[google-appengine] Re: Django 1.0

2009-05-09 Thread Waldemar Kornewald

On 8 Mai, 01:41, little_pea evgeny.demche...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does enybody know id Django 1.0 support is planned for App Engine?

If you want an easy way to use Django 1.0 (and 1.1) you can use app-
engine-patch:
http://code.google.com/p/app-engine-patch/

Bye,
Waldemar Kornewald
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[google-appengine] Re: Django 1.0

2009-05-08 Thread Nick Johnson (Google)

Hi little_pea,

It's not currently on our roadmap, so don't count on it in the near
future. You can use Django 1.0 in your App Engine apps, you just have
to bundle it and upload it with your app.

-Nick Johnson

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 12:41 AM, little_pea evgeny.demche...@gmail.com wrote:

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[google-appengine] Re: Django 1.0

2009-05-08 Thread Andy Freeman

Native django 1.0 may not be on the roadmap, but it is a very popular
request.

To join that crowd, star 
http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=872
.


On May 8, 1:59 am, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com
wrote:
 Hi little_pea,

 It's not currently on our roadmap, so don't count on it in the near
 future. You can use Django 1.0 in your App Engine apps, you just have
 to bundle it and upload it with your app.

 -Nick Johnson



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[google-appengine] Re: Django 1.0

2009-05-08 Thread Andy Freeman

Note that Django 1.1 is coming soon (
http://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2009/may/07/django-1-1-update/ )
so it would be nice if app engine made the leap.

On May 8, 5:33 am, Andy Freeman ana...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Native django 1.0 may not be on the roadmap, but it is a very popular
 request.

 To join that crowd, 
 starhttp://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=872
 .

 On May 8, 1:59 am, Nick Johnson (Google) nick.john...@google.com
 wrote:



  Hi little_pea,

  It's not currently on our roadmap, so don't count on it in the near
  future. You can use Django 1.0 in your App Engine apps, you just have
  to bundle it and upload it with your app.

  -Nick Johnson

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[google-appengine] Re: Django 1.0 + app-engine-patch

2009-01-30 Thread Jonathan Ultis


It looks like you really are missing the PIL module.

syncdb isn't necessary with app-engine-patch. But,

$ python manage.py shell

will probably fail with the same error until PIL gets installed.

Which platform are you developing on?



On Jan 30, 10:44 am, metametagirl metametag...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm trying to start a new app using Django 1.0 with the app-engine-
 patch.  I'm used to using MySQL but I'm new to this datastore.  The
 Django tutorial says to run 'python manage.py syncdb' to create the
 tables, but this doesn't work for me in my development environment.
 Is this step necessary when using this combination of technologies
 (Django 1.0 + app-engine-patch)?

 Also, how do you invoke the Django admin in the development
 environment?  My understanding is that it won't work once you upload
 the app to GAE, but that there should be a way to make it work in the
 dev environment.

  python manage.py syncdb

 WARNING:root:Could not read datastore data from /var/folders/bz/
 bzgZyG4mE5adBq+imZYFdk+++TI/-Tmp-/django_myapp.datastore
 WARNING:root:Could not initialize images API; you are likely missing
 the Python PIL module. ImportError: No module named PIL
 Unknown command: 'syncdb'
 Type 'manage.py help' for usage.

 Thanks in advance,
 Kelly

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[google-appengine] Re: Django 1.0 - any update on plans to replace 0.96 ?

2008-12-12 Thread Marzia Niccolai
Hi Alex,

We are definitely interested in offering Django 1.0 with App Engine in the
future.  However, it seems likely that including Django 1.0 as the default
Django version with App Engine would need to be part of an api version
change, since such a change would likely brake existing apps.

In terms of the high CPU warnings, we are generally working on a solution
that will lesson the affect of such warnings on applications, so we hope we
can address this soon not just for this case, but in general.

As for the time concern, there isn't much right now that can be done.  But
as your application increases in popularity, it's more likely people will
see an already warm interpreter and thus not have to wait for a new
initialization.

-Marzia

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Sharp-Developer.Net 
alexander.trakhime...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hi,

 Any plans to update Django 0.96 to Django 1.0 ?

 The 1.0 has been released on Sep 3 and still not there.

 I use local version of Django 1.0 and it's OK but my concern is
 performance and CPU usage.

 Whenever new instance of handler is created by GAE it takes some time
 and I guess CPU cycles.

 I've noticed Django loading and appengine_django helper installation
 takes solid amount of time (~0.8 sec) and I guess CPU cycles.

 See log extract from main.py :
 
 # 12-11 10:42AM 27.040 - Loading django helper...
 # 12-11 10:42AM 27.862 - Successfully loaded django helper
 

 It does not affect my CPU quota but harm user expirience and make me
 nervous when checking logs in admin console :).

 I assume if we load Django provided by GAE it will be pre-loaded and
 thus no CPU/time penalities for app. Is my assumption correct?

 Would be really great if we could get the Django version 1.0 provided
 by default.

 The latest reply on this is
 http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/msg/c3bb71cd63d8d32f

 May be we should fill a feature request to speed it up?

 P.S. I'm wonder what if Django could be provided pre-patched as an
 option?

 P.P.S. I know - this is too specific request for general platform as
 GAE so would be happy to get any advises on speeding up cold
 requests. For example I already do not load Django if page content
 found in memcache. Still would prefer to have Django pre-loaded. May
 be by specifying this in app.yaml?
 --
 Alex
 http:/sharp-developer.net/
 


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[google-appengine] Re: Django 1.0 - any update on plans to replace 0.96 ?

2008-12-12 Thread Sharp-Developer.Net

Thanks Marzia,

Have GAE team thought about providing some warm-up url?

So if GAE see a load is increasing
(and probably could predict a new request handler will be needed soon)
then engine calls some URL specified in app.yaml (for example) and
a request handler instance created and kept in cache for a while.

So we do not waste time when a user request comes?

I do not talk about 100% accuracy but some sort of pro-active warming
would benefit.

May be you could even disable calls to DB/memcache/etc so it is just
modules initialization.
--
Alex
http://sharp-developer.net/

On Dec 12, 6:49 pm, Marzia Niccolai ma...@google.com wrote:
 Hi Alex,

 We are definitely interested in offering Django 1.0 with App Engine in the
 future.  However, it seems likely that including Django 1.0 as the default
 Django version with App Engine would need to be part of an api version
 change, since such a change would likely brake existing apps.

 In terms of the high CPU warnings, we are generally working on a solution
 that will lesson the affect of such warnings on applications, so we hope we
 can address this soon not just for this case, but in general.

 As for the time concern, there isn't much right now that can be done.  But
 as your application increases in popularity, it's more likely people will
 see an already warm interpreter and thus not have to wait for a new
 initialization.

 -Marzia

 On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Sharp-Developer.Net 

 alexander.trakhime...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi,

  Any plans to update Django 0.96 to Django 1.0 ?

  The 1.0 has been released on Sep 3 and still not there.

  I use local version of Django 1.0 and it's OK but my concern is
  performance and CPU usage.

  Whenever new instance of handler is created by GAE it takes some time
  and I guess CPU cycles.

  I've noticed Django loading and appengine_django helper installation
  takes solid amount of time (~0.8 sec) and I guess CPU cycles.

  See log extract from main.py :
  
  # 12-11 10:42AM 27.040 - Loading django helper...
  # 12-11 10:42AM 27.862 - Successfully loaded django helper
  

  It does not affect my CPU quota but harm user expirience and make me
  nervous when checking logs in admin console :).

  I assume if we load Django provided by GAE it will be pre-loaded and
  thus no CPU/time penalities for app. Is my assumption correct?

  Would be really great if we could get the Django version 1.0 provided
  by default.

  The latest reply on this is
 http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/msg/c3bb71cd63d8d32f

  May be we should fill a feature request to speed it up?

  P.S. I'm wonder what if Django could be provided pre-patched as an
  option?

  P.P.S. I know - this is too specific request for general platform as
  GAE so would be happy to get any advises on speeding up cold
  requests. For example I already do not load Django if page content
  found in memcache. Still would prefer to have Django pre-loaded. May
  be by specifying this in app.yaml?
  --
  Alex
  http:/sharp-developer.net/


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[google-appengine] Re: Django 1.0 - any update on plans to replace 0.96 ?

2008-12-12 Thread Sharp-Developer.Net

For the time being I've disabled some operations in
InstallAppengineHelperForDjango()
(which I believe not used by my app at the moment)

That reduced init time of Django from 0.8 to 0.3 sec.

  LoadAppengineEnvironment()
  #InstallReplacementImpModule()
  InstallAppengineDatabaseBackend()
  InstallModelForm()
  #InstallGoogleMemcache()
  InstallDjangoModuleReplacements()
  #PatchDjangoSerializationModules()
  CleanupDjangoSettings()
  #ModifyAvailableCommands()
  #InstallGoogleSMTPConnection()
  #InstallAuthentication()

May be it could be useful to someone. Have fun.
--
Alex
http://sharp-developer.net/

On Dec 12, 9:47 pm, Sharp-Developer.Net
alexander.trakhime...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Marzia,

 Have GAE team thought about providing some warm-up url?

 So if GAE see a load is increasing
 (and probably could predict a new request handler will be needed soon)
 then engine calls some URL specified in app.yaml (for example) and
 a request handler instance created and kept in cache for a while.

 So we do not waste time when a user request comes?

 I do not talk about 100% accuracy but some sort of pro-active warming
 would benefit.

 May be you could even disable calls to DB/memcache/etc so it is just
 modules initialization.
 --
 Alexhttp://sharp-developer.net/

 On Dec 12, 6:49 pm, Marzia Niccolai ma...@google.com wrote:

  Hi Alex,

  We are definitely interested in offering Django 1.0 with App Engine in the
  future.  However, it seems likely that including Django 1.0 as the default
  Django version with App Engine would need to be part of an api version
  change, since such a change would likely brake existing apps.

  In terms of the high CPU warnings, we are generally working on a solution
  that will lesson the affect of such warnings on applications, so we hope we
  can address this soon not just for this case, but in general.

  As for the time concern, there isn't much right now that can be done.  But
  as your application increases in popularity, it's more likely people will
  see an already warm interpreter and thus not have to wait for a new
  initialization.

  -Marzia

  On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Sharp-Developer.Net 

  alexander.trakhime...@gmail.com wrote:

   Hi,

   Any plans to update Django 0.96 to Django 1.0 ?

   The 1.0 has been released on Sep 3 and still not there.

   I use local version of Django 1.0 and it's OK but my concern is
   performance and CPU usage.

   Whenever new instance of handler is created by GAE it takes some time
   and I guess CPU cycles.

   I've noticed Django loading and appengine_django helper installation
   takes solid amount of time (~0.8 sec) and I guess CPU cycles.

   See log extract from main.py :
   
   # 12-11 10:42AM 27.040 - Loading django helper...
   # 12-11 10:42AM 27.862 - Successfully loaded django helper
   

   It does not affect my CPU quota but harm user expirience and make me
   nervous when checking logs in admin console :).

   I assume if we load Django provided by GAE it will be pre-loaded and
   thus no CPU/time penalities for app. Is my assumption correct?

   Would be really great if we could get the Django version 1.0 provided
   by default.

   The latest reply on this is
  http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/msg/c3bb71cd63d8d32f

   May be we should fill a feature request to speed it up?

   P.S. I'm wonder what if Django could be provided pre-patched as an
   option?

   P.P.S. I know - this is too specific request for general platform as
   GAE so would be happy to get any advises on speeding up cold
   requests. For example I already do not load Django if page content
   found in memcache. Still would prefer to have Django pre-loaded. May
   be by specifying this in app.yaml?
   --
   Alex
   http:/sharp-developer.net/


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[google-appengine] Re: Django 1.0 - any update on plans to replace 0.96 ?

2008-12-12 Thread yejun

It will be nice if GAE always keep one warmed up spare process.

On Dec 12, 4:47 pm, Sharp-Developer.Net
alexander.trakhime...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Marzia,

 Have GAE team thought about providing some warm-up url?

 So if GAE see a load is increasing
 (and probably could predict a new request handler will be needed soon)
 then engine calls some URL specified in app.yaml (for example) and
 a request handler instance created and kept in cache for a while.

 So we do not waste time when a user request comes?

 I do not talk about 100% accuracy but some sort of pro-active warming
 would benefit.

 May be you could even disable calls to DB/memcache/etc so it is just
 modules initialization.
 --
 Alexhttp://sharp-developer.net/

 On Dec 12, 6:49 pm, Marzia Niccolai ma...@google.com wrote:

  Hi Alex,

  We are definitely interested in offering Django 1.0 with App Engine in the
  future.  However, it seems likely that including Django 1.0 as the default
  Django version with App Engine would need to be part of an api version
  change, since such a change would likely brake existing apps.

  In terms of the high CPU warnings, we are generally working on a solution
  that will lesson the affect of such warnings on applications, so we hope we
  can address this soon not just for this case, but in general.

  As for the time concern, there isn't much right now that can be done.  But
  as your application increases in popularity, it's more likely people will
  see an already warm interpreter and thus not have to wait for a new
  initialization.

  -Marzia

  On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Sharp-Developer.Net 

  alexander.trakhime...@gmail.com wrote:

   Hi,

   Any plans to update Django 0.96 to Django 1.0 ?

   The 1.0 has been released on Sep 3 and still not there.

   I use local version of Django 1.0 and it's OK but my concern is
   performance and CPU usage.

   Whenever new instance of handler is created by GAE it takes some time
   and I guess CPU cycles.

   I've noticed Django loading and appengine_django helper installation
   takes solid amount of time (~0.8 sec) and I guess CPU cycles.

   See log extract from main.py :
   
   # 12-11 10:42AM 27.040 - Loading django helper...
   # 12-11 10:42AM 27.862 - Successfully loaded django helper
   

   It does not affect my CPU quota but harm user expirience and make me
   nervous when checking logs in admin console :).

   I assume if we load Django provided by GAE it will be pre-loaded and
   thus no CPU/time penalities for app. Is my assumption correct?

   Would be really great if we could get the Django version 1.0 provided
   by default.

   The latest reply on this is
  http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/msg/c3bb71cd63d8d32f

   May be we should fill a feature request to speed it up?

   P.S. I'm wonder what if Django could be provided pre-patched as an
   option?

   P.P.S. I know - this is too specific request for general platform as
   GAE so would be happy to get any advises on speeding up cold
   requests. For example I already do not load Django if page content
   found in memcache. Still would prefer to have Django pre-loaded. May
   be by specifying this in app.yaml?
   --
   Alex
   http:/sharp-developer.net/
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[google-appengine] Re: Django 1.0 -- would someone from Google please respond

2008-09-09 Thread Michael Angerman
Paul,

Thanks very much for answering my question,
I really appreciate it and I am sure many others do as well.

Thanks again,

Michael I Angerman
Albuquerque, New Mexico
http://www.zrato.com

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hi Michael,

 While we'd like to support Django 1.0 be default in App Engine its
 going to be a little while before we'll have that support. We are
 currently working on some larger features that require the team's
 resources. For the time being we suggest you include it in the app you
 are uploading to App Engine. Below is a link to a thread that discuss
 getting Django 1.0 working with App Engine.


 http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/edaa3f36ebef201f/a0935973b63b9e34?lnk=gstq=Using+django+1.0#a0935973b63b9e34

 Please let us know if you have any questions.

 Paul  - Product Manager, App Engine

 On Sep 6, 12:35 pm, Michael Angerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If this group has already got an official announcement that the next
 version
  of appengine
  will have Django 1.0 inside it, so we don't have to upload it with our
 app,
 
  Just tell me its official and point me to the email or blog posting where
 it
  has been announced,
  if it hasn't been announced yet then here goes my flame.
 
  There are lots of developers out there in the community who would like to
  know the answer
  to this question, because it impacts them on whether or not to release
 their
  new app or lets say
  wait for another week or two.
 
  This is exactly the type of communication that is lacking from Google's
  management -- and why
  their has been a thread recently on why people are disappointed in the
 lack
  of information from Google.
 
  I think appengine is a great product, really amazing, and I think all of
 the
  other Google products are great
  too, so I am big huge fan of Google, but why are they letting the
 developer
  community down by not supplying
  them with information in a timely fashion that impacts developers
 decisions.
 
  This information that I am asking for is extremely basic and others have
  asked the same question in recent days.
 
  So I could go on here, but Google management !  surprise us for once and
  just answer the question definitively.
  I am not expecting to have an answer like it will happen next week.  But
  just give the developer community a
  general sense that yes it will happen in the next month or so, or not,
 that
  is sort of OK too, but keeping the
  community abreast on what is going on is really the point here.
 
  Thanks for you continued support,
 
  Michael I Angerman
  Albuquerque, New Mexico
 
  http://www.zrato.com
 


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[google-appengine] Re: Django 1.0 -- would someone from Google please respond

2008-09-08 Thread Paul

Hi Michael,

While we'd like to support Django 1.0 be default in App Engine its
going to be a little while before we'll have that support. We are
currently working on some larger features that require the team's
resources. For the time being we suggest you include it in the app you
are uploading to App Engine. Below is a link to a thread that discuss
getting Django 1.0 working with App Engine.

http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/edaa3f36ebef201f/a0935973b63b9e34?lnk=gstq=Using+django+1.0#a0935973b63b9e34

Please let us know if you have any questions.

Paul  - Product Manager, App Engine

On Sep 6, 12:35 pm, Michael Angerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If this group has already got an official announcement that the next version
 of appengine
 will have Django 1.0 inside it, so we don't have to upload it with our app,

 Just tell me its official and point me to the email or blog posting where it
 has been announced,
 if it hasn't been announced yet then here goes my flame.

 There are lots of developers out there in the community who would like to
 know the answer
 to this question, because it impacts them on whether or not to release their
 new app or lets say
 wait for another week or two.

 This is exactly the type of communication that is lacking from Google's
 management -- and why
 their has been a thread recently on why people are disappointed in the lack
 of information from Google.

 I think appengine is a great product, really amazing, and I think all of the
 other Google products are great
 too, so I am big huge fan of Google, but why are they letting the developer
 community down by not supplying
 them with information in a timely fashion that impacts developers decisions.

 This information that I am asking for is extremely basic and others have
 asked the same question in recent days.

 So I could go on here, but Google management !  surprise us for once and
 just answer the question definitively.
 I am not expecting to have an answer like it will happen next week.  But
 just give the developer community a
 general sense that yes it will happen in the next month or so, or not, that
 is sort of OK too, but keeping the
 community abreast on what is going on is really the point here.

 Thanks for you continued support,

 Michael I Angerman
 Albuquerque, New Mexico

 http://www.zrato.com
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[google-appengine] Re: Django 1.0 -- would someone from Google please respond

2008-09-08 Thread Noah Gift

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Michael,

 While we'd like to support Django 1.0 be default in App Engine its
 going to be a little while before we'll have that support.

Paul,

I would like to point out that there is also very heavy demand for
other web frameworks in addition to Django.  Currently appengine comes
bundled with WebOb, which is a core library that Turbogears 2.0 and
Pylons use.  There is a substantial base of professional software
developers all of the world that would love to have Django as well as
WebOb derived frameworks bundled.  Personally, I think it would be a
great service to the Python community to natively include these
frameworks with appengine if Django is included, or at least ensure
that their components work such as Genshi or Mako templating by
default.

Thanks again for the communication!


We are
 currently working on some larger features that require the team's
 resources. For the time being we suggest you include it in the app you
 are uploading to App Engine. Below is a link to a thread that discuss
 getting Django 1.0 working with App Engine.

 http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/edaa3f36ebef201f/a0935973b63b9e34?lnk=gstq=Using+django+1.0#a0935973b63b9e34

 Please let us know if you have any questions.

 Paul  - Product Manager, App Engine

 On Sep 6, 12:35 pm, Michael Angerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If this group has already got an official announcement that the next version
 of appengine
 will have Django 1.0 inside it, so we don't have to upload it with our app,

 Just tell me its official and point me to the email or blog posting where it
 has been announced,
 if it hasn't been announced yet then here goes my flame.

 There are lots of developers out there in the community who would like to
 know the answer
 to this question, because it impacts them on whether or not to release their
 new app or lets say
 wait for another week or two.

 This is exactly the type of communication that is lacking from Google's
 management -- and why
 their has been a thread recently on why people are disappointed in the lack
 of information from Google.

 I think appengine is a great product, really amazing, and I think all of the
 other Google products are great
 too, so I am big huge fan of Google, but why are they letting the developer
 community down by not supplying
 them with information in a timely fashion that impacts developers decisions.

 This information that I am asking for is extremely basic and others have
 asked the same question in recent days.

 So I could go on here, but Google management !  surprise us for once and
 just answer the question definitively.
 I am not expecting to have an answer like it will happen next week.  But
 just give the developer community a
 general sense that yes it will happen in the next month or so, or not, that
 is sort of OK too, but keeping the
 community abreast on what is going on is really the point here.

 Thanks for you continued support,

 Michael I Angerman
 Albuquerque, New Mexico

 http://www.zrato.com
 




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[google-appengine] Re: Django 1.0?

2008-09-04 Thread Wooble

First search result on Django 1.0: 
http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/msg/d91a710891cc6789

On Sep 3, 8:40 pm, DaNmarner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does any body know whether GAE is going to update the version included
 Django to 1.0?
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[google-appengine] Re: Django 1.0?

2008-09-04 Thread Nico

I think the question is not if, but when.
I hope it will happen very soon, now that 1.0 final is out...

On 4 Sep., 02:40, DaNmarner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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