RE: [h-cost] linen vs. cotton; was: Just a test

2007-08-20 Thread Sharon Collier
I put thin fishing line in the outside edge of the ruffle of my new chemise.
Went through the wash just fine, just needed a little finger tweaking,
dripped dry. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Melanie Schuessler
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 1:41 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] linen vs. cotton; was: Just a test

Ooh.  I'm not much of a camper, but I've already got plans for next time to
make things a bit better.  I'll add that to the list.

On a costume note, I would like to once again put in a vote for linen  
over cotton as being the coolest thing around when it's ghastly hot.   
I could definitely tell the difference between my old cotton chemises and my
new linen ones!  And my new kirtles are all linen as well, thank goodness.

Also, though I haven't put it through the wash a bunch of times yet, I have
hopes for my new linen shirt, which has a ruffle at the top of the collar.
My old cotton one turns into a bunch of tiny crinkles every time I wash it,
and I have to iron it out and spray-starch it to get it to behave nicely.
Note that these are not starched ruffs in the formal figure eights, just
small ruffles.  The new linen one is cut with the long edge of the ruffle on
the long grain of the fabric (parallel to the selvedge), which is what
Arnold noted in her study of existing 17th-century ruffs.  Even in the
horrifying heat and humidity--I think I got wet in the rain, too--that
ruffle stayed nice and sproingy (that's a technical term).  Even though it
will soften with repeated washings, I think the relative stiffness of the
linen and the strength of the grain will help hold it out better than the
cotton one.

Melanie Schuessler


On Aug 13, 2007, at 12:54 PM, otsisto wrote:

 Small note for the future. Coleman makes battery operated tent ceiling 
 fans.
 :)

 -Original Message-
 Definitely too much rain.  When not raining, too much heat and 
 humidity!  But I had a great time all the same.

 Melanie Schuessler


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RE: [h-cost] help with fashion parade?

2007-08-20 Thread Sharon Collier
The Way We Wore 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of A Gardiner-Garden
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:36 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] help with fashion parade?

I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade -
showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas?  
And ideas how to go about it? It will be held in public next year - I'm
trying to put a proposal together.

Thanks, Aylwen
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Re: [h-cost] Demara sugar, Was Ice

2007-08-20 Thread Robin Netherton

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Helen Pinto wrote:

 I was in my local supermarket this afternoon getting baking soda
 for the fridge, and guess what was on the shelf next to the brown 
 sugar and confectioners' sugar?  Re-sealable pound sacks of 
 Domino brand Demerara sugar for $2.29.  
 This is not an upscale foodie market, just a regular Giant Eagle.
 Yours may have it, too.

In the last few years I've seen it at some supermarkets. (Haven't seen the
bags here in St. Louis; the local stores tried the Domino tube packets,
and discontinued them; I think no one here had any idea what they'd be
used for.) Even so, it's sold at gourmet prices. Domino's line is cheaper
than most, but it's still pretty expensive.

Right now, at Tesco (the UK equivalent of Giant), a kilo bag of demerara
is as low as 1.09 pounds sterling -- which translates to about 90 cents US
per pound (weight). For comparison, at Tesco the white granulated sugar is
72 pence per kilo (64 cents per pound), and brown sugar is 99 pence per
kilo (89 cents per pound). So it's barely more expensive than other sugars
in the UK. (I'm quoting the cheapest store-brand price on all of these.)
In the U.S., food prices are generally lower, and I get white sugar for 40
cents per pound, and brown sugar for 50 cents per pound when I catch a
sale. So $2.29 per pound bag of demerara makes it a luxury sugar.

Fortunately I see British friends at least once a year, and someone
usually has a bag of demerara stashed in their luggage for me.

--Robin


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[h-cost] Save the date -- Oregon lecture event

2007-08-20 Thread Robin Netherton

(OK to forward this post to individuals and other lists.)

For those who may be interested: I'll be doing a day of lectures in
Eugene, Oregon, on Saturday, October 20. The official announcement is due
out soon, and I'll update the list when it's posted, but I figured some
people might need the extra notice.

I'll be speaking on these topics:

 -- The Gothic Fitted Dress
 -- The Greenland Gored Gown
 -- The Fifteenth-Century V-neck Gown
 -- When Medieval Meets Victorian: The Roots of Modern Costume Sources
 -- Saintly Inspiration: Using Medieval Religious Figures for Costume
Research

(I realize many of you have already seen some of these lectures, but then,
apparently plenty of people haven't, as this was what the hosting group
requested!)

This is half of a two-day event. On Sunday, October 21, the speaker will
be Tammie Dupuis of The Renaissance Tailor. I do not know her topics, I'm
afraid.

I have no idea what the fee will be or whether you pay for the two days
separately or both together. When the announcement comes, we'll all find
out.

However, if you want to be on the waiting list and get direct
notification, you can send a request to Jamie Parker,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .

More when I know more.


==
Robin Netherton 
Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[h-cost] re:iced drinks

2007-08-20 Thread picmajik
I went to England the first week of June (great trip but too short) with a 
school trip from Atlanta and I was surprised to find that in most of the 
restaurants I was able to get Diet Coke with one ice cube and a slice of 
lemon--just the way I like it and never asked for it that way. Most drinks are 
cold from the fountain/dispenser so I didn't need extra ice. 
However, we did have one from our group ask for sweet iced tea and it caused a 
major production number. The Georgian was able to get the sweet iced tea but 
when our tour guide wanted one to try that seemed to have been a major act of 
treason and they refused to serve him one.
At least I was able to get Coke as a back up option but at home I drink Diet 
Coke 1/2 the time, sweet tea 1/2 the time.
You think it's hard finding sweet tea North of the Mason-Dixon line? Try 
finding sweet tea in Florida! Once you get south of the panhandle you are no 
longer in the South as far as food and drink are concerned. I did run into one 
nice waiter in Orlando who was from Georgia and he agreed to make me a pitcher 
of sweet tea. He got a nice tip!




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RE: [h-cost] help with fashion parade?

2007-08-20 Thread Bambi TBNL
WE
I was going to suggest, 
The once and future fashion but my goodness...If I were picking,
The Way We Wore is much much better.
oh wait...nobody asked me to vote.., still Sharon, that is Brilliant!

Bambi

Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Way We Wore 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of A Gardiner-Garden
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:36 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] help with fashion parade?

I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade -
showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas?  
And ideas how to go about it? It will be held in public next year - I'm
trying to put a proposal together.

Thanks, Aylwen
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Re: [h-cost] help with fashion parade?

2007-08-20 Thread Lynn Downward
Isn't that already a book? would there be any copyright problems using it?

Lynn

On 8/19/07, Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The Way We Wore

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of A Gardiner-Garden
 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:36 AM
 To: Historical Costume
 Subject: [h-cost] help with fashion parade?

 I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade -
 showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas?
 And ideas how to go about it? It will be held in public next year - I'm
 trying to put a proposal together.

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Re: [h-cost] help with fashion parade?

2007-08-20 Thread Lynn Downward
I agree, I liked it a lot! I just wondered no flame meant.
Luckily, Sharon knows me and knows I wouldn't get snippy at her.

Lynn

On 8/20/07, Bambi TBNL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 WE
 I was going to suggest,
 The once and future fashion but my goodness...If I were picking,
 The Way We Wore is much much better.
 oh wait...nobody asked me to vote.., still Sharon, that is Brilliant!

 Bambi

 Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Way We Wore

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 Behalf Of A Gardiner-Garden
 Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 3:36 AM
 To: Historical Costume
 Subject: [h-cost] help with fashion parade?

 I'm trying to think of catchy names for a historical fashion parade -
 showing under and outer garments from the last 500 years. Any ideas?
 And ideas how to go about it? It will be held in public next year - I'm
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RE: [h-cost] linen , the question

2007-08-20 Thread Bambi TBNL
Question,
Does anyone have (for lack of a better term) a recipe for setting pleats in 
linen with vinegar?
I know it can be done..I know the Ancient Egyptians did it to crystal pleat 
their shear linen, and I know the Turks seemed to have it down in the 16th c to 
 do their shirts but i have no idea what the proportions might be the the 
general concept of breaking down the cellulose ,to then set what ever it was 
you were setting and then rinse it out, is a sound chemical concept.
Oh and anyone have sources for sheer linen?
Bambi

Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I put thin fishing line in the 
outside edge of the ruffle of my new chemise.
Went through the wash just fine, just needed a little finger tweaking,
dripped dry. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Melanie Schuessler
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 1:41 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] linen vs. cotton; was: Just a test

Ooh.  I'm not much of a camper, but I've already got plans for next time to
make things a bit better.  I'll add that to the list.

On a costume note, I would like to once again put in a vote for linen  
over cotton as being the coolest thing around when it's ghastly hot.   
I could definitely tell the difference between my old cotton chemises and my
new linen ones!  And my new kirtles are all linen as well, thank goodness.

Also, though I haven't put it through the wash a bunch of times yet, I have
hopes for my new linen shirt, which has a ruffle at the top of the collar.
My old cotton one turns into a bunch of tiny crinkles every time I wash it,
and I have to iron it out and spray-starch it to get it to behave nicely.
Note that these are not starched ruffs in the formal figure eights, just
small ruffles.  The new linen one is cut with the long edge of the ruffle on
the long grain of the fabric (parallel to the selvedge), which is what
Arnold noted in her study of existing 17th-century ruffs.  Even in the
horrifying heat and humidity--I think I got wet in the rain, too--that
ruffle stayed nice and sproingy (that's a technical term).  Even though it
will soften with repeated washings, I think the relative stiffness of the
linen and the strength of the grain will help hold it out better than the
cotton one.

Melanie Schuessler


On Aug 13, 2007, at 12:54 PM, otsisto wrote:

 Small note for the future. Coleman makes battery operated tent ceiling 
 fans.
 :)

 -Original Message-
 Definitely too much rain.  When not raining, too much heat and 
 humidity!  But I had a great time all the same.

 Melanie Schuessler


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RE: [h-cost] help with fashion parade?

2007-08-20 Thread Ann Catelli

--- Bambi TBNL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was going to suggest, 
 The once and future fashion but my goodness...If I
 were picking,
 The Way We Wore is much much better.
 oh wait...nobody asked me to vote.., still Sharon,
 that is Brilliant!
 
 Bambi
 
 Sharon Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The
 Way We Wore 

Costume-Con 18, in Hartford, CT, a few years back, had
the Once and Future Fashion Show, with the Historical
Masquerade (a costume contest) and the Future Fashion
Folio Fashion show, and a few other little odds 
ends.  Very successful show, and nobody had to get
organized to attend 'another' show.

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Re: [h-cost] Save the date -- Oregon lecture event

2007-08-20 Thread Cynthia J Ley
I took the first 3 lectures listed here, plus Robin's sideless surcoat
class, and they and she are AWESOME!! :-D

Also of note, if anyone's going to be in the Portland OR area the weekend
prior--the Rivers campus of the University of Ithra will be hosting a
Roving To Rainment Ithra Oct 13-14. For more information, check back at
www.ithra.antir.sca.org  The info will be going up soon. All classes are
pre-registration, and you will be able to register online.

It's going to be a great week for costuming, folks!

Robin, do you know if people are going to be able to register for the
separate lectures?

Arlys,
Regent, Rivers Ithra

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:41:19 -0500 (CDT) Robin Netherton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 (OK to forward this post to individuals and other lists.)
 
 For those who may be interested: I'll be doing a day of lectures in
 Eugene, Oregon, on Saturday, October 20. The official announcement 
 is due
 out soon, and I'll update the list when it's posted, but I figured 
 some
 people might need the extra notice.
 
 I'll be speaking on these topics:
 
  -- The Gothic Fitted Dress
  -- The Greenland Gored Gown
  -- The Fifteenth-Century V-neck Gown
  -- When Medieval Meets Victorian: The Roots of Modern Costume 
 Sources
  -- Saintly Inspiration: Using Medieval Religious Figures for 
 Costume
   Research
 
 (I realize many of you have already seen some of these lectures, but 
 then,
 apparently plenty of people haven't, as this was what the hosting 
 group
 requested!)
 
 This is half of a two-day event. On Sunday, October 21, the speaker 
 will
 be Tammie Dupuis of The Renaissance Tailor. I do not know her 
 topics, I'm
 afraid.
 
 I have no idea what the fee will be or whether you pay for the two 
 days
 separately or both together. When the announcement comes, we'll all 
 find
 out.
 
 However, if you want to be on the waiting list and get direct
 notification, you can send a request to Jamie Parker,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
 
 More when I know more.
 
 
 ==
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 Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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[h-cost] Coffee, not just for house plants

2007-08-20 Thread stilskin
The posting regarding coffee and tea left-overs on plants reminds me of using 
them as dyes (I have taken white elastic to a skin-tone with tea);

The story that really came to mind, though, comes from an old friend who was 
stationed in Darwin (northern Australia) early in World War Two.

There was little belief the Japanese would attack the mainland so little 
preparation was made and sailors mostly wore thier bright tropical whites.

After the first attack on Darwin, requests were made to naval headquarters for 
less visible uniforms for combat conditions. Headquarters sent back the simple 
signal, boil all uniforms in coffee grounds,

-C.



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Re: [h-cost] help with fashion parade?

2007-08-20 Thread Dawn

Lynn Downward wrote:

Isn't that already a book? would there be any copyright problems using it?



AFAIK titles are not subject to copyrights. Hence the number of books 
titled Costume.


http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ34.html



Dawn

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Re: [h-cost] Coffee, not just for house plants

2007-08-20 Thread AlbertCat
 
In a message dated 8/20/2007 9:10:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

After  the first attack on Darwin, requests were made to naval headquarters 
for  
less visible uniforms for combat conditions. Headquarters sent back the  
simple 
signal, boil all uniforms in coffee  grounds,




*
 
I love stories like that.
 
When I was working on a show that took place in 1865 in Georgia after the  
War had ended. The designer wanted most of the women in black, because just  
about everyone had lost someone in the War and was in mourning of some kind.  
Some of the gowns were made from plaids and florals and then overdyed with a  
black-brown. The idea was women who had lost almost everything because of the  
war...including family members... were dying their regular things with  black 
walnut husks for mourning.



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Re: [h-cost] Save the date -- Oregon lecture event

2007-08-20 Thread Robin Netherton

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Cynthia J Ley wrote:

 I took the first 3 lectures listed here, plus Robin's sideless surcoat
 class, and they and she are AWESOME!! :-D

blush

 Robin, do you know if people are going to be able to register for the
 separate lectures?

No clue. Yet. I'll let you all know more when I know more.

(I just show up with my slides and notes and costumes and pray there's a
projector, screen, and coffee.)

--Robin

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Re: [h-cost] Re: coffee

2007-08-20 Thread Penny Ladnier

Allison,

My mother taught to just add them to the soil's surface.  We always added it 
after the coffee grounds had cooled.  I have had some house plants for over 
20 years.


I have a very green thumb.  When I decided to go back to college, my 
decision between majors was horticulture or fashion.  I decided for fashion 
because I hate working in the heat of August.  Here are two photos of my 
latest pride and joys from my garden.
***9 ft. cannas and 10 ft. tall sunflower.  Neither have been fertilized. 
My son standing in-between the flowers is 6 ft. tall:

http://www.costumegallery.com/flowers/P1060106lg.jpg
***Zinnias and butterfly: 
http://www.costumegallery.com/flowers/P1010010lg.jpg


Penny Ladnier,
Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites
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www.costumelibrary.com
www.costumeclassroom.com
www.costumeencyclopedia.com 


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Re: [h-cost] Re: coffee

2007-08-20 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Monday 20 August 2007, Penny Ladnier wrote:

[snip]

 I have a very green thumb.  When I decided to go back to college, my
 decision between majors was horticulture or fashion.  I decided for fashion
 because I hate working in the heat of August.  Here are two photos of my
 latest pride and joys from my garden.
 ***9 ft. cannas and 10 ft. tall sunflower.  Neither have been fertilized.

Kudos!  I have the world's blackest thumb, myself; I can kill spider plants 
without really trying.


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Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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