Re: [h-cost] Cotehardie Help
Past patterns is accurate to the point of having about 2 newprint pages of dobumentation and the bibliography in with the pattern piecesCoryn Wiegle spent a lot of time on it years ago and though it has always been one of the top priced pattern lines out there for period clothing...the documentation and bibliography makes it well worth the price if one is stymied. Bambi (To be named later) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Regina Voorhes reginalaws...@gmail.com wrote: From: Regina Voorhes reginalaws...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotehardie Help To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 2:16 PM I should have elaborated. He is hard-core, and I want to get this right. Is the Past Patterns version accurate? I am out of my specialty and most of the art of the period shows a hood or mantle over the neckline. G! Thanks all, Regina On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Regina Voorhes reginalaws...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, my partner wants something like a knee-length cotehardie with a standing band collar. Does this actually exist? Is it called something specific? Thanks, Regina in L.A. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] cloak or woman's outer garment for 15th century
Hello, I recently discovered that I need to make myself a warm cloak or outer garment for reenacting events for the 15th century. I was wondering about something like garnache - a warm outer garment with sleeves. Cloaks are much less practical. But the trouble is, I cannot find any sort of such outer garment for 15th century women! Does any of you know of some illustrations or written evidence that would help me? Time and location doesn't matter much as anything will help me, but if you insist, I'm acting as a mid 15th century middle class woman from France. Thanks a lot! Zuzana ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Cotehardie Help
True, the documentation stuff is very good, and the pattern gives a garment that gives a good overall shape and is a good start. The garment construction steps are really modern, though. Hanna At 15:57 06.09.2009, you wrote: Past patterns is accurate to the point of having about 2 newprint pages of dobumentation and the bibliography in with the pattern piecesCoryn Wiegle spent a lot of time on it years ago and though it has always been one of the top priced pattern lines out there for period clothing...the documentation and bibliography makes it well worth the price if one is stymied. Bambi (To be named later) TBNL I am made for great things by GOD and walk with Pride Walladah bint al Mustakfi c 1100ad see me dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HMtOoXtMs0 --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Regina Voorhes reginalaws...@gmail.com wrote: From: Regina Voorhes reginalaws...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotehardie Help To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 2:16 PM I should have elaborated. He is hard-core, and I want to get this right. Is the Past Patterns version accurate? I am out of my specialty and most of the art of the period shows a hood or mantle over the neckline. G! Thanks all, Regina On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Regina Voorhes reginalaws...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, my partner wants something like a knee-length cotehardie with a standing band collar. Does this actually exist? Is it called something specific? Thanks, Regina in L.A. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] cloak or woman's outer garment for 15th century
How strictly 15th c.? Could you do something like a Tudor loose gown? -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 1:35 PM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] cloak or woman's outer garment for 15th century Hello, I recently discovered that I need to make myself a warm cloak or outer garment for reenacting events for the 15th century. I was wondering about something like garnache - a warm outer garment with sleeves. Cloaks are much less practical. But the trouble is, I cannot find any sort of such outer garment for 15th century women! Does any of you know of some illustrations or written evidence that would help me? Time and location doesn't matter much as anything will help me, but if you insist, I'm acting as a mid 15th century middle class woman from France. Thanks a lot! Zuzana ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] cloak or woman's outer garment for 15th century
No, I am afraid, not - it has to be a medieval, not renaissance style:-( ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Holkeboer book - patterns question - long
Hello, I'm looking at the Holkeboer book, Patterns for Theatrical Costumes. I do understand that the book is intended for theatrical use where down-and-dirty is so often the rule of the day. However, I am looking at the first three sections of historical patterns - Egyptian, Greek and Roman, with the idea of these being (or not) a reasonable jumping-off point to cut lengths for hopefully accurate reproduction of the basic garments of those cultures. My students are going to get the fun of being handed these lengths and trying to figure out how to wrap the long pieces to get the correct effect as well as how to tie the ribbons or belts on the Greek chitons. The book states that the patterns are in 1/8 scale, with a few in 1/16. I grabbed a ruler and calculator and did all the math on those first sections. This is what I came up with for yardage for the main pieces in each cultural group. These would all be approximate amounts with some flexibility as suited available fabrics. Egyptian Man's Kalasiris 48 x 3 1/3 yards Man's Schenti 22 x 2 2/3 yards Woman's Sheath 28 x 3 1/8 yards Woman's Kalasiris 64 x 3 2/3 yards Greek Man's Chiton/Exomis 36 x 2 1/2 yards Man's Himation 48 or 72 x 4-6 yards Woman's Doric Chiton 1 76 x 74 Woman's Ionic Chiton64 x 6 1/8 yards Woman's Gathered Chiton 64 x 6 1/8 yards Woman's Doric Chiton 2 88 x 2 2/3 yards Woman's Himation60 x 4 yards Woman's Narrow Himation 24 x 4 yards Roman Man's Toga (cut oval) 72 x 6 1/4 yards Man's Tunic 48 x 2 1/8 yards Man's Paenula 58 x 3 3/4 yards Man's Lacerna 38 x 2 1/2 yards Woman's Stola 60 x 6 2/3 yards Woman's Palla 60 x 4 yards Man's Dalmatica 64 x 2 5/8 yards Woman's Dalmatica 60 x 4 1/8 yards Of course, as long as no stitching is done to a cut length, it could well double for different pieces amongst the cultures, i.e. the Greek woman's chitons and the Roman woman's stola could be done from the same piece. So, do any of these lengths seem too long for the garment in question? The Roman woman's stola seemed like an awful lot of fabric to me, even understanding the light weight of the period fabrics. I did use 1/8 as the scale for all of the patterns where 1/16 was not specified. The width of the fabric most often corresponds to the length of the garment on the body, with the yards amount being somehow wrapped around the body. I have tons of fabric to play with, or to permit students to play with, so we can do a lot of this. I'm going to cut a few specific pieces which will even get some non-period trim stitched on as a substitute for the embroidered or woven designs on the ancient garments. Also, does anyone know if there's a connection between Katherine Strand-Evans and Katherine Strand Holkeboer? Just curious. Laurie Taylor (480) 560-7016 www.costumeraz.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] cloak or woman's outer garment for 15th century
My solution for this has just been more layers. Either make several layers in warm fabrics or one layer in an extra warm fabric - with a fur lining perhaps. alex On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Zuzana Kraemerovazkraemer...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, I recently discovered that I need to make myself a warm cloak or outer garment for reenacting events for the 15th century. I was wondering about something like garnache - a warm outer garment with sleeves. Cloaks are much less practical. But the trouble is, I cannot find any sort of such outer garment for 15th century women! Does any of you know of some illustrations or written evidence that would help me? Time and location doesn't matter much as anything will help me, but if you insist, I'm acting as a mid 15th century middle class woman from France. Thanks a lot! Zuzana ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- So much to do and so little attention span to get it done with… ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Greenwood Encyclopedia of Clothing through World History
Published in 2008... has anyone looked at this set yet? I've only got the first volume (of three) so far. I thought the essay on 'Byzantine Clothing' was pretty good, and had the expected references. The essay on 'Medieval Clothing' is quite extensive-- more than I want to read in one sitting--but most of the sources in its Further Reading section are older (with the exception of Medieval Fabrications: Dress, Textiles, Clothwork, and Other Cultural Imaginings, 2004), the Web Resources listing is mediocre, and the publisher had the unhappy idea of adding a list of films with medieval themes gag, cough without any annotations. I'd be interested in hearing what other folks think of this title. Suzanne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Holkeboer book - patterns question - long
When I first started to use this book I quickly realized that it was neither a quick nor dirty way to making costumes really. (But we say it is so that we can get new folks learning how to make costumes the best way possible and inspire them to learn the accurate way later on.) If you do not know how to resize patterns then you need to learn how to do it first. The thing that makes it simple to many of us however is that they use the theory of rectangles and draping to make everything. :) ♫ Chiara Francesca « Ehi Prof.! Che cosa facciamo stasera?» « Quello che facciamo tutte le sere, Mignolo: tentare di conquistare il mondo! » (hint: italian) -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Taylor Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 4:05 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Holkeboer book - patterns question - long Hello, I'm looking at the Holkeboer book, Patterns for Theatrical Costumes. I do understand that the book is intended for theatrical use where down-and- dirty is so often the rule of the day. However, I am looking at the first three sections of historical patterns - Egyptian, Greek and Roman, with the idea of these being (or not) a reasonable jumping-off point to cut lengths for hopefully accurate reproduction of the basic garments of those cultures. My students are going to get the fun of being handed these lengths and trying to figure out how to wrap the long pieces to get the correct effect as well as how to tie the ribbons or belts on the Greek chitons. The book states that the patterns are in 1/8 scale, with a few in 1/16. I grabbed a ruler and calculator and did all the math on those first sections. This is what I came up with for yardage for the main pieces in each cultural group. These would all be approximate amounts with some flexibility as suited available fabrics. Egyptian Man's Kalasiris 48 x 3 1/3 yards Man's Schenti 22 x 2 2/3 yards Woman's Sheath28 x 3 1/8 yards Woman's Kalasiris 64 x 3 2/3 yards Greek Man's Chiton/Exomis 36 x 2 1/2 yards Man's Himation48 or 72 x 4-6 yards Woman's Doric Chiton 176 x 74 Woman's Ionic Chiton 64 x 6 1/8 yards Woman's Gathered Chiton 64 x 6 1/8 yards Woman's Doric Chiton 288 x 2 2/3 yards Woman's Himation 60 x 4 yards Woman's Narrow Himation 24 x 4 yards Roman Man's Toga (cut oval) 72 x 6 1/4 yards Man's Tunic 48 x 2 1/8 yards Man's Paenula 58 x 3 3/4 yards Man's Lacerna 38 x 2 1/2 yards Woman's Stola 60 x 6 2/3 yards Woman's Palla 60 x 4 yards Man's Dalmatica 64 x 2 5/8 yards Woman's Dalmatica 60 x 4 1/8 yards Of course, as long as no stitching is done to a cut length, it could well double for different pieces amongst the cultures, i.e. the Greek woman's chitons and the Roman woman's stola could be done from the same piece. So, do any of these lengths seem too long for the garment in question? The Roman woman's stola seemed like an awful lot of fabric to me, even understanding the light weight of the period fabrics. I did use 1/8 as the scale for all of the patterns where 1/16 was not specified. The width of the fabric most often corresponds to the length of the garment on the body, with the yards amount being somehow wrapped around the body. I have tons of fabric to play with, or to permit students to play with, so we can do a lot of this. I'm going to cut a few specific pieces which will even get some non-period trim stitched on as a substitute for the embroidered or woven designs on the ancient garments. Also, does anyone know if there's a connection between Katherine Strand-Evans and Katherine Strand Holkeboer? Just curious. Laurie Taylor (480) 560-7016 www.costumeraz.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] cloak or woman's outer garment for 15th century
Have you looked up pelisse? I believe that this is = to a wide sleeved coat or a generic to coat and jacket types of garments and usually fur line or trimmed. I have seen pelisse used to identify other types of garments. You will find that coats of various styles can be found pretty far back in history. De -Original Message- Hello, I recently discovered that I need to make myself a warm cloak or outer garment for reenacting events for the 15th century. I was wondering about something like garnache - a warm outer garment with sleeves. Cloaks are much less practical. But the trouble is, I cannot find any sort of such outer garment for 15th century women! Does any of you know of some illustrations or written evidence that would help me? Time and location doesn't matter much as anything will help me, but if you insist, I'm acting as a mid 15th century middle class woman from France. Thanks a lot! Zuzana ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Holkeboer book - patterns question - long
Hi, Actually, I don't see this book using rectangles and triangles nearly as much as was really done, but for my purposes right now, that doesn't matter. Grading patterns is no problem either, especially when it's the Greek and Roman stuff. Laurie Taylor (480) 560-7016 www.costumeraz.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Chiara Francesca Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 5:21 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holkeboer book - patterns question - long When I first started to use this book I quickly realized that it was neither a quick nor dirty way to making costumes really. (But we say it is so that we can get new folks learning how to make costumes the best way possible and inspire them to learn the accurate way later on.) If you do not know how to resize patterns then you need to learn how to do it first. The thing that makes it simple to many of us however is that they use the theory of rectangles and draping to make everything. :) ♫ Chiara Francesca « Ehi Prof.! Che cosa facciamo stasera?» « Quello che facciamo tutte le sere, Mignolo: tentare di conquistare il mondo! » (hint: italian) -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Taylor Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 4:05 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Holkeboer book - patterns question - long Hello, I'm looking at the Holkeboer book, Patterns for Theatrical Costumes. I do understand that the book is intended for theatrical use where down-and- dirty is so often the rule of the day. However, I am looking at the first three sections of historical patterns - Egyptian, Greek and Roman, with the idea of these being (or not) a reasonable jumping-off point to cut lengths for hopefully accurate reproduction of the basic garments of those cultures. My students are going to get the fun of being handed these lengths and trying to figure out how to wrap the long pieces to get the correct effect as well as how to tie the ribbons or belts on the Greek chitons. The book states that the patterns are in 1/8 scale, with a few in 1/16. I grabbed a ruler and calculator and did all the math on those first sections. This is what I came up with for yardage for the main pieces in each cultural group. These would all be approximate amounts with some flexibility as suited available fabrics. Egyptian Man's Kalasiris 48 x 3 1/3 yards Man's Schenti 22 x 2 2/3 yards Woman's Sheath28 x 3 1/8 yards Woman's Kalasiris 64 x 3 2/3 yards Greek Man's Chiton/Exomis 36 x 2 1/2 yards Man's Himation48 or 72 x 4-6 yards Woman's Doric Chiton 176 x 74 Woman's Ionic Chiton 64 x 6 1/8 yards Woman's Gathered Chiton 64 x 6 1/8 yards Woman's Doric Chiton 288 x 2 2/3 yards Woman's Himation 60 x 4 yards Woman's Narrow Himation 24 x 4 yards Roman Man's Toga (cut oval) 72 x 6 1/4 yards Man's Tunic 48 x 2 1/8 yards Man's Paenula 58 x 3 3/4 yards Man's Lacerna 38 x 2 1/2 yards Woman's Stola 60 x 6 2/3 yards Woman's Palla 60 x 4 yards Man's Dalmatica 64 x 2 5/8 yards Woman's Dalmatica 60 x 4 1/8 yards Of course, as long as no stitching is done to a cut length, it could well double for different pieces amongst the cultures, i.e. the Greek woman's chitons and the Roman woman's stola could be done from the same piece. So, do any of these lengths seem too long for the garment in question? The Roman woman's stola seemed like an awful lot of fabric to me, even understanding the light weight of the period fabrics. I did use 1/8 as the scale for all of the patterns where 1/16 was not specified. The width of the fabric most often corresponds to the length of the garment on the body, with the yards amount being somehow wrapped around the body. I have tons of fabric to play with, or to permit students to play with, so we can do a lot of this. I'm going to cut a few specific pieces which will even get some non-period trim stitched on as a substitute for the embroidered or woven designs on the ancient garments. Also, does anyone know if there's a connection between Katherine Strand-Evans and Katherine Strand Holkeboer? Just curious. Laurie Taylor (480) 560-7016 www.costumeraz.blogspot.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] woman's outer garment for 15th century
Dear Zuzana, You have seen many images of such a garment, I am sure, but seem not to have recognized it! The houppelande and its descendant, the 'Burgundian' V-necked gown, as well as less fashionable gouns of various cuts were very often made of wool lined with fur. Even sleeveless and sideless surcotes add quite a lot of warmth. The layers would be shift of linen, supportive gown of wool lined with linen, overgown of wool lined with fur. (generalities, but useful for a person cold in her costume.) Nice wool hosen, shoes, and pattens, and good head coverings would also assist a lot in keeping warm. And there's nothing to say you couldn't wear more than one supportive gown (gothic fitted dress) at a time, if you were still cold. I, myself, when a little chilly at an event, will often put a hood on so the cape part covers my shoulders. More like images of men's wearing hoods than a woman's, but often just the little bit of warmth I need. Ann in CT I recently discovered that I need to make myself a warm cloak or outer garment for reenacting events for the 15th century. - a warm outer garment with sleeves. But the trouble is, I cannot find any sort of such outer garment for 15th century women! Does any of you know of some illustrations or written evidence that would help me? Time and location doesn't matter much as anything will help me, but if you insist, I'm acting as a mid 15th century middle class woman from France. Zuzana ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] cloak or woman's outer garment for 15th century
at 12:34 PM, Zuzana Kraemerovazkraemer...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, I recently discovered that I need to make myself a warm cloak or outer garment for reenacting events for the 15th century. I was wondering about something like garnache - a warm outer garment with sleeves. Cloaks are much less practical. But the trouble is, I cannot find any sort of such outer garment for 15th century women! Does any of you know of some illustrations or written evidence that would help me? Time and location doesn't matter much as anything will help me, but if you insist, I'm acting as a mid 15th century middle class woman from France. This is the general era when women are often depicted in heavy woolen gowns with full linings of fur. Being middle class would affect what type of fur might be used, but I believe the general idea would still be applicable. For cold conditions, might it be that a heavier, warmer outer layer - rather than an additional over-layer - would be appropriate for your purposes? Heather Rose Jones ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Holkeboer book - patterns question - long
YMMV ♫ Chiara Francesca « Ehi Prof.! Che cosa facciamo stasera?» « Quello che facciamo tutte le sere, Mignolo: tentare di conquistare il mondo! » (hint: italian) -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Taylor Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 5:36 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holkeboer book - patterns question - long Hi, Actually, I don't see this book using rectangles and triangles nearly as much as was really done, but for my purposes right now, that doesn't matter. Grading patterns is no problem either, especially when it's the Greek and Roman stuff. Laurie Taylor (480) 560-7016 www.costumeraz.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Chiara Francesca Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 5:21 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holkeboer book - patterns question - long When I first started to use this book I quickly realized that it was neither a quick nor dirty way to making costumes really. (But we say it is so that we can get new folks learning how to make costumes the best way possible and inspire them to learn the accurate way later on.) If you do not know how to resize patterns then you need to learn how to do it first. The thing that makes it simple to many of us however is that they use the theory of rectangles and draping to make everything. :) ♫ Chiara Francesca « Ehi Prof.! Che cosa facciamo stasera?» « Quello che facciamo tutte le sere, Mignolo: tentare di conquistare il mondo! » (hint: italian) -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Taylor Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 4:05 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Holkeboer book - patterns question - long Hello, I'm looking at the Holkeboer book, Patterns for Theatrical Costumes. I do understand that the book is intended for theatrical use where down- and- dirty is so often the rule of the day. However, I am looking at the first three sections of historical patterns - Egyptian, Greek and Roman, with the idea of these being (or not) a reasonable jumping-off point to cut lengths for hopefully accurate reproduction of the basic garments of those cultures. My students are going to get the fun of being handed these lengths and trying to figure out how to wrap the long pieces to get the correct effect as well as how to tie the ribbons or belts on the Greek chitons. The book states that the patterns are in 1/8 scale, with a few in 1/16. I grabbed a ruler and calculator and did all the math on those first sections. This is what I came up with for yardage for the main pieces in each cultural group. These would all be approximate amounts with some flexibility as suited available fabrics. Egyptian Man's Kalasiris 48 x 3 1/3 yards Man's Schenti 22 x 2 2/3 yards Woman's Sheath 28 x 3 1/8 yards Woman's Kalasiris 64 x 3 2/3 yards Greek Man's Chiton/Exomis 36 x 2 1/2 yards Man's Himation 48 or 72 x 4-6 yards Woman's Doric Chiton 1 76 x 74 Woman's Ionic Chiton64 x 6 1/8 yards Woman's Gathered Chiton 64 x 6 1/8 yards Woman's Doric Chiton 2 88 x 2 2/3 yards Woman's Himation60 x 4 yards Woman's Narrow Himation 24 x 4 yards Roman Man's Toga (cut oval) 72 x 6 1/4 yards Man's Tunic 48 x 2 1/8 yards Man's Paenula 58 x 3 3/4 yards Man's Lacerna 38 x 2 1/2 yards Woman's Stola 60 x 6 2/3 yards Woman's Palla 60 x 4 yards Man's Dalmatica 64 x 2 5/8 yards Woman's Dalmatica 60 x 4 1/8 yards Of course, as long as no stitching is done to a cut length, it could well double for different pieces amongst the cultures, i.e. the Greek woman's chitons and the Roman woman's stola could be done from the same piece. So, do any of these lengths seem too long for the garment in question? The Roman woman's stola seemed like an awful lot of fabric to me, even understanding the light weight of the period fabrics. I did use 1/8 as the scale for all of the patterns where 1/16 was not specified. The width of the fabric most often corresponds to the length of the garment on the body, with the yards amount being somehow wrapped around the body. I have tons of fabric to play with, or to permit students to play with, so we can do a lot of this. I'm going to cut a few specific pieces which will even get some non-period trim stitched on as a substitute for the embroidered or woven designs on the ancient garments. Also, does anyone know if there's a connection between Katherine Strand-Evans and
