[h-cost] kingdom of heaven: blue surcoat and cape
Hi all, Someone has just asked me to make for him a costume from the Kingdom of heaven, the blue surcoat and the blue cape which Orlando B. is wearing. Here are some pictures, including one replica which is being sold by realarmourofgod.com. http://www.darkhorizons.com/2005/kingdom/kingdom16.jpg http://www.darkhorizons.com/2005/kingdom/kingdom4.jpg http://art.allayers.com/images/large/kingdom_of_heaven4.jpg http://www.realarmorofgod.com/shop/popup_image.php/pID/597 The thing I can't figure out is the cloak or something Orlando has around the neck (first picture). On the third link there is a picture of some cape which looks it could be the neck thing. But I really don't know. What do you think? How would the pattern look like to make such a shape? Another question is the cape with sleeves (second and fourth link). It looks it has a large hood, but it isn't sure, and it seems that the hood and the body are from one piece - the hood isn't sewn to the garment. Am I right? Has someone seen the movie who can tell me? Perhaps it is possible there to see the back ot the garments? Thanks, Zuzana - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume texts
In a message dated 7/12/2006 1:13:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've got a copy of Blanch Payne. What's the best and/or the most commonly used text on historic costume? Do you have the revised edition? It is probably as good as any of the general texts--they all have their strengths and weaknesses. The other standard text is Phyllis Tortora and Keith Eubanks, Survey of Historic Costume 2nd ed. from Fairchild Publications. Others might have different opinions but, of the readily available general survey texts, I think it is a toss up between these two. Another pretty good book, but unfortunately out of print, is Douglas Russell's Costume History and Style (Prentice-Hall, 1983). When I co-taught a class on period styles in the theatre dept., my fellow teacher (a set designer) really liked Russell because of his approach with decorative arts and also the way he chose to divide his material into periods. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc.
michaela wrote: In fact more people are willing to ask question in their own journals that fill up a list with talk on a minor subject. Probably because they have been scared off in the past for doing so. I find all the forms of communication online useful. There are nuggets of gold on all the lists and journals I am involved with. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com I totally agree with you, Michaela. Thank you for sharing your personal story. Yours is a blog I enjoy reading. And, interestingly, enough, it's my circle of favorite blogs which keep me inspired when I get stuck in a project. More than once, I have e-mailed the owner of a blog and asked them about their thread choices, or their accessories, or whether or not to pre-wash something. I've always gotten a friendly response. I think some people are just naturally more open--I don't enjoy talking about the daily grind, but rather about my projects and what status they are in. As a self-taught seamstress, I find that open and friendly dialogue much, much more helpful than any high-level sewing book. Books are great for research, but it's rather hard to say, Oi, book! Does this make my bum look big? Marie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume texts
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In a message dated 7/12/2006 1:13:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've got a copy of Blanch Payne. What's the best and/or the most commonly used text on historic costume? Do you have the revised edition? Probably not, it's the 1965 edition -- and there's no mention of revided anywhere in that front matter. (I know that there's a term for it, I just don't know what it is!) I had no idea it was still in print! It is probably as good as any of the general texts--they all have their strengths and weaknesses. The other standard text is Phyllis Tortora and Keith Eubanks, Survey of Historic Costume 2nd ed. from Fairchild Publications. Others might have different opinions but, of the readily available general survey texts, I think it is a toss up between these two. Another pretty good book, but unfortunately out of print, is Douglas Russell's Costume History and Style (Prentice-Hall, 1983). When I co-taught a class on period styles in the theatre dept., my fellow teacher (a set designer) really liked Russell because of his approach with decorative arts and also the way he chose to divide his material into periods. I've seen Russell -- and I do like his approach. Ill have to take a gander at Tortora Eubanks. Thanks! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume texts
In a message dated 7/12/2006 8:11:46 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Probably not, it's the 1965 edition -- and there's no mention of revised anywhere in that front matter. (I know that there's a term for it, I just don't know what it is!) I had no idea it was still in print! It was in print until last year, when it went out of print. I prefer it for my students because there is more historic content and it weighs less and is smaller (thinking of student back packs). However, the Eubank and Tortora book (which I feel is geared more toward the fashion designer than the costume designer-lots of 20th century) now comes with its own Power Point which is also Smart Board friendly and has a final page of Internet links which you can click on and bring up for the class if you have a smart board and/or your computer has an Internet connection. However, the Power Point lectures are skimpy in visual images so I added some from my own Power Point lectures. I'm feeling like it's time for a new text. Anyone out there up to the task? Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] kingdom of heaven: blue surcoat and cape
Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: Hi all, Someone has just asked me to make for him a costume from the Kingdom of heaven, the blue surcoat and the blue cape which Orlando B. is wearing. Here are some pictures, including one replica which is being sold by realarmourofgod.com. http://www.darkhorizons.com/2005/kingdom/kingdom16.jpg http://www.darkhorizons.com/2005/kingdom/kingdom4.jpg http://art.allayers.com/images/large/kingdom_of_heaven4.jpg http://www.realarmorofgod.com/shop/popup_image.php/pID/597 The thing I can't figure out is the cloak or something Orlando has around the neck (first picture). My guess is it is like the guys in the background on the 2nd picture, a piece of fabric with a hole in it for the head. Hangs longer in the back, comes down to the chest in front. It's draped differently on a few people. Like a poncho. On the third link there is a picture of some cape which looks it could be the neck thing. The brown thing around his neck is a cowl/hood. This one looks like it is a circle with a hood attached to the center hole. The medieval equivalent of a hoodie. But I really don't know. What do you think? How would the pattern look like to make such a shape? Another question is the cape with sleeves (second and fourth link). It looks it has a large hood, but it isn't sure, and it seems that the hood and the body are from one piece I doubt the hood was cut in one with the coat, there's almost certainly a seam around the neck area. You might be able to adapt something like Simplicity 9887. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Siglo XVIII Spain
Muchas gracias. Tambien busco modoas o vestuarios del pueblo comun, como obreros, esclavos, sirvientes,marinos, albañiles,etc del siglo xviii. JP -Original Message- From: Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Siglo XVIII Spain http://www.fundacionjakober.org/spain5.html Portraits of Carlos VI, Isabel II and Amadeus I should be a good jumping off point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_IV_of_Spain Infanta Eulalia www.npg.org.uk/live/search/person.asp?LinkID=mp69533 Catalina nunca sin mi vino ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 523
Still looking for some XVIII century Spanish Non Court, nor nobility clothing like artisans, servants,etc. JP -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:54 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 523 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of h-costume digest... ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc.
I think some people are just naturally more open--I don't enjoy talking about the daily grind, but rather about my projects and what status they are in. As a self-taught seamstress, I find that open and friendly dialogue much, much more helpful than any high-level sewing book. Books are great for research, but it's rather hard to say, Oi, book! Does this make my bum look big? That's just the difference between whether you prefer personal/emotional/socially supportive dialog or straight information without it. A great many sewing and wardrobe planning books will tell you things like, Having large, bright flowers or wide horizontal stripes across the back of your pants is guaranteed to make your bum look large. And if you've got any doubt, consult a mirror. Information is one thing and social support is another. The two don't have to be connected by any means. Not everyone has a strong need for social support/approval. I agree that's what many blogs seem to be for, it just holds no interest for me personally. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Really OT! But too funny....
not to pass on. These are the winners in the [in]famous Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest a contest for the worst opening line to a novel ever. Enjoy everyone! _http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/english/2006.htm_ (http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/english/2006.htm) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 525
Zuzana, Here's a link to another site selling reproductions of the costumes, including the cape in question: http://www.bytheswordinc.com/acatalog/Kingdom_of_Heaven_Clothing.html Apparently there was a documentary on the costumes on the 4-disk director's cut version of the movie: http://imdb.com/title/tt0815448/ Maybe you can rent it. HTH, Tea Rose Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:03:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] kingdom of heaven: blue surcoat and cape Hi all, Someone has just asked me to make for him a costume from the Kingdom of heaven, the blue surcoat and the blue cape which Orlando B. is wearing. The thing I can't figure out is the cloak or something Orlando has around the neck (first picture). Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] costume texts
In a message dated 7/12/2006 10:07:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Probably not, it's the 1965 edition -- and there's no mention of revided anywhere in that front matter. (I know that there's a term for it, I just don't know what it is!) I had no idea it was still in print! The second edition came out in 1992, with revisions by Geitel Winakor and Jane Farrell-Beck. There is discussion about a third edition at some point. I believe the 1st ed. had patterns it it--am I remembering correctly? They are not in the 2nd ed. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Really OT! But too funny....
These are the winners in the [in]famous Bulwer-Lytton
Fiction Contest a contest for the worst opening line to a novel ever.
The link was dead, and searching on the SJState web page didn't turn up
anything under Bulwer-Lytton. Now what?
CarolynKayta Barrows
dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian
www.FunStuft.com
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Re: [h-cost] costume texts
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In a message dated 7/12/2006 10:07:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Probably not, it's the 1965 edition -- and there's no mention of revided anywhere in that front matter. (I know that there's a term for it, I just don't know what it is!) I had no idea it was still in print! The second edition came out in 1992, with revisions by Geitel Winakor and Jane Farrell-Beck. There is discussion about a third edition at some point. I believe the 1st ed. had patterns it it--am I remembering correctly? They are not in the 2nd ed. There are indeed patterns in my book. They're like 1/16th scale ... susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Really OT! But too funny....
Their home page is:
http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/
I won the Children's Literature category in 2004, which was the first
time I entered, after which I decided to retire from it with my honor?
?? intact. This year's lot of winners is exceptionally good (and rather
clothing-oriented in places).
Fran
Lavolta Press
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Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote:
These are the winners in the [in]famous Bulwer-Lytton
Fiction Contest a contest for the worst opening line to a novel ever.
The link was dead, and searching on the SJState web page didn't turn up
anything under Bulwer-Lytton. Now what?
CarolynKayta Barrows
dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian
www.FunStuft.com
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Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc.
Quoting Hope Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd like to recommend the use of blogs for another reason, one that we recommend to our faculty and students quite often: personal organization. While bookmarking sites like del.icio.us are great at helping you organize your bookmarks, blogs can help you in a slightly different way. While blog posts are generally organized chronologically, and you can organize them by category, at the heart of blogging systems is a search engine. So, one way to use a blog is as a storage place for items or articles you find online, to which you can add your comments. Now *that* I didn't know -- and that's a big plus right now. I use 3 different computers with 3 different sets of bookmarks. *sigh* Granted, the set on the laptop is probably the best organized, it's my primary machine, but still Does anybody know of any good bookmark management tools? susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc.
Fran wrote: Not everyone has a strong need for social support/approval. I agree that's what many blogs seem to be for, it just holds no interest for me personally. I have two: one LiveJournal, for miscellaneous ramblings on how I'm doing personally, and another on Blogspot, which is for articles related to my research. The LiveJournal one I started mostly because several of my friends are on LJ, and it seemed like a good place to put the occasional blather about weather in the Central Valley, the health of my cat, what I saw on my trip to England this year, and other stuff that would mostly be of interest to family and close friends. It's a way of letting that small audience know how I'm doing without having to write each one individually. The Paternosters blog (http://paternosters.blogspot.com) is something I started to force myself to sit down and WRITE about my research on the history of rosary beads. For about a year and a half I was producing one to two articles a week; it got sidetracked somehow after my England trip this spring and I haven't gotten back to it, but I certainly have not run out of things to talk about. I find that writing gives me more ideas about things to research and write about, and I've learned a lot in the process. I like it also because it's somewhere to post the answers to FAQs and anything else I want to make available, and yet it's simple to maintain just by sitting down and typing something; I don't have to create or configure entire Web pages to hold the information. 0 Chris Laning | [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc.
I'd like to recommend the use of blogs for another reason, one that we recommend to our faculty and students quite often: personal organization. I don't have a blog or LJ as yet, despite 5 years nagging (erm, I mean encouraging) from my children, But lately I have considered it so I could have a place to put thoughts that I want to follow up on AND THAT I CAN FIND THE NEXT TIME I LOOK FOR IT! I have journalled for many years (or tried to) but paper copies get misplaced. I always know where LJ is. My kids assure me that I can keep it locked and allow friends only, meaning nobody if I wish it. I like options in organizational strategies! Laurie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc.
Quoting zelda crusher [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd like to recommend the use of blogs for another reason, one that we recommend to our faculty and students quite often: personal organization. I don't have a blog or LJ as yet, despite 5 years nagging (erm, I mean encouraging) from my children, But lately I have considered it so I could have a place to put thoughts that I want to follow up on AND THAT I CAN FIND THE NEXT TIME I LOOK FOR IT! *snicker* You should see the folder of to-Do lists that I have! I contemplate typing them up and organizing them from time to time . I have journalled for many years (or tried to) but paper copies get misplaced. I always know where LJ is. My kids assure me that I can keep it locked and allow friends only, meaning nobody if I wish it. I like options in organizational strategies! Yeah -- my son is an LJer too. Don't know if he'd friend me or not (he's just turned 18) ... susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc.
Susan B. Farmer wrote: Does anybody know of any good bookmark management tools? There are a couple of social bookmarking sites. I use http://del.icio.us (all about it here: http://del.icio.us/help/) The advantages are several: - your bookmarks are stored online so it doesn't matter what computer you are using, you will always have access to them - the tags (keywords) you use to describe your bookmarks get compiled into the entire system so you and people who use the same tags as you can find things you have bookmarked--spreading the work and the wealth, as it were (i's called building folksonomies, i.e taxonomies or naming conventions determined by the people who use them instead of by an authority) - if you use the Firefox web browser (http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/) there is an add-on that works with del.icio.us that let's you add a button to your toolbar so you can add bookmarks with the click of a mouse - you can build a network of people with whom you want to share bookmarks, and they can share their bookmarks with you - and then there are the cool things related to RSS that let you pour your bookmarks into your blog and such--but let's not get carried away... We now return you to your regularly scheduled sewing... - Hope ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc.
Quoting Hope Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Susan B. Farmer wrote: Does anybody know of any good bookmark management tools? There are a couple of social bookmarking sites. I use http://del.icio.us (all about it here: http://del.icio.us/help/) The advantages are several: thanks! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 523
Have you checked out any art books about Goya? Or try Googling Goya in Images. Or Spanish art galleries. Wasn't he active late 18th century and early 19th c.? Sheridan - Original Message - From: HAGIOS FENUM [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 523 Still looking for some XVIII century Spanish Non Court, nor nobility clothing like artisans, servants,etc. JP -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:54 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 523 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of h-costume digest... ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc.
I am just starting to use this system as well, and it is taking awhile for me to input every bookmark I have, and add in the tags, notes, etc. It will take me a bit of work over some time, but it looks like it is worth doing. But I wanted to comment that the Firefox add on has also been put into the Explorer system as well, as that is what I use. Kimiko Hope Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - if you use the Firefox web browser (http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/) there is an add-on that works with del.icio.us that let's you add a button to your toolbar so you can add bookmarks with the click of a mouse - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 523
Yes he was. I posted a url to his paintings. De -Original Message- Have you checked out any art books about Goya? Or try Googling Goya in Images. Or Spanish art galleries. Wasn't he active late 18th century and early 19th c.? Sheridan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
