Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
* Markus Neteler [2018-12-18 21:54:48 +0100]: Proposal: Web site update For years we have a CMS with a style which does not really support mobile devices. Furthermore, it looks a bit old fashioned etc. Nicolas Boson (who has ample experience in creating OSGeo related Web sites and recently the symbol set etc) offers to redesign the site. In our offlist discussion we came up with the idea to switch to markdown etc. This could all be discussed in a separate email thread. I am not a PSC member, yet if you allow me, this is great news. A flat file CMS and Markdown (and, there will be for sure some integrated web-editor with edit and preview panes) should make things easy for occasional contributors too. Markdown is easy to learn in my view. I've tried Grav and Hugo myself last year(s). Installation is a matter of few minutes. Using existing themes and publishing material is straight forward. Maybe you should consider the option to go with some existing theme, which is known and supported. Tweaking themes at some extent without retouching any CSS is also possible. And sometimes, it is enough to give a kind of unique character to a website. Creating yet another new and custom CSS would eventually lead to problems of lack of time for maintaining. I think this is the right way to go and it will decrease vastly the amount of time and effort and money required to run a decent web-site. Just my thoughts, Nikos ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
>Vero wrote a nice motivation: > >https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Website_migration_plan_2019#Why_a_new_Website thanks to Vero for the very nice motivation letter. - best regards Helmut -- Sent from: http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/GRASS-PSC-f4051248.html ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 9:06 PM Markus Neteler wrote: > On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 2:50 PM Helena Mitasova wrote: > > > > Please, prepare the budget for as much as we really need ($9000) with solid > > explanation and a committment to do fundraising for the website. > > Working on it with Vero. Vero wrote a nice motivation: https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Website_migration_plan_2019#Why_a_new_Website All submitted. Markus ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
Hi, ne 20. 1. 2019 v 21:50 odesílatel Moritz Lennert napsal: > > PS: Martin, Moritz: what were the bank fees? Pls add to our budget. > > There should normally not be any bank fees. same experience here. Ma -- Martin Landa http://geo.fsv.cvut.cz/gwiki/Landa http://gismentors.cz/mentors/landa ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
Hi Markus, ne 20. 1. 2019 v 22:22 odesílatel Markus Neteler napsal: > > > The request to the board still has to be written, I suppose (can do > > > that later tonight). > > > > Great thanks ! I am busy writing a research proposal tonight, so can't > > really help. great, thanks to all, Ma -- Martin Landa http://geo.fsv.cvut.cz/gwiki/Landa http://gismentors.cz/mentors/landa ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 9:50 PM Moritz Lennert wrote: > On 20/01/19 21:06, Markus Neteler wrote: ... > > The request to the board still has to be written, I suppose (can do > > that later tonight). > > Great thanks ! I am busy writing a research proposal tonight, so can't > really help. Done! Markus -- Forwarded message - From: Markus Neteler Date: Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 10:21 PM Subject: GRASS GIS budget 2019 To: OSGeo-Board Board, On behalf of the GRASS GIS project, I would like to request a budget of 9,000 USD for 2019. We have outlined the details of the budget at https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019 Most importantly, we want to redesign the Web site from scratch as the current CMSMS is without responsive design and hard to maintain. After initial attempts with Wordpress (thanks, Regina!) we consider a static website design with a git-flavored management. Then finally more contributors could help to maintain it in the years to come. Find details at https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Website_migration_plan_2019#Why_a_new_Website Beyond that we plan to give travel grants for community sprints as we did in the past (a dedicated sprint is planned in late spring or early summer - northern hemisphere) besides promotional materials such as stickers, flyers and t-shirts. We also plan to carry out a fundraising campaign in 2019 to better fund the project and especially the website redesign. This is in discussion in the GRASS PSC. We quite hope that the OSGeo board is willing support our plans! Best regards, Markus ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On 20/01/19 21:06, Markus Neteler wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 2:50 PM Helena Mitasova wrote: Please, prepare the budget for as much as we really need ($9000) with solid explanation and a committment to do fundraising for the website. Working on it with Vero. Important: we request 9000 USD - note that our https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019 is in EUR! As of today, that would be 10.235 USD. Since we plan a fundraising campaign (any volunteer to lead that?) we can hopefully fill the delta. I would be willing to be part of a team for this, but rather not alone because of the load at work for the moment. Should we include our fundraising target as part of the 2019 budget ? This budget request is just to allocate money in the osgeo budget and see what the needs are - no money is distributed at this time so we will get some feedback on what can be funded. The board budget discussion is on Monday so it would be good to submit the request asap. It is now updated in the OSGeo wiki: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2019#OSGeo_Projects The request to the board still has to be written, I suppose (can do that later tonight). Great thanks ! I am busy writing a research proposal tonight, so can't really help. PS: Martin, Moritz: what were the bank fees? Pls add to our budget. There should normally not be any bank fees. Moritz ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 2:50 PM Helena Mitasova wrote: > > Please, prepare the budget for as much as we really need ($9000) with solid > explanation and a committment to do fundraising for the website. Working on it with Vero. Important: we request 9000 USD - note that our https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019 is in EUR! As of today, that would be 10.235 USD. Since we plan a fundraising campaign (any volunteer to lead that?) we can hopefully fill the delta. > This budget request is just to allocate money in the osgeo budget and see > what the needs are - no money is distributed at this time so we will get some > feedback on what can be funded. The board budget discussion is on Monday so > it would be good to submit the request asap. It is now updated in the OSGeo wiki: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2019#OSGeo_Projects The request to the board still has to be written, I suppose (can do that later tonight). Markus PS: Martin, Moritz: what were the bank fees? Pls add to our budget. ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
Please, prepare the budget for as much as we really need ($9000) with solid explanation and a committment to do fundraising for the website. This budget request is just to allocate money in the osgeo budget and see what the needs are - no money is distributed at this time so we will get some feedback on what can be funded. The board budget discussion is on Monday so it would be good to submit the request asap. Helena > On Jan 17, 2019, at 5:44 AM, Veronica Andreo wrote: > > Hi :) > > El jue., 17 ene. 2019 7:25, Martin Landa escribió: > Hi, > > čt 17. 1. 2019 v 10:51 odesílatel Moritz Lennert > napsal: > > https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019#Planned_Expenses > > two notes: > > 1) GRASS GIS Community Sprint FOSS4G Bucarest 2019 (extension of the > OSGeo Code Sprint) > > This year OSGeo Code Sprint is located in U.S. I would remove text in > brackets. > > 2) Would be nice to plan our own Code Sprint in Spring/Autumn. Berlin > has been discussed several times as good place. > > > That would mean we should ask for about 7000€ from OSGeo. If they give > > us less, then we will have to raise more... ;-) > > 7e3 seems to be reasonable (since we want to redo website). I would > even ask for more, we don't have so strong donation program as QGIS > has. > > I would also ask more, i.e., at least 8000 euro. > > IIUC, QGIS is asking a total of 11000 euro, including their developers and > users conf... So, why not? Whatever extra we might get from donations can be > used for financing code sprints, travels or support bug fixing or development > of new features > > Cheers, > Vero > ___ > grass-psc mailing list > grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc Helena Mitasova Professor at the Department of Marine, Earth, and Atmospheric Sciences Associate director and faculty fellow at the Center for Geospatial Analytics North Carolina State University Raleigh, NC 27695-8208 hmit...@ncsu.edu "All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.” ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
Hi :) El jue., 17 ene. 2019 7:25, Martin Landa escribió: > Hi, > > čt 17. 1. 2019 v 10:51 odesílatel Moritz Lennert > napsal: > > https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019#Planned_Expenses > > two notes: > > 1) GRASS GIS Community Sprint FOSS4G Bucarest 2019 (extension of the > OSGeo Code Sprint) > > This year OSGeo Code Sprint is located in U.S. I would remove text in > brackets. > > 2) Would be nice to plan our own Code Sprint in Spring/Autumn. Berlin > has been discussed several times as good place. > > > That would mean we should ask for about 7000€ from OSGeo. If they give > > us less, then we will have to raise more... ;-) > > 7e3 seems to be reasonable (since we want to redo website). I would > even ask for more, we don't have so strong donation program as QGIS > has. > I would also ask more, i.e., at least 8000 euro. IIUC, QGIS is asking a total of 11000 euro, including their developers and users conf... So, why not? Whatever extra we might get from donations can be used for financing code sprints, travels or support bug fixing or development of new features Cheers, Vero ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
Hi, čt 17. 1. 2019 v 10:51 odesílatel Moritz Lennert napsal: https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019#Planned_Expenses two notes: 1) GRASS GIS Community Sprint FOSS4G Bucarest 2019 (extension of the OSGeo Code Sprint) This year OSGeo Code Sprint is located in U.S. I would remove text in brackets. 2) Would be nice to plan our own Code Sprint in Spring/Autumn. Berlin has been discussed several times as good place. > That would mean we should ask for about 7000€ from OSGeo. If they give > us less, then we will have to raise more... ;-) 7e3 seems to be reasonable (since we want to redo website). I would even ask for more, we don't have so strong donation program as QGIS has. Ma -- ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On 17/01/19 10:09, Markus Neteler wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 10:18 AM Moritz Lennert wrote: On 13/01/19 23:54, Martin Landa wrote: ... Moritz, please check, feel free to correct. I've added to [1] the small amount that is unaccounted for in order to get as surplus from 2018 in [2] the exact amount on the bank account. So to my best knowledge we now have correct accounts. Excellent, thanks! [1] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2018#Expenses [2] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019#Income The next question is - how much to budget to ask OSGeo? Deadline is close - how much to aim to get through donations? For this we should start a campaign then. I would believe it to be realistic that we should be able to get at least 2000€ in donations through a targeted campaign. But this is obviously just some intuitive wild guessing. That would mean we should ask for about 7000€ from OSGeo. If they give us less, then we will have to raise more... ;-) Moritz ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 10:09 AM Markus Neteler wrote: ... > [1] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2018#Expenses > [2] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019#Income > > The next question is > - how much to budget to ask OSGeo? Deadline is close > - how much to aim to get through donations? For this we should start a > campaign then. Here you see what the other projects request: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2019#OSGeo_Projects (e.g. QGIS 8000 USD) Markus ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 10:18 AM Moritz Lennert wrote: > On 13/01/19 23:54, Martin Landa wrote: ... > > Moritz, please check, feel free to correct. > > I've added to [1] the small amount that is unaccounted for in order to > get as surplus from 2018 in [2] the exact amount on the bank account. > > So to my best knowledge we now have correct accounts. Excellent, thanks! [1] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2018#Expenses [2] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019#Income The next question is - how much to budget to ask OSGeo? Deadline is close - how much to aim to get through donations? For this we should start a campaign then. Markus ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On 13/01/19 23:54, Martin Landa wrote: Hi, ne 13. 1. 2019 v 23:28 odesílatel Markus Neteler napsal: 3630.74€ - 2838.28€ = 792,46€ I was not reimbursed either, but instead donated that for beers next time :) (IIRC, was something like 90 euros or so from train tickets) if I count well Bonn: 2732.28 -99.70->2632.58 ([1] updated) This actually reduces our accounting error to about 5€ (negative now, i.e. 5 € are not accounted for), which is probably an acceptable error rate. 3630.74 -(2632.58+106) -> 892.16 left. On the bank account we have 887,46€, so either some reimbursements I took liberty to updated also [2]. Moritz, please check, feel free to correct. I've added to [1] the small amount that is unaccounted for in order to get as surplus from 2018 in [2] the exact amount on the bank account. So to my best knowledge we now have correct accounts. Moritz Thanks, Martin [1] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2018#Expenses [2] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019#Income ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
Hi, ne 13. 1. 2019 v 23:28 odesílatel Markus Neteler napsal: > > >>> 3630.74€ - 2838.28€ = 792,46€ > > >> I was not reimbursed either, but instead donated that for beers next > > >> time :) > > >> (IIRC, was something like 90 euros or so from train tickets) if I count well Bonn: 2732.28 -99.70->2632.58 ([1] updated) > > This actually reduces our accounting error to about 5€ (negative now, > > i.e. 5 € are not accounted for), which is probably an acceptable error rate. 3630.74 -(2632.58+106) -> 892.16 > >>> left. On the bank account we have 887,46€, so either some reimbursements I took liberty to updated also [2]. Moritz, please check, feel free to correct. Thanks, Martin [1] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2018#Expenses [2] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019#Income -- Martin Landa http://geo.fsv.cvut.cz/gwiki/Landa http://gismentors.cz/mentors/landa ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
Hi Moritz and Martin, On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 10:46 AM Moritz Lennert wrote: > On 6/01/19 12:19, Markus Neteler wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 4:36 PM Veronica Andreo wrote: > >> Moritz Lennert wrote: > >>> Well, I don't think the actual amount spent for travel grants was > >>> > >>> 2957.28€, as IIRC, Nikos never claimed his 225.00€, so total expenses > >>> would be 2838.28€, and so we should have > >>> > >>> 3630.74€ - 2838.28€ = 792,46€ > >>> > >>> left. On the bank account we have 887,46€, so either some reimbursements > >>> still need to happen (but I'm not aware of any), or there is some error > >>> in the calculations somewhere. > >> > >> I was not reimbursed either, but instead donated that for beers next time > >> :) > >> (IIRC, was something like 90 euros or so from train tickets) > > > > Thanks - we should keep track of that as well! > > This actually reduces our accounting error to about 5€ (negative now, > i.e. 5 € are not accounted for), which is probably an acceptable error rate. May I ask you to update soon-ish for the correct surplus amount of 2018: https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019 ? We need to move on and report our wishes to the OSGeo board asap. thanks, Markus ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:49 AM Margherita Di Leo wrote: > On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 10:35 PM Markus Neteler wrote: ... >> Done: our nextcloud space is up and running. All PSC members should >> now have received an invitation email. >> The login credentials are the usual OSGeo LDAP credentials. >> >> It seems that also "Nextcloud Collabora" is installed (didn't try that yet). >> > Cool! Thanks a lot Markus. Any plans of using also the calendar and other > tools available (announcement etc) > for optimizing PSC work, for example deadline to define budget, release > planning, community sprints ant > other milestones? I'm quite in favour! Markus ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 9:58 AM Moritz Lennert wrote: > On 8/01/19 22:35, Markus Neteler wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 7:39 AM Markus Neteler wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:29 AM Markus Neteler wrote: > >> ... > >>> OSGeo-SAC has recently setup > >>> https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/ ... > Great, thanks a lot ! > > However, I don't see an invitation mail. I have sent it (again? sorry if I have missed it before). Markus ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
Hi, On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 10:35 PM Markus Neteler wrote: > On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 7:39 AM Markus Neteler wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:29 AM Markus Neteler > wrote: > > ... > > > OSGeo-SAC has recently setup > > > https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/ > > > > > > which would be an ideal place to maintain the budget. > > > I could suggest to add the Collabora extention > > > (https://nextcloud.com/collaboraonline/) for shared document editing, > > > then we would be settled. > > > > FYI - https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2236 > > Done: our nextcloud space is up and running. All PSC members should > now have received an invitation email. > The login credentials are the usual OSGeo LDAP credentials. > > It seems that also "Nextcloud Collabora" is installed (didn't try that > yet). > > Cool! Thanks a lot Markus. Any plans of using also the calendar and other tools available (announcement etc) for optimizing PSC work, for example deadline to define budget, release planning, community sprints ant other milestones? Regards, -- Margherita Di Leo ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On 8/01/19 22:35, Markus Neteler wrote: On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 7:39 AM Markus Neteler wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:29 AM Markus Neteler wrote: ... OSGeo-SAC has recently setup https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/ which would be an ideal place to maintain the budget. I could suggest to add the Collabora extention (https://nextcloud.com/collaboraonline/) for shared document editing, then we would be settled. FYI - https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2236 Done: our nextcloud space is up and running. All PSC members should now have received an invitation email. The login credentials are the usual OSGeo LDAP credentials. It seems that also "Nextcloud Collabora" is installed (didn't try that yet). Great, thanks a lot ! However, I don't see an invitation mail. Moritz ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 7:39 AM Markus Neteler wrote: > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:29 AM Markus Neteler wrote: > ... > > OSGeo-SAC has recently setup > > https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/ > > > > which would be an ideal place to maintain the budget. > > I could suggest to add the Collabora extention > > (https://nextcloud.com/collaboraonline/) for shared document editing, > > then we would be settled. > > FYI - https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2236 Done: our nextcloud space is up and running. All PSC members should now have received an invitation email. The login credentials are the usual OSGeo LDAP credentials. It seems that also "Nextcloud Collabora" is installed (didn't try that yet). cheers, Markus ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:29 AM Markus Neteler wrote: ... > OSGeo-SAC has recently setup > https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/ > > which would be an ideal place to maintain the budget. > I could suggest to add the Collabora extention > (https://nextcloud.com/collaboraonline/) for shared document editing, > then we would be settled. FYI - https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2236 Markus ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 10:49 AM Moritz Lennert wrote: > On 5/01/19 15:26, Markus Neteler wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 6:06 PM Martin Landa wrote: > >> pá 4. 1. 2019 v 17:51 odesílatel Moritz Lennert > >> napsal: > >>> I would suggest something very simple such as: > >>> > >>> https://lite.framacalc.org/rtaam2nzg3 > >>> > >>> where we just note all income as positive and expenditures as negative > >>> numbers to get automatic balance. > >> > >> Nice :-) Martin > > > > Looks nice but how to protect from random vandalism? > > > > Yes, this is only for proof-of-concept. If we want a publicly available, > but read-only spreadsheet we will have to go to a provider offering a > password-protected solution. yes, ok. > The other option would be to see with OSGeo whether the provision of > some only accounting software within the OSGeo infrastructure would be > worth the effort, now that more projects are into the money-raising > business and OSGeo distributes funds to projects systematically. Sounds > like a perfect use-case of shared ressources within an umbrella > organisation to me. OSGeo-SAC has recently setup https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/ which would be an ideal place to maintain the budget. I could suggest to add the Collabora extention (https://nextcloud.com/collaboraonline/) for shared document editing, then we would be settled. Markus ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On 5/01/19 15:26, Markus Neteler wrote: Hi, On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 6:06 PM Martin Landa wrote: pá 4. 1. 2019 v 17:51 odesílatel Moritz Lennert napsal: I would suggest something very simple such as: https://lite.framacalc.org/rtaam2nzg3 where we just note all income as positive and expenditures as negative numbers to get automatic balance. Nice :-) Martin Looks nice but how to protect from random vandalism? Yes, this is only for proof-of-concept. If we want a publicly available, but read-only spreadsheet we will have to go to a provider offering a password-protected solution. The other option would be to see with OSGeo whether the provision of some only accounting software within the OSGeo infrastructure would be worth the effort, now that more projects are into the money-raising business and OSGeo distributes funds to projects systematically. Sounds like a perfect use-case of shared ressources within an umbrella organisation to me. Moritz ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On 6/01/19 12:19, Markus Neteler wrote: (I have taken liberty to re-copy your answer into the original thread - @vero: through enabling "mime digest" in your list settings you should get the emails in a better way) On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 4:36 PM Veronica Andreo wrote: Hi [...] Well, I don't think the actual amount spent for travel grants was 2957.28€, as IIRC, Nikos never claimed his 225.00€, so total expenses would be 2838.28€, and so we should have 3630.74€ - 2838.28€ = 792,46€ left. On the bank account we have 887,46€, so either some reimbursements still need to happen (but I'm not aware of any), or there is some error in the calculations somewhere. I was not reimbursed either, but instead donated that for beers next time :) (IIRC, was something like 90 euros or so from train tickets) Thanks - we should keep track of that as well! This actually reduces our accounting error to about 5€ (negative now, i.e. 5 € are not accounted for), which is probably an acceptable error rate. Moritz ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
The request for project budget from the board will be sent out to the projects within a day or two, so let us wait and then we can submit our request. The wiki is ready https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2019 there are just few things discussed regarding the wording of the request from the board. In terms of the request for the website update - that will indeed go quite above what the projects usually ask for so it will have a better chance to be approved if we include some fundraising effort looking for sponsors on our side. Helena > On Jan 6, 2019, at 6:19 AM, Markus Neteler wrote: > > (I have taken liberty to re-copy your answer into the original thread > - @vero: through enabling "mime digest" in your list settings you > should get the emails in a better way) > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 4:36 PM Veronica Andreo wrote: >> Hi >> >> [...] >>> >>> Well, I don't think the actual amount spent for travel grants was >>> >>> 2957.28€, as IIRC, Nikos never claimed his 225.00€, so total expenses >>> would be 2838.28€, and so we should have >>> >>> 3630.74€ - 2838.28€ = 792,46€ >>> >>> left. On the bank account we have 887,46€, so either some reimbursements >>> still need to happen (but I'm not aware of any), or there is some error >>> in the calculations somewhere. >> >> >> I was not reimbursed either, but instead donated that for beers next time :) >> (IIRC, was something like 90 euros or so from train tickets) > > Thanks - we should keep track of that as well! > >> [...] > ... >> When can we submit/apply for the 2019 budget then?? I really wish to see a >> new GRASS website this year! :) > > I think we can apply any time by proposing a structured budget. > > Markus > ___ > grass-psc mailing list > grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc Helena Mitasova Professor at the Department of Marine, Earth, and Atmospheric Sciences Associate director and faculty fellow at the Center for Geospatial Analytics North Carolina State University Raleigh, NC 27695-8208 hmit...@ncsu.edu "All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.” ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
(I have taken liberty to re-copy your answer into the original thread - @vero: through enabling "mime digest" in your list settings you should get the emails in a better way) On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 4:36 PM Veronica Andreo wrote: > Hi > > [...] >> >> Well, I don't think the actual amount spent for travel grants was >> >> 2957.28€, as IIRC, Nikos never claimed his 225.00€, so total expenses >> would be 2838.28€, and so we should have >> >> 3630.74€ - 2838.28€ = 792,46€ >> >> left. On the bank account we have 887,46€, so either some reimbursements >> still need to happen (but I'm not aware of any), or there is some error >> in the calculations somewhere. > > > I was not reimbursed either, but instead donated that for beers next time :) > (IIRC, was something like 90 euros or so from train tickets) Thanks - we should keep track of that as well! > [...] ... > When can we submit/apply for the 2019 budget then?? I really wish to see a > new GRASS website this year! :) I think we can apply any time by proposing a structured budget. Markus ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
Hi, On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 6:06 PM Martin Landa wrote: > pá 4. 1. 2019 v 17:51 odesílatel Moritz Lennert > napsal: > > Well, I don't think the actual amount spent for travel grants was > > 2957.28€, as IIRC, Nikos never claimed his 225.00€, so total expenses > > would be 2838.28€, and so we should have > > you are right (about Nikos), so 2957.28 - 225 -> 2732.28 (wiki updated) > > > 3630.74€ - 2838.28€ = 792,46€ > > 3630.74 - 2732.28 - 106 -> 792.46 > > double checked :-) > > > left. On the bank account we have 887,46€, so either some reimbursements > > still need to happen (but I'm not aware of any), or there is some error > > in the calculations somewhere. > > yes, but better than negative balance. Let's keep it as donation from > "unknown error". Might that be some USD <--> EUR confusion? > > I would suggest something very simple such as: > > > > https://lite.framacalc.org/rtaam2nzg3 > > > > where we just note all income as positive and expenditures as negative > > numbers to get automatic balance. > > Nice :-) Martin Looks nice but how to protect from random vandalism? Markus ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
Hi, pá 4. 1. 2019 v 17:51 odesílatel Moritz Lennert napsal: > Well, I don't think the actual amount spent for travel grants was > 2957.28€, as IIRC, Nikos never claimed his 225.00€, so total expenses > would be 2838.28€, and so we should have you are right (about Nikos), so 2957.28 - 225 -> 2732.28 (wiki updated) > 3630.74€ - 2838.28€ = 792,46€ 3630.74 - 2732.28 - 106 -> 792.46 double checked :-) > left. On the bank account we have 887,46€, so either some reimbursements > still need to happen (but I'm not aware of any), or there is some error > in the calculations somewhere. yes, but better than negative balance. Let's keep it as donation from "unknown error". > I would suggest something very simple such as: > > https://lite.framacalc.org/rtaam2nzg3 > > where we just note all income as positive and expenditures as negative > numbers to get automatic balance. Nice :-) Martin -- Martin Landa http://geo.fsv.cvut.cz/gwiki/Landa http://gismentors.cz/mentors/landa ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On 4/01/19 17:22, Martin Landa wrote: Hi, pá 4. 1. 2019 v 16:25 odesílatel Moritz Lennert napsal: As the 1592.85€ were not put onto the current bank account, I suppose that they have been spent completely, but I don't know. Where was this money located "physically", only in Martin's bank account, or is there some money somewhere else, maybe in the US ? money have been located at my Fio bank account and my PayPal account. Fio bank account has been canceled and my PayPal account is currently on zero. The current bank account's only income were 2000€ Euro apparently received from OSGeo. In the Sprint 2018 account's [1] I see that a bit over 2700€ were supposed to be reimbursed (IIRC, Nikos did not claim reimbursement), so we did spend more than we received for this sprint. Based on [1] and [2,3]: 3630.74 - 3063.28 = 567.46 Or I am wrong? Well, I don't think the actual amount spent for travel grants was 2957.28€, as IIRC, Nikos never claimed his 225.00€, so total expenses would be 2838.28€, and so we should have 3630.74€ - 2838.28€ = 792,46€ left. On the bank account we have 887,46€, so either some reimbursements still need to happen (but I'm not aware of any), or there is some error in the calculations somewhere. I think we probably need some more structured general accounting, not only ad-hoc for different events, and not only on the wiki. At least I completely agree. I would suggest something very simple such as: https://lite.framacalc.org/rtaam2nzg3 where we just note all income as positive and expenditures as negative numbers to get automatic balance. Moritz ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
Hi, pá 4. 1. 2019 v 16:25 odesílatel Moritz Lennert napsal: > As the 1592.85€ were not put onto the current bank account, I suppose > that they have been spent completely, but I don't know. Where was this > money located "physically", only in Martin's bank account, or is there > some money somewhere else, maybe in the US ? money have been located at my Fio bank account and my PayPal account. Fio bank account has been canceled and my PayPal account is currently on zero. > The current bank account's only income were 2000€ Euro apparently > received from OSGeo. In the Sprint 2018 account's [1] I see that a bit > over 2700€ were supposed to be reimbursed (IIRC, Nikos did not claim > reimbursement), so we did spend more than we received for this sprint. Based on [1] and [2,3]: 3630.74 - 3063.28 = 567.46 Or I am wrong? > I think we probably need some more structured general accounting, not > only ad-hoc for different events, and not only on the wiki. At least I completely agree. > some spreadsheet listing income and spending. Or does this already exist > somewhere ? Unfortunately not. Martin [1] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2018#Income [2] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2018#Expenses [3] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BgFMiYlLosFjsVUlUCWwssoxiQB_G7gpkVFgG29gZBM/edit#gid=607358029 -- Martin Landa http://geo.fsv.cvut.cz/gwiki/Landa http://gismentors.cz/mentors/landa ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On 19/12/18 15:07, Moritz Lennert wrote: On 18/12/18 21:54, Markus Neteler wrote: Hi PSC, I have drafted a new Wiki page at https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019 ... to be done in the Wiki page: - what is the surplus of 2018? (Martin or Moritz?) - please add The current amount in the bank account is 1159,61€, but I think Martin has never been reimbursed for the 2018 Sprint as I never received the bank account info. After having reimbursed Martin, the current amount in the bank account is 887,46. I don't know if the amount on the bank account is to be considered a "surplus". For that we would need the detailed accounts of 2018, not only the planned expenses as currently in [1]. Looking at what we had left at the end of 2017 (1592,85€ according to [1]), this would mean that we actually have a negative balance of 1159,61€ - 1592,85€ = −433,24€, if what is on the bank account is all that is left (i.e. no other sums lying somewhere else). As the 1592.85€ were not put onto the current bank account, I suppose that they have been spent completely, but I don't know. Where was this money located "physically", only in Martin's bank account, or is there some money somewhere else, maybe in the US ? The current bank account's only income were 2000€ Euro apparently received from OSGeo. In the Sprint 2018 account's [1] I see that a bit over 2700€ were supposed to be reimbursed (IIRC, Nikos did not claim reimbursement), so we did spend more than we received for this sprint. I think we probably need some more structured general accounting, not only ad-hoc for different events, and not only on the wiki. At least some spreadsheet listing income and spending. Or does this already exist somewhere ? Moritz [1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BgFMiYlLosFjsVUlUCWwssoxiQB_G7gpkVFgG29gZBM/edit#gid=607358029 ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 3:21 PM Moritz Lennert wrote: > Am 22. Dezember 2018 14:56:11 MEZ schrieb Markus Neteler : > >Am Mi., 19. Dez. 2018, 15:07 hat Moritz Lennert > >> On 18/12/18 21:54, Markus Neteler wrote: > >> > Hi PSC, > >> > > >> > I have drafted a new Wiki page at > >> > https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019 [...] > Is the website update eligible for support from OSGeo ? IMHO yes. It is an outreach activity and needed to promote OSGeo. GRASS GIS is also a co-founding project of the foundation itself. > >> > Proposal: Web site update [...] > >The sum roughly estimated by him I have put into the wiki. > > Looks like a community fundraising might be necessary. Or first ask OSGeo - the foundation's budget is not that bad :-) Of course we (who volunteers?) can additionally run a community fundraising campaign. Markus ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
Am 22. Dezember 2018 14:56:11 MEZ schrieb Markus Neteler : >Hi, > >Am Mi., 19. Dez. 2018, 15:07 hat Moritz Lennert < >mlenn...@club.worldonline.be> geschrieben: > >> On 18/12/18 21:54, Markus Neteler wrote: >> > Hi PSC, >> > >> > I have drafted a new Wiki page at >> > https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019 >> > >> > ... to be done in the Wiki page: >> > - what is the surplus of 2018? (Martin or Moritz?) - please add >> >> The current amount in the bank account is 1159,61€, but I think >Martin >> has never been reimbursed for the 2018 Sprint as I never received the >> bank account info. >> > >Ouch? >I guess I have it somewhere. Already handled by PM between the two of us. > >I don't know if the amount on the bank account is to be considered a >> "surplus". For that we would need the detailed accounts of 2018, not >> only the planned expenses as currently in [1]. >> > >@Martin: could you let us know please? > > > >Looking at what we had left at the end of 2017 (1592,85€ according to >> >[1]), this would mean that we actually have a negative balance of >> 1159,61€ - 1592,85€ = −433,24€, if what is on the bank account is all >> that is left (i.e. no other sums lying somewhere else). >> > > >Mhh, that's surprising. I was convinced so far that we do not have >debits. >We requested budget support by OSGeo to avoid any debits. > > >> - since 2016, we have some offlist we-need-a-new-web-site discussion >> > (see below), some figure added >> > - decide about community sprint in Bucarest at FOSS4G (a no-brainer >I >> think :-) >> > - decide about other sprints throughout the year >> >> I think a second sprint somewhere in February/March would be nice. Is >> there a general OSGeo Sprint planned again ? > > >I'm not yet informed but if not I'll suggest it :) https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Community_Sprint_2019 > > >If the information in the >> "Planned expenses" table in [1] is correct, we should probably aim at >> something like 2500-3000€ if this is possible. >> > >I guess even more is possible. Is the website update eligible for support from OSGeo ? > > > >> > - your ideas >> > >> > >> > Proposal: Web site update >> > >> > For years we have a CMS with a style which does not really support >> > mobile devices. Furthermore, it looks a bit old fashioned etc. >> > >> > Nicolas Boson (who has ample experience in creating OSGeo related >Web >> > sites and recently the symbol set etc) offers to redesign the site. >> > In our offlist discussion we came up with the idea to switch to >> > markdown etc. This could all be discussed in a separate email >thread. >> >> Sounds good. Is he willing to do this for free or should we try to >raise >> some money in the community to finance this ? >> > >He's not willing to do this for free. >The sum roughly estimated by him I have put into the wiki. Looks like a community fundraising might be necessary. Moritz ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
Hi, Am Mi., 19. Dez. 2018, 15:07 hat Moritz Lennert < mlenn...@club.worldonline.be> geschrieben: > On 18/12/18 21:54, Markus Neteler wrote: > > Hi PSC, > > > > I have drafted a new Wiki page at > > https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019 > > > > ... to be done in the Wiki page: > > - what is the surplus of 2018? (Martin or Moritz?) - please add > > The current amount in the bank account is 1159,61€, but I think Martin > has never been reimbursed for the 2018 Sprint as I never received the > bank account info. > Ouch? I guess I have it somewhere. I don't know if the amount on the bank account is to be considered a > "surplus". For that we would need the detailed accounts of 2018, not > only the planned expenses as currently in [1]. > @Martin: could you let us know please? Looking at what we had left at the end of 2017 (1592,85€ according to > [1]), this would mean that we actually have a negative balance of > 1159,61€ - 1592,85€ = −433,24€, if what is on the bank account is all > that is left (i.e. no other sums lying somewhere else). > Mhh, that's surprising. I was convinced so far that we do not have debits. We requested budget support by OSGeo to avoid any debits. > - since 2016, we have some offlist we-need-a-new-web-site discussion > > (see below), some figure added > > - decide about community sprint in Bucarest at FOSS4G (a no-brainer I > think :-) > > - decide about other sprints throughout the year > > I think a second sprint somewhere in February/March would be nice. Is > there a general OSGeo Sprint planned again ? I'm not yet informed but if not I'll suggest it :) If the information in the > "Planned expenses" table in [1] is correct, we should probably aim at > something like 2500-3000€ if this is possible. > I guess even more is possible. > > - your ideas > > > > > > Proposal: Web site update > > > > For years we have a CMS with a style which does not really support > > mobile devices. Furthermore, it looks a bit old fashioned etc. > > > > Nicolas Boson (who has ample experience in creating OSGeo related Web > > sites and recently the symbol set etc) offers to redesign the site. > > In our offlist discussion we came up with the idea to switch to > > markdown etc. This could all be discussed in a separate email thread. > > Sounds good. Is he willing to do this for free or should we try to raise > some money in the community to finance this ? > He's not willing to do this for free. The sum roughly estimated by him I have put into the wiki. > Overall, time to prepare the budget. We may ask OSGeo for financial > > support here. > > I think the main support would be for travelling costs to sprints. > ... IMHO as well as the web site. Markus Moritz > > > [1] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2018. > > ___ > grass-psc mailing list > grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Budget 2019 - draft
On 18/12/18 21:54, Markus Neteler wrote: Hi PSC, I have drafted a new Wiki page at https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019 ... to be done in the Wiki page: - what is the surplus of 2018? (Martin or Moritz?) - please add The current amount in the bank account is 1159,61€, but I think Martin has never been reimbursed for the 2018 Sprint as I never received the bank account info. I don't know if the amount on the bank account is to be considered a "surplus". For that we would need the detailed accounts of 2018, not only the planned expenses as currently in [1]. Looking at what we had left at the end of 2017 (1592,85€ according to [1]), this would mean that we actually have a negative balance of 1159,61€ - 1592,85€ = −433,24€, if what is on the bank account is all that is left (i.e. no other sums lying somewhere else). - since 2016, we have some offlist we-need-a-new-web-site discussion (see below), some figure added - decide about community sprint in Bucarest at FOSS4G (a no-brainer I think :-) - decide about other sprints throughout the year I think a second sprint somewhere in February/March would be nice. Is there a general OSGeo Sprint planned again ? If the information in the "Planned expenses" table in [1] is correct, we should probably aim at something like 2500-3000€ if this is possible. - your ideas Proposal: Web site update For years we have a CMS with a style which does not really support mobile devices. Furthermore, it looks a bit old fashioned etc. Nicolas Boson (who has ample experience in creating OSGeo related Web sites and recently the symbol set etc) offers to redesign the site. In our offlist discussion we came up with the idea to switch to markdown etc. This could all be discussed in a separate email thread. Sounds good. Is he willing to do this for free or should we try to raise some money in the community to finance this ? Overall, time to prepare the budget. We may ask OSGeo for financial support here. I think the main support would be for travelling costs to sprints. Moritz [1] https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2018. ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
