Re: [guadec-list] conference software

[Nuritzi Sanchez]

FWIW, another option may be:

https://github.com/chrisjrn/symposion/
+
https://github.com/chrisjrn/registrasion/


I saw a website run by it this weekend that looks pretty neat:
https://2017.northbaypython.org/


On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:24 AM, Ekaterina Gerasimova <
kittykat3...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > https://github.com/openSUSE/travel-support-program, which will probably
> help
> > the travel committee when it comes to dealing with travel subsidies.  If
> all
> > of this comes integrated then we save a lot of time for everyone.
>
> We assessed it some time ago and decided that it didn't work how we
> needed it to.
>

Do you have any notes on what was missing?

It may be a good idea for us to do a wider assessment of what is truly
needed.

Best,
Nuritzi


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Re: [guadec-list] conference software

[Ekaterina Gerasimova]

On 21 October 2017 at 01:50, Sriram Ramkrishna  wrote:
> Hola Tobi!
>
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:54 AM Tobias Mueller 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> On Fri, 2017-10-20 at 01:26 +, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
>> > LAS is looking to move to a new conference software.  We would like to
>> > move to OSEM (http://osem.io/).  I realize there was some talk about
>> > using whatever FOSDEM is using, but honestly that software is 8 years
>> > old and nobody supports it.
>> What software are you talking about?
>
>
> I believe it was called pentabarf.  Github says it hasn't been touched in a
> long awhile.
>
>> Frab? I don't have the impression that it's neither unmaintained nor not
>> supported. In fact, it sets standards when it comes to an open format
>> for the conference's schedules.
>> https://github.com/frab/frab
>
>
> Nope, is that what fosdem is using?
>
>>
>>
>> From what I can see, it's used very extensively by important European
>> conferences (FOSDEM, FrOSCon, CCCongress, PrivacyWeek, ...).
>>
>> >   There is 5-6 dedicated people for OSEM.
>> But is anybody actually using it? Besides the people themselves for
>> openSuSE Conference.
>
>
> I believe small conferences like SeaGL is using it, and large conferences
> like AllThingsOpen is using it.  There are probably some other ones.
>
>>
>> >   So, I'm hoping to make an executive decision and move to OSEM.
>> What's your reasoning so far?
>>
>
> Mostly because I have to spin up a website for LAS very quickly and start
> working on call for papers and a number of other things.  I have a short
> deadlines since I am driving fundraising for htis conference.  If we are
> going to make fundraising goal for a spring conference (eg May) I don't have
> a lot of time.  The website is the current focal point.
>
> That said, I don't want to use something and then have GUADEC something
> else.  It makes no sense to have two conferences using different software so
> I want to push to have both GUADEC and LAS/GINA use the same software.  The
> other issue is that whatever we pick we are our on our own, from what I
> understand GNOME sysadmins won't support any other conference software other
> than whatever we used this year.  I wasn't happy with the experience and I
> don't believe it is a scalable process.  OSEM is attractive as that I will
> have support from a team and considering that we are co-locating two
> conferences in the same location there is a slight bit of complexity.  If I
> have to find hosting outside the GNOME infra, at least let me get it with
> someone who is working to help me and is eager to help.  But if both
> conferences use OSEM then perhaps we can convince sysadmin to host it on our
> infra.
>
> Lastly, we also have this -
> https://github.com/openSUSE/travel-support-program, which will probably help
> the travel committee when it comes to dealing with travel subsidies.  If all
> of this comes integrated then we save a lot of time for everyone.

We assessed it some time ago and decided that it didn't work how we
needed it to.

> In any case, I'm not excited by conference software, I'm interested in the
> shortest time to getting something spun up and get things moving and having
> the most support.  The good thing is that LAS will test any software before
> GUADEC and smooth things over for the next team.
>
>> > Secondly, GNOME.Asia has already used OSEM for the past couple of
>> > years.
>> wait, what?  This is plain wrong.
>
>
> It was true at some point, the OSEM website has GNOME logo as someone using
> their software.
>
> So, can we make a decision? :)
>
> sri
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>   Tobi
>
>
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Re: [guadec-list] conference software

[Ismael Olea]

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Andreas Nilsson  wrote:


> Last time I used OSEM, it wasn't as straight forward to use as I would
> have hoped.
> Maybe it makes sense to take it for a trial run for LAS and then see if
> it makes sense to recommend it for the other conferences?
> Is the signup system in OSEM (and/or Pentabaf) very, how do I say it,
> concerned about itself? In the sense that it's overly formal, academic
> and complicated?
>


Just for the record:

We are setting up an OSEM instance for another event in 2018:
https://osem.cacharreo.club/

If someone wants to give it a sight I can give him/her admin access. We are
using master branch at main git repo.

About setting it up, well: it has some stupid bugs so took more than
expected to setting it up. Now we are starting to populate it with content.

About the sign up process seems to me to be straight forward. We expect to
activate the external OAuth autentication too,

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Re: [guadec-list] conference software

[Andreas Nilsson]

On 2017-10-20 03:26, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> LAS is looking to move to a new conference software.  We would like to
> move to OSEM (http://osem.io/).  I realize there was some talk about
> using whatever FOSDEM is using, but honestly that software is 8 years
> old and nobody supports it.  There is 5-6 dedicated people for OSEM. 
> So, I'm hoping to make an executive decision and move to OSEM.  Even
> better, LAS will be the first GNOME conference next year and so we
> will be the first to move to the platform.  Secondly, GNOME.Asia has
> already used OSEM for the past couple of years.
>
> Your mission if you choose to accept is to not respond if you agree
> with the decision, or if you have questions then please respond or if
> you object say so and explain why.  Once I have consensus, I will put
> a request for getting OSEM setup on our infrastructure.

Last time I used OSEM, it wasn't as straight forward to use as I would
have hoped.
Maybe it makes sense to take it for a trial run for LAS and then see if
it makes sense to recommend it for the other conferences?
Is the signup system in OSEM (and/or Pentabaf) very, how do I say it,
concerned about itself? In the sense that it's overly formal, academic
and complicated?
- Andreas
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Re: [guadec-list] conference software

[Alexandre Franke]

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Tobias Mueller  wrote:
> On Sat, 2017-10-21 at 19:41 +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Tobias Mueller > e> wrote:
>> As far as I know, the schedule format was defined by Pentabarf and
>> nowadays many other applications implement it
> Including OSEM? ;-)

Yes. Sorry, I should have mentioned it. ☺

> I consider this good reasoning.
> FWIW: I didn't intend to recommend one software or advise against
> another. But rather refute statements that I believe are wrong in order
> to help making a better decision.  I assumed that was one of the things
> the original message intended to provoke.



> You seem to be all set

More or less, the question of the hosting and sysadmin is still in the air.

> but if you're looking for suggestions as to what
> features your software should have, I recommend ranking a static export
> high on your list of things to look out for. Not only will it make
> deployment much easier, but it will also make archiving the whole thing
> very easy.

Agreed, this is important. I don’t know if OSEM already does it. I’ll
check and ask for this feature if it’s not already present.

> Because GNOME.Asia Summit didn't use OSEM for the last couple of years.

Oh. I’ll get in touch with the OSEM people to check why they claim we did.

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Re: [guadec-list] conference software

[Tobias Mueller]

Hi.

On Sat, 2017-10-21 at 19:41 +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Tobias Mueller  e> wrote:
> As far as I know, the schedule format was defined by Pentabarf and
> nowadays many other applications implement it
Including OSEM? ;-)

> There are a few alternatives on the market and we could bikeshed for a
> while without reaching an agreement. I investigated OSEM and it does
> what we need, looks good and easy to use. It fits our requirements and
> the developers are listening to user feedback. I heartily recommend
> switching to it.
> 
I consider this good reasoning.
FWIW: I didn't intend to recommend one software or advise against
another. But rather refute statements that I believe are wrong in order
to help making a better decision.  I assumed that was one of the things
the original message intended to provoke.

You seem to be all set, but if you're looking for suggestions as to what
features your software should have, I recommend ranking a static export
high on your list of things to look out for. Not only will it make
deployment much easier, but it will also make archiving the whole thing
very easy.

> > > Secondly, GNOME.Asia has already used OSEM for the past couple of
> > > years.
> > wait, what?  This is plain wrong.
> 
> How so?
Because GNOME.Asia Summit didn't use OSEM for the last couple of years.

Cheers,
  Tobi
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Re: [guadec-list] conference software

[Alexandre Franke]

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Tobias Mueller  wrote:
> Hi.

Hello,

> What software are you talking about?

He was talking about Pentabarf.

> Frab? I don't have the impression that it's neither unmaintained nor not
> supported. In fact, it sets standards when it comes to an open format
> for the conference's schedules.
> https://github.com/frab/frab

The good thing about standards is that it doesn’t matter what software
sets them. What matters is that they are used.

As far as I know, the schedule format was defined by Pentabarf and
nowadays many other applications implement it

>>   There is 5-6 dedicated people for OSEM.
> But is anybody actually using it? Besides the people themselves for
> openSuSE Conference.

Yes. GNOME.Asia as Sri said earlier, but also a few others (FOSSETCON,
PGConfUS, SeaGL,Open Government Partnership Summit…). I’m not sure
this criterion is that important too. If the software does what we
need it to, and if the developers are active and implementing the
features that are lacking, I’d say that is more important.

>>   So, I'm hoping to make an executive decision and move to OSEM.
> What's your reasoning so far?

First of all, the main motivation is to move away from regcfp. While
it has served us well so far, it has a single developer who said
himself that it should be rewritten. It would be better to move to
something that is better supported and is actively developed.

There are a few alternatives on the market and we could bikeshed for a
while without reaching an agreement. I investigated OSEM and it does
what we need, looks good and easy to use. It fits our requirements and
the developers are listening to user feedback. I heartily recommend
switching to it.

>> Secondly, GNOME.Asia has already used OSEM for the past couple of
>> years.
> wait, what?  This is plain wrong.

How so?

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Re: [guadec-list] conference software

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

Hola Tobi!

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:54 AM Tobias Mueller 
wrote:

> Hi.
>
> On Fri, 2017-10-20 at 01:26 +, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> > LAS is looking to move to a new conference software.  We would like to
> > move to OSEM (http://osem.io/).  I realize there was some talk about
> > using whatever FOSDEM is using, but honestly that software is 8 years
> > old and nobody supports it.
> What software are you talking about?
>

I believe it was called pentabarf.  Github says it hasn't been touched in a
long awhile.

Frab? I don't have the impression that it's neither unmaintained nor not
> supported. In fact, it sets standards when it comes to an open format
> for the conference's schedules.
> https://github.com/frab/frab


Nope, is that what fosdem is using?


>
> From what I can see, it's used very extensively by important European
> conferences (FOSDEM, FrOSCon, CCCongress, PrivacyWeek, ...).
>
> >   There is 5-6 dedicated people for OSEM.
> But is anybody actually using it? Besides the people themselves for
> openSuSE Conference.
>

I believe small conferences like SeaGL is using it, and large conferences
like AllThingsOpen is using it.  There are probably some other ones.


> >   So, I'm hoping to make an executive decision and move to OSEM.
> What's your reasoning so far?
>
>
Mostly because I have to spin up a website for LAS very quickly and start
working on call for papers and a number of other things.  I have a short
deadlines since I am driving fundraising for htis conference.  If we are
going to make fundraising goal for a spring conference (eg May) I don't
have a lot of time.  The website is the current focal point.

That said, I don't want to use something and then have GUADEC something
else.  It makes no sense to have two conferences using different software
so I want to push to have both GUADEC and LAS/GINA use the same software.
The other issue is that whatever we pick we are our on our own, from what I
understand GNOME sysadmins won't support any other conference software
other than whatever we used this year.  I wasn't happy with the experience
and I don't believe it is a scalable process.  OSEM is attractive as that I
will have support from a team and considering that we are co-locating two
conferences in the same location there is a slight bit of complexity.  If I
have to find hosting outside the GNOME infra, at least let me get it with
someone who is working to help me and is eager to help.  But if both
conferences use OSEM then perhaps we can convince sysadmin to host it on
our infra.

Lastly, we also have this -
https://github.com/openSUSE/travel-support-program, which will probably
help the travel committee when it comes to dealing with travel subsidies.
If all of this comes integrated then we save a lot of time for everyone.

In any case, I'm not excited by conference software, I'm interested in the
shortest time to getting something spun up and get things moving and having
the most support.  The good thing is that LAS will test any software before
GUADEC and smooth things over for the next team.

> Secondly, GNOME.Asia has already used OSEM for the past couple of
> > years.
> wait, what?  This is plain wrong.
>

It was true at some point, the OSEM website has GNOME logo as someone using
their software.

So, can we make a decision? :)

sri


> Cheers,
>   Tobi
>
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Re: [guadec-list] conference software

[Tobias Mueller]

Hi.

On Fri, 2017-10-20 at 01:26 +, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> LAS is looking to move to a new conference software.  We would like to
> move to OSEM (http://osem.io/).  I realize there was some talk about
> using whatever FOSDEM is using, but honestly that software is 8 years
> old and nobody supports it.
What software are you talking about?
Frab? I don't have the impression that it's neither unmaintained nor not
supported. In fact, it sets standards when it comes to an open format
for the conference's schedules.
https://github.com/frab/frab

>From what I can see, it's used very extensively by important European
conferences (FOSDEM, FrOSCon, CCCongress, PrivacyWeek, ...).

>   There is 5-6 dedicated people for OSEM.
But is anybody actually using it? Besides the people themselves for
openSuSE Conference.

>   So, I'm hoping to make an executive decision and move to OSEM.
What's your reasoning so far?

> Secondly, GNOME.Asia has already used OSEM for the past couple of
> years.
wait, what?  This is plain wrong.

Cheers,
  Tobi
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[guadec-list] conference software

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

LAS is looking to move to a new conference software.  We would like to move
to OSEM (http://osem.io/).  I realize there was some talk about using
whatever FOSDEM is using, but honestly that software is 8 years old and
nobody supports it.  There is 5-6 dedicated people for OSEM.  So, I'm
hoping to make an executive decision and move to OSEM.  Even better, LAS
will be the first GNOME conference next year and so we will be the first to
move to the platform.  Secondly, GNOME.Asia has already used OSEM for the
past couple of years.

Your mission if you choose to accept is to not respond if you agree with
the decision, or if you have questions then please respond or if you object
say so and explain why.  Once I have consensus, I will put a request for
getting OSEM setup on our infrastructure.

sri
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