, alex wrote:
>>>
>>> Why were you surprised?
>>
>>

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[google-appengine] oauth2.0 for webapps

[Aswath Satrasala]

Hello,
I am trying to provide additional login mechanisms for our web
applications. Currently, it is using the Google accounts login.  I want
users to login using facebook/twitter etc.
After searching the group and on the stack overflow, I am thinking, that
you can do in the following ways
- Google oauth2.0 java client (
https://code.google.com/p/google-oauth-java-client/wiki/OAuth2).  An
example of using the DailyMotion oauth2.0 using this jars is found
here
.
- Use java-scribe. An example is found here
https://code.google.com/p/gwtoauthlogindemo/ and
here

Any suggestions, what should I choose going forward?

-Aswath

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[google-appengine] Re: Snapchat

[Jim]

I've seen many variations of this statement, "Google App Engine is 
expensive!", and it always strikes me as a bit off.  I supppose it depends 
on your perspective and your requirements.

For the past three years I've been running a small start-up building a SaaS 
analytics application.  For the prior 25 years or so I built enterprise 
apps for some well-known software houses.  The last 12 years I was building 
SaaS-based software products serving top-tier global financial 
institutions.  During that time I worked on projects where we built, from 
the ground up, 2 different web-based solutions which wound up serving 
tens-of-thousands of end-users and very large volumes of system-to-system 
(B2B type) transaction volumes.

When we created our infrastructure for these systems we needed multiple 
geographically dispersed data centers, high levels of fault-tolerance 
within any given data center, n-tier architecture, secure systems, scalable 
databases and front-end servers, system, security and network monitoring 
and administration, etc.  When you spec that all out from scratch, you will 
have a hard time doing it for less than several hundred thousand dollars 
capex with big ongoing opex expense.  Any growth beyond your initial 
headroom will require additional capex expenditure and incremental ongoing 
opex.

Depending on the profile of your application and the system load, at some 
point you will pass the threshold of it being cheaper to build and maintain 
your own equivalent infrastructure, but that threshold is very, very high. 
 So it makes me think people who say GAE is 'expensive' are not making a 
comparison such as this.  Maybe they don't really need everything that GAE 
offers.

Or perhaps they are comparing GAE to other cloud offerings such as AWS? 
 Amazon's pricing doesn't seem to be radically different than Google's to 
me, for similar services.  And given that Amazon's PaaS solution is not yet 
as complete at GAE, I think that any complete appliation built on AWS is 
going to require some level of system-engineering.  System engineers are 
not cheap. One of the things we like about GAE is that, at this point in 
our corporate evolution, we can focus entirely on our Customers and our 
Software and not spend money or time configuring hardware, OS and other 
"low level" stuff that we (as application software guys) don't want to mess 
with.  There are very real hard and soft monetary benefits to this. 

Or maybe when people say "expensive" they mean as compared to other "cloud" 
offerings that are more along the lines of rented physical or virtual 
machines.  Yes, some of these can be cheap compared to GAE.  But these are 
really apples-to-oranges comparisons when you consider all the things you 
need to provision a global, "utility-grade" (aspirationally, anyway) SaaS 
offering.  

So I guess this post is a long-winded way of me saying "GAE Expensive? 
 Really?  What exactly do you mean by that?  Compared to what?"

On Monday, January 20, 2014 4:19:54 AM UTC-6, coto wrote:
>
> We all should be surprised, because Google App Engine is very expensive!!
>
> On Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:23:13 AM UTC-3, alex wrote:
>>
>> Why were you surprised?
>
>

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Re: [google-appengine] FullText Search: Latency Issue - Not showing results

[Vinny P]

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Ananthakrishnan Venkatasubramanian <
ananthakrishnan.venkatasubraman...@a-cti.com> wrote:

> Clearly the search request came into the instance that has been running
> for some time. Document was indexed successfully at 12:00:09 (UTC) and the
> request for search came in at 12:00:45 (UTC), 12:01:47 (UTC), 12:01:49
> (UTC), 12:03:08 (UTC) & 12:03:24 (UTC).
>
> Only in the last request came in at 12:03:24 (UTC), the results came
> successfully (1 record found) and the other 4 requests for search which
> came after indexing the document failed to return results (ie...0 records
> found was the result being returned).
>


So to clarify, your issue is that the Search API didn't return the document
until 3 minutes 15 seconds after the initial "index successful" operation?
Did you try any requests after the 12:03:24 UTC mark?

That sounds about correct actually. It's not a bug, it's just that the
Search API requires a little time between the *index.put* operation to the
time where the document is available for search. The fact that
*index.put* returned
successfully doesn't mean that the document is fully indexed, it means that
the App Engine infrastructure acknowledges your request but will need some
time to replicate the document, replicate the indexes, push the updates
over the network, receive acknowledgements, etc.

-
-Vinny P
Technology & Media Advisor
Chicago, IL

App Engine Code Samples: http://www.learntogoogleit.com

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Re: [google-appengine] app engine to work in Eclipse needed 1,7 jre what to do?

[Vinny P]

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:23 AM, LWDLSE  wrote:

> app engine to work in Eclipse needed 1,7 jre what to do? I went to Pref >
> Jave > installed jre > jre and choose 1.7 (7) but same error appear
>


Uninstall all of the Java JRE and JDK installations on your computer
(including 6 and 7), and then reinstall JDK 7. Map Eclipse to use the fresh
install of 7.


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Re: [google-appengine] Re: Snapchat

[Rafael]

that's may be the reason why their product is so simple and elegant.

it was probably extremely hard for a new grad to make something more
complex with appengine? :)


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:19 AM, coto  wrote:

> We all should be surprised, because Google App Engine is very expensive!!
>
>
> On Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:23:13 AM UTC-3, alex wrote:
>>
>> Why were you surprised?
>
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[google-appengine] app engine to work in Eclipse needed 1,7 jre what to do?

[LWDLSE]

app engine to work in Eclipse needed 1,7 jre what to do?

I went to Pref > Jave > installed jre > jre and choose 1.7 (7) but same 
error appear... well?



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[google-appengine] Re: Snapchat

[coto]

We all should be surprised, because Google App Engine is very expensive!!

On Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:23:13 AM UTC-3, alex wrote:
>
> Why were you surprised?

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Re: [google-appengine] FullText Search: Latency Issue - Not showing results

[Ananthakrishnan Venkatasubramanian]

Hi,

Clearly the search request came into the instance that has been running for 
some time. Document was indexed successfully at 12:00:09 (UTC) and the 
request for search came in at 12:00:45 (UTC), 12:01:47 (UTC), 12:01:49 
(UTC), 12:03:08 (UTC) & 12:03:24 (UTC).

There was no instance restarts during these time.

Only in the last request came in at 12:03:24 (UTC), the results came 
successfully (1 record found) and the other 4 requests for search which 
came after indexing the document failed to return results (ie...0 records 
found was the result being returned).

Please let me know if you need any other information regarding this.

Thanks.

Regards,
Anantha Krishnan.

On Monday, January 20, 2014 1:52:01 PM UTC+5:30, Vinny P wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Ananthakrishnan Venkatasubramanian <
> ananthakrishnan.venkatasubraman...@a-cti.com > wrote:
>
>> Why didn't the first query give the results when i tried for the first 
>> time both in text search viewer as well as via the application?
>>
>
>
>
> Does this occur primarily on new App Engine instances, or instances that 
> have been running for some time? Sometimes newly-created instances have 
> difficulties accessing App Engine services. You can test this by examining 
> the instance IDs on each log.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Ananthakrishnan Venkatasubramanian <
> ananthakrishnan.venkatasubraman...@a-cti.com > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We are a premium account user
>>
>
>
>
> Just FYI, this forum is open to all, not just premium accounts. If you 
> want to utilize your premium support, you should email or call Google with 
> the contact information that you received as part of your support package. 
>
> I try to give people the same level of advice and explanation regardless 
> whether they have free or paid accounts :-)
>
>  
>  
> -
> -Vinny P
> Technology & Media Advisor
> Chicago, IL
>
> App Engine Code Samples: http://www.learntogoogleit.com
>  
>

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Re: [google-appengine] Newbie needs some help

[Vinny P]

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Troy Matthews  wrote:

> Which menu on the left will get me to that screen?  I have logged into the
> app and am familiar with the sidebar, but would love to just 'click' in to
> get this pesky step finished its been on my plate too long.
>


There is no link on the left to get to that page. It's the page you should
be getting if the redirect from Apps is working. I was saying that if you
don't see that page, there's a couple of solutions you could try.

1. Try forcing the SSL link by going to the SSL URL. Try visiting appengine
. google . com
/billing/ssl/setup?app_id=[application-id-here]&domain=[your-domain-here]
directly in your web browser (remove the spaces, and put in your
application ID and domain where the HTTP parameters are).
2. Make sure the account you're using is a Super-Administrator for the
Google Apps domain you're using and an administrator for the App Engine
application. What's even better is if you can start from scratch: create a
new account on Apps, promote it to super admin on Apps and admin on App
Engine, and try using that account's credentials.
3. Make sure you're not logged into multiple Google accounts
(school/work/personal/etc). Apps gets confused if you're logged into
multiple accounts and doesn't know what credentials to use.

If all of the above fail to work, then I'd file a production issue at
https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/entry?template=Production%20issueand
see what Google says.


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Re: [google-appengine] FullText Search: Latency Issue - Not showing results

[Vinny P]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Ananthakrishnan Venkatasubramanian <
ananthakrishnan.venkatasubraman...@a-cti.com> wrote:

> Why didn't the first query give the results when i tried for the first
> time both in text search viewer as well as via the application?
>



Does this occur primarily on new App Engine instances, or instances that
have been running for some time? Sometimes newly-created instances have
difficulties accessing App Engine services. You can test this by examining
the instance IDs on each log.



On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Ananthakrishnan Venkatasubramanian <
ananthakrishnan.venkatasubraman...@a-cti.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We are a premium account user
>



Just FYI, this forum is open to all, not just premium accounts. If you want
to utilize your premium support, you should email or call Google with the
contact information that you received as part of your support package.

I try to give people the same level of advice and explanation regardless
whether they have free or paid accounts :-)



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Re: [google-appengine] Invitation Error on Cloud Project

[Vinny P]

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Adam Augusta <
augu...@galatea-associates.com> wrote:
>
> When I add a colleague as the owner of my project, he gets an e-mail with
> the invitation to join the project. When he clicks the link, he gets the
> error below. I'd appreciate any advice.
>


Is your colleague logged into multiple Google accounts simultaneously
(school/work/personal)? Try opening a new Incognito window (or your
browser's equivalent) and repeating the process.


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