Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Someone posted a link to the cover picture, not the one inside that you had described for me. Suzi has sent me a scan of the page in question, so I have both images in my collection now. every bit of information that I can find about the dolls is really wonderful. Oh and to make this really historical costume related, these dolls in these images aren't fashion dolls. Fashion dolls didn't really come into common use until the mid-17th or later centuries. Everything I've found with dolls from the 16th and early 17th century show the doll matching it's owner, so an English girl's doll wears English styles, the German girl's doll wears German styles and the Spanish girl's doll wears Spanish styles. If anyone has something different I'd love to see it! alex On 3/22/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > I get a little confused now. The cover book picture, shows 3 girls. First > girl carries grapes in her right hand, second girl has pears and the > little > girl a doll. > > Bjarne > > The picture asked for was inside, and only in black and white. > > - Original Message - > From: "Suzi Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:05 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question > > > > At 13:10 22/03/2006, you wrote: > >>Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> > >>>Hi Susan, > >>>This is the picture on the cover of the book, the other one is inside > the > >>>book. > >>>So its not this one, unfortunately. > >> > >>That one was so tiny, if it *was* the correct picture, I don't know how > >>much good it would have been. Sounds like when I finish this > >>dissertation, I'm going to have to ILL this book too. My library > >>doesn't have it. > > > > > > The description of the picture on the front cover is as follows > "Portrait > > of three young girls, circle of Robert Peake, c. 1620" > > > > The relevant picture is of three children. The boy on the left carries a > > whip, or gloves - the picture is not very clear. The child in the > middle, > > a girl, carries a doll, and the third girl seems to be holding the > younger > > girl's leading strings. This is the one that matches the description > that > > Bjarne gave, and not the coloured one recently shown. (I've wiped all > the > > previous correspondence - sorry.) > > > > Alexandria, I can scan this for you if it would help? > > > > Suzi > > > > > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Sorry Suzi, It was me having two much in my head at the time. Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Suzi Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question At 16:16 22/03/2006, you wrote: Hi, I get a little confused now. The cover book picture, shows 3 girls. First girl carries grapes in her right hand, second girl has pears and the little girl a doll. Bjarne The picture asked for was inside, and only in black and white. That is the description you gave, but someone posted the picture on the cover. I was simply clarifying the situation, and Alexandria now has a copy of the picture inside, which is the one you described in the first place. Suzi At 13:10 22/03/2006, you wrote: Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi Susan, This is the picture on the cover of the book, the other one is inside the book. So its not this one, unfortunately. That one was so tiny, if it *was* the correct picture, I don't know how much good it would have been. Sounds like when I finish this dissertation, I'm going to have to ILL this book too. My library doesn't have it. The description of the picture on the front cover is as follows "Portrait of three young girls, circle of Robert Peake, c. 1620" The relevant picture is of three children. The boy on the left carries a whip, or gloves - the picture is not very clear. The child in the middle, a girl, carries a doll, and the third girl seems to be holding the younger girl's leading strings. This is the one that matches the description that Bjarne gave, and not the coloured one recently shown. (I've wiped all the previous correspondence - sorry.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
At 16:16 22/03/2006, you wrote: Hi, I get a little confused now. The cover book picture, shows 3 girls. First girl carries grapes in her right hand, second girl has pears and the little girl a doll. Bjarne The picture asked for was inside, and only in black and white. That is the description you gave, but someone posted the picture on the cover. I was simply clarifying the situation, and Alexandria now has a copy of the picture inside, which is the one you described in the first place. Suzi At 13:10 22/03/2006, you wrote: Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi Susan, This is the picture on the cover of the book, the other one is inside the book. So its not this one, unfortunately. That one was so tiny, if it *was* the correct picture, I don't know how much good it would have been. Sounds like when I finish this dissertation, I'm going to have to ILL this book too. My library doesn't have it. The description of the picture on the front cover is as follows "Portrait of three young girls, circle of Robert Peake, c. 1620" The relevant picture is of three children. The boy on the left carries a whip, or gloves - the picture is not very clear. The child in the middle, a girl, carries a doll, and the third girl seems to be holding the younger girl's leading strings. This is the one that matches the description that Bjarne gave, and not the coloured one recently shown. (I've wiped all the previous correspondence - sorry.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Hi, I get a little confused now. The cover book picture, shows 3 girls. First girl carries grapes in her right hand, second girl has pears and the little girl a doll. Bjarne The picture asked for was inside, and only in black and white. - Original Message - From: "Suzi Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question At 13:10 22/03/2006, you wrote: Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi Susan, This is the picture on the cover of the book, the other one is inside the book. So its not this one, unfortunately. That one was so tiny, if it *was* the correct picture, I don't know how much good it would have been. Sounds like when I finish this dissertation, I'm going to have to ILL this book too. My library doesn't have it. The description of the picture on the front cover is as follows "Portrait of three young girls, circle of Robert Peake, c. 1620" The relevant picture is of three children. The boy on the left carries a whip, or gloves - the picture is not very clear. The child in the middle, a girl, carries a doll, and the third girl seems to be holding the younger girl's leading strings. This is the one that matches the description that Bjarne gave, and not the coloured one recently shown. (I've wiped all the previous correspondence - sorry.) Alexandria, I can scan this for you if it would help? Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
> > > > The description of the picture on the front cover is as follows > "Portrait of three young girls, circle of Robert Peake, c. 1620" > > The relevant picture is of three children. The boy on the left > carries a whip, or gloves - the picture is not very clear. The child > in the middle, a girl, carries a doll, and the third girl seems to be > holding the younger girl's leading strings. This is the one that > matches the description that Bjarne gave, and not the coloured one > recently shown. (I've wiped all the previous correspondence - sorry.) > > Alexandria, I can scan this for you if it would help? > > Suzi > > > Please, please please, thank you thank you thank you Sending it directly to me would be wonderful and I'll post it with the other photos I have in case anyone else is interested in seeing it. alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
At 13:10 22/03/2006, you wrote: Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi Susan, This is the picture on the cover of the book, the other one is inside the book. So its not this one, unfortunately. That one was so tiny, if it *was* the correct picture, I don't know how much good it would have been. Sounds like when I finish this dissertation, I'm going to have to ILL this book too. My library doesn't have it. The description of the picture on the front cover is as follows "Portrait of three young girls, circle of Robert Peake, c. 1620" The relevant picture is of three children. The boy on the left carries a whip, or gloves - the picture is not very clear. The child in the middle, a girl, carries a doll, and the third girl seems to be holding the younger girl's leading strings. This is the one that matches the description that Bjarne gave, and not the coloured one recently shown. (I've wiped all the previous correspondence - sorry.) Alexandria, I can scan this for you if it would help? Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Most of the paintings I've seen of boys in this time period they are wearing a high neck doublet, with skirts, not the scooped neck of these bodices, so I think these are girls, in matching dresses. Pretty little dresses too alex On 3/22/06, Lloyd Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ah, but remember that boys of this time period did not wear distinctive > dress until they had been breached! > Kathleen > --- Original Message - > From: "Alexandria Doyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:10 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question > > > I have this one, and it looks like three girls, not the boy and two > sisters > described. I've found a couple of James I family paintings, but not this > one, yet. > > alex > > > > > I got this one to show up that sounds like it might be it, but it's > > > tiny. > > > > http://www.elalmanaque.com/infantil/images/Retratoninasp.jpg > > > > And of course, if would have helped if I'd uncluded the URL! > > > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi Susan, This is the picture on the cover of the book, the other one is inside the book. So its not this one, unfortunately. That one was so tiny, if it *was* the correct picture, I don't know how much good it would have been. Sounds like when I finish this dissertation, I'm going to have to ILL this book too. My library doesn't have it. Susan === Quoting "Susan B. Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I got this one to show up that sounds like it might be it, but it's tiny. http://www.elalmanaque.com/infantil/images/Retratoninasp.jpg - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Ah, but remember that boys of this time period did not wear distinctive dress until they had been breached! Kathleen --- Original Message - From: "Alexandria Doyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question I have this one, and it looks like three girls, not the boy and two sisters described. I've found a couple of James I family paintings, but not this one, yet. alex > > I got this one to show up that sounds like it might be it, but it's > > tiny. > > http://www.elalmanaque.com/infantil/images/Retratoninasp.jpg > > And of course, if would have helped if I'd uncluded the URL! > > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Hi Susan, This is the picture on the cover of the book, the other one is inside the book. So its not this one, unfortunately. Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Susan B. Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question Quoting "Susan B. Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Quoting Alexandria Doyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Thank you, now to see if I can find an online image somewhere as it doesn't sound like something that I have I got this one to show up that sounds like it might be it, but it's tiny. http://www.elalmanaque.com/infantil/images/Retratoninasp.jpg And of course, if would have helped if I'd uncluded the URL! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
I have this one, and it looks like three girls, not the boy and two sisters described. I've found a couple of James I family paintings, but not this one, yet. alex > > I got this one to show up that sounds like it might be it, but it's > > tiny. > > http://www.elalmanaque.com/infantil/images/Retratoninasp.jpg > > And of course, if would have helped if I'd uncluded the URL! > > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Quoting "Susan B. Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Quoting Alexandria Doyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Thank you, now to see if I can find an online image somewhere as it doesn't sound like something that I have I got this one to show up that sounds like it might be it, but it's tiny. http://www.elalmanaque.com/infantil/images/Retratoninasp.jpg And of course, if would have helped if I'd uncluded the URL! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Quoting Alexandria Doyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Thank you, now to see if I can find an online image somewhere as it doesn't sound like something that I have I got this one to show up that sounds like it might be it, but it's tiny. Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Thank you, now to see if I can find an online image somewhere as it doesn't sound like something that I have alex On 3/21/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That will be plate 127. > "All three childrean wear elaborate clothes, the boy and elder girl with a > suggestion of a farthingale. Their varying collar shapes, and upright > cuffs, > are edged with bobbin lace imitating punto in aria. All three have broad > shoe roses, and their sashes are deeply fringed with gold lace. The boy > wears a doublet, not a bodice, with his skirt, and he carries a sword. The > youngest child´s gocart stands at the side, while her sister holds her > leading strings. The painting is dated 161-, entitled James I familey´, > and > the ages of the children given as 5, 2, 4. The dates of birth of James´s > three eldest - Henry, Elizabeth and Margaret, born in 1594, 1596 and 1598 > respectively - make1600 or 1601 a likely year for the painting, Robert > Peake. > > Bjarne > > - Original Message - > From: "Alexandria Doyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:45 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question > > > There are suppose to be two paintings or other type of images of children > with "fashion dolls" of the 16th and 17th century pictured in the book. I > am looking to find out who the images are of or who the artists of these > images are, to see if they're something I already have, or if I need to > get > a copy of this book so I can add those to my doll image collection. > > thanks > alex > > > On 3/21/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I have it right here, but i cant understand what it is you want? > > > > Bjarne > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Alexandria Doyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:10 PM > > Subject: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question > > > > > > Does anyone have the book "Lace in Fashion: From the 16th to the 20th > > Century" by Pat Earnshaw? > > > > I'm looking less to have the book for the lace as the reported two > images > > of > > 16th/17th century children with dolls. I've seen the cover of the book > > with > > one of those images, but I'm looking to find out who the subject/artist > of > > the other image is. > > > > thanks > > alex > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > ___ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
That will be plate 127. "All three childrean wear elaborate clothes, the boy and elder girl with a suggestion of a farthingale. Their varying collar shapes, and upright cuffs, are edged with bobbin lace imitating punto in aria. All three have broad shoe roses, and their sashes are deeply fringed with gold lace. The boy wears a doublet, not a bodice, with his skirt, and he carries a sword. The youngest child´s gocart stands at the side, while her sister holds her leading strings. The painting is dated 161-, entitled James I familey´, and the ages of the children given as 5, 2, 4. The dates of birth of James´s three eldest - Henry, Elizabeth and Margaret, born in 1594, 1596 and 1598 respectively - make1600 or 1601 a likely year for the painting, Robert Peake. Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Alexandria Doyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question There are suppose to be two paintings or other type of images of children with "fashion dolls" of the 16th and 17th century pictured in the book. I am looking to find out who the images are of or who the artists of these images are, to see if they're something I already have, or if I need to get a copy of this book so I can add those to my doll image collection. thanks alex On 3/21/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have it right here, but i cant understand what it is you want? Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Alexandria Doyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question Does anyone have the book "Lace in Fashion: From the 16th to the 20th Century" by Pat Earnshaw? I'm looking less to have the book for the lace as the reported two images of 16th/17th century children with dolls. I've seen the cover of the book with one of those images, but I'm looking to find out who the subject/artist of the other image is. thanks alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
There are suppose to be two paintings or other type of images of children with "fashion dolls" of the 16th and 17th century pictured in the book. I am looking to find out who the images are of or who the artists of these images are, to see if they're something I already have, or if I need to get a copy of this book so I can add those to my doll image collection. thanks alex On 3/21/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have it right here, but i cant understand what it is you want? > > Bjarne > > > - Original Message - > From: "Alexandria Doyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:10 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question > > > Does anyone have the book "Lace in Fashion: From the 16th to the 20th > Century" by Pat Earnshaw? > > I'm looking less to have the book for the lace as the reported two images > of > 16th/17th century children with dolls. I've seen the cover of the book > with > one of those images, but I'm looking to find out who the subject/artist of > the other image is. > > thanks > alex > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
I have it right here, but i cant understand what it is you want? Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Alexandria Doyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question Does anyone have the book "Lace in Fashion: From the 16th to the 20th Century" by Pat Earnshaw? I'm looking less to have the book for the lace as the reported two images of 16th/17th century children with dolls. I've seen the cover of the book with one of those images, but I'm looking to find out who the subject/artist of the other image is. thanks alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
