RE: [h-cost] Re: Linen costume question
Mourning underwear. Black petticoat for wearing under Ren dress so the dirt doesn't show as much as with lighter fabrics. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Linen costume question I just scored 5 1/3 yards of linen blend at my local Joanne's on clearance for only $3.00/yard! The only trouble is that it is black linen - but I thought "Hey, linen - only $3 - I can make something from that!" My question to the group now - what can I make? I do have linen in other colors as well, but what periods, styles or types of garments could I use with the black? Bodices? Petticoats? Dresses? I'm open to most periods - mostly involved in Renaissance Faires - but also love Regency and late Victorian/ Edwardian. There is no hurry for this -- I just need to know some possiblities. Thanks to y'alls collective wisdom. Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity **The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp0030002565) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
My first reaction is - that looks chilly! Why would you use all that fabric to keep your bum warm and not your torso? It looks more convincing with the shawl, but as Hanna said, the Valkyrie figure seems to have something apron-like in front. My husband has also commented that there is evidence that ordinary women wore tortoise brooches, not just the idle rich, and a train is not very practical when you're working. Anyone read enough Swedish to tell us if the University press release gives any more information? Jean Beth and Bob Matney wrote: There has been a bit of discussion about this on the Norsefolk_2 list. Here is an image of her reconstruction: see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=48 http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 Beth At 01:01 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:39:28 + From: Linda Walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I came across this news item, and thought it might interest some group members:- "Women who lived in the major Viking settlement called Birka in the 9th and 10th centuries dressed in a much more provocative manner than previously believed. ... When the area around Lake Mälaren was Christianized about a century later, women’s dress style became more modest, according to archaeologist Annika Larsson." It's from "The Local - Sweden's News in English" http://www.thelocal.se/9950/20080211/ What a pity there are no pictures of the reconstruction! Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Lavolta Press wrote: > Not my era, but those tortoise brooches are all hollowed, right? Which > argues for them being put over some convex body area. As someone else pointed out, the pin goes through the center hollow, which cuts against a placement over the nipple. The following picture of one of the brooches from the Pskov find is a good example of this: http://pskovarheolog.ru/imgs/docs/68-149.jpg -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > On Feb 12, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > It might > > also depend on whether Viking women bound or otherwise wore > > undergarments > > that supported the breasts (something we really have no data on at > > present). > > Indeed. I notice that the reconstruction is worn over a modern bra. The white showing through does indeed look like a modern bra, but if so it's not a particularly supportive one, in light of how low the model's bustline has sagged. > It's also interesting that the article says the brooches (called > buckles in the article) were worn "centrally" over the breast (which > presumably means right over the nipple--ouch) That seems to be Larsson's theory judging from the reconstruction picture. She seems to think this is a better explanation than the shifting of the brooches as the body decomposed in the grave (typically the reason cited for brooches found at waist level)--but note that the model in the picture has large breasts that have sagged low enough to be close to the waist. On a small breasted woman, or a woman whose breasts were supported, or even on a very long-waisted woman, it wouldn't be possible to position the brooches near the natural waist and have them anywhere close to nipple level. > , but the same sentence > implies that the brooches were generally found at waist level. > Perhaps they assume that all Viking women had very large and/or saggy > breasts at death? To those who study the drawings of these grave > finds: is it true that the brooches generally show up at waist level > rather than farther up the torso? It varies. A friend on another list sent photos of two examples of brooches in situ (some of these are reconstructions of how the skeletons & brooches were found): Gotland http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/grave%20plans/HPIM1392.jpg Birka http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z123/Castlegrounds/grave%20plans/taf40fig5grave968.jpg Here's a picture I found of the Adwick-le-Street woman's grave, though this is harder to parse, but it is genuinely in situ: http://www.show.me.uk/site/news/STO201.html Reconstruction of a Viking woman's grave from the Isle of Lewis: http://www.cne-siar.gov.uk/school/tolstaprimary/2004site/vikings/vikingsburials2.htm > I have to say I don't think I've > ever seen anyone in re-enacting circles wear them as high as the > collarbone (cited in the article as the location that this new theory > is debunking). Depends on what she means by collarbone and where she's measuring from. Possibly it depends on the strap arrangement as well. On my double-wrapped apron dresses the top of the brooches rides near my collarbones (though out toward the end of my collarbones, near the armpits), because the dress is most secure that way. > I also wonder about Larsson's assertion that what was thought to be > the front of the garment was actually the back. I don't buy it for the Pskov find, at least. It would be insane to bother to sew lengths of precious red and blue silk to your linen apron dress and then put that part of the dress at the small of your back, where only cowards sneaking up on you would be likely to see it. > I know that > archeology is complicated and that the passage of time obscures many > things and that fabric is often ignored during excavation, making it > difficult to determine where things were later on, but still... > > Very interesting topic! Indeed. -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
Sounds about right. The circular style brooches (Skrydstrup Brooch,scroll down) http://www.nordicarts.com/viking_brooches_01_HUB.htm would more likely have been used but I have seen some at SCA events use the tortoise brooch instead because that is what they had. I have come to understand that brooch style may vary from region to region and sometimes town to town. -Original Message- Do you mean that the collarbone-location style referred to in the article is more like a peplos? Were these large brooches worn with those? The people I mentioned that I've seen were wearing dresses with straps and the brooches somewhere between the collarbone and the nipple. Thanks, Melanie On Feb 12, 2008, at 5:55 PM, otsisto wrote: > That is more of a "Celtic" and Roman style with tubular apron and > no straps. > > -Original Message- > I have to say I don't think I've > ever seen anyone in re-enacting circles wear them as high as the > collarbone (cited in the article as the location that this new theory > is debunking). > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Hanna Zickermann wrote: > That´s the most beautiful Viking/Rus outfit I´ve > seen so far! But when I suggested the look to an > SCA friend for court garb, she pointed out the > little string that holds the upper edge together > quite awquardly, and there would be strain on the > pearl string if you remove that little string. > However, that Valkyria figure next to the photo > with the shawl looks pretty much like that > outfit, but appears to have a small apron or so > in front. Could it be that there were decorative > aprons or bibs that went with this outfit and > were not included in the box found in Russia? What do you think? There's certainly evidence that aprons (i.e., of the type that fastened around the waist and covered the front of the body from the waist down) were worn in Finland and other regions around the Baltic. However, it's worth noting that the Pskov find was not trimmed along the open long edge, but along the top (with appliqued-on silk strips that were fairly wide). The Pskov reconstructionists found stitch holes that they identified with where the fastening loops were sewn on, and this matched up with the direction in which the silk appliques ran. If the Pskov garment were assumed to be like the "apron dress" in Larsson's reconstruction, the silk-decorated area would hardly have shown in the front at all--it would have run across the small of the woman's back. -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
Do you mean that the collarbone-location style referred to in the article is more like a peplos? Were these large brooches worn with those? The people I mentioned that I've seen were wearing dresses with straps and the brooches somewhere between the collarbone and the nipple. Thanks, Melanie On Feb 12, 2008, at 5:55 PM, otsisto wrote: That is more of a "Celtic" and Roman style with tubular apron and no straps. -Original Message- I have to say I don't think I've ever seen anyone in re-enacting circles wear them as high as the collarbone (cited in the article as the location that this new theory is debunking). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Origin of velvet
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Okay, I know this is going to be one of those simple questions with a > complicated answer, but I was just curious about when and where velvet was > invented? Specifically, would velvet or something similar have been > available, even to the very rich, in Constantinople around 800 AD? If not, > when and where do we first have evidence of it? This is for a story I'm > writing rather than a costume I'm building, so any information would be > useful. There's an article on this with a brief bibliography from Stefan's Florilegium (a compendium of SCA e-mail posts and articles on various topics): http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/Hst-of-Velvet-art.html -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
That is more of a "Celtic" and Roman style with tubular apron and no straps. -Original Message- I have to say I don't think I've ever seen anyone in re-enacting circles wear them as high as the collarbone (cited in the article as the location that this new theory is debunking). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
On Feb 12, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: It might also depend on whether Viking women bound or otherwise wore undergarments that supported the breasts (something we really have no data on at present). Indeed. I notice that the reconstruction is worn over a modern bra. It's also interesting that the article says the brooches (called buckles in the article) were worn "centrally" over the breast (which presumably means right over the nipple--ouch), but the same sentence implies that the brooches were generally found at waist level. Perhaps they assume that all Viking women had very large and/or saggy breasts at death? To those who study the drawings of these grave finds: is it true that the brooches generally show up at waist level rather than farther up the torso? I have to say I don't think I've ever seen anyone in re-enacting circles wear them as high as the collarbone (cited in the article as the location that this new theory is debunking). I also wonder about Larsson's assertion that what was thought to be the front of the garment was actually the back. I know that archeology is complicated and that the passage of time obscures many things and that fabric is often ignored during excavation, making it difficult to determine where things were later on, but still... Very interesting topic! Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 7, Issue 57
that Valkyria figure next to the photo with the shawl Those little Valkyrie figures date from the Migration period and should not be used to extrapolate Viking garb. Nancy Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) **The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp0030002565) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Origin of velvet
Yes, it does have a complicated answer. Scholars are still debating it. Try this website: http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/Hst-of-Velvet-art.html for a mention of velvet as early as 948 AD in Moorish Spain. But it might have existed on Constantinople earlier, but silk velvet doesn't seem to have been known in Europe before the 12th century. Hope this helps! Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Origin of velvet Okay, I know this is going to be one of those simple questions with a complicated answer, but I was just curious about when and where velvet was invented? Specifically, would velvet or something similar have been available, even to the very rich, in Constantinople around 800 AD? If not, when and where do we first have evidence of it? This is for a story I'm writing rather than a costume I'm building, so any information would be useful. Thanks for your collective wisdom and generosity! Tea Rose More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Origin of velvet
Okay, I know this is going to be one of those simple questions with a complicated answer, but I was just curious about when and where velvet was invented? Specifically, would velvet or something similar have been available, even to the very rich, in Constantinople around 800 AD? If not, when and where do we first have evidence of it? This is for a story I'm writing rather than a costume I'm building, so any information would be useful. Thanks for your collective wisdom and generosity! Tea Rose More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
That´s the most beautiful Viking/Rus outfit I´ve seen so far! But when I suggested the look to an SCA friend for court garb, she pointed out the little string that holds the upper edge together quite awquardly, and there would be strain on the pearl string if you remove that little string. However, that Valkyria figure next to the photo with the shawl looks pretty much like that outfit, but appears to have a small apron or so in front. Could it be that there were decorative aprons or bibs that went with this outfit and were not included in the box found in Russia? What do you think? At 22:28 12.02.2008, you wrote: On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Margo Anderson wrote: > This reconstruction isn't what I would describe as "provocative" by > modern standards! Just goes to show what to what lengths the media > will go to to sex things up. True, it's not provocative by modern standards, but to be fair to the poor reporter consider this: if Viking women normally covered their breasts with at least two layers of clothing, having just a thin linen shift over them might register as "sexy" (In the same way that, at the height of the Victorian period, an unexpected amount of legshow when the woman was in day dress registered as "sexy.") Whether the single-layer-over-the-breasts look was unique to the kind of costume Larsson posits would depend on how common it really was for women other than slaves to wear only a single garment over the breasts. It might also depend on whether Viking women bound or otherwise wore undergarments that supported the breasts (something we really have no data on at present). -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm curious -- has Thora Sharptooth weighed in on this on Norsefolk? I'd be > interested in her thoughts. Lauren Not yet--though I expect she will eventually. It's possible she hasn't seen a photo of Larssen's proposed reconstruction yet. -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Linen costume question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Hey, linen - only $3 - I can make something from that!" My question to the group now - what can I make? I do have linen in other colors as well, but what periods, styles or types of garments could I use with the black? It'll always be good as a lining. IIRC the English Tudor period had a lot of dark colors, it might be suitable as an undergown, or the lining to a velvet or wool overgown. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
I'm curious -- has Thora Sharptooth weighed in on this on Norsefolk? I'd be interested in her thoughts. Lauren -- Original message -- From: Beth and Bob Matney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > There has been a bit of discussion about this on > the Norsefolk_2 list. Here is an image of her reconstruction: > > see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=48 > http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 > > Beth > > At 01:01 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote: > >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:39:28 + > >From: Linda Walton > > > >I came across this news item, and thought it might interest some group > >members:- > > > >"Women who lived in the major Viking settlement called Birka in the 9th > >and 10th centuries dressed in a much more provocative manner than > >previously believed. ... When the area around Lake Mälaren was > >Christianized about a century later, womens dress style became more > >modest, according to archaeologist Annika Larsson." > > > >It's from "The Local - Sweden's News in English" > >http://www.thelocal.se/9950/20080211/ > > > >What a pity there are no pictures of the reconstruction! > > > >Linda Walton, > >(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Linen costume question
My first thought would be to go with the late Victorian/Edwardian. You have to be careful with mourning customs earlier, but thanks to Queen Victoria, by then it had become fashionable to spend your life in mourning -- or just look like you were. And 5 1/3 yards might get you to a late Vict. gown or walking suit or walking skirt -- probably too little for a mid-century giant hoopskirt, but once they narrow back down again somewhat you're in the ballpark. Anyway, enjoy! -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I just scored 5 1/3 yards of linen blend at my local Joanne's on clearance > for only $3.00/yard! The only trouble is that it is black linen - but I > thought "Hey, linen - only $3 - I can make something from that!" My question > to > the group now - what can I make? I do have linen in other colors as well, but > what periods, styles or types of garments could I use with the black? > Bodices? Petticoats? Dresses? I'm open to most periods - mostly involved in > Renaissance Faires - but also love Regency and late Victorian/ Edwardian. > There > is no hurry for this -- I just need to know some possiblities. > > Thanks to y'alls collective wisdom. > > Donna Scarfe > Fyne Hats By Felicity > > > > **The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy > Awards. Go to AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp0030002565) > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Margo Anderson wrote: > This reconstruction isn't what I would describe as "provocative" by > modern standards! Just goes to show what to what lengths the media > will go to to sex things up. True, it's not provocative by modern standards, but to be fair to the poor reporter consider this: if Viking women normally covered their breasts with at least two layers of clothing, having just a thin linen shift over them might register as "sexy" (In the same way that, at the height of the Victorian period, an unexpected amount of legshow when the woman was in day dress registered as "sexy.") Whether the single-layer-over-the-breasts look was unique to the kind of costume Larsson posits would depend on how common it really was for women other than slaves to wear only a single garment over the breasts. It might also depend on whether Viking women bound or otherwise wore undergarments that supported the breasts (something we really have no data on at present). -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
On Tuesday 12 February 2008, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > There has been a bit of discussion about this on > the Norsefolk_2 list. Here is an image of her reconstruction: > > see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=48 > http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 Thanks for the image! Interesting. -- Cathy Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "You affect the world by what you browse."-- Tim Berners-Lee ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
I'm not sure what you are saying but if you are saying that the tortoise brooches were worn over the mammary because they are "bowl" like, this would be incorrect because there is a vertical pin in it. -Original Message- Discoveries Not my era, but those tortoise brooches are all hollowed, right? Which argues for them being put over some convex body area. Also, I came across this interesting link: http://www3.baylor.edu/~Chris_Marsh/risala.htm In section 82 there are two references to females wearing metal or wooden "boxes" on, specifically, their breasts. Fran Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > There has been a bit of discussion about this on the Norsefolk_2 list. > Here is an image of her reconstruction: > > see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=48 > http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 > > Beth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
This reconstruction isn't what I would describe as "provocative" by modern standards! Just goes to show what to what lengths the media will go to to sex things up. Margo ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Linen costume question
I just scored 5 1/3 yards of linen blend at my local Joanne's on clearance for only $3.00/yard! The only trouble is that it is black linen - but I thought "Hey, linen - only $3 - I can make something from that!" My question to the group now - what can I make? I do have linen in other colors as well, but what periods, styles or types of garments could I use with the black? Bodices? Petticoats? Dresses? I'm open to most periods - mostly involved in Renaissance Faires - but also love Regency and late Victorian/ Edwardian. There is no hurry for this -- I just need to know some possiblities. Thanks to y'alls collective wisdom. Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity **The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp0030002565) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
Not my era, but those tortoise brooches are all hollowed, right? Which argues for them being put over some convex body area. Also, I came across this interesting link: http://www3.baylor.edu/~Chris_Marsh/risala.htm In section 82 there are two references to females wearing metal or wooden "boxes" on, specifically, their breasts. Fran Beth and Bob Matney wrote: There has been a bit of discussion about this on the Norsefolk_2 list. Here is an image of her reconstruction: see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=48 http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 Beth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
Thanks for the link. This is a simple in shape, but effective look. I haven't been able to attend the Eastern Nebraska/Western Iowa Renfaire for the last couple of years, but there was a group in Tartar(our Middle Ages era)costume, complete with weaponry, the last time I was there. With the Northern Europe and Germanic ancestries of many Nebraskans and Iowans, I'm surprised not more attendees choose their own ancestral costumes. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beth and Bob Matney Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries There has been a bit of discussion about this on the Norsefolk_2 list. Here is an image of her reconstruction: see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=48 http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 Beth At 01:01 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:39:28 + >From: Linda Walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I came across this news item, and thought it might interest some group >members:- > >"Women who lived in the major Viking settlement called Birka in the 9th >and 10th centuries dressed in a much more provocative manner than >previously believed. ... When the area around Lake Mälaren was >Christianized about a century later, women's dress style became more >modest, according to archaeologist Annika Larsson." > >It's from "The Local - Sweden's News in English" >http://www.thelocal.se/9950/20080211/ > >What a pity there are no pictures of the reconstruction! > >Linda Walton, >(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 14th C. hairnets
At 01:01 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote: Where did you find the addition information? Astrid It was posted by a member of another list (75 years) in response to my request for additional information from the original article in Waffen... (see bottom of photos for citation). I have not seen that article myself... which is in German (would love to get a copy). Contact me off list if you wish to speak to her directly. Beth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Lövsta Gård in Sweden
Gustafs Skål invited to a small winter party at Lövsta Gård on the second of february this year. It was very cosy and intimate because we were not as manny people as usually when they invite to partys at Beatelund. I compleately forgot to take pictures, but a lady borrowed my camera, and ended up with these pictures: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/lovstagard.htm The party started at 3 o clock in the afternoon, but the people i drowe with, had to work to afternoon, so we came a little late, about 5.30. It was very far out in the countryside, and it was a snowblitz, but we came safely to the place. A charming old farm with lovely interriors in the 18th century style. Wonderfull food and wonderfull entertaintment, dansing and gambling, killed the night. Thanks to the organisers and the wonderfull place they found. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
There has been a bit of discussion about this on the Norsefolk_2 list. Here is an image of her reconstruction: see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=48 http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 Beth At 01:01 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:39:28 + From: Linda Walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I came across this news item, and thought it might interest some group members:- "Women who lived in the major Viking settlement called Birka in the 9th and 10th centuries dressed in a much more provocative manner than previously believed. ... When the area around Lake Mälaren was Christianized about a century later, womens dress style became more modest, according to archaeologist Annika Larsson." It's from "The Local - Sweden's News in English" http://www.thelocal.se/9950/20080211/ What a pity there are no pictures of the reconstruction! Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Thank You Albert (OT) plus some Miss America info
Ours got to keep the flyspace but the "garage door" between the shop and stage is only 10x10 so we still have to build everything On stage..just as we always had to in the little theater.. When a show is up for performance, the costumes are hanging out there in the shop and it is a trial to keep the actors/construction crew from grabbing the nearest 'cloth' for a paint mop up. The red liner also found no reason to connect the lights on the catwalk to the lighting booth. So the poor light guys have to climb the flyspace 4 stories to access the overheads and then return to the lightbooth in the back of the auditorium to check and run the board. Don't know if it was a tech problem or not but the fall curtain was never used the first 3 years the Theater was open. It may be that no one (even the first Tech director)knew how to "fly" them or anything else. That has changed, at least, and the current director puts all his equipment through the paces. And he got a clotheswasher installed! It is in the carpenter shop...but what the heck! Kathleen - Original Message - From: "Sharon Collier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Historical Costume'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:48 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Thank You Albert (OT) plus some Miss America info A good case is the Mountain View performing Arts Center. It was designed with a lovely fly loft. But a city architect thought the fly loft spoiled the "look" of the building, so he cut it down by half. (at least, that's the story I heard, but it is so believable) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael tartaglio Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Thank You Albert (OT) plus some Miss America info Amen, Brother! I am constantly amazed by how much these "theater design professionals" make on designing such non-functional crap. I have been in only a few places that really show some (pardon the phrase) intelligent design. On a good note, our Brother and Sister writers will hopefully soon be back. As a side note, any one interested in some pics of Miss America gowns? The MAP is moving their offices from one of the venues I'm working at. The gowns and some shoes (from the "show us your shoes" schtick of the MA parade) will probably not be there long. There are about 7 gowns and 15 pairs of (mostly silly) shoes. Let me know within a few days and I'll take a camera in and snap some pics. Cheers, Mike T. And theatres are designed by people who have never done anything but sit in the audience. Back stage! We need some back stage space please Not just in the wings. It would be nice to not have to go out in the parking lot to cross from stage left to stage right during a performance. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Costume shop
Hey, this makes sense! I"ll pass this on to the present shop steward. Kathleen - Original Message - From: "Sharon Collier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Historical Costume'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume shop The kitchenette was for washing out paint brushes, of course, and the other part was for making food for use onstage. (white bread with an apricot half for "eggs", etc.), and for heating the dye water. Tee-hee :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LLOYD MITCHELL Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:52 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume shop And how about the "Greenroom"...located in the main lobby; but painted green...with a little kitchenette for ? Kathleen - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume shop In a message dated 2/11/2008 11:09:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think most costume shops were designed by someone who had never been IN one, much less worked in one! And theatres are designed by people who have never done anything but sit in the audience. Back stage! We need some back stage space please Not just in the wings. It would be nice to not have to go out in the parking lot to cross from stage left to stage right during a performance. **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0 0300025 48) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
