[google-appengine] Re: Google Apps No Longer Free

[Mat Jaggard]

Hi Steve,
I think you're missing the point. Some startups are getting going with zero 
capital because an individual with some skills and some time can produce 
and sell a product using free cloud services and then once they've made a 
few bob can upgrade.

Google WERE supporting this model very well - shame on you for stopping.

Mat.

On Friday, 7 December 2012 09:18:18 UTC, Steve Daniels wrote:
>
> Hi Thomas,
>
> I don't mean to show disrespect, but if your startup can't afford $50 to 
> send email from a Google Apps address, then you've probably got bigger 
> issues.
>
> Yours Respectfully,
>
> Steve
>
> On Friday, 7 December 2012 07:11:24 UTC, Thomas Wiradikusuma wrote:
>>
>> Hi Greg (of Google),
>>
>> I agree of what the other Greg said. It's very common to send 
>> transactional emails from a dedicated address (e.g. noreply). It's not 
>> professional (and even raise suspicion) if the "Click here to reset your 
>> password" email comes from j...@startupname.com for example.
>>
>> If it's not possible to increase the account from 1 to n, at least please 
>> allow the use of alias.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 7 December 2012 10:42:42 UTC+8, Greg wrote:
>>>
>>> Just saw that Google Apps is no longer free for 
>>> businesses
>>> . 
>>>
>>> I have no problem paying for a Google Apps account where I actually use 
>>> Google apps, but at the moment you have to have a Google Apps account to 
>>> link a domain to an Appengine app. Some of our apps have two or three 
>>> domains showing the same app, and because you need to have an account for 
>>> each email address that Appengine sends email from, we have three or four 
>>> accounts per domain. So this is potentially going to add $600 per year to 
>>> our costs - all for virtual accounts that don't actually use Google Apps at 
>>> all.
>>>
>>> Can someone from Google comment please? Either Google Apps accounts need 
>>> to remain free if they are associated with Appengine apps, or there needs 
>>> to be another way to link domains (and authorise email addresses) for 
>>> Appengine.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [google-appengine] Senior Java Programmer Analyst (Google Apps) Opening in Florida - Relocation Provided!

[Mat Jaggard]

Agreed. +1 for finding the right place to post, -5 for the content of the 
post.

Maybe recruitment is not the career you're best suited to? I'm sure you get 
plenty of job offers coming past you!


On Wednesday, 10 October 2012 08:43:46 UTC+1, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>
> Let me say up front that I like the idea of recruiters posting want 
> ads into this forum.  I think it would be a wonderful problem to have 
> *too much* spam from recruiters with GAE-related job positions. 
>
> That said, why such a lackluster effort?  There are hundreds (perhaps 
> thousands) of smart people on this list and you presumably hope to 
> attract the best and brightest.  Give us a reason to be interested. 
> You've basically posted the name of your company and the fact that 
> you're looking for GAE developers - as the fifth bullet point.  You're 
> going to get a deluge of resumes from the trade school students who 
> repeatedly post their homework questions here, but that's it.  And 
> it's what you deserve. 
>
> Why am I even bothering to speak directly to "JabilRecruiter"?  Given 
> the D-level effort she put into this, there's almost no chance she's 
> actually reading this list.  Note to future tech recruiters:  Your job 
> is to sell your company.  If you suck at it, I'm going to assume your 
> company sucks too. 
>
> Jeff 
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:43 AM, JabilRecruiter 
> > 
> wrote: 
> > Jabil is looking for a Senior Java Programmer Analyst (Google Apps) role 
> > here at Jabil. This role will play an integral part in our global IT 
> > initiatives. If you're not familiar with Jabil, we're a global $16+B 
> > diversified manufacturing services company located in the Tampa/St. 
> > Petersburg, FL area. 
> > 
> > Email me your resume directly today or apply through our jabil.comcareers 
> > site! 
> > 
> > Job Specifications: 
> > Ideal candidate will possess the following: 
> > • Bachelor’s degree in Computer Science or Management Information 
> Systems OR 
> > equivalent external work experience OR equivalent formal training in 
> related 
> > duties. 
> > • Strong communication and interpersonal skills. 
> > • 10+ years industry experience as a software developer using Java J2EE 
> > Tools and Technologies 
> > 
> > Technical Skills Required: 
> > • Java/J2EE 
> > • JavaScript (advanced or expert level) 
> > • Google Apps APIs 
> > • Google Apps Script 
> > • Google App Engine 
> > 
> > Other Skills of Interest: 
> > Google Contextual Gadgets 
> > Google Web Toolkit 
> > Python 
> > 
> > Thank you, 
> > Michelle Hurd 
> > Corporate Recruiter 
> > michel...@jabil.com  
> > http://www.jabil.com/careers/index.html#.UHRFKy7A9KA 
> > Jabil is an EOE 
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Re: [google-appengine] G+ Hangout on Wed. 15th Aug. 4pm PDT - Pull queues and task tagging

[Mat Jaggard]

Is it possible to view these hangouts afterwards? I'm in Europe and
can't be up at that time, but both Pull Queues and Task Tagging are
really important to my app.

Thanks,
Mat.

On 10 August 2012 22:05, Amy Unruh  wrote:
> There will be an App Engine G+ hangout on Wed., 15th Aug., at 4pm Pacific
> time (23:00 UTC).
> (For those in other time zones, our next two hangouts should be at a
> Europe-friendly time).
>
> In this hangout we'll discuss pull queues and task tagging, and also have
> time for office hours/general questions.
>
> Visit this Google Developers live event page to find the hangout when it
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Re: [google-appengine] Get this off my screen: Overall, how satisfied or dissatisfied are you with App Engine?

[Mat Jaggard]

Also, it was stated that this was an "Optional Survey" - clearly it is not, 
even if there wasn't a mistake in the code causing it to always appear, 
there's no "I don't want to answer this, go away" option.

On Wednesday, 23 May 2012 13:55:20 UTC+1, Mat Jaggard wrote:
>
> Agreed, please roll back immediately, this appears on every page 
> regardless of which option I select.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 23 May 2012 13:43:41 UTC+1, Cesium wrote:
>>
>> Chris,
>>>
>>> You sir, are mistaken.
>>>
>>> The survey appeared on each and every page, blocking important 
>>> information.
>>>
>>> Thank you for rolling back to the previous version of the console.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>  

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Re: [google-appengine] Get this off my screen: Overall, how satisfied or dissatisfied are you with App Engine?

[Mat Jaggard]

Agreed, please roll back immediately, this appears on every page regardless 
of which option I select.



On Wednesday, 23 May 2012 13:43:41 UTC+1, Cesium wrote:
>
> Chris,
>>
>> You sir, are mistaken.
>>
>> The survey appeared on each and every page, blocking important 
>> information.
>>
>> Thank you for rolling back to the previous version of the console.
>>
>> David
>>
>>  

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[google-appengine] Re: Application unreachable (by some users) by Google Apps domain name set with CNAME to ghs.google.com

[Mat Jaggard]

DNS servers can cache negative results as well as positive - albeit
normally for a shorter time. It seems that 62.179.1.63 or 62 are
caching or a pointing to another DNS server that's caching the fact
that app.dziennik.edu.pl was unresolvable.

On Sep 30, 4:41 pm, Janusz Skonieczny 
wrote:
> But how It could have cached a bad lookup? The CNAME was set to
> ghs.google.com from day one.
>
> Here an example network settings:
>
> Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>
>    Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : chello.pl
>    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
>    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : [...]
>    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>    Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>    Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : [...]
>    IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : [...]
>    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.254.0
>    Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 24 wrze˜nia 2011 09:33:25
>    Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 30 wrze˜nia 2011 06:09:11
>    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 87.207.162.1
>    DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.131.40.1
>    DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 249613134
>    DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . :
> 00-01-00-01-13-77-89-56-E0-CB-4E-81-94-81
>    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 62.179.1.63
>                                        62.179.1.62

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[google-appengine] Re: More Apps For Domains "getting in the way" stuff

[Mat Jaggard]

Hi Brandon,
That's what I thought you were saying, but I don't think it's an
issue. For example, I have matt...@mydomain.com set up in Google Apps
and I use that for some other Google services too as a managed
account. My wife uses f...@mydomain.com as a non-managed account
because I haven't set up her name as an account in Google Apps.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I've got something wrong here.

Thanks,
Mat.

On Sep 30, 8:45 am, "Brandon Wirtz"  wrote:
> Hi Nick,
>
> It has been a rough week, so my brain isn't functioning well, so likely I'm
> still not explaining well.
>
> GoogleHighSchool.com decides to deploy an attendance app at
> Attendance.GoogleHighSchool.com
>
> They don't use unified logins just TeacherName and a Password.
>
> Very Clean, doesn't care about OAuth, logins anything.
>
> But to deploy the app GoogleHighSchool.com has to be registered with Google
> Apps For Domains.
>
> Students who used their john...@googlehighschool.com email address to
> Register for Youtube, Picasa, Google+, Etc.
>
> When those Accounts login the next time they get the "You need to Migrate
> your Personal Account" thing that I got on my adwords 2 weeks ago.  
>
> The School also now administers their Google Docs, their passwords, and a
> whole host of other things.
>
> The School that has gone out of its way to make sure that it doesn't have
> access to social media sites of students now could have.   And whenever the
> student forgets their Youtube password, the request no longer goes to Google
> Support with an automated reset, it goes to the Apps For Domain Administer
> and they have to reset it.  With 8500 email addresses, that could be a lot
> of support.
>
> The obvious solution is to run on AttendanceatGoogleHigh.com instead.  But
> that is kind of counter intuitive.
>
> From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Johnson
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 12:02 AM
> To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [google-appengine] More Apps For Domains "getting in the way"
> stuff
>
> Hi Brandon,
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Brandon Wirtz  wrote:
>
> I may have explained poorly.
>
> It isn't that the App needs the logins, it's that all of the personal
> accounts become Managed accounts, Every one of the users would go through
> the "Migration" on their Google Voice, Google Plus, Picasa, etc.
>
> The worry of the school is that the pic of a 12 year old girl in her
> underwear posted to picasa goes from being "owned" by the personal account,
> to being owned by an organizational account.
>
> Also every time a user forgets their password, they go from doing support
> through Google, to support through the administrator.  That's a lot of
> overhead on a bunch of students.
>
> This is not a big deal for me, the client isn't going to pay me enough that
> I care, but I though they raised some good points that I wanted to share.
>
> There's no need to migrate any accounts at all. Your app can accept signins
> from any Google account, not just those on an Apps domain.
>
> -Nick Johnson
>
> From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:14 PM
> To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [google-appengine] More Apps For Domains "getting in the way"
> stuff
>
> Hi Brandon,
>
> What you describe isn't compatible with the current configuration. Simply
> set up Google Apps on the domain solely to associate the domain name with
> the App Engine app, and configure the app to accept logins from any Google
> Account. There's no need to create accounts for users of the app on the
> domain.
>
> -Nick Johnson
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Brandon Wirtz  wrote:
>
> I ranted once before about the issues Apps For Domains created for my
> Adwords account with the unified login, but I have a new rant from a
> potential customer.
>
> They currently use exchange mail and Group policy objects. They don't want
> to be responsible, for these student accounts Documents, Messenger, Google+
> etc. They quite specifically want those to be personal accounts, so that
> they don't have any potential liability for how students use those accounts.
>
> In my view this makes for a pretty good case of why not to require GAE to be
> tied to Apps For Domains.  Not just in my app, but in any org that would
> decide the wanted an app on their domain but the email addresses they
> provide are not employees, or there are so many of them they wouldn't want
> to administer them through AFD (which is not designed for administering 100k
> people.
>
> I know BestBuy and some other large Orgs are on GAE, are they using
> AppsForDomains? Are they running on their primary domain?
>
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[google-appengine] Re: More Apps For Domains "getting in the way" stuff

[Mat Jaggard]

Nick, please read the post carefully. "It isn't that the App needs the
logins"

The problem is that I suspect he wants the application to be on
myapp.mycompany.com - but there are already loads of e-mail accounts
@mycompany.com and so the company doesn't want to move to using Google
Apps. Although I was under the impression that existing @mycompany.com
"normal" google accounts continue to work even though mycompany.com is
signed up to Google Apps.

I must say that although I don't quite understand the issues here, the
whole Google Apps thing is a real mess - I had to use a different
browser to post this for example because Google Groups doesn't work
with an Apps account - and the multiple account switching feature
doesn't work with all services either. It's making Google look pretty
bad, which isn't ideal anyway, but it's on their flagship paid-for
product! I've been an Apps user for 3 years (1 paid, 2 free) and I'd
be really upset if I was still paying.

Mat.

On Sep 30, 8:01 am, Nick Johnson  wrote:
> Hi Brandon,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Brandon Wirtz  wrote:
> > I may have explained poorly…
>
> > ** **
>
> > It isn’t that the App needs the logins, it’s that all of the personal
> > accounts become Managed accounts, Every one of the users would go through
> > the “Migration” on their Google Voice, Google Plus, Picasa, etc.
>
> > ** **
>
> > The worry of the school is that the pic of a 12 year old girl in her
> > underwear posted to picasa goes from being “owned” by the personal account,
> > to being owned by an organizational account.
>
> > ** **
>
> > Also every time a user forgets their password, they go from doing support
> > through Google, to support through the administrator.  That’s a lot of
> > overhead on a bunch of students.
>
> > ** **
>
> > This is not a big deal for me, the client isn’t going to pay me enough that
> > I care, but I though they raised some good points that I wanted to share.*
> > ***
>
> > **
>
> There's no need to migrate any accounts at all. Your app can accept signins
> from any Google account, not just those on an Apps domain.
>
> -Nick Johnson
>
>  **
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > *From:* google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > google-appengine@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Nick Johnson
> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:14 PM
> > *To:* google-appengine@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [google-appengine] More Apps For Domains "getting in the
> > way" stuff
>
> > ** **
>
> > Hi Brandon,
>
> > ** **
>
> > What you describe isn't compatible with the current configuration. Simply
> > set up Google Apps on the domain solely to associate the domain name with
> > the App Engine app, and configure the app to accept logins from any Google
> > Account. There's no need to create accounts for users of the app on the
> > domain.
>
> > ** **
>
> > -Nick Johnson
>
> > ** **
>
> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Brandon Wirtz 
> > wrote:
>
> > I ranted once before about the issues Apps For Domains created for my
> > Adwords account with the unified login, but I have a new rant from a
> > potential customer… 
>
> >  
>
> > They currently use exchange mail and Group policy objects. They don’t want
> > to be responsible, for these student accounts Documents, Messenger, Google+
> > etc. They quite specifically want those to be personal accounts, so that
> > they don’t have any potential liability for how students use those accounts.
> > 
>
> >  
>
> > In my view this makes for a pretty good case of why not to require GAE to
> > be tied to Apps For Domains.  Not just in my app, but in any org that would
> > decide the wanted an app on their domain but the email addresses they
> > provide are not employees, or there are so many of them they wouldn’t want
> > to administer them through AFD (which is not designed for administering 100k
> > people.
>
> >  
>
> > I know BestBuy and some other large Orgs are on GAE, are they using
> > AppsForDomains? Are they running on their primary domain?
>
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> > ** **
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[google-appengine] Yet another new pricing request

[Mat Jaggard]

I'm finding it really frustrating when working out what my (partially
written) application might cost me on GAE. I don't have the option to
compare with my current billing, because I haven't finished writing it
yet. The documentation on costs is really confusing - can you tell me
where the DEFINITIVE costs are and why the following sources disagree.
I think updating the second of these should be a pretty high priority
- it's the front page to GAE for businesses but contains incorrect
details (or at least I assume it does unless datastore reads really
are 7 times more expensive than writes?!)

https://appengine.google.com/billing/history?&app_id=...
http://www.google.com/enterprise/cloud/appengine/pricing.html
http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/billing.html

Thanks,
Mat.

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