Re: [Hampshire] pcworld southampton & linux
>> I can load a new bit of hardware and drivers on windows with no problem. > Yep, So can I. Example1 My graphics tablet required two windows reboots to install the drivers! On three different linux live distros and my Mandy desktop I simply plugged it in and it worked in parrallel with the mouse. I had the same issue with my trackballs and Nb utton mice. Windows was a multple reboot - linux was just plug and go! Example2 Regarding windows just working we had a problem with SQLSvr. It was supposed to be raid compatible however this is only for a limited number of raid cards - you buy a specific high end (>400UKP) card and you end up with a corrupt database and/or random gibberish results. Support finally admitted that the card was not SSsvr certified - and that unless the NTFS "driver chain" is "fully compliant" (through to the hardware drivers) and disks! then SSvr "could have issues". The only other database I know of that binds so hard to the underlying filesystem drivers is Oracle when running in raw disk mode... So, SSvr binds to low level NTFS API's not accessible to the competition and while Sybase,Postgres,Oracle et.al have no probs with the card SSvr quietly, invisibly trashes your data! Jacqui -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] pcworld southampton & linux
> I have the greatest respect for the windows system provided it has no > contact > with the Internet. I have seen well created windows systems boot in 20 > seconds flat which is faster than any linux system I have seen. Pick your hardware. I can build a Linux system on it that will boot faster than Windows. Don't confuse the time before a desktop appears with the time to boot; Windows is notorious for bringing up a GUI before anything is actually functional. Add to that the fact that most Linux systems are running far more services than the average Windows box; start piling on the apps and Windows boot times go ballistic. It's not uncommon to see reboot times of >30 *minutes* on Exchange servers... > I can load a new bit of hardware and drivers on windows with no problem. Yep, So can I. > A > piece of hard ware for linux well thats a search on the Internet to find > out if its is compatible and how to get it to install. Hardware compatability is only a problem because some hardware vendors are deliberately obstructive in terms of getting their kit to work with Free Software. The fact that they go out of their way to prevent sales to FOSS users implies that they are being leant on. > I can upgrade and install software on Linux. But I have no real idea what > I am doing. I don't care, because if the install or upgrade works I am > happy. That is just your lack of familiarity. If you knew more, you would be happily installing whilst knowing *exactly* what you are doing. > Doing the same in Windows I knew where everything went. And that just isn't true. Do a large installation in Windows - say, Office or somesuch. Do you know every key change in the registry? Can you find every single change to your filesystem? On my system, I can determine every file change and every installation scriptlet *before* I install something. > I have OCR programs in windows which work fantastically. An OCR program > in Linux has just wasted my time. Conversely, many people get on fine with such apps. Do not confuse "I don't know how to ..." with "Linux can't ..." > I have used disk backups and disk partitioning in windows and they have > worked very well and I have lost no work. I have used disk partitioning apps in Windows that have trashed the entire disk. I have *never* had a problem in Linux - even when I decided to try stuff that required me to build my own tools. > I have used those in the Linux system > and have had my hard disk over written when it should not have. (More > a case of > using windows logic on a linux program which was not a good > idea). You made a mistake. That happens when you're learning. But you know what they say about the workman who blames his tools. > I have free video editor programs in Windows which work very well. A > video editor in Linux often leaves me with a bit of swearing. I've used video editors in both Windows and Linux. I found them all to work acceptably. But the Windows program cost me a *lot* more money. > We really need to use an engineering approach to this. Use each operating > system the best way possible. Use the strengths of each operating system > and make allowances for the weaknesses. The first part of any such "engineering approach" would be an objective assessment of what can be done - not just which OS you are more familiar with. Your argument so far boils down to "I don't understand Linux, so Windows must be better". That isn't persuasive. > Setting up to watch videos in windows took me no more than a minute. Setting up my Linux system to watch videos took me a very small amount of time. I don't know how much, because it all happened at install time when I was doing a bazillion other things at the same time. > Crafting mplayer to do what I want took me a lot more than five minutes > and then I had to hunt down information to get the subtitles to work. Subtitles work just fine on my mplayer installation. What did I do to get them to work? Nothing at all. I just don't mess with things that don't need messing with. Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] pcworld southampton & linux
Hi All I could not resist the itch to say something. More than once the use of Microsoft software has save my bacon. I have the greatest respect for the windows system provided it has no contact with the Internet. I have seen well created windows systems boot in 20 seconds flat which is faster than any linux system I have seen. I can load a new bit of hardware and drivers on windows with no problem. A piece of hard ware for linux well thats a search on the Internet to find out if its is compatible and how to get it to install. My everyday operating system is linux. This is simply because I do not have to worry about viruses, trojans, ad-aware, root kits etc. I can upgrade and install software on Linux. But I have no real idea what I am doing. I don't care, because if the install or upgrade works I am happy. Doing the same in Windows I knew where everything went. I have OCR programs in windows which work fantastically. An OCR program in Linux has just wasted my time. I have used disk backups and disk partitioning in windows and they have worked very well and I have lost no work. I have used those in the Linux system and have had my hard disk over written when it should not have. (More a case of using windows logic on a linux program which was not a good idea). I have free video editor programs in Windows which work very well. A video editor in Linux often leaves me with a bit of swearing. We really need to use an engineering approach to this. Use each operating system the best way possible. Use the strengths of each operating system and make allowances for the weaknesses. Setting up to watch videos in windows took me no more than a minute. Crafting mplayer to do what I want took me a lot more than five minutes and then I had to hunt down information to get the subtitles to work. Why do I bother to use linux. It is more stable and less temperamental. I can do more on it. I don't worry about the latest sneaky bot or virus or trojan which means I can be more productive. It works well on more desktops than windows does. Now if only there can be a Floss equivalent to word perfect or Coral Draw. John Eayrs On Saturday 08 August 2009 10:27:19 Andy Smith wrote: > Hi Alan, > > On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 09:21:36AM +0100, alan c wrote: > > Andy Smith wrote: > > > Linus Torvalds recently had something to say about Microsoft > > > bashing: > > > > > > http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7439/1.html > > > "I may make jokes about Microsoft at times, but at the same > > > time, I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease. I believe > > > in open development, and that very much involves not just > > > making the source open, but also not shutting other people > > > and companies out. > > > > > > There are 'extremists' in the free software world, but > > > > how many revolutions have there been, driven by *non* extremists? > > Making and distributing a FOSS operating system that works better > than its proprietary rivals is an extreme enough goal for me to > support. The idea that this isn't particularly extreme today is > just a testament to how successful it has been so far - the concept > used to be laughable. There is still a long way to go. > > I don't feel the need to take it to the next level by demonising > Microsoft or any other company, and I would question the value of > doing so. > > Cheers, > Andy -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Buying a Eee 901?
Hi all You could get 2rd hand 901's in Cex in Southampton last week. They had windows xp on it. I got mine from there (many months ago 2rd hand and still going strong) and it is now a dual boot machine. Cex is in the Marlands opposite Asda. John Eayrs On Friday 07 August 2009 13:37:13 pavithran wrote: > 2009/8/6 Andy Random : > >I decided I definitely > > wanted one and now it seems I've left it too late :( > > Unfortunately "Yes " :( > But still you can get a second hand EEE 901 with 12 GB SSD pre loaded > with windows XP on amazon . > > The happiest thing is no one is selling their Linux based EEE 901 of > 20 GB SSD . :D > > I also own one and I bought it for 259 £ . No I wont sell it for even > 300 £ :P because I am lucky that I bought it at the right time . I > couldn't find it anywhere near west quay hence ordered via amazon . > You know what it got shipped from france :D > > EEE 901 with linux are museum pieces( but mordern) save yours carefully > :D > > Why did it all happen ? Due to some great decisions by Asus and some > force/evil negotiations by the great "M$" > http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/jul/08/microsoft-asus-linux > > > Having said all that you can still buy Eee PC 1000H but definitely not > as "worth the price" as EEE 901 :( > > This is a #fail for @asus > > Regards, > Pavithran > > > -- > pavithran sakamuri > www.pavithran.org -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Setting up a GMail auto-reply to just one sender - possible?
On 09/08/2009 18:38, Victor Churchill wrote: > (*) - one of which went > "Which I means I have to make some modifications in the makefile. > can u please guide me for this or can we have a concall setup at your > preferrable time." > I would simply reply stating your hourly rates for such work, requesting payment for N hours to open his account. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Setting up a GMail auto-reply to just one sender - possible?
2009/8/9 Tim : > > I would forward them to his e-mail address, so basicly they loop back to him > > Tim That's the best I could find too, so I will probably do that. It would have been nice to add a motivational message as well ;-) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Setting up a GMail auto-reply to just one sender - possible?
On Sunday 09 August 2009 18:38:37 Victor Churchill wrote: > I'd like to set up Gmail to send an auto reply to just one sender ( I > am being bothered by a mailing-list leech who refuses to JFGI after I > sent a reply to his initial request for help on dbi_users mailing > list. The thread of mails he has sent me personally (not to the list > (*) ) and my replies is now 17 messages long.) > > GMail offers me a Filter which I can use to automatically > delete,label,forward any further emails, or a universal Out-Of-Office > autoreply. What I would like to do is set up so that further emails > direct tom me from this guy (but not ones to the list) ge sent a > bespoke reply saying I am away on an extended walking tour of the > forests in Bavaria or some such. But I don't see quite what I want. > Given that this is GMail and not my own mail server (don't have a home > one atm) does anyone have any suggestions? I am also putting this to > the GMail help forum but have not tried that before so do not know how > it may go. > > (*) - one of which went > "Which I means I have to make some modifications in the makefile. > can u please guide me for this or can we have a concall setup at your > preferrable time." I would forward them to his e-mail address, so basicly they loop back to him Tim -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] [OT] Setting up a GMail auto-reply to just one sender - possible?
> (*) - one of which went > "Which I means I have to make some modifications in the makefile. > can u please guide me for this or can we have a concall setup at your > preferrable time." Send him a pro-forma invoice. He'll go away real quick :-) Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] [OT] Setting up a GMail auto-reply to just one sender - possible?
I'd like to set up Gmail to send an auto reply to just one sender ( I am being bothered by a mailing-list leech who refuses to JFGI after I sent a reply to his initial request for help on dbi_users mailing list. The thread of mails he has sent me personally (not to the list (*) ) and my replies is now 17 messages long.) GMail offers me a Filter which I can use to automatically delete,label,forward any further emails, or a universal Out-Of-Office autoreply. What I would like to do is set up so that further emails direct tom me from this guy (but not ones to the list) ge sent a bespoke reply saying I am away on an extended walking tour of the forests in Bavaria or some such. But I don't see quite what I want. Given that this is GMail and not my own mail server (don't have a home one atm) does anyone have any suggestions? I am also putting this to the GMail help forum but have not tried that before so do not know how it may go. (*) - one of which went "Which I means I have to make some modifications in the makefile. can u please guide me for this or can we have a concall setup at your preferrable time." -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Is anybody here using puppet?
On 09/08/2009 10:06, Simon Huggins wrote: > On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:01:57AM +0100, Simon Strange wrote: > >> Does anybody use puppet? Have any tips/recipes they'd care to share? >> > We use it at work. I have a love/hate relationship with it. I see the > benefits but never quite have enough time to make our config pretty and > easy to use. > I've used Puppet and cfengine and I can see the advantages of both. Puppet works well when you have a completely clean slate and start using it from the word Go on a machine. cfengine works well when are retrofitting a configuration management system to a bunch of servers in an uncertain state of maintenance. I find Puppet's syntax to be excessively verbose and I have concerns about how well it scales. Debugging cfengine configs is often a frustrating experience. People who prefers puppet's syntax but want cfengine's scalability should look at cfengine3. The language has been extensively re-engineered. Mart. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Is anybody here using puppet?
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:01:57AM +0100, Simon Strange wrote: > Does anybody use puppet? Have any tips/recipes they'd care to share? We use it at work. I have a love/hate relationship with it. I see the benefits but never quite have enough time to make our config pretty and easy to use. The IRC channel and -user list are good though if you have questions. There are occasionally meet-ups too though I've not made it to one yet. -- _hug...@earth.li -+*+- fou, con et anglais _ (_) Cows turn themselves inside out all the time. - Officer, (_) (_) South Park (_) \______/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Debian to Ubuntu, without complete reinstall?
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:52:19AM +0100, Anton Piatek wrote: > 2009/8/7 David Ramsden : > > But I didn't have a bootable system afterwards :( Not sure why. It just > > can't find the HDD drives and hangs on waiting for root system (can't > > remember the exact message now). Seems like the initrd is a bit screwed > > for whatever reason, even though I rebuilt the initrd and pulled it apart. > I have moved from 32bit to 64 bit by installing in a new partition > (via a chroot) and then swapped the grub paths over. Would a similar > approach work here? Another common way used to be to install change your swap partition over to a normal ext3 partition, install your new OS to that, get your current boot loader (I'm hoping it's grub here as you should have more chance to rescue brokenness than LILO) to boot the new OS and then continue from there. Don't know if that helps you though. Essentially you still end up with lots of faffing. Simon. -- oOoOo Granny sighed. "Gytha, Greebo would like Norris the oOoOo oOoOo Eyeball-Eating Maniac of Quirm if he knew how to put food oOoOo oOoOo in a bowl."oOoOo -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
