[google-appengine] Re: More Apps For Domains getting in the way stuff
Nick, please read the post carefully. It isn't that the App needs the logins The problem is that I suspect he wants the application to be on myapp.mycompany.com - but there are already loads of e-mail accounts @mycompany.com and so the company doesn't want to move to using Google Apps. Although I was under the impression that existing @mycompany.com normal google accounts continue to work even though mycompany.com is signed up to Google Apps. I must say that although I don't quite understand the issues here, the whole Google Apps thing is a real mess - I had to use a different browser to post this for example because Google Groups doesn't work with an Apps account - and the multiple account switching feature doesn't work with all services either. It's making Google look pretty bad, which isn't ideal anyway, but it's on their flagship paid-for product! I've been an Apps user for 3 years (1 paid, 2 free) and I'd be really upset if I was still paying. Mat. On Sep 30, 8:01 am, Nick Johnson nickjohn...@google.com wrote: Hi Brandon, On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: I may have explained poorly… ** ** It isn’t that the App needs the logins, it’s that all of the personal accounts become Managed accounts, Every one of the users would go through the “Migration” on their Google Voice, Google Plus, Picasa, etc. ** ** The worry of the school is that the pic of a 12 year old girl in her underwear posted to picasa goes from being “owned” by the personal account, to being owned by an organizational account. ** ** Also every time a user forgets their password, they go from doing support through Google, to support through the administrator. That’s a lot of overhead on a bunch of students. ** ** This is not a big deal for me, the client isn’t going to pay me enough that I care, but I though they raised some good points that I wanted to share.* *** ** There's no need to migrate any accounts at all. Your app can accept signins from any Google account, not just those on an Apps domain. -Nick Johnson ** *From:* google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto: google-appengine@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Nick Johnson *Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:14 PM *To:* google-appengine@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [google-appengine] More Apps For Domains getting in the way stuff ** ** Hi Brandon, ** ** What you describe isn't compatible with the current configuration. Simply set up Google Apps on the domain solely to associate the domain name with the App Engine app, and configure the app to accept logins from any Google Account. There's no need to create accounts for users of the app on the domain. ** ** -Nick Johnson ** ** On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: I ranted once before about the issues Apps For Domains created for my Adwords account with the unified login, but I have a new rant from a potential customer… They currently use exchange mail and Group policy objects. They don’t want to be responsible, for these student accounts Documents, Messenger, Google+ etc. They quite specifically want those to be personal accounts, so that they don’t have any potential liability for how students use those accounts. In my view this makes for a pretty good case of why not to require GAE to be tied to Apps For Domains. Not just in my app, but in any org that would decide the wanted an app on their domain but the email addresses they provide are not employees, or there are so many of them they wouldn’t want to administer them through AFD (which is not designed for administering 100k people. I know BestBuy and some other large Orgs are on GAE, are they using AppsForDomains? Are they running on their primary domain? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. ** ** -- Nick Johnson, Developer Programs Engineer, App Engine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to
[google-appengine] Re: More Apps For Domains getting in the way stuff
Hi Brandon, That's what I thought you were saying, but I don't think it's an issue. For example, I have matt...@mydomain.com set up in Google Apps and I use that for some other Google services too as a managed account. My wife uses f...@mydomain.com as a non-managed account because I haven't set up her name as an account in Google Apps. I'm sure someone will correct me if I've got something wrong here. Thanks, Mat. On Sep 30, 8:45 am, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: Hi Nick, It has been a rough week, so my brain isn't functioning well, so likely I'm still not explaining well. GoogleHighSchool.com decides to deploy an attendance app at Attendance.GoogleHighSchool.com They don't use unified logins just TeacherName and a Password. Very Clean, doesn't care about OAuth, logins anything. But to deploy the app GoogleHighSchool.com has to be registered with Google Apps For Domains. Students who used their john...@googlehighschool.com email address to Register for Youtube, Picasa, Google+, Etc. When those Accounts login the next time they get the You need to Migrate your Personal Account thing that I got on my adwords 2 weeks ago. The School also now administers their Google Docs, their passwords, and a whole host of other things. The School that has gone out of its way to make sure that it doesn't have access to social media sites of students now could have. And whenever the student forgets their Youtube password, the request no longer goes to Google Support with an automated reset, it goes to the Apps For Domain Administer and they have to reset it. With 8500 email addresses, that could be a lot of support. The obvious solution is to run on AttendanceatGoogleHigh.com instead. But that is kind of counter intuitive. From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Johnson Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 12:02 AM To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [google-appengine] More Apps For Domains getting in the way stuff Hi Brandon, On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: I may have explained poorly. It isn't that the App needs the logins, it's that all of the personal accounts become Managed accounts, Every one of the users would go through the Migration on their Google Voice, Google Plus, Picasa, etc. The worry of the school is that the pic of a 12 year old girl in her underwear posted to picasa goes from being owned by the personal account, to being owned by an organizational account. Also every time a user forgets their password, they go from doing support through Google, to support through the administrator. That's a lot of overhead on a bunch of students. This is not a big deal for me, the client isn't going to pay me enough that I care, but I though they raised some good points that I wanted to share. There's no need to migrate any accounts at all. Your app can accept signins from any Google account, not just those on an Apps domain. -Nick Johnson From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Johnson Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:14 PM To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [google-appengine] More Apps For Domains getting in the way stuff Hi Brandon, What you describe isn't compatible with the current configuration. Simply set up Google Apps on the domain solely to associate the domain name with the App Engine app, and configure the app to accept logins from any Google Account. There's no need to create accounts for users of the app on the domain. -Nick Johnson On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: I ranted once before about the issues Apps For Domains created for my Adwords account with the unified login, but I have a new rant from a potential customer. They currently use exchange mail and Group policy objects. They don't want to be responsible, for these student accounts Documents, Messenger, Google+ etc. They quite specifically want those to be personal accounts, so that they don't have any potential liability for how students use those accounts. In my view this makes for a pretty good case of why not to require GAE to be tied to Apps For Domains. Not just in my app, but in any org that would decide the wanted an app on their domain but the email addresses they provide are not employees, or there are so many of them they wouldn't want to administer them through AFD (which is not designed for administering 100k people. I know BestBuy and some other large Orgs are on GAE, are they using AppsForDomains? Are they running on their primary domain? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[google-appengine] Re: More Apps For Domains getting in the way stuff
Hi guys at Google! I agree that having to use Apps for Domains just to link a domain to my app is limiting. For example, I want to create an app that's a platform similar to tumblr. One of the important features is to allow the user to have their own domain name. Currently, there is no automatic or programatic way of doing this. This has to be done manually via Google Apps for Domains. The ideal scenario would be just letting the user point a CNAME record to my app domain name or even a special domain name provided by appengine, and then traffic would start going to the app. I don't think I can currently do this, or can I? On Sep 30, 4:05 pm, Mat Jaggard matjagg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brandon, That's what I thought you were saying, but I don't think it's an issue. For example, I have matt...@mydomain.com set up in Google Apps and I use that for some other Google services too as a managed account. My wife uses f...@mydomain.com as a non-managed account because I haven't set up her name as an account in Google Apps. I'm sure someone will correct me if I've got something wrong here. Thanks, Mat. On Sep 30, 8:45 am, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: Hi Nick, It has been a rough week, so my brain isn't functioning well, so likely I'm still not explaining well. GoogleHighSchool.com decides to deploy an attendance app at Attendance.GoogleHighSchool.com They don't use unified logins just TeacherName and a Password. Very Clean, doesn't care about OAuth, logins anything. But to deploy the app GoogleHighSchool.com has to be registered with Google Apps For Domains. Students who used their john...@googlehighschool.com email address to Register for Youtube, Picasa, Google+, Etc. When those Accounts login the next time they get the You need to Migrate your Personal Account thing that I got on my adwords 2 weeks ago. The School also now administers their Google Docs, their passwords, and a whole host of other things. The School that has gone out of its way to make sure that it doesn't have access to social media sites of students now could have. And whenever the student forgets their Youtube password, the request no longer goes to Google Support with an automated reset, it goes to the Apps For Domain Administer and they have to reset it. With 8500 email addresses, that could be a lot of support. The obvious solution is to run on AttendanceatGoogleHigh.com instead. But that is kind of counter intuitive. From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Johnson Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 12:02 AM To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [google-appengine] More Apps For Domains getting in the way stuff Hi Brandon, On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: I may have explained poorly. It isn't that the App needs the logins, it's that all of the personal accounts become Managed accounts, Every one of the users would go through the Migration on their Google Voice, Google Plus, Picasa, etc. The worry of the school is that the pic of a 12 year old girl in her underwear posted to picasa goes from being owned by the personal account, to being owned by an organizational account. Also every time a user forgets their password, they go from doing support through Google, to support through the administrator. That's a lot of overhead on a bunch of students. This is not a big deal for me, the client isn't going to pay me enough that I care, but I though they raised some good points that I wanted to share. There's no need to migrate any accounts at all. Your app can accept signins from any Google account, not just those on an Apps domain. -Nick Johnson From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Johnson Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:14 PM To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [google-appengine] More Apps For Domains getting in the way stuff Hi Brandon, What you describe isn't compatible with the current configuration. Simply set up Google Apps on the domain solely to associate the domain name with the App Engine app, and configure the app to accept logins from any Google Account. There's no need to create accounts for users of the app on the domain. -Nick Johnson On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Brandon Wirtz drak...@digerat.com wrote: I ranted once before about the issues Apps For Domains created for my Adwords account with the unified login, but I have a new rant from a potential customer. They currently use exchange mail and Group policy objects. They don't want to be responsible, for these student accounts Documents, Messenger, Google+ etc. They quite specifically want those to be personal accounts, so that they don't have any potential liability for how
[google-appengine] Re: more apps
I could but I'd rather go about it the right way... On Apr 20, 2:48 pm, Barry Hunter barrybhun...@gmail.com wrote: Can't you just create apps in this second account, and add the first as a developer. On 20 April 2011 20:36, JH ja...@tickettrackit.com wrote: Can I get some more apps? I am running low and would like to make sure I have more when I need them.. I have billing enabled for all my apps. Also, as a side note, I deleted 2 apps recently. However, I used another gmail account which I had invited as a developer to delete the accounts. Therefore, that account got 2 more apps, so now that gmail has 12 available apps, and my account, the one which created the deleted apps, got no credit. Not sure if this is the intended behavior. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: more apps
See the following... https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-appengine/72qw2twSvwo/discussion *Brian Davenport* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
