Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing
There are many different groups of Amish, as someone pointed out, and they all have different dress traditions. The dress of the women I believe is derived from traditional rural PA German dress -- the shortgown specifically. The little peplum on these garments is interpreted, for example, as a little tab on the back of the garment, in some cases, but all the groups vary. The shortgown was held together with straight pins, and I think it is done that way still. And don't forget there are conservative Mennonites and Brethren groups that are not Amish, but are often confused with them -- all part of the sectarian Pennsylvania German sphere. I think that gas generators are permitted with some at least, and therefore they can run certain appliances in their homes. They are literally off the grid. Candace Perry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 4:54 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing So could the Amish conceivably use solar, since it doesn't connect to anywhere? Then they could use electric sewing machines (see, I got costume content in there--:-) ) Sharon C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 12:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing Kate M Bunting wrote: Curious... I thought the Amish eschewed modern technology, so I would have expected them to stick to natural fibres. The Amish value hard work and a simple lifestyle and shun worldliness in favor of close community support. This means that in many cases they do not adopt modern technology just to make their life easier or more comfortable or more entertaining. For example, they favor walking or horse drawn buggies for transportation over the automobile. However they will use things like refrigerators in cases of medical need, where medicine must be stored. There may be a telephone on a pole at an inconvenient distance from the house, for emergency use. Electricity is not used because it creates a connection to the outside world, and a dependence on something outside their church and community. For the most part technology and modern equipment is not avoided simply because it is modern, but because the community places more value on simplicity and self sacrifice, self sufficiency and piety than on the comforts of the modern world, and they believe that ownership of material goods like cars or tvs leads to inequalities within the community, and causes vanity and prideful behavior. They accept technology only when it fills a decided need. As for clothing, anyone who's been shopping lately knows that ready-to-wear is rife with polyester and other synthetic fabrics and that good natural cotton and linen and wool fabrics can be hard to come by. I suspect that a lot of poly and poly blends get used because of the ready availability, the slightly lower cost, and the simplicity and modesty of the fabric itself. They're not hung up on natural or organic or comfort, the cloth serves to cover the body. To make a special effort to only import natural cotton or linen for clothing would probably be seen as non-conformist, prideful, or self-centered activity and frowned upon. Having lived in all parts of Texas (south, central, and north) I know from experience that natural fiber fabric is hard to come by down there, too. I had problems with one shop that was selling fabric (imported from china) that was labeled as 100% cotton, yet which failed burn tests repeatedly. I told the store manger about it, we even did a burn test together in the store, but they still continued to carry it as (mis) labeled. So my guess is the FLDS ladies probably don't have a lot of choice about what they sew with either. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.4/1532 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 8:32 AM ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing
My favorite image is of a young Amish person zooming down the road on rollerblades... There's a contrast! There's apparently a term for the youthful let them try the world period teens are allowed to have during which usual rules don't apply as much, and it's Rumspringes which is just a lovely word. Literally, means jumping or springing around. OK, back to textiles Astrida ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing
Candace wrote: The Amish, I do believe, wear poly doubleknit almost exclusively... Curious... I thought the Amish eschewed modern technology, so I would have expected them to stick to natural fibres. Kate Bunting Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian University of Derby ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing
Kate M Bunting wrote: Curious... I thought the Amish eschewed modern technology, so I would have expected them to stick to natural fibres. The Amish value hard work and a simple lifestyle and shun worldliness in favor of close community support. This means that in many cases they do not adopt modern technology just to make their life easier or more comfortable or more entertaining. For example, they favor walking or horse drawn buggies for transportation over the automobile. However they will use things like refrigerators in cases of medical need, where medicine must be stored. There may be a telephone on a pole at an inconvenient distance from the house, for emergency use. Electricity is not used because it creates a connection to the outside world, and a dependence on something outside their church and community. For the most part technology and modern equipment is not avoided simply because it is modern, but because the community places more value on simplicity and self sacrifice, self sufficiency and piety than on the comforts of the modern world, and they believe that ownership of material goods like cars or tvs leads to inequalities within the community, and causes vanity and prideful behavior. They accept technology only when it fills a decided need. As for clothing, anyone who's been shopping lately knows that ready-to-wear is rife with polyester and other synthetic fabrics and that good natural cotton and linen and wool fabrics can be hard to come by. I suspect that a lot of poly and poly blends get used because of the ready availability, the slightly lower cost, and the simplicity and modesty of the fabric itself. They're not hung up on natural or organic or comfort, the cloth serves to cover the body. To make a special effort to only import natural cotton or linen for clothing would probably be seen as non-conformist, prideful, or self-centered activity and frowned upon. Having lived in all parts of Texas (south, central, and north) I know from experience that natural fiber fabric is hard to come by down there, too. I had problems with one shop that was selling fabric (imported from china) that was labeled as 100% cotton, yet which failed burn tests repeatedly. I told the store manger about it, we even did a burn test together in the store, but they still continued to carry it as (mis) labeled. So my guess is the FLDS ladies probably don't have a lot of choice about what they sew with either. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing
From my understanding each group leader (meeting?) decides when and which modern items conflict with community. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:36 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing Aren't there House Amish and Church Amish with different approaches to technology? If you found garments labeled 100% cotton, that were not, you can call the Federal Trade commission. The miislabeling might be intentional, having to do with quotas of cotton garments brought into the States. Me-- I would can make a stink bacause the store is selling fradulently labeled goods to consumers. The manufacturer in China is pulling a fast one in order to get beat the quota system. Who knows, you might save a job here in the US. But let me not get on that soapbox. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing Kate M Bunting wrote: Curious... I thought the Amish eschewed modern technology, so I would have expected them to stick to natural fibres. The Amish value hard work and a simple lifestyle and shun worldliness in favor of close community support. This means that in many cases they do not adopt modern technology just to make their life easier or more comfortable or more entertaining. For example, they favor walking or horse drawn buggies for transportation over the automobile. However they will use things like refrigerators in cases of medical need, where medicine must be stored. There may be a telephone on a pole at an inconvenient distance from the house, for emergency use. Electricity is not used because it creates a connection to the outside world, and a dependence on something outside their church and community. For the most part technology and modern equipment is not avoided simply because it is modern, but because the community places more value on simplicity and self sacrifice, self sufficiency and piety than on the comforts of the modern world, and they believe that ownership of material goods like cars or tvs leads to inequalities within the community, and causes vanity and prideful behavior. They accept technology only when it fills a decided need. As for clothing, anyone who's been shopping lately knows that ready-to-wear is rife with polyester and other synthetic fabrics and that good natural cotton and linen and wool fabrics can be hard to come by. I suspect that a lot of poly and poly blends get used because of the ready availability, the slightly lower cost, and the simplicity and modesty of the fabric itself. They're not hung up on natural or organic or comfort, the cloth serves to cover the body. To make a special effort to only import natural cotton or linen for clothing would probably be seen as non-conformist, prideful, or self-centered activity and frowned upon. Having lived in all parts of Texas (south, central, and north) I know from experience that natural fiber fabric is hard to come by down there, too. I had problems with one shop that was selling fabric (imported from china) that was labeled as 100% cotton, yet which failed burn tests repeatedly. I told the store manger about it, we even did a burn test together in the store, but they still continued to carry it as (mis) labeled. So my guess is the FLDS ladies probably don't have a lot of choice about what they sew with either. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing
So could the Amish conceivably use solar, since it doesn't connect to anywhere? Then they could use electric sewing machines (see, I got costume content in there--:-) ) Sharon C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 12:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing, was FLDS clothing Kate M Bunting wrote: Curious... I thought the Amish eschewed modern technology, so I would have expected them to stick to natural fibres. The Amish value hard work and a simple lifestyle and shun worldliness in favor of close community support. This means that in many cases they do not adopt modern technology just to make their life easier or more comfortable or more entertaining. For example, they favor walking or horse drawn buggies for transportation over the automobile. However they will use things like refrigerators in cases of medical need, where medicine must be stored. There may be a telephone on a pole at an inconvenient distance from the house, for emergency use. Electricity is not used because it creates a connection to the outside world, and a dependence on something outside their church and community. For the most part technology and modern equipment is not avoided simply because it is modern, but because the community places more value on simplicity and self sacrifice, self sufficiency and piety than on the comforts of the modern world, and they believe that ownership of material goods like cars or tvs leads to inequalities within the community, and causes vanity and prideful behavior. They accept technology only when it fills a decided need. As for clothing, anyone who's been shopping lately knows that ready-to-wear is rife with polyester and other synthetic fabrics and that good natural cotton and linen and wool fabrics can be hard to come by. I suspect that a lot of poly and poly blends get used because of the ready availability, the slightly lower cost, and the simplicity and modesty of the fabric itself. They're not hung up on natural or organic or comfort, the cloth serves to cover the body. To make a special effort to only import natural cotton or linen for clothing would probably be seen as non-conformist, prideful, or self-centered activity and frowned upon. Having lived in all parts of Texas (south, central, and north) I know from experience that natural fiber fabric is hard to come by down there, too. I had problems with one shop that was selling fabric (imported from china) that was labeled as 100% cotton, yet which failed burn tests repeatedly. I told the store manger about it, we even did a burn test together in the store, but they still continued to carry it as (mis) labeled. So my guess is the FLDS ladies probably don't have a lot of choice about what they sew with either. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.4/1532 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 8:32 AM ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing (Was FLDS Clothing)
Where I grew up in the Canadian prairies there are numerous Hutterite communities that have a similar modest dress code. You can often tell which colony they came from by the colors they wear. Predominantly blues, navy and black were the most common in my area, and others have a bit more variety in color especially for their youth. Boys wear dark slacks, white or light colored (blue or grey) shirts and suspenders. Old fashioned Hats in felt or straw also very common. Girls are either in a full skirted lower calf or ankle length dress or a full skirt and very modest blouse. All of the ladies wore a black or navy kerchief that always had white polkadots on their head and often aprons - I think mostly for the married women. Little girls wore bonnets. Very germanic in feel, in fact most of them still speak German. As a kid I always got a kick out of the fact most of the girls wore white running shoes - very anachronistic. :0) The Mennonites were much more open to modern clothing, but many of the women adopt a simple modest style - jumper style dresses and blouses, long skirts, very specific hairstyles and sometimes a simple head cover/bonnet. Sheridan P ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing (Was FLDS Clothing)
The Amish, I do believe, wear poly doubleknit almost exclusively...certainly easy to ascertain if you hang out in Lancaster Co. PA long enough! It is easy to care for. There is nothing quite as fragrant as an Amish adolescent boy in a violet poly shirt. Candace Perry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Sheridan Chabot Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing (Was FLDS Clothing) Where I grew up in the Canadian prairies there are numerous Hutterite communities that have a similar modest dress code. You can often tell which colony they came from by the colors they wear. Predominantly blues, navy and black were the most common in my area, and others have a bit more variety in color especially for their youth. Boys wear dark slacks, white or light colored (blue or grey) shirts and suspenders. Old fashioned Hats in felt or straw also very common. Girls are either in a full skirted lower calf or ankle length dress or a full skirt and very modest blouse. All of the ladies wore a black or navy kerchief that always had white polkadots on their head and often aprons - I think mostly for the married women. Little girls wore bonnets. Very germanic in feel, in fact most of them still speak German. As a kid I always got a kick out of the fact most of the girls wore white running shoes - very anachronistic. :0) The Mennonites were much more open to modern clothing, but many of the women adopt a simple modest style - jumper style dresses and blouses, long skirts, very specific hairstyles and sometimes a simple head cover/bonnet. Sheridan P ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing (Was FLDS Clothing)
The biggest problem in my experience with poly is the fact it holds body oder so well. This might be good to help for police dogs, but not for people who wear it. Monica -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Candace Perry Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:09 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing (Was FLDS Clothing) The Amish, I do believe, wear poly doubleknit almost exclusively...certainly easy to ascertain if you hang out in Lancaster Co. PA long enough! It is easy to care for. There is nothing quite as fragrant as an Amish adolescent boy in a violet poly shirt. Candace Perry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Sheridan Chabot Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Modest clothing (Was FLDS Clothing) Where I grew up in the Canadian prairies there are numerous Hutterite communities that have a similar modest dress code. You can often tell which colony they came from by the colors they wear. Predominantly blues, navy and black were the most common in my area, and others have a bit more variety in color especially for their youth. Boys wear dark slacks, white or light colored (blue or grey) shirts and suspenders. Old fashioned Hats in felt or straw also very common. Girls are either in a full skirted lower calf or ankle length dress or a full skirt and very modest blouse. All of the ladies wore a black or navy kerchief that always had white polkadots on their head and often aprons - I think mostly for the married women. Little girls wore bonnets. Very germanic in feel, in fact most of them still speak German. As a kid I always got a kick out of the fact most of the girls wore white running shoes - very anachronistic. :0) The Mennonites were much more open to modern clothing, but many of the women adopt a simple modest style - jumper style dresses and blouses, long skirts, very specific hairstyles and sometimes a simple head cover/bonnet. Sheridan P ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
