Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query
At 09:32 AM 4/13/2006, you wrote: I cannot find an image of a gentleman in breeches and skirted doublet for about 1560-80. When in doubt, I check Norris for leads. I know he redraws, but its a redraw from something original, even if it is partly made up or modified. In this case, Charles IX by Francois Clouet, 1569. http://tinyurl.com/hnlo7 There are a lot of his images. Go down just a little bit, and images #9 and #10 should do you right. Seems that style is not much in fashion at that time, because it was the only one with such long skirts that I could find. Norris does show a Scottish nobleman, 1567 with skirts almost as long, but I don't know where the original image would be located to confirm. Kimiko ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] 16th century men query
Sorry, thought she needed a doublet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query In a message dated 4/13/2006 9:07:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The new book, "The Tudor Tailor" has a line drawing of almost exactly what you want, on page 63. You would just have to make the hanging sleeves. ** I don't see any breeches on page 63. I thought her dilemma was she cannot find a pictorial reference to a doublet with long skirts worn with "breeches"by which I think she means Venetians. There is a rendering of a man in a skirted doublet [one looks like a jerkin] with paned hosen that come to just above the knee on pages 11, 15 and 19. The paintings these details are from are "The Fete at Bermondsey" by Joris Hoefnagel c1570 [page 11] "The Embarkation at Dover" in the Royal Collection [page 15] and "The Field of the Cloth of Gold", also in the Royal Collection [Page 19] The whole paintings [I think] are on the "Contents" pagebut get your magnifying glass out. But that's the problem isn't it? Most renderings of a doublet with Venetians are of the later short doublet with tassets. And again, these men all appear to be servants of some kind holding arms or something. But some are just dancing or socializing so you cannot really tell. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje
In a message dated 4/13/2006 10:33:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I could have had another museum day! Seriously, I do wish I'd known. Well, now we all have another excuse to go back to Madrid! Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query
At 08:20 14/04/2006, you wrote: At 09:32 AM 4/13/2006, you wrote: I cannot find an image of a gentleman in breeches and skirted doublet for about 1560-80. When in doubt, I check Norris for leads. I know he redraws, but its a redraw from something original, even if it is partly made up or modified. In this case, Charles IX by Francois Clouet, 1569. http://tinyurl.com/hnlo7 There are a lot of his images. Go down just a little bit, and images #9 and #10 should do you right. Seems that style is not much in fashion at that time, because it was the only one with such long skirts that I could find. Norris does show a Scottish nobleman, 1567 with skirts almost as long, but I don't know where the original image would be located to confirm. Kimiko Thanks Kimiko, but I don't think it's quite what I am after - I trawled the Clouets already. I have a picture of a shorter doublet and Venetians which I may have to go with. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays
> Hi Carol, > Yes i know it would be best with cotton or linnen, but really for > reenacting will it really be worned this much? > > Bjarne I haven't reenacted much lately, but three years back I was wearing the stays I made 15 and 20 years ago. With the older set, I reinforced the binding under the arms and repaired them a few times. Yes, we wear them quite a lot! I don't know how much your client will be wearing her stays. A dance once a year, or 30 weekends per year, or somewhere in-between? I've seen originals bound in linen tape (late 18thC) but I have not seen any bound with silk. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric?
I'm imagining the reenactor of the future doing light research about people in the early 21stC wearing corn. They will do extensive experiments with spinning and weaving the corn silk - we must have lost that technology! And then someone will find a corn-husk doll and understand that it was a realistic representation of dress. But did people wear giant corn husks, or make "feathered" garments with them? What base fabric did they use? Can anyone help me with this research, someone said they did not grow corn as large as we do today, but then I saw this movie called "Sleeper" where obviously they did... ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] off topic pyramids
Hi, Have you seen the news about they want to find out the mystery of the new pyramids in Bosnia made 2000 years ago? Pyramids in Europe? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] off topic pyramids
In a message dated 4/14/2006 3:10:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pyramids in Europe? well they've got 'em in South and Central America too, y'know. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric?
Did you ever read a graphic novel called "Motel of the Mysteries," featuring the archaelogical discovery of a 20th-century motel? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm imagining the reenactor of the future doing light research about people in the early 21stC wearing corn. They will do extensive experiments with spinning and weaving the corn silk - we must have l ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Two questions
Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather cowboy hat? I left mine in the back of my car on a hot summer day and it shrank. to where it won't fit any more. Sylrog On Apr 12, 2006, at 11:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/13/2006 12:36:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can anyone tell me how to stretch a cotton/rayon "cowboy" hat from a size 6 3/4 to a size 7? Does it have an interior band? If so, you may have to remove it. If not, just try steaming, steaming, with a teakettle if you don't have a proper steamer, then putting it on the right size form (or maybe even the head will work). However, sounds like said hat is cheap enough not to bother, nor might that steaming will even work. But you aren't out much if it doesn't. There are lots of sources for cheap cowboy hats out there. On-line, try Shepler's. Around here, the Latino stores stock straw ones--not felt, so much. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Two questions
In a message dated 4/14/2006 5:44:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather cowboy hat? *** I'm sure you can do that. They stretch gloves and shoes. You need to make the leather supple. I'm sure a shoe repair place [that stretches shoes] can help you with what product will do that. Then you need some kind of form to stretch the hat on. Are there no places that blocks hats in your area? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Two questions
I live in the Denver area and haven't come across any such place. Maybe I'll check a shoe repair shop. On Apr 14, 2006, at 4:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/14/2006 5:44:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather cowboy hat? *** I'm sure you can do that. They stretch gloves and shoes. You need to make the leather supple. I'm sure a shoe repair place [that stretches shoes] can help you with what product will do that. Then you need some kind of form to stretch the hat on. Are there no places that blocks hats in your area? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT- reenacting was new fabric
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 11:14 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 335 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to Is that the one where they discover a toilet and decide it must have been an altar for worship...gave lots of interesting reasons, one of them being its important location in the house. I think about that when we're all discussing some artifact that we have absolutely no clue what it might have been used for and wonder just how much our ancient ancestors must be laughing at how far off we are Julie * Did you ever read a graphic novel called "Motel of the Mysteries," featuring the archaelogical discovery of a 20th-century motel? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm imagining the reenactor of the future doing light research about > people in the early 21stC wearing corn. They will do extensive > experiments with spinning and weaving the corn silk - we must have > l ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric?
In a message dated 4/14/2006 3:30:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you ever read a graphic novel called "Motel of the Mysteries," featuring the archaelogical discovery of a 20th-century motel? Rather OT, but required reading for all historians! Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Two questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 5:41 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two questions You can use a hat stretcher like this one: http://www.benderhats.com/hatstretcher.html I would try using just the stretcher first before adding a softener like Lexol. Carolann Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 1-4, 2007 Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather cowboy hat? I left mine in the back of my car on a hot summer day and it shrank. to where it won't fit any more. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
