[google-appengine] Re: quotas in appengine
I agree jay, the most important feature for me right now is getting the payment system in place. One thing that is not clear to me is if we will be able to buy more Puts-per-hour so that we aren't taken offline for a legitimate spike in traffic. I'm not sure how I would tell me clients to *slowly* ramp up their usage :) (now if there was a queue in GAE that I could dump to and slowly add from the background, i would gladly use it). I've looked at SimpleDB too and the lack of Put limits makes it far easier to test a real-world application. some notes on this from yesterday's chat that were somewhat encouraging: [09:29am] ryan_google: billing will include user-definable budgets, notifications, and other tools to let you ensure that you're not cut off [09:52am] danielobrien: Vamsi: Billing is sometime between now and the end of march, not necessarily march itself. --maybe March, yuck [09:57am] marzia_google: bFlood: we are trying to release some form of billing by the end of the year, but the exact timeline and form of such a release is yet to be determined On Nov 19, 10:12 pm, Jay Freeman \(saurik\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me like, if this were a problem, then Google isn't doing their job when it comes to scaling our applications. When I'm using Amazon's S3 or their SimpleDB (or, for the most part, EC2) I just have to think about how much I pay for per GB used and per GB transferred. Amazon provides me almost no limitations on how much data I can store or how quickly I can access it, so why does Google? Is Amazon's ability to install more servers to handle increased load fundamentally greater than that of Google's? I wish less time was spent on quotas, even on features... even on /fixing bugs/ (and yes, even those which I consider to be blocking issues), and more time was spent on billing infrastructure so I could start paying them to scale in the way my application actually needs rather than in the ways they are willing to provide out of the kindness of their giant Google hearts for free. :( -J -- From: Barry Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:57 AM To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com Subject: [google-appengine] Re: quotas in appengine Remember AppEngine is a 'shared' environment - lots of apps are all using a slice of the same resources. Would you rather that someone (maliciously or simply though ignorance) monopolizes all the resources (even if they are paying) and that brings your app (though no fault of your own) to a standstill. ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: quotas in appengine
I understand some of the reasons given above, I guess my app is not for AppEngine then. I feel that Google would end up alienating developers with their quota system. When they announced the AppEngine, they talked about quotas in a different way - some millions or so cpu hours would be free per month. But, with this per request quotas and red warnings that I get for most urls long long before I have been anywhere close to that enormous free stuff which was promised; I feel that the facts wasn't communicated properly or I didn't understand them properly. I don't have time to discuss this and waste my time further, I am off to Amazon today. Quota Limit Emails per Day 2,000 Bandwidth In per Day* 10,000 MB Bandwidth Out per Day* 10,000 MB HTTPS Bandwidth In per Day 2,000 MB HTTPS Bandwidth Out per Day 2,000 MB CPU Megacycles per Day 200,000,000 Total HTTP Requests per Day 650,000 HTTPS Requests per Day 130,000 Datastore API Calls per Day 2,500,000 URLFetch API Calls per Day 160,000 This is *bs*to at least a class of developers, because it is not true in reality for them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: quotas in appengine
It seems to me like, if this were a problem, then Google isn't doing their job when it comes to scaling our applications. When I'm using Amazon's S3 or their SimpleDB (or, for the most part, EC2) I just have to think about how much I pay for per GB used and per GB transferred. Amazon provides me almost no limitations on how much data I can store or how quickly I can access it, so why does Google? Is Amazon's ability to install more servers to handle increased load fundamentally greater than that of Google's? I wish less time was spent on quotas, even on features... even on /fixing bugs/ (and yes, even those which I consider to be blocking issues), and more time was spent on billing infrastructure so I could start paying them to scale in the way my application actually needs rather than in the ways they are willing to provide out of the kindness of their giant Google hearts for free. :( -J -- From: Barry Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:57 AM To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com Subject: [google-appengine] Re: quotas in appengine Remember AppEngine is a 'shared' environment - lots of apps are all using a slice of the same resources. Would you rather that someone (maliciously or simply though ignorance) monopolizes all the resources (even if they are paying) and that brings your app (though no fault of your own) to a standstill. ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: quotas in appengine
Hi,All now I worry about my applications that I development on google appengine. when the quota has been exceed. what can I do?? transfer it to Django again or that how about you/? On Nov 10, 6:47 pm, Barry Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Google have said that Quotas will still be there for paying customers, most will then be higher but they wont be gone. My personal opinion of course, but Google want you to spend time to make your application better not just throw more money at the problem (which is just delagating the developement to Google) However its also been said that high CPU warnings is generally considered a bug, so that will be 'cured' at some point for everyone. On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice to get an assurance that paid accounts will cure quotas, when they arrive. Cheers! Greg. -- Barry -www.nearby.org.uk-www.geograph.org.uk- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: quotas in appengine
Google have said that Quotas will still be there for paying customers, most will then be higher but they wont be gone. My personal opinion of course, but Google want you to spend time to make your application better not just throw more money at the problem (which is just delagating the developement to Google) However its also been said that high CPU warnings is generally considered a bug, so that will be 'cured' at some point for everyone. On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice to get an assurance that paid accounts will cure quotas, when they arrive. Cheers! Greg. -- Barry - www.nearby.org.uk - www.geograph.org.uk - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[google-appengine] Re: quotas in appengine
It would be nice to get an assurance that paid accounts will cure quotas, when they arrive. Cheers! Greg. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
