[h-cost] 1880's "casual" dress question

[Kathryn Pinner]

IIRC,  1879-80 is sort of between bustle periods.  What would a young English 
lady living on the coast of Cornwall be wearing?  I will be costuming "Pirates 
of Penzance" in January and am looking for some ideas of where to look. Fashion 
plates in Godey's and Harper's hardly seem the type of garment that young 
ladies would be wearing on the beach. Googling previous "Pirates" productions 
produces a wide range.  Of course I know that it is an operetta with a rather 
silly premise and costume designers can take great liberties, but I would love 
to have some idea of what might actually have been worn. Any pointers in the 
right direction will be greatly appreciated. I am more familiar with 18th 
cent.-early 19th c. and then very late 19th c. (Fran, which of your books 
covers this?)

Kate
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Re: [h-cost] 1880's "casual" dress question

[Lavolta Press]

On 7/4/2011 9:58 AM, Kathryn Pinner wrote:

IIRC,  1879-80 is sort of between bustle periods.  What would a young English lady 
living on the coast of Cornwall be wearing?


There was specific Victorian wear for the "seaside" (in addition to 
bathing costumes per se). See Avril Landsdell's Seaside Fashions 
1860-1939, and Chapter 7 of Christina Walkley's The Way to Wear 'Em. 
Seaside fashions are also discussed and  pictured in fashion magazines, 
especially those focusing on summer clothing.



>I am more familiar with 18th cent.-early 19th c. and then very late 
19th c. (Fran, which of your books covers this?)


My book that covers 1877-1882 fashion is Fashions of the Gilded Age (two 
volumes).


Thanks for your interest,

Fran
Lavolta Press
www.lavoltapress.com
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Re: [h-cost] 1880's "casual" dress question

[Carmen Beaudry]

Look for "beach costume" or "seaside dress".  I know I've seen some of 
those in the fashion magazines.


Carmen

On 7/4/2011 9:58 AM, Kathryn Pinner wrote:

IIRC,  1879-80 is sort of between bustle periods.  What would a young English lady living on the 
coast of Cornwall be wearing?  I will be costuming "Pirates of Penzance" in January and 
am looking for some ideas of where to look. Fashion plates in Godey's and Harper's hardly seem the 
type of garment that young ladies would be wearing on the beach. Googling previous 
"Pirates" productions produces a wide range.  Of course I know that it is an operetta 
with a rather silly premise and costume designers can take great liberties, but I would love to 
have some idea of what might actually have been worn. Any pointers in the right direction will be 
greatly appreciated. I am more familiar with 18th cent.-early 19th c. and then very late 19th c. 
(Fran, which of your books covers this?)

Kate
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Re: [h-cost] 1880's "casual" dress question

[Joan Jurancich]

At 11:18 AM 7/4/2011, you wrote:
Look for "beach costume" or "seaside dress".  I know I've seen some 
of those in the fashion magazines.


Carmen

On 7/4/2011 9:58 AM, Kathryn Pinner wrote:
IIRC,  1879-80 is sort of between bustle periods.  What would a 
young English lady living on the coast of Cornwall be wearing?  I 
will be costuming "Pirates of Penzance" in January and am looking 
for some ideas of where to look. Fashion plates in Godey's and 
Harper's hardly seem the type of garment that young ladies would be 
wearing on the beach. Googling previous "Pirates" productions 
produces a wide range.  Of course I know that it is an operetta 
with a rather silly premise and costume designers can take great 
liberties, but I would love to have some idea of what might 
actually have been worn. Any pointers in the right direction will 
be greatly appreciated. I am more familiar with 18th cent.-early 
19th c. and then very late 19th c. (Fran, which of your books covers this?)


Kate


The book "Fabric of Society: A Century of People and their Clothes 
1770-1870" by Jane Tozer & Sarah Levitt has a wonderful chapter on 
Seaside dress.  One of the characteristics is the fabric used, mostly 
washable cottons (or linens). The general look reflects the currently 
fashionable styles.



Joan Jurancich
joa...@surewest.net 



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Re: [h-cost] 1880's "casual" dress question

[Beteena Paradise]

If you are looking for a little visual candy in addition to the lovely book 
suggestions, the miniseries The Buccaneers had some lovely seaside looks, iirc. 
Think white and pale colors (or colors striped with white) in light fabrics 
like 
lawn and ruffles. :) So yummy! 


Teena



From: Kathryn Pinner 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 5:58:27 PM
Subject: [h-cost] 1880's "casual" dress question

IIRC,  1879-80 is sort of between bustle periods.  What would a young English 
lady living on the coast of Cornwall be wearing?  I will be costuming "Pirates 
of Penzance" in January and am looking for some ideas of where to look. Fashion 
plates in Godey's and Harper's hardly seem the type of garment that young 
ladies 
would be wearing on the beach. Googling previous "Pirates" productions produces 
a wide range.  Of course I know that it is an operetta with a rather silly 
premise and costume designers can take great liberties, but I would love to 
have 
some idea of what might actually have been worn. Any pointers in the right 
direction will be greatly appreciated. I am more familiar with 18th cent.-early 
19th c. and then very late 19th c. (Fran, which of your books covers this?)

Kate
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Re: [h-cost] 1880's "casual" dress question

[Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker]

IIRC,  1879-80 is sort of between bustle periods.  What would a young 
English lady living on the coast of Cornwall be wearing? ...


If your young ladies have any pretense to fashion*, they'd wear the nearly 
bustle-less (they might wear a small bustle pad), very narrow skirts, but 
probably not as narrow as the fashion plates.


*If a girl wasn't out working, she had the free time to renovate her skirts 
to the narrower fashions.  Even house maids often did their best to copy 
the fashions, and making a narrow skirt was far cheaper than creating a 
full bustle dress.


Fran's books are absolutely brilliant.  I use them every time I need 
inspiration or details for that period.  Highly recommended!


Happy sewing,
  Deb Salisbury
  The Mantua-Maker
  Quality historical sewing patterns, Renaissance to Victorian
  Now available:
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[h-cost] Folkwear 508

[Suzanne]

Has anyone made Folkwear's "1915 Traveling Suit"?

If so, how's the fit?  The jumper has a deep V-neckline front and back, deep 
armholes, and plenty of fullness over the waist and hips--so I'm wondering why 
it needs a center back zipper?  (This pattern has 2 "Recommended" reviews at 
the GBACG site but neither mentions the zipper.)
Thanks,
Suzanne
[the one in Iowa]


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