Re: Insurance for the GTS
Farmers insurance in MN - $125, full coverage with $500 deductible (but I've had cycle insurance with them since I was 16 - wow, 20 years -- without a claim). The Goldwing is about 170/year. Sven "Lanouette, Richard" wrote: Try Progressive : 393 $ full coverage. They classify the GTS as a touring bike. Richard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Morrow Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 6:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Hugh: Haybusa vs. GTS Ouch! Although it shouldn't be that big of a surprise. A couple of weeks ago down in Bakersfield, a rider was killed when he decided to pull a wheelie while going down the freeway on his Suzuki. His estimated speed at the point of raising the front tire was 110Mph. When the front wheel came up the back wheel went out from under him and down he went. I didn't here if the Suzuki was a busa, but I don't know of many bikes that can wheelie at 110Mph. Re: insurance, I found Allstate to have the best rate for my GTS. In fact they beat everyone else by a substantial amount. The GTS is the only thing I have covered by Allstate. Dave 93 GTS Fresno CA. - Original Message - From: "Hugh Hamilton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Multiple recipients of list" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Hugh: Haybusa vs. GTS The biggest drawback will be insurance with the consensus being State Farm having the best rate if you give them your auto as well. I've seen proce quotes from the $500 to in excess of $4000 for 1 year full coverage.
Re: Insurance for the GTS
Yeah... but I live in Atlanta ;^) "Crisler, Jon" wrote: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01C044E1.D8A70EF2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Location Location Location I would guess that MN is cheaper than the Wash. D.C. metro area !! Henry and I probably get hit up pretty bad compared to most riders, but through State Farm my GTS is about $370 a year for full coverage, $100 deductable, and $500,000 liability, which is the limit I have on all my vehicles. Nex to my mortgage payment, car insurance is probably my next biggest expense. --_=_NextPart_001_01C044E1.D8A70EF2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN" HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1" META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12" TITLERE: Insurance for the GTS/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=3D2Location Location Location nbsp; I would guess = that MN is cheaper than the Wash. D.C. metro area !!nbsp; Henry and I = probably get hit up pretty bad compared to most riders, but through = State Farm my GTS is about $370 a year for full coverage, $100 = deductable, and $500,000 liability, which is the limit I have on all my = vehicles./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D2Nex to my mortgage payment, car insurance is probably = my next biggest expense./FONT /P /BODY /HTML --_=_NextPart_001_01C044E1.D8A70EF2--
Parts bike
I see in traderonline that there is a guy in Vallejo, CA that is selling his bike, and a GTS "parts" bike. If you are that guy, let me know - I may want to buy some items before you sell your bike. (7 grand for 2 GTS's doesn't sound too bad) -Sven
Re: Biketoberfest...wrap up.
Kevin Herringbone wrote: I had cell problems too--glad you hooked up with Paul. I only saw one other GTS the whole time. It was @ Pup 44 in New Smyrna on Saturday Night--'93, GIVI racks and a Bagster Bra/Bag set up. Sounds like Paul K's bike. They might have seen mine 3 bikes away but it's a wierd purpleish/tealish/bronzeish sort of color now. Anyone on the list match the description??? Ola to you anyway. Maybe see you guys in March. FL Kev P.S.--it's to keep the gators in, and the dirt bikers out ;) Works for me!
Re: Biketoberfest... last call
You should come along with us and do some REAL riding. "Kevin T. Harrington" wrote: Titusville? That's where I live! You best stay out of my garden on that confounded dirt cicle o' yern... FL Kev - Original Message - From: "Steve Baglien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Multiple recipients of list" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:23 PM Subject: Biketoberfest... last call I'm headed down tomorrow afternoon from Atlanta - anybody that might becoming through, let me know and we'll ride together. If you're going to be down there, let me know and we'll hook up. I'll be in Daytona Beach Friday and Sunday and dirtbiking in Titusville on Saturday. -Sven _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Biketoberfest... last call
I'm headed down tomorrow afternoon from Atlanta - anybody that might becoming through, let me know and we'll ride together. If you're going to be down there, let me know and we'll hook up. I'll be in Daytona Beach Friday and Sunday and dirtbiking in Titusville on Saturday. -Sven
Re: Biketoberfest
I'm going Goldwing style! Where are you going to be? Kevin Harrington wrote: HEY! I assuume from the lack of activity, that all of you are coming to Biketoberfest! See you there! FL Kev __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/
Re: help: my GTS wants to shake me off!
Your front tire is bad. Depending on the tire, when they wear, they'll cup on alternating sides. At lower speeds, this will cause an oscillation - death wobble. Bottom line, buy a new front tire. If it doesn't help - you still have a spare. When you do replace it, make sure the tire is at or slightly above the recommended max pressure - it'll last longer with out cupping. Sven the Viking Roberto Alonso wrote: Hi all, Some quick answers to your remarks about my furious head shaking (my bike's, that is): In no particular order: George: I stated in my post that I wanted to keep the Wingrack 'cause I already have the three cases for it, some inherited from my late brother. Krausers are not an option, and a trailer I won't be caught dead with. They're illegal in Spain, also. I am aware that worn tires can do this (and mine are), but this is an overnight thing, it was installing the rack and wham, there goes. Nothing else has been done to the bike in the last 5000 km. Mike: Man, you sure misread one of my emails, probably due to my broken English. I have NOT modified the frame for Krausers, never had them and doubt ever will. I do have the bar connecting the two side racks from behind, and the latest Wingrack. It is featured at www.givi.it/sub_index/english/wing.html with the reference E141. Everything looks well installed. Jon: Tires are halfway gone, but so were they when I left the bike at the shop and not a problem. I've inspected the rim for damage, it all looks ok. Again, NOTHING else was done to the bike in the last month. Nicholas: As I said, I refuse to believe it's down to aerodynamics, since it will happen at as low a speed as 30 mph, and also without cases. I do not often ride with my hands off the grips, but like to be able to, for several reasons: -to close both latches on my BMW helmet chin bar at once, -to pull up a jacket zipper more easily (not easily done when crouching on the bars), -to do a quick shoulder stretch, -because the bike should ride nice and straight with your hands off, if it doesn't, something's not right. I always do this at less than 40 mph, and never had a problem, until I put a case on the rack of my XJ600, or a wingrack on my GTS. RSRBOB: As always, your answer is the most useful of them all. Man, you're a living encyclopedia. As I said, no prior work on the bike for some 5000 km (rear tire replaced then). Nothing looks out of check, rim seems fine and disc has no sign of warping. Bike is just fine unless I get my hands off the bars. Will have my new mechanics look at the steering (I'm not mechanically inclined enough for that). They are knowledgeable on Yamahas, but have no extended experience with the GTS (hey, at least they will say so and accept customer directions). Any input about what exactly should be done and checked down there? I already had them contact Givi about the matter, but it's too soon for an answer. Thanks to all for your input. I was wondering if some rubber washers would help kill vibration and help somewhat. What do you think? Roberto.
Goldwing for Sale!
1996 Blue Aspencade in Atlanta for sale - I need me a 2001. Pretty much stock with exception of integrated cornering lights and rear speakers. She's in great shape with 51,000 miles. I'm asking $10,000. BTW, thanks list... I was doing my best to ignore this bike... but no... someone had to post that 2001 Goldwing page... (same reason I avoid strip joints) -Sven
Re: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage
Not mine! Dry clutch - transmission has it's own oil and the engine oil sits in the right 1/2 of the gas tank (that is, the oil tank) "Hawkins, Kevin" wrote: Harley's have wet clutches that shear the engine the oil? Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 -Original Message- From: Crisler, Jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:23 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Synthetic Oil RE: oil usage Amsoil has addressed this concern (mostly with Harley owners) by coming out with a Motorcycle oil in 10w-40 and 20w-50 that uses friction modifiers compatible with wet clutches. I suspect that this motorcycle oil is identical to the regular Hi-PO synth 10w-40 and 20w-50 that they have always said is ideal for wet-clutch motorcycles.
Re: Here's some interesting news...
I hope after the take over they rename them "Excelsior Henderson" "Hawkins, Kevin" wrote: From the October issue of Bike: Rumors are circulating in the financial world that Honda and BMW are in danger of being bought out by larger motor companies following declines in profit at both companies. In Japan, the strong value of the Yen is forcing Honda to scrap four of its seven motorcycle production lines in an attempt to improve profitability at its manufacturing plants, which are running at a barely profitable 45 percent capacity. Worse, the car division of Honda is struggling to keep up with the technology now being adopted by larger car makers. Honda boss Hiroyuiki Yoshino is fiercely opposed to any takeover. For BMW, the fiasco of buying Rover and pouring billions into it, then being forced to give up on it, has put the company in serious financial trouble. Its controlling shareholders, the Quandt family, are thought to be ready to opt out. If that happens, Ford and VW are ready to pounce, but neither firm manufacturers motorcycles, or are likely to want to. The word is that Deutsche Bank Morgan Grenfell, which has already helped TPG turn Ducati around, and is now doing the same with Piaggio, may take a keen interest in acquiring BMW motorcycles.
Re: Goldbarge???
All I can say is that I'm not a typical Goldwing rider - I've tired to hang out with the GWRRA guys but riding from restaurant to restaurant is not my idea of fun. On the other hand, I've been riding Goldwings since I was 16 - that's 20 years now. I love my GTS, my old FZR, and my dirt bikes, and the Harley - but if I could only have one bike, it'd be my Goldwing. It may not have the motor that excites, but pumping it through twisties will make you sweat (wrong kind of sweat) - the wife loves to ride it, you can go 700 miles a day with out dying, and the bags are integrated into the design! Not to mention that in the 210,000 miles that I have put on my two Goldwings, the only major repair was a stator. Until you have one, you'll never know. BTW, the only thing I don't like about the Goldwing is styling - it was outdated - I like the new one, but I think Honda needs to go further. Sven the Viking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phil wrote: Huh?? I'm not a fan of the ST (Jay and I have already discussed this one), but I can't believe Honda would drop it. They afraid it's dipping into Goldbarge sales? Maybe it's blasphemous, but... I just put a deposit on a 2001 GoldWing GL1800A. If you haven't seen one yet, don't laugh. I swore I'd never own a GoldWing, but the new bike is a whole new story: Six cylinder, 1832cc, 118HP, 125 lb-ft, 799 lbs with ABS (optional). Sleeker, sportier new bodywork, lots of luggage space, CD changer option, aluminum frame, single sided rear swingarm, radial tires (a 180 rear!) http://www.hondamotorcycle.com/models/2001/GL1800.html This is quite a departure from the stereotypical GoldWing! The GWRRA guys (Gross Waists and Rosy Red A$$es) seem to unilaterally hate the new bike, which is good enough for me! The "chrome" factor is nearly non-existant on the new bike. Yeah, it's no YZF-R1, but in my mind it's a great compliment to the GTS. I use the GTS for canyon carving and sport riding, since a more "pure" sports bike is too uncomfortable. This is supposed to be fun, right? The GTS is fast, great handling, and still comfortable. The GL1800A is my choice for those "trans-continental" rides while still retaining a sporty feel. Heck, if it's as strong as they advertise, perhaps it'll even outrun a GTS? (Say it isn't so!) Why use a swiss army knife when you can have a whole knife set? Stephen
Re: GTS-1000 digest 533
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phil said: Because the Swiss Army knife will fit in your tank bag?? The analogy was intended to mean: Why have one bike that tries to do it all, when you can have a sporty bike AND a touring bike? It all comes down to using the right tool for the job... Exactly - or as Crosby would say, the definition of quality is fitness for use. If you look at it that way, the poor old GTS doesn't do anything particularly well (but it appeals to us techno geeks and it looks pretty)
Re: GTS-1000 digest 533
uranus wrote: At 11:48 27/09/00 -0400, you wrote: If you look at it that way, the poor old GTS doesn't do anything particularly well (but it appeals to us techno geeks and it looks pretty) It isn't terrible at anything, though, is it? Posing... can't get no respect from the posers on A1A in Daytona Beach :^) Except racing, motocross and trials which I *think* are not relevant here. But pretty? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I was smitten the first time I saw one in '93. I knew I'd have to have one. I still think it's the best looking bike I've ever seen. Not to me. Reminds me of a two-wheeled Nissan QX. A 1960s Aermacchi 350, that's pretty. Not bad, but I'm more partial to the BMW R60/2 We urban riders are pretty much restricted to one bike (one actually on the road, anyway) so it has to do everything. Why's that? You can fit 5 bikes into one parking spot!
Re: Max Speed
Shit... I don't count the GL has 6, the WL has 3. GTS has what... 5? Now I'm pissed... for $13K they only give you 5 gears, no self canceling turn signals, and a chain drive! :^) "Hawkins, Kevin" wrote: 6th gear? Cool! :^) Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 -Original Message----- From: Steve Baglien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 7:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Max Speed Just curious about this I know my GTS runs about 80 MPH in 6th gear at 5000 RMP. Red line is 10,500 RMP. Does this mean the theoretical top speed of the bike is 160 MPH or does the aerodynamic pressure build and keep the bike from getting that fast?
Re: Max Speed
OK... I was trying to save from my mis typing. WL is a 45 cubic inch Harley make from the beginning of time until the early 60's.Must be the KTM and the DR that has 6 gears :^) Louis Tweed wrote: Since when does a Goldwing have 6 speeds? And what is a WL? Louis Steve Baglien wrote: Shit... I don't count the GL has 6, the WL has 3. GTS has what... 5? Now I'm pissed... for $13K they only give you 5 gears, no self canceling turn signals, and a chain drive! :^) "Hawkins, Kevin" wrote: 6th gear? Cool! :^) Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 -Original Message- From: Steve Baglien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 7:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Max Speed Just curious about this I know my GTS runs about 80 MPH in 6th gear at 5000 RMP. Red line is 10,500 RMP. Does this mean the theoretical top speed of the bike is 160 MPH or does the aerodynamic pressure build and keep the bike from getting that fast?
Re: Max Speed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, OK, so everyone has pointed out that Steve's GTS is a one-off Yamaha Special with that 6th gear.but no one answered the question he asked. I'm special. The GTS will NOT go 160. Official tops I've seen are about 148 OH MY GOD! THIS IS A FIRST SOMEONE ACTUALLY ANSWERED A QUESTION ON THIS LIST For top speed, the ability to run to redline in TOP gear Already did - there's even a nifty little 1-2-3-4-5 thing right by the shift lever. (my XS 400 has 6) P.S. Why did you ask the list this question?? Don't you have a straight stretch of road where you can answer this one for yourself? Nope, I live in north Georgia, all our roads are twisties in fact, I though it was funny when another member of this list said his Avon's were squared off... mine are V'ed off :^)
Re: Max Speed
It was a fat finger - not reality (although, it would be nice) "S. Bodnar" wrote: Steve what's the story on the 6th gear ? I've been thinking about doing it with an FZR or YZF gearbox. In the meantime I'm doing sprocket roulette. Stan -- From: Steve Baglien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Max Speed Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 7:35 AM Just curious about this I know my GTS runs about 80 MPH in 6th gear at 5000 RMP. Red line is 10,500 RMP. Does this mean the theoretical top speed of the bike is 160 MPH or does the aerodynamic pressure build and keep the bike from getting that fast?
Re: Tires -- where to buy (a plug)
Thanks Man! I'll keep the address and buy from you guys next time. "Thomas H. Keyworth" wrote: I'm currently working on our new tire site, should be up by next week. We sell primarily Harley Aftermarket parts, but are expanding into tires for all bikes. In the meantime, e-mail me what size and type tire you're looking for and I'll get back to you w/ a price... oh, and shipping is $8 anywhere in the continental US - and we ll beat any MAW price my plug. -T == Thomas H. Keyworth http://www.keyworth.net http://www.district37ama.org http://www.jpt-promotions.com == === Wally's Cycle World Lowest Prices Guaranteed! http://www.wallyscycleworld.com === - Original Message ----- From: Steve Baglien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 6:39 AM Subject: Tires -- where to buy (a plug) I spent the past couple of day looking for the best deal on tires for the GTS and Goldwing. I found that Accessory Whorehouse had the best prices, but when I went to order, they wanted $17 per tire for shipping. These mail order places seem to play games with that (low price/high shipping cost or higher price/lower shipping). I took a look at http://www.tireexpress.com and they had the same prices as AW, but only charge $8/tire. Note: http://www.tiresunlimited.com has terrible prices on tires. -Sven the Viking (Gerogie the Greek -- I'll be ready for more comparative analysis next weekend :^)
Re: MRA Windscreens
Like I said, I have one for sale $60, you pay shipping. It's dark gray - only put about 1000 miles on the bike when it was on. Let me know off list if you want it. "Hawkins, Kevin" wrote: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01C0199D.B98F9AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well folks, so far there have only been request from 4 people for the MRA screens. I'm afraid that it won't be enough to justify an order since it would increase the price to probably $100 each. Let me know what you guys want to do, and if anyone else would like to add to the order, I need to hear from you. Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000 --_=_NextPart_001_01C0199D.B98F9AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN" HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1" META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2652.35" TITLEMRA Windscreens/TITLE /HEAD BODY PFONT SIZE=3D2Well folks, so far there have only been request from = 4 people for the MRA screens. I'm afraid that it won't be enough to = justify an order since it would increase the price to probably $100 = each. Let me know what you guys want to do, and if anyone else would = like to add to the order, I need to hear from you./FONT/P PFONT SIZE=3D2Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC /FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2[EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2A HREF=3D"http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy" = TARGET=3D"_blank"http://www.geocities.com/~raddboy/A/FONT BRFONT SIZE=3D2Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 // '93 Yamaha GTS1000/FONT /P /BODY /HTML --_=_NextPart_001_01C0199D.B98F9AD0--
The new TPS is here, the new TPS is here!!!
Success? Seems so. I installed the new TPS in my bike and have taken it for a ride. The bike accelerates much stronger than with the old TPS, and so far things are looking really good. No off idle surging, no error status 13, 15, and no cut in throttle. Even on the centerstand, I can hold very close to 5,000 rpm without +-500 rpm occelations. Thanks again to the two un-named list members that donated GTS electronic components to help diagnose the problem and to the members that gave reasonable suggestions as to what the possible failure points were. Lastly, a recommendation to use Waynesville Cycle in NC to order parts (you can find them on the net, they also advertise in Cycle). I was able to purchase the TPS for $115.25. My local dealership wanted about $175 for the same part - the service was quick and I got exactly what I needed (even came down $10 on a Suzuki DR 350 start button that I ordered at the same time -- just to beat the other mail order competition) -Sven the Viking
Re: North Vs. South (was: Re: Medic !!!!) FLUFF
Yup, but they always go back, don't they! :^) paramithas wrote: What have the Greeks done in the last 2,000 years? The Byzantine empire among other things but forget history. Lets talk about more practical matters i.e your infamous fair maidens who come to Greece, Italy Spain every summer ALONE to get...you know have some real fun. Not that we're complaining mind you but what's wrong with this picture my good looking, studdly Sven? George staying busyway to busy for another Parthenon - Original Message - From: Roberto Alonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 8:06 AM Subject: North Vs. South (was: Re: Medic ) FLUFF From: Steve Baglien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Medic Sounds good. BTW, the Vikings played a role greater than or equal to the Greeks. The Viking managed to concur europe, establish Russia and Ireland, discover Iceland, Greenland, and even North America - not to mention kidnap and keep the most beautiful women in the known world (hence we are the most beautiful people today). What has Greece done in the past 2000 years??? :^) Take heart, George. I like the yogurt greeks have made for those 2000 years, and if you think of it, them northern dudes don't look so good after roasting themselves to the flesh in just a couple days of Spanish / Greek sun. No offense, Steve, just a hard *ss trying to stir things up a bit. Roberto. ___ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: Medic !!!!
paramithas wrote: Also, did you check the sensor coming out the cat before you ordered the TPS? It could also be a culprit. last time I check my cats, they had no electronics sticking out of them. What are you talking about? Bottom line - the sensor is on order and is due to arrive. The sensor when adjusted would give the discontinuity error - I check the continuity of the power supply and the return and they were good. So, when the TPS arrives, I'm going to give it a shot to see if it clears up the problem - I've tested the bike every way I know how (on and off) for a couple of months now and am getting no closer to the cause.
Re: Medic !!!!
Sounds good. BTW, the Vikings played a role greater than or equal to the Greeks. The Viking managed to concur europe, establish Russia and Ireland, discover Iceland, Greenland, and even North America - not to mention kidnap and keep the most beautiful women in the known world (hence we are the most beautiful people today). What has Greece done in the past 2000 years??? :^) paramithas wrote: Sven, Sven, Sven, no wonder you northern types never built a Parthenon :-)) The O2 sensor of course, which is mounted onto the catalytic converter (you'll see it if you look close under the bike) helps the ECU adjusts for the appropriate fuel mixture. The bike won't run right if that bugger's bad. Lets get the TPS and if that doesn't do it we'll explore various other alternatives. George heading for the office - Original Message - From: Steve Baglien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 3:24 AM Subject: Re: Medic paramithas wrote: Also, did you check the sensor coming out the cat before you ordered the TPS? It could also be a culprit. last time I check my cats, they had no electronics sticking out of them. What are you talking about? Bottom line - the sensor is on order and is due to arrive. The sensor when adjusted would give the discontinuity error - I check the continuity of the power supply and the return and they were good. So, when the TPS arrives, I'm going to give it a shot to see if it clears up the problem - I've tested the bike every way I know how (on and off) for a couple of months now and am getting no closer to the cause. _NetZero Free Internet Access and Email__ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: Medic !!!!
"Hawkins, Kevin" wrote: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01C010E9.AE0E96F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I finally was able to adjust almost ALL of the surging out of the system by adjusting the EFI pots to the 1 o'clock position! Mine is already adjusted there.
Re: Final test results... (TPS)
I finally swapped out the ECU with the other ECU's that I have on loan. The results are the same. I cannot hold 5000 RPM with out +-500 RPM variance. This seems to show that the ECU's are all good (those that donated ECU's -- I hope you see that at good news)I checked continuity on the input and output side of the TPS - they both looked good. SOOO... I finally took the plunge. I found a TPS for $115 - which is a hell of a deal considering when I called the local stores, they wanted $170 - $185. It's suppose to take 5 days to get the part in, and another few to get them out to me To the guys that have loaned me parts - I greatly appreciate the gesture. I would prefer to hold these until the TPS comes in - but if you'd like your parts back, let me know and I'll drop them in the mail -- plus let me know what I owe you for shipping. -Steve William Guilford wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --CFD08B35F94E59A2308308F2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve: My manuals are at home. I'd like to compare your notes against my manual before jumping to a conclusion. However, my bike passed those same tests with flying colors. While I don't remember any details, it certainly didn't raise any red flags. So I'd suggest swapping in my TPS and repeat the tests. Also, as I recall the voltage into the TPS should be more-or-less exactly 5.0 volts. Make sure you have a good meter for these tests. Finally, check for continuity between the TPS connector (when disconnected from the TPS) and the ECU connector. The wire colors are the same at each end, despite an intervening connector below the throttle bodies. - Bill - "How am I supposed to hallucinate with these swirling lights distracting me?" - Lisa Simpson William H.O. Guilford, Ph.D. Assistant Professor University of Virginia Health System Department of Biomedical Engineering P.O. Box 800759 Charlottesville, VA 22908-0759 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://yakko.bme.virginia.edu/ http://www.med.virginia.edu/bme Phone: 804-243-2740 Fax: 804-982-3870 --CFD08B35F94E59A2308308F2 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="whg2n.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for William Guilford Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="whg2n.vcf" begin:vcard n:Guilford;William tel;fax:804-982-3870 tel;work:804-243-2740 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://yakko.bme.virginia.edu org:University of Virginia;Department of Biomedical Engineering adr:;;HSC Box 377;Charlottesville;VA;22908;USA version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Assistant Professor of Biomedical Engineering x-mozilla-cpt:;-21424 fn:William Guilford end:vcard --CFD08B35F94E59A2308308F2--
Final test results... (TPS)
Last night I did the remainder of the tests that I could for the TPS. The TPS has 3 lines running to/from it. I'm assuming that the outside lead is the power to the TPS, the middle lead is the voltage from the TPS and the black/yellow is the ground (correct me if you know better). I tested the voltage on the line in and line out and I did this with and without the engine running. When the engine is not running, the line in gives a steady 4.92 volts. When the bike is running, the voltage will vary between 4.62 and 4.92 volts depending on the engine speed, the variance coming when trying to hold the bike at 5000 rpm and not being successful (variances that I was discussing yesterday). The line out didn't vary between when the bike was running and when it was off. At full closed, it read .59 volts. At approximately 1/2 (guess, but steady) it read 2.58 and at full it read 3.58. It seemed to roll on at a fairly linear progression. What this tells me is completely undetermined - the shop manual does not give any indication of what the voltage should be for the TPS. What the manual does is tell me to put the bike into diag mode and perform tests #4 and #5. (to do this - just in case any one from the list is interested - put the bike into dealer mode, turn on the kill switch (so the bike wont start) and hit the start button 10 times. From there, if you want to execute test 4, you hit the start button 4 more additional times). Test #4 is the Throttle Sensor test and test #5 is the Throttle sensor (low opening angle). (pg. ii - 61, ii - 43 ii - 36 and ii - 47 and ii - 48 have the graphs of how to interpret the results). The manual isn't real specific about how this is to be performed but here is what I did... I ran through the tests several times and took reading from the engine light. Test #4 closed throttle - got 9 (good range is 5-10) aprox 1/2 got 12 (low according to the graph) full 16, again - 19, again 21, again 31 (good range is 44-50) Back to closed throttle -- (again) stayed where the last full throttle was. Note: I found that I had to enter the test code again with the throttle in what ever position I wanted to test to change the value displayed by the engine light. The high value seems to stay in memory until you cycle though the test - so if I went back and tried to run the closed throttle test again with out turning off the key and putting the bike back in to diag mode, I would get what ever value was last displayed for what ever throttle position. If I cycled the diag mode, I would start over from scratch - meaning the closed throttle position would give me a decent value (5 - 10) Test #5 closed throttle 5 full throttle 27 - 31. At this point, since my full throttle values were definitely below what is indicated on the graph on ii-47, 48 I went to page ii-36 to see what adjustments can be performed and what further testing can be done. Basically, rotate the TPS clockwise or counterclockwise. I max'd out both positions with out being able to increase the full throttle numbers. So, it seems clear that the bike is not getting the right value from the TPS. George, William, Bob? What do you think? If you know, or want to determine what voltages your getting out of your TPS, let me know. If my TPS is in the normal range, I'll swap in Bill's and Bob's ECU and see if that has any effect. Thanks -Sven
Re: Bring it holme Hugh! (Fluff)
I think you guys are missing the point of his analogy... Since they are both dead, the differences are negligible, therefore the differences between the GTS and the Hayabusa are negligible. SHAWN PEARSALL wrote: Hughit's obvious by your last statement that yo may be trying to achieve this SA# a little bit to hard. Lighten up, go for a ride, put something between your legs like the GTS-1000verses those magazines or VCR remote...obvoiusly you have way to much time on your handsor something else it seems. Shawn P mumbling to himselfwhat the hell does the GTS have to do with male body parts anyway...geeze
Re: ECU Failure (was Atlanta)
"nicholas.threader" wrote: Hi steve, What rpm does your problem occur at ? All. I've had it go into failure mode at idle and at 6,000 rpm (and various engine/real speeds between) It only came on to all 4 cylinders when the engine reached 5000 rpm approx , may be your ECU thinks your bike is over reving . Could point to your TPS miss reading , Hence IPS error due to pressure change caused by 2 cylinders going down . atb Nick T
Re: Atlanta
Hey Luke, Good to hear from you again. I thought you were moving here. I'm looking for another GTS to swap electronics with, to determine what's the problem with my bike. Since the IPS costs $270, the TPS costs $170 and the ECU costs $930, I want to make sure I'm right about what's wrong before I buy the parts. -Steve Luke Dean wrote: I'm sometimes in Atlanta! Three or four trips a year or 4 or 5 weeks. * Any one else on this list from Atlanta? Luke Dean Chichester UK
ECU Failure (was Atlanta)
I've tried that, but I'll try again: While riding at speed, the ECU will go into failure mode, there by shutting down a couple of the cylinders and making the bike feel like it has a serious problem. When this occurs, the EFI light in the dash will glow. This failure will last several minutes and then the bike will function normally again (with an occasional hiccup) Using the service manual, I placed the bike into dealer mode and rode it until the failure occurred. The diagnostic error code read 13 and 15. Status 13 is a failure of the Intake Pressure Sensor (IPS) and 15 is a failure of the Throttle Position Sensor (TPS). According to the manual, before tackling the TPS, you should resolve all other failures. So, I hooked a voltage meter to the IPS and fired up the bike... the voltage from the IPS read about 3.2 to 3.5 volts, which seemed to correlate to the chart included in the service manual (but I don't have a barometer to fully check). Riding around with the volt meter hacked into the IPS doesn't seem reasonable. The real problem is that just because the ECU says the IPS is faulting, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is so... it could be a short in the wiring harness, it could be a bad EFI ECU, or it could be a bad IPS. Pricing out the components showed the EFI ECU is about $900, the IPS is about $270 and the TPS is about $170, so as I said before, before I blow up to $900+ on this, I want to be sure it's necessary. BTW, I called my local dealership and they pretty much told me that they would need to get these parts and install them into the bike to fully determine what failed. As I stated before, the ideal solution would be to swap components with another GTS and take them both for a ride. If my bike fails, it's the bike. If the other bike fails, it the component. Of course, in the future if called upon, I'd be happy to share my bike and what I have learned. BTW, my GTS has about 8500 miles on it. So, if you can help or have constructive comments, I would appreciate it. Steve "nicholas.threader" wrote: Hi Steve , So whats your symptoms ( ECU ,etc ,etc ) may be someone on the list could help? atb Nick T
Atanta
Any one else on this list from Atlanta?
Re: Gripping Developments
Again, thanks for all the help. Kelly Cash wrote: It's Morse code, (named after its inventor Samuel Morse). my triquarter was burned out by the EPS power conduit on deck 9. And while we're at it, it's "Tricorder", not Triquarter. Scottie, Spock, Miles, and B'Elanna would not be pleased. ;-) -K == Kelly Cash Direct: 408-845-5762 Sr. Systems Engineer Main: 408-845-5700 Solid Data Systems FAX: 408-727-5496 2945 Oakmead Village Court [EMAIL PROTECTED] Santa Clara, CA 95051 www.soliddata.com ==
Re: GTS as the apogee of moto-development?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does this mean we're.the final culmination of moto-technology? Considering my weekend with GTS sensor technology, I kind of hope so. Anyone know what it takes to put carbs back on?
Re: Gripping Developments
Thanks! That's going to help! "Henry S. Winokur" wrote: the morris code It's Morse code, (named after its inventor Samuel Morse). Regards, Henry S. Winokur 94 GTS1000, AMA, MRF, MD/MSF Certified Instructor West Bethesda, MD
Re: Mystery Brake Squeeze Problem
I second the Boiling brake fluid theory. It's happened to me several times with my dirt bikes... drag that foot a bit... heat builds and boom... no brakes. Give it a short time to cool and they work again. Change out your old fluid and use that 600 degree fluid. -Sven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warped disc? Boiling brake fluid?
Re: AW: Engine light
jalschwe wrote: Steve, may bee your battery is too old If the voltage drops down you control unit will not work proper. Joerg Thanks - I'll keep that in mind; although the bike cranks over well and fires right up. The gas tank was almost dry, I was wondering if the gas was bad. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von Steve Baglien Gesendet am: Dienstag, 27. Juni 2000 17:21 An: Multiple recipients of list Betreff: Engine light Last time I rode my GTS it's engine light came on the bike didn't want to idle so I pulled over and rebooted it... the light remained on. So I called the wife and told her to bring the truck down... when she got there I fired the bike up to help with the loading - the engine light was out and it idled just fine so I rode it home.This morning it seemed to be running fine. Any guesses on what could be going on here?Between the ABS light coming on at odd times, the oil light lighting up when it's 1/2 quart low and now the engine light... my dash looks like it belongs in a disco. -Sven
Re: AW: Engine light
Crap! I hadn't intended to send these to the group (different mail browser) - sorry for the triple redundancy. -Sven Steve Baglien wrote: jalschwe wrote: Steve, may bee your battery is too old If the voltage drops down you control unit will not work proper. Joerg Thanks - I'll keep that in mind; although the bike cranks over well and fires right up. The gas tank was almost dry, I was wondering if the gas was bad. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von Steve Baglien Gesendet am: Dienstag, 27. Juni 2000 17:21 An: Multiple recipients of list Betreff: Engine light Last time I rode my GTS it's engine light came on the bike didn't want to idle so I pulled over and rebooted it... the light remained on. So I called the wife and told her to bring the truck down... when she got there I fired the bike up to help with the loading - the engine light was out and it idled just fine so I rode it home.This morning it seemed to be running fine. Any guesses on what could be going on here?Between the ABS light coming on at odd times, the oil light lighting up when it's 1/2 quart low and now the engine light... my dash looks like it belongs in a disco. -Sven
Engine light
Last time I rode my GTS it's engine light came on the bike didn't want to idle so I pulled over and rebooted it... the light remained on. So I called the wife and told her to bring the truck down... when she got there I fired the bike up to help with the loading - the engine light was out and it idled just fine so I rode it home.This morning it seemed to be running fine. Any guesses on what could be going on here?Between the ABS light coming on at odd times, the oil light lighting up when it's 1/2 quart low and now the engine light... my dash looks like it belongs in a disco. -Sven
Re: Wing Fluff
No way man, just order one of these, http://www.ascea.com/cupholder.htm, modify it with a gimble that can be bought at any hardware store, and you be drinking your hi-ball as you cruise the freeway. I personally prefer to load up my camel back instead (hard to drink from a cup with a full face helmet) -Sven the answer man. wghalley wrote: The real limit to cornering with a 'wing isn't ground clearance - it's the spill angle on the cup holder! Bill -Original Message- From: Steve Baglien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 6:30 AM Subject: Re: Homemade Electric Motorcycle clothing! See, you need a Goldwingjust turn on the heatset the windshield high... turn up the radio, and you're good until March. -Sven snip
Re: Daytona!
"Kevin T. Harrington" wrote: Anyway--if you find yourself loosing coolant and can't find where it's going, check the BACK of your waterpump--that's where the dribble hole is. Are you saying that you can service the water pump on the GTS? I thought that when water starts dripping out of the weep hole, the internals of the pump were shot. Kevin(FL), anxiously awaiting a mechanical seal...
Re: [Fwd: A show of hands...]
George Paramithas wrote: Marcia and I should drift in by Friday noonish. Allow me therefore to suggest a Friday seashore ride with dinner to follow. The official meeting place can be the Yamaha tent say around 3:00pm? OK. U where is this? Give me some coordinates and we'll be there. (I'd rather meet at the Iron Horse... I'm guessing that there are no topless biker chicks at the Yami tent) Zorbo trying to organize the masses Sven giving Zorbo the big Greek salute
Re: brakes - need help
Oh... and kick the crap out of your mechanic and get your money back. "jason j. kaplitz" wrote: After a year of having a mushy front brake my mechanic tore into my gts. He spent 3 hours trying to bleed the system but it is worse now than before. In fact the first handful of brake now does nothing! you've got to squeeze the lever 2 or 3 times to get any pressure. We did the ABS test and he says they work. any help would be appreciated jason kaplitz
Re: Installing Krausers
George Paramithas wrote: I used a reaming bit Of course you did George, what else would you expect from a Greek? and it took a while but the holes came out perfect. I bet they did.
Re: Front swingarm pivot caps
You got screwed. I got mine for $8, last spring. Pays to shop around! "Loss, Joe" wrote: How many of you guys have lost one of the little silver bearing caps on the front swingarm? I see from the photos that Dave Sweisgut has. I replaced one the other day...$18 plus tax thank you!!! The Yamaha guy said they sell a lot of them...another good little money spinner for Yamaha. I have since applied some silicone to ensure it doesn't happen again. Cheers Joe
Re: Chain and Sprockets (comment to SA George)
I think its time to make a new list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George, Sorry to be so non-SA, but this is a perfect example of a message where the subject line should have been changed with the "fluff" word properly installed. In a message dated 9/28/99 4:09:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: eorge the sympathetic and the politically correct :-)) PS kissy-kissy I's still love ya Kev I just had to cut a joke, I am afraid this
