Re: [Hampshire] Blu Ray and Linux

2011-12-23 Thread James Courtier-Dutton 
On Dec 23, 2011 9:29 PM, "Jim Kissel"  wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the heads up on Blu Ray, a technology that I will let pass me
by

I would let it pass me by if i had the choice!
Fortunately, i can always reverse engineer the host key if i need it in
future, which makes the whole drm useless anyway. It just becomes an
annoyance.
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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers,

2011-12-23 Thread hantslug 
On Friday 23 December 2011 18:58:46 Mike Austin wrote:
> Fortunately the several members of this LUG who have already joined
> understand my intent.

I'm sure that everyone did.  Pedantry is just that, but most pedants know 
perfectly well what other people actually mean.  And it is sometimes 
possible - and very gratifying - to turn the tables on a pedant.  But you 
probably need to be a pedant yourself to do that successfully!!

For better or for worse, people use "Linux" to mean a whole distribution.  One 
cannot hold back the tide of linguistic shift.  One may, if one wishes, 
deride it - but one cannot hold it back.

Oh - and there are also Linux Questions, Linux Magazine, Linux User Groups 
etc.  You are in good company.

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-23 Thread hantslug 
On Friday 23 December 2011 19:53:35 Jack Knight wrote:
> On 23 December 2011 17:46,  wrote:
> > On Friday 23 December 2011 11:12:10 Chris. Aubrey-Smith wrote:
> > > On my recent birthday, I rejoiced at being told that I'm only 21
> > > Celsius!
> >
> > Sorry to be dim, Chris, but are you saying that 21 Celsius is the same
> > thing
> > as 70 Fahrenheit?  Getting that far has taken me a mere 7 hours!  Yes, I
> > suppose you are.  But that took arithmetic.  21 Celsius makes sense. 
> > Many people, I know, use Fahrenheit.  But does it make sense to anybody??
> > :-/
> >
> > Lisi
> >
> > I hate to say this, but maybe  LMGTFY ?

I did.

> actually - save the journey:
>
> 21 Degrees Celsius × 9 ÷ 5 + 32 = Degrees Fahrenheit (69.8°F)
>
>
> 7 hours?

7 hours to realise that that was what he was on about.  I did the arithmetic 
in my head at the point when I realised it.  I just don't think in 
Fahrenheit, which is why I couldn't make out what a moderate temperature had 
to do with his age.

> 7 seconds - and I'm 34 - sorry, I really should say 0x34 ;^)=

Yes, but you knew what he meant.  Transferring Centigrade to Fahrenheit, and 
vice versa, is easy, a mere matter of arithmetic.  Knowing that that is what 
is needed is quite another matter, and I didn't get the joke.  I neither 
think in nor understand Fahrenheit except for the human body temperature, and 
I had to learn that to be able to read a thermometer when in this country.

References were made to "a certain age".  I am 45 (hex).  And I can't think 
in, and do not think of, Fahrenheit.  It makes no sense at all to me, where 
Centigrade is logical and comprehensible.  The important thing in this isn't 
so much how long you have lived, as where you have done that living.

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Re: [Hampshire] Unity with dual monitors

2011-12-23 Thread Paul Tansom 
** Paul Tansom  [2011-12-23 15:31]:
> Has anyone got Unity working with dual monitors, and if so how. I've done some
> searching and only found references to people that have done it with no
> indication of how! I'm on Ubuntu 11.10 and, although the displays settings
> allows me to enable and set a resolution for the second monitor it complains
> that my desktop doesn't have the correct resolution when I apply the changes.
> The AMD (ATI) driver has settings for dual screens, but they are greyed out
> because I only have one desktop. It was so much easier in Gnome 2! I'm getting
> the feeling we are, at least temporarily heading back to the late 90s and
> manually hacking configuration files for Unity - not that I mind that I'm
> always doing it with my servers, but when you have a mix of GUI, CLI and auto
> configuration changes things never work together well :(
** end quote [Paul Tansom]

To be really sad and the only one to reply to my own post ;) I've got it
working. I tried using grandr to see if I could find out what was going on, but
that has nothing to do with anything and wouldn't run. Then I rebooted with the
dual screens configured as a mirror. This enabled the option in the AMD
configuration to work with the second screen, although I could still do nothing
to configure the Xinerama settings, however after running:

amdconfig -- initial=dual-head

from the CLI and rebooting (again) I could enable Xinerama (initially when I
moved the mouse onto the second screen it went all retro X on my with the
chunky X cursor!). Once that was enabled, and after another reboot, I was
working nicely - bar the fact that the screens were on the wrong side of each
other. Since there was no configuration option for this I simply swapped the
cables (I suspect if I manually edited the xorg.conf file I could have swapped
them by changing the ServerLayout section).

Not exactly easy, but I thought I'd post in case anyone else was stuck.

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Re: [Hampshire] Blu Ray and Linux

2011-12-23 Thread Jim Kissel 


Thanks for the heads up on Blu Ray, a technology that I will let pass me by
James Courtier-Dutton wrote:

On 4 December 2011 21:24, James Courtier-Dutton  wrote:
  

I now have a Blu Ray drive for my Linux machine.
DumpHD does not work on any modern titles due to an out of date host
private key.
MakeMKV does seem to work, but it is a binary blob and not open source
and you have to pay for it past 30 days trial.

If anyone can point me to an up to date host private key, I would then
be happier.



I finally have a host private key that works.
I am watching my first Blu-Ray on Linux now. ;-)

The thing I find unfair with this copy protection on Blu-Rays is:
1) I purchase the Blu-Ray drive.
2) I purchase a Blu-Ray movie.
It plays, but at any time I could put a new Blu-Ray disk in and it
will render all my existing movies unplayable.
I.e. Movies that played before, all stop working.
How is that fair?
And get this, the only way I get to watch my own movies again is if I either:
1) Obtain new firmware for the Blu-Ray drive. (Wastes about 30mins of
my time, and only if the manufacturer bothers)
2) Purchase a new Blu-Ray drive.

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Re: [Hampshire] Blu Ray and Linux

2011-12-23 Thread James Courtier-Dutton 
On 4 December 2011 21:24, James Courtier-Dutton  wrote:
>
> I now have a Blu Ray drive for my Linux machine.
> DumpHD does not work on any modern titles due to an out of date host
> private key.
> MakeMKV does seem to work, but it is a binary blob and not open source
> and you have to pay for it past 30 days trial.
>
> If anyone can point me to an up to date host private key, I would then
> be happier.

I finally have a host private key that works.
I am watching my first Blu-Ray on Linux now. ;-)

The thing I find unfair with this copy protection on Blu-Rays is:
1) I purchase the Blu-Ray drive.
2) I purchase a Blu-Ray movie.
It plays, but at any time I could put a new Blu-Ray disk in and it
will render all my existing movies unplayable.
I.e. Movies that played before, all stop working.
How is that fair?
And get this, the only way I get to watch my own movies again is if I either:
1) Obtain new firmware for the Blu-Ray drive. (Wastes about 30mins of
my time, and only if the manufacturer bothers)
2) Purchase a new Blu-Ray drive.

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-23 Thread Brad Rogers 
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:46:30 +
hants...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hello hants...@googlemail.com,

> Sorry to be dim, Chris, but are you saying that 21 Celsius is the same
> thing as 70 Fahrenheit?  Getting that far has taken me a mere 7
> hours!  Yes, I suppose you are.  But that took arithmetic.  21 Celsius
> makes sense.  Many people, I know, use Fahrenheit.  But does it make
> sense to anybody?? :-/

Many people use both Celsius & Fahrenheit.  For example, when it's hot,
they might say "It's eighty degrees", implying Fahrenheit.  OTOH, when
it's cold they'll report "It's minus five", indicating Celsius.  I mean,
saying "Brrr, it's 23" doesn't have the same ring to it.

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-23 Thread Jack Knight 
On 23 December 2011 17:46,  wrote:

> On Friday 23 December 2011 11:12:10 Chris. Aubrey-Smith wrote:
> > On my recent birthday, I rejoiced at being told that I'm only 21 Celsius!
>
> Sorry to be dim, Chris, but are you saying that 21 Celsius is the same
> thing
> as 70 Fahrenheit?  Getting that far has taken me a mere 7 hours!  Yes, I
> suppose you are.  But that took arithmetic.  21 Celsius makes sense.  Many
> people, I know, use Fahrenheit.  But does it make sense to anybody?? :-/
>
> Lisi
>
> I hate to say this, but maybe  LMGTFY ?

actually - save the journey:

21 Degrees Celsius × 9 ÷ 5 + 32 = Degrees Fahrenheit (69.8°F)


7 hours?

7 seconds - and I'm 34 - sorry, I really should say 0x34 ;^)=
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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-23 Thread Michael Pavling 
On 23 December 2011 17:46,   wrote:
> On Friday 23 December 2011 11:12:10 Chris. Aubrey-Smith wrote:
>> On my recent birthday, I rejoiced at being told that I'm only 21 Celsius!
>
> Sorry to be dim, Chris, but are you saying that 21 Celsius is the same thing
> as 70 Fahrenheit?  Getting that far has taken me a mere 7 hours!  Yes, I
> suppose you are.  But that took arithmetic.  21 Celsius makes sense.  Many
> people, I know, use Fahrenheit.  But does it make sense to anybody?? :-/

To anybody of a certain age, it makes perfect sense :-)

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers,

2011-12-23 Thread Mike Austin 
I am staggered that the choice of the name of my group should cause so much
comment.  Perhaps I should ask the editors of Linux Format magazine to be
more specific about their content.

Perhaps I should also contact Amadeus, one of the major players in the
travel industry, to ask what they mean by the statement " Airline IT systems
and transactions business company Amadeus yesterday announced it will
completely migrate its commercial airline transaction processing systems
onto Linux by 2012, saying proprietary platforms were "very limiting" and
criticised the lack of open standards in the industry."

Since the name of the group is also the email address -
linux-answ...@googlegroups.com - I attempted to keep it as short as I could.

Fortunately the several members of this LUG who have already joined
understand my intent.

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-23 Thread hantslug 
On Friday 23 December 2011 11:12:10 Chris. Aubrey-Smith wrote:
> On my recent birthday, I rejoiced at being told that I'm only 21 Celsius!

Sorry to be dim, Chris, but are you saying that 21 Celsius is the same thing 
as 70 Fahrenheit?  Getting that far has taken me a mere 7 hours!  Yes, I 
suppose you are.  But that took arithmetic.  21 Celsius makes sense.  Many 
people, I know, use Fahrenheit.  But does it make sense to anybody?? :-/

Lisi

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-23 Thread Tony Wood 


Well I for one am glad that's been clarified, Keith.
TYVM
:-)

Tony Wood
   from Linux Netbook
   Ubuntu 11.10

On 22/12/11 21:28, Keith Edmunds wrote:

On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:17:07 +, aecl...@candt.waitrose.com said:


real
people using GNU/Linux operating systems.

Nobody outside geekdom uses GNU/Linux: they use Linux. I've been using
Linux since 1993, and working with it on a daily basis for more than ten
years. The only people I have ever heard refer to the operating system as
"GNU/Linux" are pedants. Nothing wrong with being a pedant, of course:
I've revelled in the role for years. Part of being one is accepting that,
by definition, you don't see things the way others do (or possibly you
feel differently about them), or in other words you differ from the norm.

The norm, in this case, is to refer to the entire collection of software,
including the kernel (one component), the GNU bits (a minority of
components) and all the non-GNU bits (the majority), as "Linux". Right or
wrong, justified or not, that's reality.


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Re: [Hampshire] HP ProCurve switch, VLAN configuration.

2011-12-23 Thread Steven Swann 

You are exactly right!

I connected another machine to the router and pinged it from a host 
connected to port 6, fired up wireshark and there were the ping requests.


Unfortunately, my test route is so dumb that I can't even define routes. 
So i guess that it can never be aware of the subnet on the switch - It 
really is so easy when you know how it all works... I'm finding my feet 
slowly.


With this in mind, I'm going to have to roll out the VLANs on the live 
switch and configure the live router after the new year.


I'll let you all know how I get on.

Thank you so much for all of your help. Hopefully I can meet some of you 
at the next meet, although you'll have to introduce yourselves since I 
know no one! :)


Have a lovely Christmas all of you

Steven


 On 12/23/2011 09:50 AM, James Courtier-Dutton wrote:



On Dec 23, 2011 9:32 AM, "Steven Swann" > wrote:

>
> Apologies, yes, you are right, I meant that 6 is on a different 
subnet. But if I'm on the same subnet I can ping the the router 
without problem and I have internet access.


So if you can ping the internet from port 5, you are finished with the 
config on the hp switch. The problem is now with the config of the 
internet router. What is in its routing table? Does it have an entry 
for the residents subnet?



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[Hampshire] Unity with dual monitors

2011-12-23 Thread Paul Tansom 
Has anyone got Unity working with dual monitors, and if so how. I've done some
searching and only found references to people that have done it with no
indication of how! I'm on Ubuntu 11.10 and, although the displays settings
allows me to enable and set a resolution for the second monitor it complains
that my desktop doesn't have the correct resolution when I apply the changes.
The AMD (ATI) driver has settings for dual screens, but they are greyed out
because I only have one desktop. It was so much easier in Gnome 2! I'm getting
the feeling we are, at least temprorarily heading back to the late 90s and
manually hacking configuration files for Unity - not that I mind that I'm
always doing it with my servers, but when you have a mix of GUI, CLI and auto
configuration changes things never work together well :(

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Re: [Hampshire] HP ProCurve switch, VLAN configuration.

2011-12-23 Thread Wayne Lee 
> It would also be ideal If i could get routing working on the switch, since I
> will, eventually, use this switch to route between a number of VLANs in this
> building, and so, although the temporal effect is probably negligible, it
> seems it would be a better candidate to route between VLANs in this
> building.
>
> Steven

Hello

I missed the part that you would be routing between the vlans and not
just providing  internet access to them. In this case you are better
off getting routing working on the switch rather than pushing all data
via the router (the switch will be faster anyways).

What I said earlier still stands, the vlans will not really be active
and respond to ping until you have something connected into them.


Wayne

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-23 Thread Jim Kissel 

hants...@googlemail.com wrote:

On Thursday 22 December 2011 23:11:04 Jim Kissel wrote:
  

hants...@googlemail.com wrote:


On Thursday 22 December 2011 21:28:15 Keith Edmunds wrote:
  

Right or
wrong, justified or not, that's reality.


Speaking personally, that jars considerably less than modern
teenager-speak for contact lenses.

To me, a "contact" is either a person with whom I in contact, or a person
with whom I wish to be in contact, or something that enables electrically
charged wires to meet and communicate.  To my granddaughter it is a
miniature spectacle lens that you wear in your eye
  

I've worn  contacts since the late 70's.  Maybe I'm younger in heart
than my 63 years would indicate.  ;-)



Or maybe you are from the other side of the pond? ;-)
  

Yes, I'm Yankee as well as a few oter things D-)

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Re: [Hampshire] HP ProCurve switch, VLAN configuration.

2011-12-23 Thread Steven Swann 

Hello again James,

I really appreciate your help, as I stand at the moment I have no 
working configuration that does what I want it to. On my test router 
that is sitting on my desk, VLANs are not supported, but the router that 
is live does have VLAN support. However, this live router is a cheap 
solution and it is very likely that this could change at some point. 
With this in mind, a setup that doesn't rely on a router with VLANs is 
preferable, but that being said, if I can't achieve this then I will 
have to use the VLAN features of the router.


It would also be ideal If i could get routing working on the switch, 
since I will, eventually, use this switch to route between a number of 
VLANs in this building, and so, although the temporal effect is probably 
negligible, it seems it would be a better candidate to route between 
VLANs in this building.


Steven



On 12/23/2011 09:41 AM, James Courtier-Dutton wrote:


I think i will stop trying to help. If Steven tries to follow two 
peoples advice at the same time it is not going to work. My fix is 
based on there being no trunk ports. Wayne's uses trunk ports and i 
don't think it will work because the internet router do not do vlans.


On Dec 23, 2011 9:17 AM, "Steven Swann" > wrote:


That is excellent Wayne, thank you very much.

I will test this configuration later on today. The DLINK router is
very dumb and doesn't support VLANs or anything fancy like that.
However, this is a mock set-up I have running in my office; I know
the router in the actual network - who's name I can't even
pronounce - does support VLANs and tagging. So if I can't get it
running on my set up I will do a live test.

I'll let you know how it goes.

BR

Steven

On 12/23/2011 09:10 AM, Wayne Lee wrote:

Morning

The internet router is in port 1, the laptop is in port 5.
I have now set
the router port as a trunk on the switch.

Port 5 is on a different subnet to port 1, the laptop is
10.1.202.0 and the
router 10.1.201.0

I set the static addresses of the laptop as follows:
ip: 10.1.202.10
subnet: 255.255.255.0
gateway: 10.1.202.1 (this is the VLAN ip address, I have
tried giving it the
router ip address but it didn't work... maybe I should try
the internet VLAN
address?)

It is so close to working!


I forgot the HP's had trunk (bonded) ports we had trouble with
those
so did not use them with the latest firmware, I was referring
to Vlan
trunks. Vlans will not be active until one of the un-tagged
ports is
up (something connected to it)

Anyways this is how I would configure it.

Port 1 on the switch would be the vlan trunk port, this means
it needs
to be a member of all the vlans as a tagged port and will be
connected
to your router.


vlan 2
  name "INTERNET"
  untagged 2-5
  ip address 10.1.201.2 255.255.255.0
  tagged 1
  exit
vlan 3
  name "RESIDENTS"
  untagged 6-24
  ip address 10.1.202.2 255.255.255.0
  tagged 1

  exit
vlan 4
  name "TEST"
  untagged 25-48
  ip address 10.1.205.3 255.255.255.0
  tagged T1
  exit


Dlink. I has never used one of these but in the  Cisco world the
config would look like this

interface FastEthernet0/0
 description Trunk to HP switch
 no ip address
 full-duplex

interface FastEthernet0/0.2
 description INTERNET vlan
 encapsulation dot1Q 2
 ip address  10.1.201.1 255.255.255.0

interface FastEthernet0/0.3
 description RESIDENTS vlan
 encapsulation dot1Q 3
 ip address  10.1.202.1 255.255.255.0

interface FastEthernet0/0.4
 description TEST vlan
 encapsulation dot1Q 4
 ip address  10.1.205.1 255.255.255.0

The above configs leave all routing to the router and
switching to the
switch, the default gateway for any hosts will be the router's IP

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-23 Thread Philip Stubbs 
On 23 December 2011 09:55, Jack Knight  wrote:
> Well Jim, you've only got 1 year to go before you can (re)adopt the practice
> I have done - i.e. quoting your rapidly increasing age in Hex; 40 has a nice
> ring to it don't you think? ;^)=

Cool. I am now 27 again! Yay.

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-23 Thread Chris. Aubrey-Smith 
On 23 December 2011 10:03, john lewis  wrote:

>
> but 4F looks odd!!
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On my recent birthday, I rejoiced at being told that I'm only 21 Celsius!

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-23 Thread john lewis 
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:55:18 +
Jack Knight  wrote:

> On 22 December 2011 23:11, Jim Kissel  wrote:
> 
> > I've worn  contacts since the late 70's.  Maybe I'm younger in
> > heart than
> >> my 63 years would indicate.  ;-)
> >
> >
> > Well Jim, you've only got 1 year to go before you can (re)adopt the
> practice I have done - i.e. quoting your rapidly increasing age in
> Hex; 40 has a nice ring to it don't you think? ;^)=

but 4F looks odd!!

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Re: [Hampshire] Mint debian gnome3 was New member...

2011-12-23 Thread john lewis 
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:11:01 +0530
pavithran  wrote:

> On 2 December 2011 23:33, john lewis 
> wrote:
> > Debian isn't perfect and changing to Gnome 3 is IMHO a bad choice
> > but XFCE allows me to set up the desktop the way I want and not how
> > some geeky developer thinks it should be.  Not all of us are
> > tablet/touch screen users!!
> I have used and liked Unity during the days of Ubuntu netbook remix .
> Compared to unity as of today I think gnome 3 is quite usable . But
> yeah the old easy menu thing is missing .
> 
> > With luck the Mint modifications to Gnome 3 will filter back into
> > Debian.
> Same here would love to see mint stuff coming back to ints grand
> mother/mother debian . I have spoken to some DD 's about LMDE and the
> role it plays strengthening the debian system , as usual they were not
> amused :(
> 
> > I have run the Mint Debian Edition 'live' on my spare system
> > and it looks quite good. It installed OK  but seems reluctant to
> > 'aptitude safe-upgrade' the 488 packages needing an upgrade plus the
> > 50 new packages it thinks I need ;-)
> 
> Hey be careful with LMDE and update . You will get into a mess . They
> do something like update packs
> http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1836

hello Pavi

I didn't get into any bother updating LMDE but yesterday decided to go
back to Debian on the spare system and did a net-install of squeeze
then upgraded that to testing aka wheezy.

So am now running gnome 3 classic on that system. Classic because the
built-in graphics won't run the full Gnome 3. I thought at first I'd
have to go back to squeeze because as it is installed classic is barely
configurable, but installing gnome-tweak-tool seems to have solved
that to some extent. 

I have one peculiar problem though in as much as my favourite browser,
opera*, won't run yet the same version on my amd 64 bit system seems
OK, but I am not going to take the risk of restarting it if I can avoid
it   ;-) 

This was one of the reasons for switching back  from LMDE
as this problem happened there first. It didn't make any difference
whether I got opera from the mint or the opera-deb repositories, it
still started then failed to run and threw up an error message. 

I might try upgrading again, from testing to unstable - after all the
reason I have a spare system is to allow me to play with things without
risking my main box too much (if running unstable can be called
risk-free but I've been using it for years with only the occasional
blip usually fixed in a couple of days at most). 

*Opera_11.60.1185_i386.deb
 
I'll take this opportunity to wish everybody in Hants LUG an enjoyable
festive season and hope that the New Year won't bring anyone any nasty
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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-23 Thread Jack Knight 
On 22 December 2011 23:11, Jim Kissel  wrote:

> I've worn  contacts since the late 70's.  Maybe I'm younger in heart than
>> my 63 years would indicate.  ;-)
>
>
> Well Jim, you've only got 1 year to go before you can (re)adopt the
practice I have done - i.e. quoting your rapidly increasing age in Hex; 40
has a nice ring to it don't you think? ;^)=

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Re: [Hampshire] HP ProCurve switch, VLAN configuration.

2011-12-23 Thread James Courtier-Dutton 
On Dec 23, 2011 9:32 AM, "Steven Swann"  wrote:
>
> Apologies, yes, you are right, I meant that 6 is on a different subnet.
But if I'm on the same subnet I can ping the the router without problem and
I have internet access.

So if you can ping the internet from port 5, you are finished with the
config on the hp switch. The problem is now with the config of the internet
router. What is in its routing table? Does it have an entry for the
residents subnet?
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Re: [Hampshire] HP ProCurve switch, VLAN configuration.

2011-12-23 Thread James Courtier-Dutton 
I think i will stop trying to help. If Steven tries to follow two peoples
advice at the same time it is not going to work. My fix is based on there
being no trunk ports. Wayne's uses trunk ports and i don't think it will
work because the internet router do not do vlans.
On Dec 23, 2011 9:17 AM, "Steven Swann"  wrote:

> That is excellent Wayne, thank you very much.
>
> I will test this configuration later on today. The DLINK router is very
> dumb and doesn't support VLANs or anything fancy like that. However, this
> is a mock set-up I have running in my office; I know the router in the
> actual network - who's name I can't even pronounce - does support VLANs and
> tagging. So if I can't get it running on my set up I will do a live test.
>
> I'll let you know how it goes.
>
> BR
>
> Steven
>
> On 12/23/2011 09:10 AM, Wayne Lee wrote:
>
>> Morning
>>
>>  The internet router is in port 1, the laptop is in port 5. I have now set
>>> the router port as a trunk on the switch.
>>>
>>> Port 5 is on a different subnet to port 1, the laptop is 10.1.202.0 and
>>> the
>>> router 10.1.201.0
>>>
>>> I set the static addresses of the laptop as follows:
>>> ip: 10.1.202.10
>>> subnet: 255.255.255.0
>>> gateway: 10.1.202.1 (this is the VLAN ip address, I have tried giving it
>>> the
>>> router ip address but it didn't work... maybe I should try the internet
>>> VLAN
>>> address?)
>>>
>>> It is so close to working!
>>>
>>>
>>>  I forgot the HP's had trunk (bonded) ports we had trouble with those
>> so did not use them with the latest firmware, I was referring to Vlan
>> trunks. Vlans will not be active until one of the un-tagged ports is
>> up (something connected to it)
>>
>> Anyways this is how I would configure it.
>>
>> Port 1 on the switch would be the vlan trunk port, this means it needs
>> to be a member of all the vlans as a tagged port and will be connected
>> to your router.
>>
>>
>> vlan 2
>>   name "INTERNET"
>>   untagged 2-5
>>   ip address 10.1.201.2 255.255.255.0
>>   tagged 1
>>   exit
>> vlan 3
>>   name "RESIDENTS"
>>   untagged 6-24
>>   ip address 10.1.202.2 255.255.255.0
>>   tagged 1
>>
>>   exit
>> vlan 4
>>   name "TEST"
>>   untagged 25-48
>>   ip address 10.1.205.3 255.255.255.0
>>   tagged T1
>>   exit
>>
>>
>> Dlink. I has never used one of these but in the  Cisco world the
>> config would look like this
>>
>> interface FastEthernet0/0
>>  description Trunk to HP switch
>>  no ip address
>>  full-duplex
>>
>> interface FastEthernet0/0.2
>>  description INTERNET vlan
>>  encapsulation dot1Q 2
>>  ip address  10.1.201.1 255.255.255.0
>>
>> interface FastEthernet0/0.3
>>  description RESIDENTS vlan
>>  encapsulation dot1Q 3
>>  ip address  10.1.202.1 255.255.255.0
>>
>> interface FastEthernet0/0.4
>>  description TEST vlan
>>  encapsulation dot1Q 4
>>  ip address  10.1.205.1 255.255.255.0
>>
>> The above configs leave all routing to the router and switching to the
>> switch, the default gateway for any hosts will be the router's IP
>>
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Re: [Hampshire] HP ProCurve switch, VLAN configuration.

2011-12-23 Thread Steven Swann 
Apologies, yes, you are right, I meant that 6 is on a different subnet. 
But if I'm on the same subnet I can ping the the router without problem 
and I have internet access.


On 12/23/2011 09:27 AM, James Courtier-Dutton wrote:


See inline

On Dec 23, 2011 8:50 AM, "Steven Swann" > wrote:

>
> The internet router is in port 1, the laptop is in port 5. I have 
now set the router port as a trunk on the switch.

>
> Port 5 is on a different subnet to port 1, the laptop is 10.1.202.0 
and the router 10.1.201.0

>
Wrong. Port 5 is on the same vlan as port 1.

> I set the static addresses of the laptop as follows:
> ip: 10.1.202.10
> subnet: 255.255.255.0
> gateway: 10.1.202.1 (this is the VLAN ip address, I have tried 
giving it the router ip address but it didn't work... maybe I should 
try the internet VLAN address?)

>
> It is so close to working!
>
>
> On 12/23/2011 08:38 AM, James Courtier-Dutton wrote:
>>
>> You don't say which port the internet router is connected to.
>> Plug a laptop into port 5 and see what that can ping if you give it 
a static ip address of 10.1.201.10/24 

>> It should be able to ping .1 and .2
>>


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Re: [Hampshire] HP ProCurve switch, VLAN configuration.

2011-12-23 Thread Steven Swann 
Vyatta looks very interesting, unfortunately I will not have time to 
test until after Christmas now, but it is certainly something I will be 
looking at :)


On 12/23/2011 09:24 AM, Wayne Lee wrote:

That is excellent Wayne, thank you very much.

Your welcome




I will test this configuration later on today. The DLINK router is very dumb
and doesn't support VLANs or anything fancy like that. However, this is a
mock set-up I have running in my office; I know the router in the actual
network - who's name I can't even pronounce - does support VLANs and
tagging. So if I can't get it running on my set up I will do a live test.

I'll let you know how it goes.

If you have a spare machine around you could run a live distro on it
or vyatta live and test it out that way. Vyatta is easy to use and I
can supply a sample config for that too if required.


Have fun

Wayne

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Re: [Hampshire] HP ProCurve switch, VLAN configuration.

2011-12-23 Thread James Courtier-Dutton 
See inline

On Dec 23, 2011 8:50 AM, "Steven Swann"  wrote:
>
> The internet router is in port 1, the laptop is in port 5. I have now set
the router port as a trunk on the switch.
>
> Port 5 is on a different subnet to port 1, the laptop is 10.1.202.0 and
the router 10.1.201.0
>
Wrong. Port 5 is on the same vlan as port 1.

> I set the static addresses of the laptop as follows:
> ip: 10.1.202.10
> subnet: 255.255.255.0
> gateway: 10.1.202.1 (this is the VLAN ip address, I have tried giving it
the router ip address but it didn't work... maybe I should try the internet
VLAN address?)
>
> It is so close to working!
>
>
> On 12/23/2011 08:38 AM, James Courtier-Dutton wrote:
>>
>> You don't say which port the internet router is connected to.
>> Plug a laptop into port 5 and see what that can ping if you give it a
static ip address of 10.1.201.10/24
>> It should be able to ping .1 and .2
>>
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Re: [Hampshire] HP ProCurve switch, VLAN configuration.

2011-12-23 Thread Wayne Lee 
> That is excellent Wayne, thank you very much.

Your welcome



> I will test this configuration later on today. The DLINK router is very dumb
> and doesn't support VLANs or anything fancy like that. However, this is a
> mock set-up I have running in my office; I know the router in the actual
> network - who's name I can't even pronounce - does support VLANs and
> tagging. So if I can't get it running on my set up I will do a live test.
>
> I'll let you know how it goes.

If you have a spare machine around you could run a live distro on it
or vyatta live and test it out that way. Vyatta is easy to use and I
can supply a sample config for that too if required.


Have fun

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Re: [Hampshire] HP ProCurve switch, VLAN configuration.

2011-12-23 Thread Steven Swann 

That is excellent Wayne, thank you very much.

I will test this configuration later on today. The DLINK router is very 
dumb and doesn't support VLANs or anything fancy like that. However, 
this is a mock set-up I have running in my office; I know the router in 
the actual network - who's name I can't even pronounce - does support 
VLANs and tagging. So if I can't get it running on my set up I will do a 
live test.


I'll let you know how it goes.

BR

Steven

On 12/23/2011 09:10 AM, Wayne Lee wrote:

Morning


The internet router is in port 1, the laptop is in port 5. I have now set
the router port as a trunk on the switch.

Port 5 is on a different subnet to port 1, the laptop is 10.1.202.0 and the
router 10.1.201.0

I set the static addresses of the laptop as follows:
ip: 10.1.202.10
subnet: 255.255.255.0
gateway: 10.1.202.1 (this is the VLAN ip address, I have tried giving it the
router ip address but it didn't work... maybe I should try the internet VLAN
address?)

It is so close to working!



I forgot the HP's had trunk (bonded) ports we had trouble with those
so did not use them with the latest firmware, I was referring to Vlan
trunks. Vlans will not be active until one of the un-tagged ports is
up (something connected to it)

Anyways this is how I would configure it.

Port 1 on the switch would be the vlan trunk port, this means it needs
to be a member of all the vlans as a tagged port and will be connected
to your router.


vlan 2
   name "INTERNET"
   untagged 2-5
   ip address 10.1.201.2 255.255.255.0
   tagged 1
   exit
vlan 3
   name "RESIDENTS"
   untagged 6-24
   ip address 10.1.202.2 255.255.255.0
   tagged 1

   exit
vlan 4
   name "TEST"
   untagged 25-48
   ip address 10.1.205.3 255.255.255.0
   tagged T1
   exit


Dlink. I has never used one of these but in the  Cisco world the
config would look like this

interface FastEthernet0/0
  description Trunk to HP switch
  no ip address
  full-duplex

interface FastEthernet0/0.2
  description INTERNET vlan
  encapsulation dot1Q 2
  ip address  10.1.201.1 255.255.255.0

interface FastEthernet0/0.3
  description RESIDENTS vlan
  encapsulation dot1Q 3
  ip address  10.1.202.1 255.255.255.0

interface FastEthernet0/0.4
  description TEST vlan
  encapsulation dot1Q 4
  ip address  10.1.205.1 255.255.255.0

The above configs leave all routing to the router and switching to the
switch, the default gateway for any hosts will be the router's IP

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Re: [Hampshire] HP ProCurve switch, VLAN configuration.

2011-12-23 Thread Wayne Lee 
Morning

> The internet router is in port 1, the laptop is in port 5. I have now set
> the router port as a trunk on the switch.
>
> Port 5 is on a different subnet to port 1, the laptop is 10.1.202.0 and the
> router 10.1.201.0
>
> I set the static addresses of the laptop as follows:
> ip: 10.1.202.10
> subnet: 255.255.255.0
> gateway: 10.1.202.1 (this is the VLAN ip address, I have tried giving it the
> router ip address but it didn't work... maybe I should try the internet VLAN
> address?)
>
> It is so close to working!
>
>

I forgot the HP's had trunk (bonded) ports we had trouble with those
so did not use them with the latest firmware, I was referring to Vlan
trunks. Vlans will not be active until one of the un-tagged ports is
up (something connected to it)

Anyways this is how I would configure it.

Port 1 on the switch would be the vlan trunk port, this means it needs
to be a member of all the vlans as a tagged port and will be connected
to your router.


vlan 2
  name "INTERNET"
  untagged 2-5
  ip address 10.1.201.2 255.255.255.0
  tagged 1
  exit
vlan 3
  name "RESIDENTS"
  untagged 6-24
  ip address 10.1.202.2 255.255.255.0
  tagged 1

  exit
vlan 4
  name "TEST"
  untagged 25-48
  ip address 10.1.205.3 255.255.255.0
  tagged T1
  exit


Dlink. I has never used one of these but in the  Cisco world the
config would look like this

interface FastEthernet0/0
 description Trunk to HP switch
 no ip address
 full-duplex

interface FastEthernet0/0.2
 description INTERNET vlan
 encapsulation dot1Q 2
 ip address  10.1.201.1 255.255.255.0

interface FastEthernet0/0.3
 description RESIDENTS vlan
 encapsulation dot1Q 3
 ip address  10.1.202.1 255.255.255.0

interface FastEthernet0/0.4
 description TEST vlan
 encapsulation dot1Q 4
 ip address  10.1.205.1 255.255.255.0

The above configs leave all routing to the router and switching to the
switch, the default gateway for any hosts will be the router's IP

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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers

2011-12-23 Thread hantslug 
On Thursday 22 December 2011 23:11:04 Jim Kissel wrote:
> hants...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday 22 December 2011 21:28:15 Keith Edmunds wrote:
> >> Right or
> >> wrong, justified or not, that's reality.
> >
> > Speaking personally, that jars considerably less than modern
> > teenager-speak for contact lenses.
> >
> > To me, a "contact" is either a person with whom I in contact, or a person
> > with whom I wish to be in contact, or something that enables electrically
> > charged wires to meet and communicate.  To my granddaughter it is a
> > miniature spectacle lens that you wear in your eye
>
> I've worn  contacts since the late 70's.  Maybe I'm younger in heart
> than my 63 years would indicate.  ;-)

Or maybe you are from the other side of the pond? ;-)

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Re: [Hampshire] HP ProCurve switch, VLAN configuration.

2011-12-23 Thread Steven Swann 
The internet router is in port 1, the laptop is in port 5. I have now 
set the router port as a trunk on the switch.


Port 5 is on a different subnet to port 1, the laptop is 10.1.202.0 and 
the router 10.1.201.0


I set the static addresses of the laptop as follows:
ip: 10.1.202.10
subnet: 255.255.255.0
gateway: 10.1.202.1 (this is the VLAN ip address, I have tried giving it 
the router ip address but it didn't work... maybe I should try the 
internet VLAN address?)


It is so close to working!


On 12/23/2011 08:38 AM, James Courtier-Dutton wrote:


You don't say which port the internet router is connected to.
Plug a laptop into port 5 and see what that can ping if you give it a 
static ip address of 10.1.201.10/24 

It should be able to ping .1 and .2


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Re: [Hampshire] HP ProCurve switch, VLAN configuration.

2011-12-23 Thread James Courtier-Dutton 
You don't say which port the internet router is connected to.
Plug a laptop into port 5 and see what that can ping if you give it a
static ip address of 10.1.201.10/24
It should be able to ping .1 and .2
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