Re: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England?
Greetings, In the wills and inventories I work with the only reference to any sort of holder or container for thread has been 4 bowttes of blacke thred, which I took to be bolt (from the 1543 will of the porter of of the King's Wardrobe). Otherwise they just specify colour or colour and amount of thread, and sometimes fiber if it is silk. Yarns and wools they tend to get more descriptive about. Thread is mentioned extremely rarely, aside from the above exception, I have only found it in Drapers or Tailor's wills and inventories. Although, I'm sure it would also turn up in other similar trades such as silkwomen, I just haven't gathered any of their probate documents yet. Hope that helps. Cheers, Danielle At 01:27 PM 4/23/2007, you wrote: OK, here's the question: I work at a Renn Faire, and would like to be able to do some handsewing, most likely linen shirts for my child. I don't want to have my plastic spools of thread flashing about! How did Elizabethans work with thread? Was it wound on spools (wooden, I assume)? Was it somehow put into hanks (like modern-day floss)? How can I make my thread look right? *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England?
I would think that you could use dowels or a smooth piece of branch, minus the bark if you can't find the old wooden spools. Kate - Original Message - From: MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:12 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England? I have found flat winders a pain to use, so instead I found some spools that are still modern shaped but made out of wood, and wound the thread on those. I also found some old wooden spools among my grandmothers sewing stuff! You can sand off any logo or printing on the ends and you're good to go. They're easy to use (once you get passed the tedium of rewinding thread on them) and don't draw attention to themselves, which is really the point. Brava, by the way, to you for recognizing this as a problem and wanting to do something about it. I've seen too many white plastic spools at Faire and gotten too many blank stares when I suggested that they should at least be concealed when in use. MaggiRos --- Rebecca Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Little balls, huh? I could probably do that! Or wound around a small card...yeah Thanks! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England?
OK, here's the question: I work at a Renn Faire, and would like to be able to do some handsewing, most likely linen shirts for my child. I don't want to have my plastic spools of thread flashing about! How did Elizabethans work with thread? Was it wound on spools (wooden, I assume)? Was it somehow put into hanks (like modern-day floss)? How can I make my thread look right? *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England?
On Apr 23, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: OK, here's the question: I work at a Renn Faire, and would like to be able to do some handsewing, most likely linen shirts for my child. I don't want to have my plastic spools of thread flashing about! How did Elizabethans work with thread? Was it wound on spools (wooden, I assume)? Was it somehow put into hanks (like modern-day floss)? How can I make my thread look right? The best 16th-century images I've been able to find seem to have thread/yarn either (1) wound into little balls, kept in a box, or (2) wound around something small, rectangular and flat (no indication of what it is, since the images are little details in the corners of paintings...) I would guess that sewing thread might have been sold in hanks, but I really don't know. I am fairly sure that silk embroidery thread was, and flat thread winders have been suggested as a plausible way to wind off part of a hank of silk so you could cut lengths to work with. You might find these articles helpful -- though I'll warn you, while you see a lot of the needlebooks shown here (on the project page in this issue) at Renaissance Faires, the documentation for them is not terribly good. They show up in re-drawings by Herbert Norris, who often (but not always) had good sources for what he showed, but never tells you where he found things :( http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/filum/Filum_28_workbox.pdf OChris Laning [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com a.k.a. O Christian Ashley, gentlewoman to Lady Stafford + Chris Laning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guild of St. George, Northern California http://paternosters.blogspot.com - http://paternoster-row.org ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England?
Little balls, huh? I could probably do that! Or wound around a small card...yeah Thanks! *** Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash *** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Laning Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:45 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England? On Apr 23, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: OK, here's the question: I work at a Renn Faire, and would like to be able to do some handsewing, most likely linen shirts for my child. I don't want to have my plastic spools of thread flashing about! How did Elizabethans work with thread? Was it wound on spools (wooden, I assume)? Was it somehow put into hanks (like modern-day floss)? How can I make my thread look right? The best 16th-century images I've been able to find seem to have thread/yarn either (1) wound into little balls, kept in a box, or (2) wound around something small, rectangular and flat (no indication of what it is, since the images are little details in the corners of paintings...) I would guess that sewing thread might have been sold in hanks, but I really don't know. I am fairly sure that silk embroidery thread was, and flat thread winders have been suggested as a plausible way to wind off part of a hank of silk so you could cut lengths to work with. You might find these articles helpful -- though I'll warn you, while you see a lot of the needlebooks shown here (on the project page in this issue) at Renaissance Faires, the documentation for them is not terribly good. They show up in re-drawings by Herbert Norris, who often (but not always) had good sources for what he showed, but never tells you where he found things :( http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/filum/Filum_28_workbox.pdf OChris Laning [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com a.k.a. O Christian Ashley, gentlewoman to Lady Stafford + Chris Laning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guild of St. George, Northern California http://paternosters.blogspot.com - http://paternoster-row.org ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England?
I have found flat winders a pain to use, so instead I found some spools that are still modern shaped but made out of wood, and wound the thread on those. I also found some old wooden spools among my grandmothers sewing stuff! You can sand off any logo or printing on the ends and you're good to go. They're easy to use (once you get passed the tedium of rewinding thread on them) and don't draw attention to themselves, which is really the point. Brava, by the way, to you for recognizing this as a problem and wanting to do something about it. I've seen too many white plastic spools at Faire and gotten too many blank stares when I suggested that they should at least be concealed when in use. MaggiRos --- Rebecca Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Little balls, huh? I could probably do that! Or wound around a small card...yeah Thanks! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
