Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic?
Yes, I understand that - I posted the original image link. I was looking for someone who could tell me what the "attempted" period, country was so that I could research it further. Thanks Sg > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:49:21 -0800 > From: reginalaws...@gmail.com > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? > > That is S.C.A. A.D.2000, actually. The picture is from an SCA Photo Album > web page. > http://sca.berkeley.edu/album/2003_00_and_previous_years/imagelist.html > > Ever, > Regina in L.A. > > > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:11:36 -0700 > > From: Saragrace Knauf > > Subject: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? > > > Can anyone tell me what the guy in the blue tunic is wearing? I > > guess that would be Rahim > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic?
The front-and-back split tunic is classically Norman, because fighting on horseback was such a distinguishing feature of the ruling class, so it's distinct from the preceding Saxon style. The deep edging round hem, cuffs and neckline is seen as a plain facing in Norman dress, lots of fancy embroidery is more Saxon / Viking / Germanic (Normans emphatically do NOT do bling!) The baggy trousers and boots might imply the wearer is aiming for Russ Viking, but a Russ tunic would have wide skirts rather than a split. Jean Saragrace Knauf wrote: Yes, I understand that - I posted the original image link. I was looking for someone who could tell me what the "attempted" period, country was so that I could research it further. Thanks Sg Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:49:21 -0800 From: reginalaws...@gmail.com To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? That is S.C.A. A.D.2000, actually. The picture is from an SCA Photo Album web page. http://sca.berkeley.edu/album/2003_00_and_previous_years/imagelist.html Ever, Regina in L.A. Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:11:36 -0700 From: Saragrace Knauf Subject: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? Can anyone tell me what the guy in the blue tunic is wearing? I guess that would be Rahim ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing?
The almost finished kirtle for the new kirtle and ropa I'm hoping to have finished sometime before the end of Southern Faire. I keep trying to get pictures, but everythinhg darkens and flattens out in the available light, so photos will wait till I can get it outside. Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 ISBN 978-0-9818401-0-9 Available at http://elizabethan.org/compendium/paperback.html See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger < costu...@radiks.net> wrote: > The various hangers have a couple of Folkwear Egyptian shirts made floor > length, and a basic tunic with a Grecian feel, both for Costume Con in May. > > Sandy > > At 06:24 PM 2/20/2009, you wrote: > >> It's Oscar weekend, theater season, it's almost spring. There must be >> something! >> --cin >> Cynthia Barnes >> cinbar...@gmail.com >> > > "Those Who Fail to Learn History > Are Doomed to Repeat It; > Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly - > Why They Are Simply Doomed." > > Achemdro'hm > "The Illusion of Historical Fact" > -- C. Y. 4971 > > Andromeda > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing?
LOL! My fair lady is wearing a white cap, a white princess petticoat and a red corset. She's not ready for the Oscars. It's Oscar weekend, theater season, it's almost spring. There must be something! Happy sewing, Deb Salisbury The Mantua-Maker Designer and creator of quality historical sewing patterns Renaissance to Victorian Now available: Elephant's Breath and London Smoke: Historical Colors, Names, Definitions & Uses www.mantua-maker.com http://mantua-maker-patterns.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing?
One is wearing a corset / waist cincher in a fairly odd fabric that I found and quite liked (sort of green camo pattern with flocked leaves). One is wearing the corset that should ahve gone under my wedding dress, (but I threw a tantrum over the design and started the bodice from scratch...). One (male) is wearing one of a pair of early roughly 1901 British Navy captain's uniforms that we rescued from a theatrical costumers that was closing in Leeds. They'd been adapted for either quick change or on-stage ripping, and had been split up the back and velcro added. They'd also been astonishingly badly repaired at some stage. I'm putting them back to what they should be like, (removing the bad repair work generally) and conserving where it's needed (re-inforcing the odd rip using conservation fabric, and pulling out the horrific nylon linins, etc). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic?
Ah ha! That was what I thought - thank you. One of the details I am interested in is the side "kick pleat" >The baggy trousers and boots might imply > the wearer is aiming for Russ Viking, but a Russ tunic would have wide > skirts rather than a split. http://tinyurl.com/cjb8dt > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:33:15 + > From: anne.montgome...@googlemail.com > To: h-cost...@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic?
That wouldnt be a 'kick pleat'. The tunic probably has a gore(s) set into the side seam. When it's hanging down, it can give the appearanced of a pleat. Karen Seamstrix -- Saragrace Knauf wrote: Ah ha! That was what I thought - thank you. One of the details I am interested in is the side "kick pleat" >The baggy trousers and boots might imply > the wearer is aiming for Russ Viking, but a Russ tunic would have wide > skirts rather than a split. http://tinyurl.com/cjb8dt > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:33:15 + > From: anne.montgome...@googlemail.com > To: h-cost...@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIzQaa3eDfz0DZR7g3rroygQeciFEEjpy6u49XElEmyuWNwp6GTcc/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Gore training: was: What period/country etc is this tunic?
Hmm, I can see what you are saying. You'd have to "train the gore" to lie like that right? I mean when I put a gore in it usually doesn't fold up on itself like that. This looks like it comes to a point on the outside and the underlying fabric is tucked back underneath it like a pleat almost creating a facing for the slit/point. Now, on the other hand, I recently draped some wool where it did just this. The only reason I am pushing the point, is I like the look but am suspicious of the authenticity of the way it is made/looks. Sg > From: seamst...@juno.com > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:07:21 + > To: h-cost...@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? > > That wouldnt be a 'kick pleat'. The tunic probably has a gore(s) set into the > side seam. When it's hanging down, it can give the appearanced of a pleat. > > Karen > Seamstrix > > > -- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ah ha! That was what I thought - thank you. One of the details I am > interested in is the side "kick pleat" > > >The baggy trousers and boots might imply > > the wearer is aiming for Russ Viking, but a Russ tunic would have wide > > skirts rather than a split. > > http://tinyurl.com/cjb8dt > > > > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:33:15 + > > From: anne.montgome...@googlemail.com > > To: h-cost...@indra.com > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? > > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIzQaa3eDfz0DZR7g3rroygQeciFEEjpy6u49XElEmyuWNwp6GTcc/ > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Gore training: was: What period/country etc is this tunic?
I think it has just fallen into a pleat because of the way he has hiked the tunic up into his belt, and the fact that the trim looks to be stiffer than the main fabric, so it folds rather than gathering or rippling. It might also have a fold in the trim from how he has kept it in the cupboard! The standard pattern for an early medieval tunic or dress (exactly the same except for length) is a four-gore t-tunic, like the "Nockert Type 1" on Marc Carlson's pages http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/cloth/tunics.html (be warned, some of the links on these pages no longer work). When you make a centre-split tunic, you just miss out the front and back gores. And it's really hard to make the split hang straight. You need the side gores for movement, but when he stands still, the centre either crosses or hangs open. Tweaking it with the belt is the only option, and if the front goes right, the sides will go wrong. Jean Saragrace Knauf wrote: Hmm, I can see what you are saying. You'd have to "train the gore" to lie like that right? I mean when I put a gore in it usually doesn't fold up on itself like that. This looks like it comes to a point on the outside and the underlying fabric is tucked back underneath it like a pleat almost creating a facing for the slit/point. Now, on the other hand, I recently draped some wool where it did just this. The only reason I am pushing the point, is I like the look but am suspicious of the authenticity of the way it is made/looks. Sg From: seamst...@juno.com Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:07:21 + To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? That wouldnt be a 'kick pleat'. The tunic probably has a gore(s) set into the side seam. When it's hanging down, it can give the appearanced of a pleat. Karen Seamstrix -- Saragrace Knauf wrote: Ah ha! That was what I thought - thank you. One of the details I am interested in is the side "kick pleat" The baggy trousers and boots might imply the wearer is aiming for Russ Viking, but a Russ tunic would have wide skirts rather than a split. http://tinyurl.com/cjb8dt Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:33:15 + From: anne.montgome...@googlemail.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIzQaa3eDfz0DZR7g3rroygQeciFEEjpy6u49XElEmyuWNwp6GTcc/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Gore training: was: What period/country etc is this tunic ?
I find that putting simple gores in the sides of tunics tends to create the look without any effort on my part. The type of fabrics used in this style tends to have alot of body and the front and back pieces maintain their shape (relativley speaking) whihc forces the gores to sort of fold up and look 'pleaty'. Am I getting too technical? :) Karen Seamstrix -- Saragrace Knauf wrote: Hmm, I can see what you are saying. You'd have to "train the gore" to lie like that right? I mean when I put a gore in it usually doesn't fold up on itself like that. This looks like it comes to a point on the outside and the underlying fabric is tucked back underneath it like a pleat almost creating a facing for the slit/point. Now, on the other hand, I recently draped some wool where it did just this. The only reason I am pushing the point, is I like the look but am suspicious of the authenticity of the way it is made/looks. Sg > From: seamst...@juno.com > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:07:21 + > To: h-cost...@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? > > That wouldnt be a 'kick pleat'. The tunic probably has a gore(s) set into the > side seam. When it's hanging down, it can give the appearanced of a pleat. > > Karen > Seamstrix > > > -- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ah ha! That was what I thought - thank you. One of the details I am > interested in is the side "kick pleat" > > >The baggy trousers and boots might imply > > the wearer is aiming for Russ Viking, but a Russ tunic would have wide > > skirts rather than a split. > > http://tinyurl.com/cjb8dt > > > > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:33:15 + > > From: anne.montgome...@googlemail.com > > To: h-cost...@indra.com > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? > > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIzQaa3eDfz0DZR7g3rroygQeciFEEjpy6u49XElEmyuWNwp6GTcc/ > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Gore training: was: What period/country etc is this tunic ?
No, not at all! I appreciated all the help I can get! Sg > From: seamst...@juno.com > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:44:58 + > To: h-cost...@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gore training: was: What period/country etc is this > tunic ? > > I find that putting simple gores in the sides of tunics tends to create the > look without any effort on my part. The type of fabrics used in this style > tends to have alot of body and the front and back pieces maintain their shape > (relativley speaking) whihc forces the gores to sort of fold up and look > 'pleaty'. Am I getting too technical? :) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Gore training: was: What period/country etc is this tunic?
Oh thank you! That is very helpful - both the link to Marc's pages and the ifurther information on construction. I am not sure I understand this sentence: >When you make a centre-split tunic, you just miss out the front and back >gores. < Thank you for the pointers! > Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:38:00 + > From: anne.montgome...@googlemail.com > To: h-cost...@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gore training: was: What period/country etc is this > tunic? > > I think it has just fallen into a pleat because of the way he has hiked > the tunic up into his belt, and the fact that the trim looks to be > stiffer than the main fabric, so it folds rather than gathering or > rippling. It might also have a fold in the trim from how he has kept it > in the cupboard! > > The standard pattern for an early medieval tunic or dress (exactly the > same except for length) is a four-gore t-tunic, like the "Nockert Type > 1" on Marc Carlson's pages > http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/cloth/tunics.html (be > warned, some of the links on these pages no longer work). When you make > a centre-split tunic, you just miss out the front and back gores. And > it's really hard to make the split hang straight. You need the side > gores for movement, but when he stands still, the centre either crosses > or hangs open. Tweaking it with the belt is the only option, and if the > front goes right, the sides will go wrong. > > Jean > > Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > Hmm, I can see what you are saying. You'd have to "train the gore" to lie > > like that right? I mean when I put a gore in it usually doesn't fold up on > > itself like that. This looks like it comes to a point on the outside and > > the underlying fabric is tucked back underneath it like a pleat almost > > creating a facing for the slit/point. Now, on the other hand, I recently > > draped some wool where it did just this. > > > > The only reason I am pushing the point, is I like the look but am > > suspicious of the authenticity of the way it is made/looks. > > > > Sg > > > > > >> From: seamst...@juno.com > >> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:07:21 + > >> To: h-cost...@indra.com > >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? > >> > >> That wouldnt be a 'kick pleat'. The tunic probably has a gore(s) set into > >> the side seam. When it's hanging down, it can give the appearanced of a > >> pleat. > >> > >> Karen > >> Seamstrix > >> > >> > >> -- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Ah ha! That was what I thought - thank you. One of the details I am > >> interested in is the side "kick pleat" > >> > >> > >>> The baggy trousers and boots might imply > >>> the wearer is aiming for Russ Viking, but a Russ tunic would have wide > >>> skirts rather than a split. > >>> > >> http://tinyurl.com/cjb8dt > >> > >> > >> > >>> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:33:15 + > >>> From: anne.montgome...@googlemail.com > >>> To: h-cost...@indra.com > >>> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic? > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > >> > >> Click to learn about options trading and get the latest information. > >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIzQaa3eDfz0DZR7g3rroygQeciFEEjpy6u49XElEmyuWNwp6GTcc/ > >> ___ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing?
Mine is wearing Simplicty pattern 1515 a 50's dress (bodice only at this stage). Sidney On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:57 AM, wrote: > One is wearing a corset / waist cincher in a fairly odd fabric that I found > and quite liked (sort of green camo pattern with flocked leaves). > > One is wearing the corset that should ahve gone under my wedding dress, > (but > I threw a tantrum over the design and started the bodice from scratch...). > > One (male) is wearing one of a pair of early roughly 1901 British Navy > captain's uniforms that we rescued from a theatrical costumers that was > closing in > Leeds. > They'd been adapted for either quick change or on-stage ripping, and had > been split up the back and velcro added. They'd also been astonishingly > badly > repaired at some stage. > I'm putting them back to what they should be like, (removing the bad repair > work generally) and conserving where it's needed (re-inforcing the odd rip > using conservation fabric, and pulling out the horrific nylon linins, > etc). > ___ > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic?
I kind'a like the time travelling 1970s university student at the far right, -C. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/brvg4j This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing?
Mine is wearing this dress http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1276372&l=1b91e&id=59547 while I wait for ideas to trim! Any ideas out there? I need to do something to jazz it up for a dance display coming up. At the moment I feel like a curtain! Bye for now, Aylwen Gardiner-Garden Earthly Delights Historic Dance Academy music ~ dancing ~ sewing ~ patterns ~ books 1480s - 1890s : Renaissance to Victorian http://www.earthlydelights.com.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic?
I'd actually say it was SCA Generic Early Period, myself, since it looks like he's wearing front-lacing suede boots. :-) I agree with the Normanish, c. 1100, with either small side gores or the garment has been pulled into a fold at the side because it isn't hanging straight in the front. Jen/Pixel/Margaret On Sat, 21 Feb 2009, Anne wrote: The front-and-back split tunic is classically Norman, because fighting on horseback was such a distinguishing feature of the ruling class, so it's distinct from the preceding Saxon style. The deep edging round hem, cuffs and neckline is seen as a plain facing in Norman dress, lots of fancy embroidery is more Saxon / Viking / Germanic (Normans emphatically do NOT do bling!) The baggy trousers and boots might imply the wearer is aiming for Russ Viking, but a Russ tunic would have wide skirts rather than a split. Jean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What period/country etc is this tunic?
On Feb 21, 2009, at 7:17 PM, Pixel, Goddess and Queen wrote: I'd actually say it was SCA Generic Early Period, myself, since it looks like he's wearing front-lacing suede boots. :-) I was going to say something similar but hesitated lest it would be too easily be mistaken for a snark (please don't think I'm implying that that's what you're doing!). In particular, I think it would be a mistake to assume that the outfit as a whole is intended to represent a particular specific time-and-place. Heather ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] h-costume Digest, Vol 8, Issue 62
Euphrosnia is wearing 1580s doublet (work in progress), a 1890s corset, and 5 stars of a 1930s style applique quilt pieced together & ready for ironing. Oh, and some mardi gras beads. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
