Re: [h-cost] Men' Flemish Garb
Quoting michaela [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2) Are sleeve seams under the arm? That's the way they appear to me. Or down the back? It's a bit hard to say for sure. If you look at the peasants by Hans Sebald Beham of the similar timeframe, most almost certainly have seams going up under the arm, then in some other woodcuts of a similar subject also by Beham show a much earlier cut in the shoulders and seams down the back of the arm. http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/MWEBimages/P_d02_mm/full/61_41_3.jpg seam up the back of the arm. Cool pictures. I assume that these are from the same work. Do you have a URL for that? I tried backing through the image URL but it didn't work, and I don't have a clue what keywords to search for! Thanks, susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Men' Flemish Garb
http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/MWEBimages/P_d02_mm/full/61_41_3.jpg Cool pictures. I assume that these are from the same work. Do you have a URL for that? I tried backing through the image URL but it didn't work, and I don't have a clue what keywords to search for! Unfortunately LACMA has super long URLs and those tinyurl things only last for so long;) I was going to write a how to to get to all the information pages but I figured if anyone was curious they would ask;) http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/ Then click search then type in Beham (or Beham peasant should get those specific woodcuts.) Most of the images were from a series of the 12 months, but a few are from other works. Getting to all the bildindex Bruegel images is as easy but the site is in German and can be confusing. Though http://www.artcyclopedia.com is really good for finding the individual galleries for each Bruegel who painted. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/418 - Release Date: 14/08/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Men' Flemish Garb
Quoting michaela [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/MWEBimages/P_d02_mm/full/61_41_3.jpg Cool pictures. I assume that these are from the same work. Do you have a URL for that? I tried backing through the image URL but it didn't work, and I don't have a clue what keywords to search for! Unfortunately LACMA has super long URLs and those tinyurl things only last for so long;) I was going to write a how to to get to all the information pages but I figured if anyone was curious they would ask;) http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/ Then click search then type in Beham (or Beham peasant should get those specific woodcuts.) Thanks! That's exactly what I wanted to know! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Men' Flemish Garb
Terri Hirling wrote: 1) In Breughel The Peasant's Wedding, ( http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/bruegel/wedding.jpg) the shirt tails of the fellows in the red doublets are out and the point holes are empty (difficult to see in the above link). Still the laces can be seen hanging below the shirt. Did the shirt also have point holes to which the tights were fastened? I don't believe so. I think they've probably just got few/none of the laces done up-- rather like this fellow http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bruegel/pieter_e/painting/cockayne.jpg 2) Are sleeve seams under the arm? That's the way they appear to me. Or down the back? Down the back, as far as I can tell. This is the construction method I'm most familiar with in 16th-century clothing, and you can see a hint of it on the man in blue in the foreground, and on the bagpiper in tan. 3) Was the usual peasant's jerkin cut short? If longer, how much longer (from the waist)? Don't know. The men in Breughel that I can think of have doublets/jackets but no jerkins. -- Adele de Maisieres - Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus - ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Men' Flemish Garb
2) Are sleeve seams under the arm? That's the way they appear to me. Or down the back? It's a bit hard to say for sure. If you look at the peasants by Hans Sebald Beham of the similar timeframe, most almost certainly have seams going up under the arm, then in some other woodcuts of a similar subject also by Beham show a much earlier cut in the shoulders and seams down the back of the arm. http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/MWEBimages/P_d02_mm/full/61_41_3.jpg seam up the back of the arm. http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/MWEBimages/P_d02_mm/full/61_41_10.jpg http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/MWEBimages/P_d02_mm/full/61_41_7.jpg seams most likely underneath. http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/MWEBimages/P_d02_mm/full/61_41_11.jpg Figure second from right, the seam is under the arm. These are German though show many similarities. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just a lead on some further images: http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi04530g09a.jpg It'sa bit later but looks like the seam goes up the back. http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi00302c04a.jpg Odd shoulder piecing, but seams likely under the arm or only slightly rotated to the back (which seems to work well for German garb as well rather than stright under the arm or right up the back of the arm. http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmc650778a.jpg The paint possibly shows an indication of a back seam on both figures, but that's up to interpretation. http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi04530g08a.jpg Farmers? I think the figure on the left is female. http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi03974g09a.jpg Especially compared to this figure of a farmer's(?) wife. http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi03974g08a.jpg Woodcutters. I'm sure I've seen another costume study by Bruegel, but I simply can't find it. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 11/08/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
