Re: [Hampshire] Linux Answers
That's clutching at straws: gei means art or craft, and was only ever mapped to gay after gay changed from happy to homosexual. You've confused causation and coincidence. On 28/12/2011 10:06, john lewis wrote: Perhaps in this case it wasn't a change of usage so much as adoption of a Japanese word. Edmund de Waal mentions in his book (The Hare with Amber Eyes, p298) that the word 'gei', written in roman script, was in common usage during the American occupation of Japan after the end of WW2. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 06:48:59 - Mike Austin mja...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Perhaps this thread should become What's In A Name?. Words often change their usage and, therefore, meaning. 50 years ago the word gay had a different meaning than now. Perhaps in this case it wasn't a change of usage so much as adoption of a Japanese word. Edmund de Waal mentions in his book (The Hare with Amber Eyes, p298) that the word 'gei', written in roman script, was in common usage during the American occupation of Japan after the end of WW2. -- John Lewis using Debian sid -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On 28 December 2011 10:06, john lewis johnle...@hantslug.org.uk wrote: On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 06:48:59 - Mike Austin mja...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Perhaps this thread should become What's In A Name?. Words often change their usage and, therefore, meaning. 50 years ago the word gay had a different meaning than now. Perhaps in this case it wasn't a change of usage so much as adoption of a Japanese word. Edmund de Waal mentions in his book (The Hare with Amber Eyes, p298) that the word 'gei', written in roman script, was in common usage during the American occupation of Japan after the end of WW2. -- John Lewis using Debian sid I seem to recall a campaign by homosexuals (in San Francisco, I think) who marched with the slogan We're as good as you! Many then and later carried banners with the abbreviation GAY. Chris -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On 27/12/2011 10:55, Chris. Aubrey-Smith wrote: On 26 December 2011 18:24, Jacqui Caren jacqui.ca...@ntlworld.com mailto:jacqui.ca...@ntlworld.com wrote: Many many decades ago when I studied physics and computer science I had a hard time Can't be THAT many decades, as I recall some of the early discussions OK perhaps one too many's there :-) I did a joint sciences degree some 30ish years ago - coursework initially submitted as hand and machine punched cards but this only lasted a year and was replaced with terminals on a Harris S-6 running vulcan - the very first system I hacked :-) I still rememeber the ma.e exploit. Jacqui -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On 22/12/2011 22:28, hants...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thursday 22 December 2011 21:28:15 Keith Edmunds wrote: Right or wrong, justified or not, that's reality. Speaking personally, that jars considerably less than modern teenager-speak for contact lenses. Many many decades ago when I studied physics and computer science I had a hard time getting used to the different disciplines using the same TLA's (or worse the same greek letters) for different purposes. Made my head spin - it was like learning half a dozen different languages at once. Compared to that time flies like a banana is simples - only two realms :-) Jacqui -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On 23/12/2011 17:46, hants...@googlemail.com wrote: Many people, I know, use Fahrenheit. But does it make sense to anybody?? Centigrade clearly doesn't to weather forecasters, several of whom have recently said that temperatures of 11 degC are twice the seasonal average - since twice implies an absolute rather than relative scale, they must mean that temperatures would normally be 142K (or minus 131 degrees Centigrade). (Sorry for the pedantry - just been listening to More or Less, and their more rigorous approach is hard to shake off!) Simon -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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Celsius not centigrade! http://chemistry.about.com/b/2010/09/20/difference-between-celsius-and-centigrade.htm On 24/12/11 13:09, Simon Reap wrote: On 23/12/2011 17:46, hants...@googlemail.com wrote: Many people, I know, use Fahrenheit. But does it make sense to anybody?? Centigrade clearly doesn't to weather forecasters, several of whom have recently said that temperatures of 11 degC are twice the seasonal average - since twice implies an absolute rather than relative scale, they must mean that temperatures would normally be 142K (or minus 131 degrees Centigrade). (Sorry for the pedantry - just been listening to More or Less, and their more rigorous approach is hard to shake off!) Simon -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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Tony Wood ( hex 47 ) :-) (from Linux PC) On 23/12/11 11:12, Chris. Aubrey-Smith wrote: On 23 December 2011 10:03, john lewis johnle...@hantslug.org.uk mailto:johnle...@hantslug.org.uk wrote: but 4F looks odd!! -- John Lewis using Debian sid -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk mailto:Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- On my recent birthday, I rejoiced at being told that I'm only 21 Celsius! Chris. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 09:55 +, Jack Knight wrote: Well Jim, you've only got 1 year to go before you can (re)adopt the practice I have done - i.e. quoting your rapidly increasing age in Hex; 40 has a nice ring to it don't you think? ;^)= I've long since adopted a mathematical system. Take an age in decimal, if it's odd, subtract a one and hold on to it. Divide the remainder by two to get the a number base. Your age is now 20 or 21 depending on whether you add back a subtracted one. So I'm 21 right now, next year I'll be twenty again, but next year the number base will be thirty (or 0x1E if I _really_ want to confuse :-) Of course, once you're comfortable with the general principle, you can overlook the maths. Who needs it .. trust me, I'm 21, really! ATB, Gordon. -- Gordon Scottwww.gscott.co.uk 01256-476547 0794-1958207 -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On 22/12/11 21:28, Keith Edmunds wrote: On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:17:07 +, aecl...@candt.waitrose.com said: real people using GNU/Linux operating systems. Nobody outside geekdom uses GNU/Linux: they use Linux You are pretty well correct in this, the cause is probably already lost. Any number of usages and public definitions exist which call the complete operating system 'Linux'. Even IBM used this term alone when it marketed its early products as far as I have seen. The marketing culture has a lot to answer for - including Windows . However, it is not just a matter of semantics, otherwise I would not bother at all. I could not care less what the name is. Marketing in the free software world is *so* poor that even as an avid user it took me five years to bump into the real issue. 'Free' software means freedoms, and Stallman defined these. Torvalds is not an ethical, political idealist creature like Stallman. Torvalds takes an altogether more easy going view of licencing. So when push comes to shove (GPL2) is ok for the (Linux) kernel. Microsoft made its move on Novell etc on GPL2 basis, and drew back when GPL3 was created. GPL3 included the intention of protecting freedoms, and blocking such as Microsoft. There is a lot going on just now which threatens the freedoms but unfortunately the free software movement is *pants* at marketing. Having no money does not help against such powerful opposition. I looked carefully at Stallman's views and I could not fault them. However I could not personally follow them to the letter. But I don't think that makes the objectives wrong, just difficult to follow in todays world. I am a pragmatic GNU Linux user, I use Ubuntu which contains plenty of very non free stuff. But I think Stallman has a good point when he says that just 'Linux' risks people thinking that princples of 'Linux' are the same as those of 'free' software. Ok that poses a problem, and Stallman's answer sounds geeky. Why is 'GNU' any more geeky than 'Linux'? Gnu is a real animal, not a made up word with an X in it. In part the reason is simply marketing - so - follow the money, see where it leads. Probably not towards more freedom? When I have asked independent computer shops what about - say - Ubuntu? I get the retort that 'Linux' is not for ordinary users, only geeks. That 'Linux' and 'geek' word again, used *against* us. Yet we seem to be proud of it. The associations of both words Linux and geek are already not helpful in a public forum when marketing is attempted. At least that is my own direct experience. If you have better luck I would really be glad to know please. -- alan cocks -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On 24/12/11 18:37, alan c wrote: On 22/12/11 21:28, Keith Edmunds wrote: On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:17:07 +, aecl...@candt.waitrose.com said: real people using GNU/Linux operating systems. Nobody outside geekdom uses GNU/Linux: they use Linux You are pretty well correct in this, the cause is probably already lost. Any number of usages and public definitions exist which call the complete operating system 'Linux'. Even IBM used this term alone when it marketed its early products as far as I have seen. The marketing culture has a lot to answer for - including Windows . I am a pragmatic GNU Linux user, I use Ubuntu which contains plenty of very non free stuff. Linux is an OS and a kernel, they are the same thing. The OS interfaces with the hardware, GNU tools are in user land and interface with the OS. Most people don't need to know what an OS or kernel is and use Linux to mean a complete desk top or server system. When FSF talk about their GNU OS which includes Linux and X, they lose credibility when they have done so much to promote free software or open source. John. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Thursday 22 December 2011 23:11:04 Jim Kissel wrote: hants...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thursday 22 December 2011 21:28:15 Keith Edmunds wrote: Right or wrong, justified or not, that's reality. Speaking personally, that jars considerably less than modern teenager-speak for contact lenses. To me, a contact is either a person with whom I in contact, or a person with whom I wish to be in contact, or something that enables electrically charged wires to meet and communicate. To my granddaughter it is a miniature spectacle lens that you wear in your eye I've worn contacts since the late 70's. Maybe I'm younger in heart than my 63 years would indicate. ;-) Or maybe you are from the other side of the pond? ;-) Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On 22 December 2011 23:11, Jim Kissel j...@osml.eu wrote: I've worn contacts since the late 70's. Maybe I'm younger in heart than my 63 years would indicate. ;-) Well Jim, you've only got 1 year to go before you can (re)adopt the practice I have done - i.e. quoting your rapidly increasing age in Hex; 40 has a nice ring to it don't you think? ;^)= -- Jack Knight -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:55:18 + Jack Knight j...@pobox.com wrote: On 22 December 2011 23:11, Jim Kissel j...@osml.eu wrote: I've worn contacts since the late 70's. Maybe I'm younger in heart than my 63 years would indicate. ;-) Well Jim, you've only got 1 year to go before you can (re)adopt the practice I have done - i.e. quoting your rapidly increasing age in Hex; 40 has a nice ring to it don't you think? ;^)= but 4F looks odd!! -- John Lewis using Debian sid -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On 23 December 2011 10:03, john lewis johnle...@hantslug.org.uk wrote: but 4F looks odd!! -- John Lewis using Debian sid -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- On my recent birthday, I rejoiced at being told that I'm only 21 Celsius! Chris. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On 23 December 2011 09:55, Jack Knight j...@pobox.com wrote: Well Jim, you've only got 1 year to go before you can (re)adopt the practice I have done - i.e. quoting your rapidly increasing age in Hex; 40 has a nice ring to it don't you think? ;^)= Cool. I am now 27 again! Yay. -- Philip Stubbs -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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hants...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thursday 22 December 2011 23:11:04 Jim Kissel wrote: hants...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thursday 22 December 2011 21:28:15 Keith Edmunds wrote: Right or wrong, justified or not, that's reality. Speaking personally, that jars considerably less than modern teenager-speak for contact lenses. To me, a contact is either a person with whom I in contact, or a person with whom I wish to be in contact, or something that enables electrically charged wires to meet and communicate. To my granddaughter it is a miniature spectacle lens that you wear in your eye I've worn contacts since the late 70's. Maybe I'm younger in heart than my 63 years would indicate. ;-) Or maybe you are from the other side of the pond? ;-) Yes, I'm Yankee as well as a few oter things D-) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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Well I for one am glad that's been clarified, Keith. TYVM :-) Tony Wood from Linux Netbook Ubuntu 11.10 On 22/12/11 21:28, Keith Edmunds wrote: On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:17:07 +, aecl...@candt.waitrose.com said: real people using GNU/Linux operating systems. Nobody outside geekdom uses GNU/Linux: they use Linux. I've been using Linux since 1993, and working with it on a daily basis for more than ten years. The only people I have ever heard refer to the operating system as GNU/Linux are pedants. Nothing wrong with being a pedant, of course: I've revelled in the role for years. Part of being one is accepting that, by definition, you don't see things the way others do (or possibly you feel differently about them), or in other words you differ from the norm. The norm, in this case, is to refer to the entire collection of software, including the kernel (one component), the GNU bits (a minority of components) and all the non-GNU bits (the majority), as Linux. Right or wrong, justified or not, that's reality. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Friday 23 December 2011 11:12:10 Chris. Aubrey-Smith wrote: On my recent birthday, I rejoiced at being told that I'm only 21 Celsius! Sorry to be dim, Chris, but are you saying that 21 Celsius is the same thing as 70 Fahrenheit? Getting that far has taken me a mere 7 hours! Yes, I suppose you are. But that took arithmetic. 21 Celsius makes sense. Many people, I know, use Fahrenheit. But does it make sense to anybody?? :-/ Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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I am staggered that the choice of the name of my group should cause so much comment. Perhaps I should ask the editors of Linux Format magazine to be more specific about their content. Perhaps I should also contact Amadeus, one of the major players in the travel industry, to ask what they mean by the statement Airline IT systems and transactions business company Amadeus yesterday announced it will completely migrate its commercial airline transaction processing systems onto Linux by 2012, saying proprietary platforms were very limiting and criticised the lack of open standards in the industry. Since the name of the group is also the email address - linux-answ...@googlegroups.com - I attempted to keep it as short as I could. Fortunately the several members of this LUG who have already joined understand my intent. Mike -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:46:30 + hants...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello hants...@googlemail.com, Sorry to be dim, Chris, but are you saying that 21 Celsius is the same thing as 70 Fahrenheit? Getting that far has taken me a mere 7 hours! Yes, I suppose you are. But that took arithmetic. 21 Celsius makes sense. Many people, I know, use Fahrenheit. But does it make sense to anybody?? :-/ Many people use both Celsius Fahrenheit. For example, when it's hot, they might say It's eighty degrees, implying Fahrenheit. OTOH, when it's cold they'll report It's minus five, indicating Celsius. I mean, saying Brrr, it's 23 doesn't have the same ring to it. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent If Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais - The Clash signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Friday 23 December 2011 19:53:35 Jack Knight wrote: On 23 December 2011 17:46, hants...@googlemail.com wrote: On Friday 23 December 2011 11:12:10 Chris. Aubrey-Smith wrote: On my recent birthday, I rejoiced at being told that I'm only 21 Celsius! Sorry to be dim, Chris, but are you saying that 21 Celsius is the same thing as 70 Fahrenheit? Getting that far has taken me a mere 7 hours! Yes, I suppose you are. But that took arithmetic. 21 Celsius makes sense. Many people, I know, use Fahrenheit. But does it make sense to anybody?? :-/ Lisi I hate to say this, but maybe LMGTFY ? I did. actually - save the journey: 21 Degrees Celsius × 9 ÷ 5 + 32 = Degrees Fahrenheit (69.8°F) 7 hours? 7 hours to realise that that was what he was on about. I did the arithmetic in my head at the point when I realised it. I just don't think in Fahrenheit, which is why I couldn't make out what a moderate temperature had to do with his age. 7 seconds - and I'm 34 - sorry, I really should say 0x34 ;^)= Yes, but you knew what he meant. Transferring Centigrade to Fahrenheit, and vice versa, is easy, a mere matter of arithmetic. Knowing that that is what is needed is quite another matter, and I didn't get the joke. I neither think in nor understand Fahrenheit except for the human body temperature, and I had to learn that to be able to read a thermometer when in this country. References were made to a certain age. I am 45 (hex). And I can't think in, and do not think of, Fahrenheit. It makes no sense at all to me, where Centigrade is logical and comprehensible. The important thing in this isn't so much how long you have lived, as where you have done that living. Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Friday 23 December 2011 18:58:46 Mike Austin wrote: Fortunately the several members of this LUG who have already joined understand my intent. I'm sure that everyone did. Pedantry is just that, but most pedants know perfectly well what other people actually mean. And it is sometimes possible - and very gratifying - to turn the tables on a pedant. But you probably need to be a pedant yourself to do that successfully!! For better or for worse, people use Linux to mean a whole distribution. One cannot hold back the tide of linguistic shift. One may, if one wishes, deride it - but one cannot hold it back. Oh - and there are also Linux Questions, Linux Magazine, Linux User Groups etc. You are in good company. Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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I have to apologise for not being very active in the group, but I have had a very busy year after I recovered from a very nasty illness. I intend to attend some meetings next year, as I am not that far away in Port Solent. You may recall my mentioning, in previous posts, that I run an online group called PC-answers which is primarily for Windoze users. I have been helping several of the members kick the Windows Addiction and take the plunge into the world of Linux. As a result, I have created another group called Linux-answers. The format is somewhat different to our Lug as the membership is worldwide, members may post in HTML to include screenshots to help newbies, and attachments such as pdf files are permitted. Members can also choose how to receive posts to the group e.g. all mail, abridged mail, or weekly digests. The principal objective is to help newbies, so the content will not be as high-tech as on our group - initially anyway. Should anyone be interested, you can apply to join at http://groups.google.com/group/linux-answers Season's greetings, Mike -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On 22/12/11 19:09, Mike Austin wrote: Should anyone be interested, you can apply to join at http://groups.google.com/group/linux-answers Hi Mike and well done for the new group. I guess you intend the group to be for the linux based operating systems rather than the kernel only. Unfortunately the word 'Linux' has been associated with being for geeks only, which is probably true for the Linux kernel. But Linux based operating systems (such as Ubuntu etc) are on a different planet when it comes to ease of use, and mostly also for DIY installation too. The group name does not help clarification, and unless I join, I cannot see what the group intends to do - kernel - geeks - or real people using GNU/Linux operating systems. Anyway, good luck with it -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:17:07 +, aecl...@candt.waitrose.com said: real people using GNU/Linux operating systems. Nobody outside geekdom uses GNU/Linux: they use Linux. I've been using Linux since 1993, and working with it on a daily basis for more than ten years. The only people I have ever heard refer to the operating system as GNU/Linux are pedants. Nothing wrong with being a pedant, of course: I've revelled in the role for years. Part of being one is accepting that, by definition, you don't see things the way others do (or possibly you feel differently about them), or in other words you differ from the norm. The norm, in this case, is to refer to the entire collection of software, including the kernel (one component), the GNU bits (a minority of components) and all the non-GNU bits (the majority), as Linux. Right or wrong, justified or not, that's reality. -- You can have everything in life you want if you help enough other people get what they want - Zig Ziglar. Who did you help today? -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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On Thursday 22 December 2011 21:28:15 Keith Edmunds wrote: Right or wrong, justified or not, that's reality. Speaking personally, that jars considerably less than modern teenager-speak for contact lenses. To me, a contact is either a person with whom I in contact, or a person with whom I wish to be in contact, or something that enables electrically charged wires to meet and communicate. To my granddaughter it is a miniature spectacle lens that you wear in your eye. Even the Académie Francaise is in the process of not being able to hold the breach. And don't get me started on monstrosities like television and beefburger. C'est la vie. Language is a living entity. I am just in the process of reading Chaucer - in translation. I can't understand a large part of the original: yet his English is the ancestor of ours. Language changes with time and space. It is not immutable. That is what makes it so interesting. Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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I for one think it is quite appropriate for Mike to choose 'linux-answers' as the name for the group he is setting up considering the expected audiences. My wife who has put up with me for 35+ years, 15 or so of them with Linux in the frame, knows what 'Linux' means (she adamantly refulses to allow me to put it on her computers ;-) but considers 'Gnu' as a type of herbivore. p.s. I was going to visit the group and say something after doing that but I am waiting to be approved. -- best regards, Victor Churchill, Bournemouth -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
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hants...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thursday 22 December 2011 21:28:15 Keith Edmunds wrote: Right or wrong, justified or not, that's reality. Speaking personally, that jars considerably less than modern teenager-speak for contact lenses. To me, a contact is either a person with whom I in contact, or a person with whom I wish to be in contact, or something that enables electrically charged wires to meet and communicate. To my granddaughter it is a miniature spectacle lens that you wear in your eye I've worn contacts since the late 70's. Maybe I'm younger in heart than my 63 years would indicate. ;-) -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
