Re: [google-appengine] Re: What happened to the promised reliability improvement for email delivery?
We are sending out about 1.8 million emails per month. SES or sendgrid would be way to expensive. (~$1000). We do it from a single server (2ghz, 4gb) hosted somewhere outside of google. It costs us about $60 per month and we have a great delivery rate (spif, dkim, dedicated ip and also very important: we handle all email bounces in appengine and dont send any further email to an address if it bounces) Our delivery rate is quite high, way beyond GAE, except for hotmail. I can highly recommend building setting up your own email server and just add a simple php script to expose a http api. Took me about a day to setup and its 20x cheaper then sendgrid. It's been running for almost a year and i never even had to login into the mailserver. it just runs super smooth. I'm monitoring it with prodeagle.com Cheers, -Andrin On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Vivek Puri v...@vivekpuri.com wrote: 'Cause we like startups! On Dec 1, 8:19 pm, voscausa robert@gmail.com wrote: Why Sendgrid and not AWS SES. I moved to AWS SES and it is looking veyy good. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
RE: [google-appengine] Re: What happened to the promised reliability improvement for email delivery?
Server Beach. Pick a Canada CoLo Pricing about what Andrin said. Being in Canada you screw up and violate some Cann Spam law. Or if you do so intentionally. Being in Canada will prevent your system from just disappearing, and having your domain stolen. At least for a little while. They have a 100% SLA (.5% better than Google's) Because they are hard core like that. I have coupons if you need them. I run quite a few servers there. From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrin von Rechenberg Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:35 AM To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com Cc: Uwe Maurer Subject: Re: [google-appengine] Re: What happened to the promised reliability improvement for email delivery? We are sending out about 1.8 million emails per month. SES or sendgrid would be way to expensive. (~$1000). We do it from a single server (2ghz, 4gb) hosted somewhere outside of google. It costs us about $60 per month and we have a great delivery rate (spif, dkim, dedicated ip and also very important: we handle all email bounces in appengine and dont send any further email to an address if it bounces) Our delivery rate is quite high, way beyond GAE, except for hotmail. I can highly recommend building setting up your own email server and just add a simple php script to expose a http api. Took me about a day to setup and its 20x cheaper then sendgrid. It's been running for almost a year and i never even had to login into the mailserver. it just runs super smooth. I'm monitoring it with prodeagle.com Cheers, -Andrin On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Vivek Puri v...@vivekpuri.com wrote: 'Cause we like startups! On Dec 1, 8:19 pm, voscausa robert@gmail.com wrote: Why Sendgrid and not AWS SES. I moved to AWS SES and it is looking veyy good. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:google-appengine%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: What happened to the promised reliability improvement for email delivery?
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:07 PM, jon jonni.g...@gmail.com wrote: Assume #3. Use a different email provider. There are countless to choose from. Jeff can you recommend one? We're about to integrate with messagebus.com but I don't know enough about their service yet to give the big thumbs up. They're run by very cool people, so all lights are green so far. I'm pretty close to adopting a startup-only policy for service providers. The support we've been getting from MessageBus and WePay (especially WePay!) has been nothing short of astounding. You'll never get the time of day out of Amazon or PayPal. Despite Google's silence on this particular issue (which I suspect is due to a questionable commitment), the support here in this forum has been really good - I'm not sure if you realize it, but the people answering questions in this forum are often the actual engineers developing features. As far as email goes - personally, I'd rather Appengine shut down the email API and put those developers to work on something else. Email is something that many other providers do well, and there's no particular benefit to having it built in (getting two bills is truly a first world problem). I'd rather Google focus on the hard problems which can't easily be implemented by third parties - spatial indexes, pull queue grouping, transactional task deleting, etc. These enable whole new solution domains. Think about the major new features that the GAE team has rolled out in the last year... the HRD, XG transactions, Backends, Exploding Index Repellant, Pull Queues, Memcache CAS, Deferred Tasks, Cursors, Async Datastore Operations... every time one of these features comes out I think How did I ever write code without this? That's what I want more of. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: What happened to the promised reliability improvement for email delivery?
As far as email goes - personally, I'd rather Appengine shut down the email API and put those developers to work on something else. Email I agree, completely... well almost completely... Keep the current basic email to help newbies play and test, but minimize devoting any further significant resources and possibly relabel that api as beta/experimental or at least as not destined to receive lots of attention right away, to be up front about it. It's a non-trivial, high-nuisance service to provide/maintain. -A -- Adrian Scott, Ph.D. CEO, Founder CoderBuddy http://www.coderbuddy.com/ -- Create a Facebook or Google App Engine app in a minute without installing anything is something that many other providers do well, and there's no particular benefit to having it built in (getting two bills is truly a first world problem). I'd rather Google focus on the hard problems which can't easily be implemented by third parties - spatial indexes, pull queue grouping, transactional task deleting, etc. These enable whole new solution domains. Think about the major new features that the GAE team has rolled out in the last year... the HRD, XG transactions, Backends, Exploding Index Repellant, Pull Queues, Memcache CAS, Deferred Tasks, Cursors, Async Datastore Operations... every time one of these features comes out I think How did I ever write code without this? That's what I want more of. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: What happened to the promised reliability improvement for email delivery?
The email needs to be sorted. No email sent to a hotmail account from the app engine seem to arrive! Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2011, at 19:36, pdknsk pdk...@googlemail.com wrote: If Google announced to drop further support for the mail API, that would be fine, because developers can make an informed decision then. I'm mostly interested in DKIM, which has the potential to really improve reliability and seems (from my basic understanding) almost trivial to implement. Why? It's already set up when you register a domain through Google Apps. Google adds DKIM headers automatically to all emails send from the Google Mail interface. So all that's missing is an additional dkim parameter which automatically adds those headers when sending through App Engine. It might even be possible for developers to calculate and add those headers themselves, if Google adds DKIM-Signature to allowed headers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: What happened to the promised reliability improvement for email delivery?
Assume #3. Use a different email provider. There are countless to choose from. Jeff On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:02 PM, pdknsk pdk...@googlemail.com wrote: I'd really appreciate a response from a Googler, as to what the plan is. I know Google doesn't give ETAs for new features, but just a general response will do, like so. We will improve email delivery reliability soon. We will improve email delivery reliability at some point, but not soon. We have no plans to improve email delivery reliability. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: What happened to the promised reliability improvement for email delivery?
Can you recommend one? What about : http://mailchimp.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/q9X9UQyODXgJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: What happened to the promised reliability improvement for email delivery?
SES, Dynect email, many others to choose from. On 11 November 2011 07:36, JH ja...@mhztech.com wrote: I've had a lot of success with Amazon SES. I switched when I noticed a lot of GAE email being flagged as spam and google employees on this very group said they really do intend to become a mass email platform. I have an extremely high deliverability rate with SES. On Nov 10, 1:45 pm, voscausa robert@gmail.com wrote: Can you recommend one? What about : http://mailchimp.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: What happened to the promised reliability improvement for email delivery?
+1; would be great to see something in the upcoming 1.6.1 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Daniel danielkra...@gmail.com wrote: +1 On Nov 8, 11:37 am, pdknsk pdk...@googlemail.com wrote: Google announced this in May. We have added a few restrictions to the Mail API to improve the reliability and reputation of the service for all applications. First, emails must be sent from email accounts managed by Google (either Gmail, or a domain signed up for Google Apps). Second, we致e reduced the number of free recipients per day from 2000 to 100 for newly created applications. Both of these will help ensure mail from your application arrives at the destination reliably. http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2011/05/app-engine-150-release.html Well, it doesn't seem to have made a difference because many mails to specific providers are still not delivered reliably, as has been documented multiple times in this group and elsewhere. Another complaint about it was posted today. I had really hoped Google would have DKIM in place for new billing to improve reliability. http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=3161 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Re: What happened to the promised reliability improvement for email delivery?
Yes, please! http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=3161 and http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=1800 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/JIMJ5GNXUd8J. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
