[Hampshire] IPV4 : 700 days and counting ?
This announcement by Roaring Penguin http://linuxpr.com/releases/11567.html had a bit that got me thinking. It states that the IPV4 address base will be exhausted in 700 days and that we should (by default) move to IPV6 That is all well and good but how many people reading this are actively using IPV6 (not just leaving if on by default but configuring things like ip6tables.conf, dhcp etc) How many are using an ISP that provided an IPV6 enabled connection? If so what ADSL modem do you use? If you don't use IPV6 then what are your plans to move to it (at least for external connections)? I visited a pretty 'with it' company yesterday and I was surprised that they have just about ditched IPV4 internally. They have one subnet left for those 'old' devices (HP Printers plus the odd Windows system). Everything else uses IPV6. Stephen D -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] IPV4 : 700 days and counting ?
Hi, I'd been wondering about IPv6. I'm in the middle of setting up a mega-vpn bringing together lots of disparate address spaces. What do I need to do if I want to run IPv6 internally? What do I need to do when I need to talk to real (IP v4) addresses? If I'm talking to an IPv4 machine that doesn't understand IPv6 how does it talk back? Looks like a need a serious how-to... Cheers, Paul. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Stephen Davies stephen.dav...@ultraconsulting.co.uk Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:17:44 To: Hampshire LUG Discussion Listhampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: [Hampshire] IPV4 : 700 days and counting ? This announcement by Roaring Penguin http://linuxpr.com/releases/11567.html had a bit that got me thinking. It states that the IPV4 address base will be exhausted in 700 days and that we should (by default) move to IPV6 That is all well and good but how many people reading this are actively using IPV6 (not just leaving if on by default but configuring things like ip6tables.conf, dhcp etc) How many are using an ISP that provided an IPV6 enabled connection? If so what ADSL modem do you use? If you don't use IPV6 then what are your plans to move to it (at least for external connections)? I visited a pretty 'with it' company yesterday and I was surprised that they have just about ditched IPV4 internally. They have one subnet left for those 'old' devices (HP Printers plus the odd Windows system). Everything else uses IPV6. Stephen D -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] pcworld southampton linux
Vic said: I've never seen a Linux desktop to compare with OSX in any of its forms. Then you haven't seen baghira. http://baghira.sourceforge.net/screenies.php To be best in class you have to do better than to be (in it's own words) Basically it's a perky imitation of Apple's OSX look. That's just catch up, not moving forward. Imitation is the sicerest form of flattery - Oscar Wilde. Stephen -- Stephen Pelc, step...@mpeforth.com MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, fax: +44 (0)23 8033 9691 web: http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] pcworld southampton linux
John said: If you lock down Linux to a limited amount of packages and charge ?1000 to ?2000 a box you will very quickly match OSX for looks and usability. But Linux isn't locked down, you are free to choose what the GUI looks like and what distro/packages you install. The EEE PC has shown how easy it is to get Linux usable for the masses and at ?250. Imagine what it would be like at ?2000! My Mac Mini was £499, and I think the low end one is £399. I've seen net prices down around the £250 mark this year. Sure it's not the hot Apple product of the moment, but it just works and the build quality is fantastic. And yes, we have an eeePC as well - after a week we replaced the Xandros distro with the Ubuntu Eee version. Stephen -- Stephen Pelc, step...@mpeforth.com MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, fax: +44 (0)23 8033 9691 web: http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] pcworld southampton linux
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 01:26:50PM +0100, Stephen Pelc wrote: This discussion about bashing Microsoft misses the point as I see it. What movement there is away from Windows appears to be towards Apple and OSX. From a user's point of view OSX is both easy to use and beautiful. Speaking entirely personally, I find the desktop on my MacBook (a work machine) utterly frustrating. There are so many things I want to do that are difficult, non-obvious, or Just Plain Impossible that I can last about half a day trying to do work on it before I just want to throw the whole machine out of a window. I'm sure many other people have utterly different views on the subject, and I'm not saying that one size fits all, but for me, my experience of OS X has been poor. I won't be buying an Apple machine in the future. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: h...@... carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Is a diversity twice as good as a university? --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] OS comparisons, was:pcworld southampton linux
Alan Pope wrote: ...then windows.. Windows is very 'ooh, you're asking too much of me'. I know I'm taking the thread in a non-contemplative direction, but this reminds me of some Haiku (Japanese poetry, not the OS) error messages I once read: http://strangeplaces.net/weirdthings/haiku.html in particular, ABORTED effort: Close all that you have. You ask way too much. and Out of memory. We wish to hold the whole sky, But we never will. They crack me up, like a 3 cell cartoon strip, you can see the reader's facial expressions rise and fall with each poignant line :) Ad -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] pcworld southampton linux
To be best in class you have to do better than to be (in it's own words) Basically it's a perky imitation of Apple's OSX look. That's just catch up, not moving forward. I didn't say it was better; I just responded to your post :- I've never seen a Linux desktop to compare with OSX in any of its forms. Being a fairly close replica, it does indeed compare with OSX - and favourably at that. No-one said anything about beating it :-) Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Drivers (was: pcworld southampton linux)
Quote from john Eayrs I can load a new bit of hardware and drivers on windows with no problem. A piece of hard ware for linux well thats a search on the Internet to find out if its is compatible and how to get it to install. End quote Well, on the other hand, I don't have to mess about for hours with Linux when I connect up a Canon EIDE60 scanner and a Nikon Coolscan 4000 at the same time (both USB drives) On Windows, the Canon driver assumes that you are never doing to use any other device on that copy of Windows. Without deleting the multitude of files by hand you ain't going to get the Nikon (or any other Scanner for that matter to work). Windows + Canon Scanner software === Defective by Design. Vuescan! -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Jessops Photo Printing Software
Just to close on this topic, I did manage to create a very nice photo book using the Jessops software on Ubuntu 9.04 with no problems at all. Took a while for the delivery but since I ended up sending in the order on a Friday evening I guess that was to be expected. Next time I may try using Scribus and creating a PDF I can upload to blurb.com just for a comparison. But I am happy with the Jessops book. Very quick and easy to do. Rich 2009/7/24 Richard Danter radan...@googlemail.com: 2009/7/24 Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com: Richard Danter wrote: Hi folks, This may be old news for some of you but I only just discovered it... Jessops now offers a Linux version (in addition to Windows and Mac) of their photo printing software. This software lets you design photo books, calendars, mouse mats and a few other items using your own photos. You can then submit an order and get your custom made item delivered. I tried to use the Windows version under WINE to make a calendar for a Christmas present last year without much success. I am much more hopeful this time! Not actually sent anything for printing yet, will let you all know how it goes. Rich http://photo.jessops.com/free-software.html As soon as I tried to run their Java-based ordering system it crashed Firefox. Hmm, ok, I will probably give this a go over the weekend. It's good that they acknowledge the existence of Linux though. Yes indeed. It must be at least relatively recent addition since it was not available (or I did not see it) last December. Problem with most of these print shops is that they almost all use their own software and this is the first I have seen a Linux version for any of them. I did notice that blurb.com will accept PDF files which would mean you could use anything you like to create your book. I was thinking maybe Scribus would be worth a try. Never used it (or blurb) but if this Jessops thing does not work then... Maybe there are other ways? Anyone else created a photo book, or any book for that matter, on Linux and had it professionally printed? I wonder what the local printshops can produce. This is a whole new area for me, usually I just take a USB stick to Jessops or Asda when I want some photos. Rich -- http://radanter.deviantart.com/ -- http://radanter.deviantart.com/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] IPV4 : 700 days and counting ?
Hi Stephen, On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 07:17:44AM +0100, Stephen Davies wrote: This announcement by Roaring Penguin http://linuxpr.com/releases/11567.html had a bit that got me thinking. It states that the IPV4 address base will be exhausted in 700 days and that we should (by default) move to IPV6 I think it will take a bit longer than this, but not much longer. I would expect there to be a formalised market for trading IPv4 allocations in the next couple of years, and then trading of them will extend its life by 5-10 years. That is all well and good but how many people reading this are actively using IPV6 (not just leaving if on by default but configuring things like ip6tables.conf, dhcp etc) It's hard to actively use it when there's hardly any IPv6-only content on the Internet. Very occasionally I notice I've connected to an IPv6 web site, or an email came in/out over IPv6. The sad thing is that I tend to notice I've visited an IPv6 site only when it doesn't work, usually because someone put an address in their DNS and then their IPv6 config broke without them noticing. The IPv6 Internet is not as reliable as the IPv4 Internet, because of human factors. How many are using an ISP that provided an IPV6 enabled connection? Very few UK broadband suppliers do provide IPv6. There's a list at: https://www.sixxs.net/wiki/IPv6_Enabled_Service_Providers If so what ADSL modem do you use? If you don't use IPV6 then what are your plans to move to it (at least for external connections)? Personally I use a SixXS tunnel at home so the ADSL part is irrelevant. I try to use IPv6 on the LAN where possible but not all software supports it. At BitFolk we offer native (not tunnelled) IPv6 connectivity; a /64 per customer plus an optional /56 if required/justified. If you are interested in how it works then I think it's definitely worth getting a tunnel to play with, but I think the lack of IPv6-only content out there means there's very little point in expending effort on it otherwise. For the rest of the non-technical internet users I think the market will sort it out for them. Cheers, Andy -- http://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting GeorgeWBush I'm still banned on #ubuntu-uk though. Or should I say, #ubuntu-anti-trans signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Software Freedom Day 2009 - Bracknell (Sept 19th)
(Surrey LUG list, Hampshire LUG list) Just to let you know that I have booked and registered for Software Freedom Day 2009 in Bracknell town centre - the Bandstand. The date is September 19th (Saturday) place: http://www.bracknelltowncouncil.gov.uk/bandstand.htm http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/europe/uk/ubuntu-uk/bracknell times: 10.00am to 4.00 pm long link: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=qsource=s_qhl=enq=bracknell+bandstandvps=1jsv=170fsll=51.407395,-0.75312sspn=0.000596,0.001165ie=UTF8latlng=11058121479051923268ei=AcSBSrvIKcLAjAfE7tnoAwcd=4usq=bandstandgeocode=FbCNEAMdn5H0_w I will be delighted if anyone will be able to come and visit, and even more, to help out for any part of the day or whatever! If you can come to help I would appreciate knowing in advance to plan better, so do please contact me? The Bandstand is visible from a wide area of the open part of the town centre, and has the advantage that lots of displays are regularly held there so people expect to come and at least look and *expect* to get a bargain. There is good visibility - yes - however the weather is more of a factor than when in the shopping mall of course. The Bandstand itself is covered and there is shelter nearby anyway, if my request for good weather is not granted. :-) Hoping to hear from lots of you? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] IPV4 : 700 days and counting ?
Andy Smith a...@strugglers.net wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 07:17:44AM +0100, Stephen Davies wrote: It states that the IPV4 address base will be exhausted in 700 days and that we should (by default) move to IPV6 I think it will take a bit longer than this, but not much longer. I would expect there to be a formalised market for trading IPv4 allocations in the next couple of years, and then trading of them will extend its life by 5-10 years. RIPE's FAQ on IPv4 address exhaustion: http://www.ripe.net/info/faq/IPv6-deployment.html A little estimation tool, with commentary: http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/index.html The current Bogon list: http://www.cymru.com/Documents/bogon-bn.html Bogons are IP address ranges that should not be routed over the Net - they're either unallocated, private, or special use. In this context, they give an idea of the free address ranges... once you've removed 10/8, 172.16/12, 192.168/16, etc. Nick. -- Nick Chalk . once a Radio Designer Confidence is failing to understand the problem. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
