Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

[scourney]

Thanks.  I will look at the ermine street as well.  I found some good 
information on Roman reenactment sites. Including a shoe pattern.
These are for a one use photo for a book so it just has to look right. Nothing 
like arguing with the company owner about the costume history.  Luckily they'd 
also contacted an archeologist with ties to Pompeii and we both said the same 
thing.Susan 

 Original message From: Katy Bishop  
Date: 7/15/16  9:35 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Historical Costume 
 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman experts? 
It really looks like a hood to me. I will forward to a friend who does
Roman impressions.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 2:35 AM, scourney  wrote:

> Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I
> think I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a
> question on one thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
> The painting in question is the sale of the bread -
> https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
> - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and
> the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I
> can't decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause
> it looks like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish
> trim which almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and
> why the trim just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
> This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
> Thanks all, Susan Courney
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Re: [h-cost] Roman experts?

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Hi,
That's what I was thinking, except I'm not sure that cloaks had hoods attached. 
And why would only the hood have trim?
I want to make sure I'm not missing something.
Susan 
 Original message From: RC Weber  Date: 
7/15/16  12:10 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Historical Costume  
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Roman experts? 
To me, it looks like a warm-white (undyed wool?) hooded 1/2 (maybe 2/3 
or 3/4) circle cloak where the hood is lined with darkish blue and 
trimmed with warm brown in a rectilinear fashion.

The hood is made of a rectangle folded in half to make a square and 
seamed on one edge (usually the back so the top has no seam to leak rain 
through) and then mounted to the neck area.  That makes fold on top, 
seam in back, open edge stitched to cloak, other open edge for face. 
This type folds against the wearer's back as shown.

The neck area of the cloak could have a scoop or even an actual arc cut 
out as the hood, when stitched on, provides a sturdy edge so there's a 
minimum of sag, roll-up, or 'ride' with a maximum of comfort.

In the picture, the cloak's clasped/tied/secured in front with the right 
side flipped back over the right arm.

That's what it looks like to me, at any rate.  :-)

-Cate



On 14-Jul-16 11:35 PM, scourney wrote:
> Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I 
> think I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a 
> question on one thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
> The painting in question is the sale of the bread 
> -https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
>  - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and 
> the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I can't 
> decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause it looks 
> like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish trim which 
> almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and why the trim 
> just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
> This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
> Thanks all, Susan Courney
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[h-cost] Roman experts?

[scourney]

Hi, I'm looking at a job reproducing the clothes in a Pompeian fresco. I think 
I've identified most of the clothing involved, but still have a question on one 
thing. Any Ancient Roman experts out there?
The painting in question is the sale of the bread 
-https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sale_of_bread,_fresco_(from_Pompeii)
 - I'm going with the seated man wearing a white toga over a white tunic and 
the three in front wearing tunics and paenula of some dark color, but I can't 
decide what the off white thing is. At first I thought cloak, cause it looks 
like it is clasped on the shoulder, but it has that odd reddish trim which 
almost looks like a hood.  It looks too small to be a hood and why the trim 
just in that spot? So I'm not sure what it is.
This is my first paying gig, so I want it to go well.
Thanks all, Susan Courney 
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Re: [h-cost] Wedding wear

[scourney]

That sounds like fun.  I promised the bride I wouldn't wear black, and it was 
something I regretted as most of my nicer stuff is black.  Except for a pretty 
dress I picked up cheap - it's white.  Also out. I showed my son one outfit and 
he thought it was too matronly (nevermind guess that I am one). Susan 

 Original message 
From: Carmen Beaudry  
Date: 01/27/2016  11:52 AM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: Historical Costume  
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding wear 

My daughter has requested that all of her wedding party, including the mothers 
of the bride and groom, wear black. The mothers will also be wearing tiaras.

Carmen

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> On Jan 27, 2016, at 11:06 AM, annbw...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Actually, a dear friend of mine's mother-in-law chose a beige dress for 
> another of her children's weddings. And beige was just about the least 
> flattering color I could imagine for the dear lady. She may have been of a 
> generation where she took such advice seriously.
> 
> 
> Ann Wass
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: R Lloyd Mitchell 
> To: Historical Costume 
> Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2016 12:48 pm
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding wear
> 
> Who follows these antiquated guidelines? And the insults they portray?! The 
> Dream may be the bride's but the occasion is also with expectations of 
> celebration for the mother's who get to be Themselves. Harmony and affinity 
> for the occasion seems to me to allow whatever one chooses. For daughter 31, 
> I wore a teal hand embroidered sundress with matching bolero jacket; my 
> daughter was wearing an antique eyelet gown (1879) .It was a farm garden 
> occasion.
> My other daughter chose  a  princess tea-length dress of white cotton 
> shantung..with jacket; The neckline and sleeve edgings were 
> embroidered..white on white. Her site was a Friend'd Meeting House. Both 
> mothers did wear varities of Beige after noon dresses. Harmonious  for the 
> occasion.
> La! _
> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com  on behalf of 
> scourney 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 10:47 AM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding wear
> 
> I thought that was the comment for the mother of the groom - show up, shut 
> up, and wear beige. I'm a rapidly greying blonde with pale skin, and in beige 
> I'd be almost invisible. Which perhaps is the point.Susan
> 
>  Original message 
> From: annbw...@aol.com
> Date: 01/27/2016  6:15 AM  (GMT-08:00)
> To: h-cost...@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding wear
> 
> The mother of the bride wears beige and keeps quiet. But I would think 
> another color would be more fun.
> 
> 
> Ann Wass
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: R Lloyd Mitchell 
> To: Historical Costume 
> Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2016 9:12 am
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding wear
> 
> Was at a 20s/30s wedding in June past...The 'other women' of the wedding 
> party all wore shades of beige silk and lace...including mothers and 
> grandmother.  The BMs had different styles (kneeish) Quite a lovely affair.
> 
> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com  on behalf of 
> Susan 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 3:09 AM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding wear
> 
> Lace perhaps, but Not Beige.  Leaning toward a 30s formal inspired dress.
> 
> Susan
> - Original Message -
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding wear
> 
> 
>> NOT beige lace!
>> 
>> Ann Wass
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Deb Salisbury, Mantua-Maker 
>> To: h-costume 
>> Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2016 8:17 pm
>> Subject: [h-cost] Wedding wear
>> 
>> I'm no help, either. The last wedding I went to, here in Texas, everyone
>> but the bride came in jeans and cowboy boots. :-)
>> 
>> I'd love to go to a wedding in a bustle dress!
>> 
>>> My son is getting married next month in LA, and I have no idea what to
>>> make to wear to an afternoon wedding, with an evening reception. He
>>> wasn't much help (wear a bustle dress he said...  she said, whatever.)
>> 
>> Happy sewing,
>>   Deb Salisbury
>>   The Mantua-Maker
>>   Quality Historical Sewing Patterns
>>   www.mantua-maker.com
>> 
>> New Nonfiction:
>>   The Art of the Mantua-Maker: 1870 - 1879
>>   Fashion, Sewing, and Clothes Care Advice
>> https://mantua-maker.com/1870s_Dressmaking_Book.html
>> 
>> New Fant

Re: [h-cost] Wedding wear

[scourney]

I thought that was the comment for the mother of the groom - show up, shut up, 
and wear beige. I'm a rapidly greying blonde with pale skin, and in beige I'd 
be almost invisible. Which perhaps is the point.Susan 

 Original message 
From: annbw...@aol.com 
Date: 01/27/2016  6:15 AM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: h-cost...@indra.com 
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding wear 

The mother of the bride wears beige and keeps quiet. But I would think another 
color would be more fun.


Ann Wass



-Original Message-
From: R Lloyd Mitchell 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2016 9:12 am
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding wear

Was at a 20s/30s wedding in June past...The 'other women' of the wedding party 
all wore shades of beige silk and lace...including mothers and grandmother.  
The BMs had different styles (kneeish) Quite a lovely affair.

From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com  on behalf of 
Susan 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 3:09 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding wear

Lace perhaps, but Not Beige.  Leaning toward a 30s formal inspired dress.

Susan
- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding wear


> NOT beige lace!
>
> Ann Wass
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Deb Salisbury, Mantua-Maker 
> To: h-costume 
> Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2016 8:17 pm
> Subject: [h-cost] Wedding wear
>
> I'm no help, either. The last wedding I went to, here in Texas, everyone
> but the bride came in jeans and cowboy boots. :-)
>
> I'd love to go to a wedding in a bustle dress!
>
>> My son is getting married next month in LA, and I have no idea what to
>> make to wear to an afternoon wedding, with an evening reception. He
>> wasn't much help (wear a bustle dress he said...  she said, whatever.)
>
> Happy sewing,
>    Deb Salisbury
>    The Mantua-Maker
>    Quality Historical Sewing Patterns
>    www.mantua-maker.com
>
> New Nonfiction:
>    The Art of the Mantua-Maker: 1870 - 1879
>    Fashion, Sewing, and Clothes Care Advice
>  https://mantua-maker.com/1870s_Dressmaking_Book.html
>
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[h-cost] medieval france question

[scourney]

Hi,
I'm still here.  I'm also on facebook, but a bit disenchanted with it so 
mostly read other people's drama.


I'm taking a new kind of history class this quarter - it's called reacting 
history. The professor picks a few related scenerios, assigns characters, 
and we interact as if we are those people.  Costumes get you extra points. 
for the first one I pulled something out of the closet, but for this one I'm 
not so sure what is correct.  Granted I could show up in repurposed goodwill 
clothes and it'd be OK, but I'd like to do better. The time and place is 
1302 France - and the kicker is that I'm roleplaying an older man.  I don't 
have time to do the normal indepth research I do before making something ( I 
need tomorrow, not in a month), and I'm not overly familar with male 
clothing.  Any suggestions on where to start?. Would the greenlander outfits 
be appropriate?


thanks,
Susan Courney 


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Re: [h-cost] Anyone know what manuscript this is?

[scourney]

 Original message 
From: Robin Netherton  
Date:05/27/2014  8:36 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: Historical Costume  
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone know what manuscript this is? 

Probably British Library MS Cotton Nero D.IX: The The Romance of Jehan de 
Saintre, France, ca. 1470.

Whether the seams are actually as Houston draws them, I reserve judgment.



On 5/27/2014 6:10 PM, Wicked Frau wrote:
> There is a black and white illustration on  page
> 142*
> of Medieval Costume in England and France by Mary G. Houston. *It is
> supposed to have come from a manuscript in the British Museum.  The number
> is D. IX.  Does anyone know if this is enough information to identify the
> manuscript?  My searches are not getting anywhere.
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker?'s dummy wearing today?

[scourney]

  So, what's your dressmaker's dummy
wearing today?


The draped fabrics for an 1910s dress for the Portland vampire masquarade 
ball - the friday event most likely. It's dark red silk with a black silk 
gauze overlay and accents of dark gold. As soon as I take my final - I get 
to start cutting.


Susan in Seattle
(who has mostly been lurking the past few years) 


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Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today?

[scourney]

OHHH, what a fun way to travel!  You'd be in that little TSA room so  fast 
your corset would melt. . . (ROFL)


== Marjorie Wilser (trying to imagine how boning xrays. . . and 
hatpins. . . and getting the giggles)




I had a corsetlet in my bag, but they were more intereested in all the 
computer stuff. I did wonder if they'd search under a crinoline, (if I wore 
it) - yeah you can hide a lot under there, but it would be pretty 
transluscent to the xray I think.  just be odd.. They poked at my bun (the 
hair kind) but didn't seem interested in the hair stick.


The plane had a narrow section I had to walk through (if it didn't fit 
through it couldn't go) & I'm not I'd have fit with the whole 
petticoat/crinoline skirt.


So yeah, I did think about it.
Susan



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On Dec 3, 2010, at 4:13 PM, annbw...@aol.com wrote:




In a message dated 12/3/2010 2:34:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
scour...@nwlink.com writes:

if I had  gotten it done and if I
had figured out a way to put an entire victorian  outfit into my  carry 
on

luggage
For future reference, things like this can be shipped ahead--might  even 
be
cheaper than checking a bag, except that it has to be shipped back.   Or 
you

can wear it to travel in!

Ann Wass
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Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today?

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your dressmaker's dummy wearing today?
One is wearing a skirt and petticoat for the outfit I was thinking of 
wearing to visit Dickens faire tomorrow - if I had gotten it done and if I 
had figured out a way to put an entire victorian outfit into my carry on 
luggage. Theother is wearing a drape of an idea for a burningman costume.


Susan (usually in seattle, but visiting SF) 


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[h-cost] sewing machines

[scourney]

Hi,

My small light portable machine has developed problems beyond the easily 
fixable. It's an older Brother.  I've gone looking at the more expensive 
machines, but am thinking that now is not the time.

I have an old Kenmore that does the bulk of my straight or zig zag stitching, 
but I recently got to play with a machine that has lots of fancy stitches and I 
liked them. I also want a machine that can go places. Yeah, I have indeed taken 
a sewing machine to a SF con and sewed in my room. 

I've found two online that are possible, a Singer 
(http://www.joann.com/joann/catalog.jsp?CATID=cat3199&PRODID=xprd872794&utm_source=Joann&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=Prd10&utm_content=HTML&utm_campaign=EML20081109-D&rId=EML20081109-D)
 and a Brother 
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11222787&whse=BC&topnav=&browse=&lang=en-US&s=1

Between Brothers and Singers, any opinions which are better? 

Thanks,
Susan in Seattle
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[h-cost] fabric storage

[scourney]

Hi,  I'm moving and having to put a bunch of my fabric into a storage
locker (climate controlled). The problem is that when I took a bunch of
stuff out of the attic at my current place, I found a silver fish (a bug
that eats fabric among other things).  I'm repacking, throwing away the
boxes, and washing all most all the fabric, but I am still concerned that
I might take a bug or two with me.

Has anyone used the vacuum pack thingies that are for food to pack fabric
for storage? I was thinking that that way I could at least isolate my best
stuff.
But I live in the great northwest where it is rather damp and I am worried
that things might just mold if I do that.

Does anyone have suggestions?

Tia, Susan (moving to Seattle from the eastside)

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[h-cost] silkish brocade

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Hi,

Have any of you heard of or used this store?

http://www.transprism.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=62

I like some of their tapestries, but am not sure about ordering from them.

Thanks, Susan in Bellevue.

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