Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
I think the product you are looking for is Steam a Seam it has protective paper on both sides of the webbing, because it is sticky before ironing. Here is the website: http://www.warmcompany.com/saspage.html Morrghan - Original Message From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:11:52 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery vliesofix is wonderunder in the states. What is being looked for is a fusible webbing the you apply to the back of the fabric and when you remove the backing the underside is a bit sticky so that it lessens the need for pins. Almost like basting spray. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
Hi Deredere, I would use a gold passing thread wich you couch on the surface, but first i would embroider the red areas. You could simply cover the red areas with tiny chainstitches. After that couch on the gold passing thread. My guess is that it would be quicker to do, than to cut out and aplique the silk to the surface, because you had to treat the raw edges somehow. Lovely portrait. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Deredere Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery Hi, Several years ago I found a picture on the internet that I really liked. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Blauw.jpg And several years ago I bought a very nice blue silk. I was wondering if red wool felt and gold cord would work for the embroidery. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
I would love to embroider it by hand but knowing myself I would never finish it :-( . So I have a few options. Totally embroider it by machine. Or appliques of wool or silk and gold cord stichet on by machine. (I know it is not period but probably the only way for me to make a beautiful dress within reasonable time. And having fun making it. although I am not happy having it to do it this way) Silk velvet would be very nice. The cheapest I found is around 60 euro for a meter and it is white... 1 Meter would hopefully be more than enough. (I could use some scraps for an other project..) I have white silk that I would like to dye for the lining. The lining looks more pink than the red on the dress. I can easily get that pinkish red from the lining with madder but I never got a real red from it.. Should I use some sort of backing for the embroidery? Greetings, Deredere Deredere Galbraith wrote: Hi, Several years ago I found a picture on the internet that I really liked. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Blauw.jpg And several years ago I bought a very nice blue silk. I was wondering if red wool felt and gold cord would work for the embroidery. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
A true red from madder is difficult, you will get a better red if you use a second dye bath of cochineal or lac after the madder. Wendy -Original Message- From: Deredere Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 30, 2007 11:05 AM To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery I would love to embroider it by hand but knowing myself I would never finish it :-( . So I have a few options. Totally embroider it by machine. Or appliques of wool or silk and gold cord stichet on by machine. (I know it is not period but probably the only way for me to make a beautiful dress within reasonable time. And having fun making it. although I am not happy having it to do it this way) Silk velvet would be very nice. The cheapest I found is around 60 euro for a meter and it is white... 1 Meter would hopefully be more than enough. (I could use some scraps for an other project..) I have white silk that I would like to dye for the lining. The lining looks more pink than the red on the dress. I can easily get that pinkish red from the lining with madder but I never got a real red from it.. Should I use some sort of backing for the embroidery? Greetings, Deredere Deredere Galbraith wrote: Hi, Several years ago I found a picture on the internet that I really liked. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Blauw.jpg And several years ago I bought a very nice blue silk. I was wondering if red wool felt and gold cord would work for the embroidery. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
In a message dated 5/30/2007 11:13:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or appliques of wool or silk and gold cord stichet on by machine. *** There are some amazing things made now to help you with applique. I used this stuff that was, not sticky as in gooey, but a heat activated bonding material that clung to whatever you wanted before any heat was applied, so you could move it around if you wanted, but it stayed put if you didn't peal it up. It did not become permanent until you blasted it with the iron. It had paper on both sides since both sides of the bonding stuff was clingy. You drew on one side of the paper the design elements you wanted, then pulled the other, unmarked paper off and bonded the whole uncut thing to the back of your decorative fabric. Then cut it out [the edges resisted fraying after being bonded] then placed all the elements where they needed to go, moving them and adjusting them as needed [they cling to the fabric] and when you got things in place, blasted them with steam and heat. They were now on for good. I did this with velvet even, using a velvet board and ironing from the back. Since it clings really well, I could pick up the whole thing and turn it over. Since all the red seems to be outlined in gold cord, this might work out well for you. I ran around all my appliques with a tight zig-zag, but you could get away with a wider one just to make sure everything is down and not going to fray, then cover it up with gold braid or whatever. It'll still be time consuming, but look great! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
What is the name for that stuff? Sounds wonderfull! Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery In a message dated 5/30/2007 11:13:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or appliques of wool or silk and gold cord stichet on by machine. *** There are some amazing things made now to help you with applique. I used this stuff that was, not sticky as in gooey, but a heat activated bonding material that clung to whatever you wanted before any heat was applied, so you could move it around if you wanted, but it stayed put if you didn't peal it up. It did not become permanent until you blasted it with the iron. It had paper on both sides since both sides of the bonding stuff was clingy. You drew on one side of the paper the design elements you wanted, then pulled the other, unmarked paper off and bonded the whole uncut thing to the back of your decorative fabric. Then cut it out [the edges resisted fraying after being bonded] then placed all the elements where they needed to go, moving them and adjusting them as needed [they cling to the fabric] and when you got things in place, blasted them with steam and heat. They were now on for good. I did this with velvet even, using a velvet board and ironing from the back. Since it clings really well, I could pick up the whole thing and turn it over. Since all the red seems to be outlined in gold cord, this might work out well for you. I ran around all my appliques with a tight zig-zag, but you could get away with a wider one just to make sure everything is down and not going to fray, then cover it up with gold braid or whatever. It'll still be time consuming, but look great! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
In a message dated 5/30/2007 12:29:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the name for that stuff? Sounds wonderfull! * Alas, I have no idea. But I picked it up at the local, ho-hum fabric store. I'll look for it the next time I'm there, and write the name down so I can post it here. [Unless someone else knows already] ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
Steam a Seam 2 is what I used. It keeps the edge of the velvet appliques I worked on, fused permanently when I wanted it, was easy enough to sew through without getting the needle sticky, and comes highly recommended by embroidery artists and quilt artists I know. Those artists are the ones who recommend the #2 version, not the regular version. They say the #2 version is lighter, and less likely to gum your needles. But try both and see what works best for you. http://www.warmcompany.com/saspage.html It comes in sheets, and in thin rolls of various widths. I use the roll SaS2 for holding down trims before sewing. I really like this stuff. Kimiko --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/30/2007 12:29:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the name for that stuff? Sounds wonderfull! * Alas, I have no idea. But I picked it up at the local, ho-hum fabric store. I'll look for it the next time I'm there, and write the name down so I can post it here. [Unless someone else knows already] Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
At 12:33 PM 5/30/2007, you wrote: In a message dated 5/30/2007 12:29:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the name for that stuff? Sounds wonderfull! Most like it is fusible webbing. Sold under brand names like Steam A Seam or Heat-n-Bond. Warning! Do NOT get the Ultra Hold webbing products, they are NOT sewable. You can also look for fusible embroidery stabilizer, which might do the same job. Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Was it AppliEase? -Original Message- Alas, I have no idea. But I picked it up at the local, ho-hum fabric store. I'll look for it the next time I'm there, and write the name down so I can post it here. [Unless someone else knows already] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Thanx for the idea. I think I used something like this. I wanted to buy the stuf that sticks on one side but bought the double sided instead. I didn't know that it existed. My local shop sells it I think. It is probably not the same but I can try if it works. Kimiko Small wrote: Steam a Seam 2 is what I used. It keeps the edge of the velvet appliques I worked on, fused permanently when I wanted it, was easy enough to sew through without getting the needle sticky, and comes highly recommended by embroidery artists and quilt artists I know. Those artists are the ones who recommend the #2 version, not the regular version. They say the #2 version is lighter, and less likely to gum your needles. But try both and see what works best for you. http://www.warmcompany.com/saspage.html It comes in sheets, and in thin rolls of various widths. I use the roll SaS2 for holding down trims before sewing. I really like this stuff. Kimiko --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/30/2007 12:29:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the name for that stuff? Sounds wonderfull! * Alas, I have no idea. But I picked it up at the local, ho-hum fabric store. I'll look for it the next time I'm there, and write the name down so I can post it here. [Unless someone else knows already] Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
Dear Albertcat, Yes please do let us know, if you ever find the name for this, i know the ordinary iron on both sides with paper backings, its very nice also, but the idea that it sticks before you iron it is just what i could use, when you are making patterns with cut out motifs. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery Alas, I have no idea. But I picked it up at the local, ho-hum fabric store. I'll look for it the next time I'm there, and write the name down so I can post it here. [Unless someone else knows already] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
In Australia we call in vliesofix. I think its put out by Vilene. I used it a lot with Irish dance dresses. Cheers, Aylwen On 31/05/2007, at 2:28 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: What is the name for that stuff? Sounds wonderfull! Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery In a message dated 5/30/2007 11:13:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or appliques of wool or silk and gold cord stichet on by machine. *** There are some amazing things made now to help you with applique. I used this stuff that was, not sticky as in gooey, but a heat activated bonding material that clung to whatever you wanted before any heat was applied, so you could move it around if you wanted, but it stayed put if you didn't peal it up. It did not become permanent until you blasted it with the iron. It had paper on both sides since both sides of the bonding stuff was clingy. You drew on one side of the paper the design elements you wanted, then pulled the other, unmarked paper off and bonded the whole uncut thing to the back of your decorative fabric. Then cut it out [the edges resisted fraying after being bonded] then placed all the elements where they needed to go, moving them and adjusting them as needed [they cling to the fabric] and when you got things in place, blasted them with steam and heat. They were now on for good. I did this with velvet even, using a velvet board and ironing from the back. Since it clings really well, I could pick up the whole thing and turn it over. Since all the red seems to be outlined in gold cord, this might work out well for you. I ran around all my appliques with a tight zig-zag, but you could get away with a wider one just to make sure everything is down and not going to fray, then cover it up with gold braid or whatever. It'll still be time consuming, but look great! ** See what's free at http:// www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
vliesofix is wonderunder in the states. What is being looked for is a fusible webbing the you apply to the back of the fabric and when you remove the backing the underside is a bit sticky so that it lessens the need for pins. Almost like basting spray. De -Original Message- In Australia we call in vliesofix. I think its put out by Vilene. I used it a lot with Irish dance dresses. Cheers, Aylwen On 31/05/2007, at 2:28 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: What is the name for that stuff? Sounds wonderfull! Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
Are you talking about Wonder Under? It is a fusible material, with paper on one side. You iron it to your fabric, then you can draw on the paper. Cut out the design, peel off the paper and you have a custom, iron-on appliqué. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:28 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery What is the name for that stuff? Sounds wonderfull! Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery In a message dated 5/30/2007 11:13:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or appliques of wool or silk and gold cord stichet on by machine. *** There are some amazing things made now to help you with applique. I used this stuff that was, not sticky as in gooey, but a heat activated bonding material that clung to whatever you wanted before any heat was applied, so you could move it around if you wanted, but it stayed put if you didn't peal it up. It did not become permanent until you blasted it with the iron. It had paper on both sides since both sides of the bonding stuff was clingy. You drew on one side of the paper the design elements you wanted, then pulled the other, unmarked paper off and bonded the whole uncut thing to the back of your decorative fabric. Then cut it out [the edges resisted fraying after being bonded] then placed all the elements where they needed to go, moving them and adjusting them as needed [they cling to the fabric] and when you got things in place, blasted them with steam and heat. They were now on for good. I did this with velvet even, using a velvet board and ironing from the back. Since it clings really well, I could pick up the whole thing and turn it over. Since all the red seems to be outlined in gold cord, this might work out well for you. I ran around all my appliques with a tight zig-zag, but you could get away with a wider one just to make sure everything is down and not going to fray, then cover it up with gold braid or whatever. It'll still be time consuming, but look great! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
Hi, Several years ago I found a picture on the internet that I really liked. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Blauw.jpg And several years ago I bought a very nice blue silk. I was wondering if red wool felt and gold cord would work for the embroidery. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
Ah yes! I've seen this portrait before. My first question, as always, is what did they do at the time? Embroidery I will admit is not my strongest suit and perhaps I am conjuring up the wrong mental picture of what you mean by wool felt. But my gut reaction is no, not wool. In part it is from my reading of inventories of the day... silk garments tend to be decorated with silk. Looking at the garment in Moda A Firenze I can't tell a darn thing. Oh well, had to try. Sorry, I hope your research turns up and answer, and that you will share it with us. Mari Several years ago I found a picture on the internet that I really liked. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Blauw.jpg And several years ago I bought a very nice blue silk. I was wondering if red wool felt and gold cord would work for the embroidery. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
Most likely, I am thinking appliques of red velvet, outlined with cord. Wool felt might work, but won't look as rich as the velvet would. Good luck, and I would love to see pictures when you are done. Kimiko --- Deredere Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Several years ago I found a picture on the internet that I really liked. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Blauw.jpg And several years ago I bought a very nice blue silk. I was wondering if red wool felt and gold cord would work for the embroidery. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
A quick look at JA's PoF, where an appliqué on silk was done it was silk, except for the one doublet with leather applique stitched with silk thread. I also think that while the wool would work, it would look better with velvet or silk alex On 5/29/07, Deredere Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Several years ago I found a picture on the internet that I really liked. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Blauw.jpg And several years ago I bought a very nice blue silk. I was wondering if red wool felt and gold cord would work for the embroidery. -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] 16th century dress question embroidery
There is a larger picture online somewhere that shows the red to be embroidery, probably silk thread. But if you are asking about cutting back on the embroidery by appliquing wool felt where there is red, I would recommend a velvet or silk. Not sure they would have appliqued wool on to silk back then. De -Original Message- Hi, Several years ago I found a picture on the internet that I really liked. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Blauw.jpg And several years ago I bought a very nice blue silk. I was wondering if red wool felt and gold cord would work for the embroidery. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
