Re: [h-cost] fine drawing
You're right. Fine drawing is described in the instructions as "like lacing" so it sounds like it could be used to reinforce a seam. It just wouldn't look anything like the pictures I posted when used that way. :-) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] fine drawing samples
Those remind me greatly of the stitch used in "pattern darning" Of an Icelandic altar-cloth (charted by Carol... hmm; I'll find it if anybody really needs to know); which I also saw taught/demonstrated at a Pennsic class on hand sewing as a technique to repair small rips: up through the cloth beside the rip, down thru the cut and up again on the other side- repeat for a bit of a figure 8 pattern. Works really well too! Betsy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:11 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] fine drawing samples I don't know if this helps with the definition you're looking for or not, but here are two samples of "fine drawing" from Woolman's "Sewing Course," c1900, where it's used to patch damask. It was also used on heavy cloth as the stitches could be hidden in the material. It's different from seaming, but it does join two pieces butted together without overlap the way seaming does. http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing01.jpg http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing03.jpg The dotted piece is about 2.5 cm and the fringed one just over 3 cm. I have a brief description and illustration of it in my book, "Plain Needlework - A Guide to Nineteenth Century Hand Sewing." http://hollisandbell.com/ Melissa Roberts - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fine drawing samples
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if this helps with the definition you're looking for or not, but here are two samples of "fine drawing" from Woolman's "Sewing Course," c1900, where it's used to patch damask. It was also used on heavy cloth as the stitches could be hidden in the material. It's different from seaming, but it does join two pieces butted together without overlap the way seaming does. http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing01.jpg http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing03.jpg Thanks, but in the quote I was looking at, the seam has already been backstitched, so it doesn't make any sense that it would then use a technique like that. I think it's more likely to be the ladder-stitch that was suggested before, as a method of reinforcement to prevent the center seam from having too much stress on it. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] fine drawing samples
I don't know if this helps with the definition you're looking for or not, but here are two samples of "fine drawing" from Woolman's "Sewing Course," c1900, where it's used to patch damask. It was also used on heavy cloth as the stitches could be hidden in the material. It's different from seaming, but it does join two pieces butted together without overlap the way seaming does. http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing01.jpg http://www.hollisandbell.com/Cat7706/finedrawing03.jpg The dotted piece is about 2.5 cm and the fringed one just over 3 cm. I have a brief description and illustration of it in my book, "Plain Needlework - A Guide to Nineteenth Century Hand Sewing." http://hollisandbell.com/ Melissa Roberts - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fine drawing
Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: I perhaps didnt realise wich part of the suit you have read that fine drawing should be used. Is it for the slash you make at the top of the back vent opening, to make an extra pleat? It's for joining the center back seam above the pleats "working from the skirt opening upwards". The instructions for the pleats are in the next paragraph. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] fine drawing
I perhaps didnt realise wich part of the suit you have read that fine drawing should be used. Is it for the slash you make at the top of the back vent opening, to make an extra pleat? Then she perhaps is meaning that this seam should be very accurately made with tiny stitches, to hold well, as there only is very little seam allowance here. For my gustavian suit, wich has this slash and extra pleat, i whipstitched the parts together, with very fine stitches. It perhaps is one of the most difficult places on a coat to make. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fine drawing?
I am going to hazzard a guess here as a seamstress, not as an authority on 18th century men's wear. I would think that the fine drawing may mean a fine gathering stitch used to make the upper layer lay flat. I have done many curved seams though, and never needed to use that method, but it does help in getting sleeves into armholes (hidden gathering stitch, of course). Just a possibility. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:32:19 +0100 To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fine drawing? Hi Dawn, Gosh i never read that chapter, i surely will now. I dont understand this fine-drawing thing either. Never heard it. Dont you think they just mean that you have to press the seams to the sides and iron? I have never seen any stitches used on the right side of the back pieces. In the american book Costume Close Up there are sewing instruktions two of a mans coat. Only types of stitches used is: back stitches, point á rabattre sous la main and slanted hemming stitches. Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Dawn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:48 AM Subject: [h-cost] fine drawing? > I'm trying to translate instructions from _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ for > the assembly of an 18th century coat. (page 88 of the recent hardcover > edition) > > "The backs are joined together by backstitching on the wrong side and then > fine-drawing on the right, working from the skirt opening upwards." > > > Backstitching I understand, but "fine-drawing" has me lost. I found two > references online that seem to suggest it is a method for joining fabric > by butting the edges together, but that doesn't work with a seam that's > already backstitched... does it? > > Can anyone clarify this for me? > > > > Dawn > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Netscape. just the net you need ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fine drawing?
Hi Dawn, Gosh i never read that chapter, i surely will now. I dont understand this fine-drawing thing either. Never heard it. Dont you think they just mean that you have to press the seams to the sides and iron? I have never seen any stitches used on the right side of the back pieces. In the american book Costume Close Up there are sewing instruktions two of a mans coat. Only types of stitches used is: back stitches, point á rabattre sous la main and slanted hemming stitches. Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Dawn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:48 AM Subject: [h-cost] fine drawing? I'm trying to translate instructions from _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ for the assembly of an 18th century coat. (page 88 of the recent hardcover edition) "The backs are joined together by backstitching on the wrong side and then fine-drawing on the right, working from the skirt opening upwards." Backstitching I understand, but "fine-drawing" has me lost. I found two references online that seem to suggest it is a method for joining fabric by butting the edges together, but that doesn't work with a seam that's already backstitched... does it? Can anyone clarify this for me? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] fine drawing?
I'm trying to translate instructions from _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ for the assembly of an 18th century coat. (page 88 of the recent hardcover edition) "The backs are joined together by backstitching on the wrong side and then fine-drawing on the right, working from the skirt opening upwards." Backstitching I understand, but "fine-drawing" has me lost. I found two references online that seem to suggest it is a method for joining fabric by butting the edges together, but that doesn't work with a seam that's already backstitched... does it? Can anyone clarify this for me? Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
