Re: [Hampshire] is it time to get rid of my advansys scsi controller?
2009/6/28 john lewis : > I decided to install the latest kernel (2.6.30-1-amd64) on my system, on > installation I got the following errors > > Setting up linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64 > (2.6.30-1) ... Running > depmod. Running > update-initramfs. update-initramfs: > Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-1-amd64 > > W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/advansys/38C1600.bin for > module advansys > > W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/advansys/38C0800.bin for > module advansys > > W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/advansys/3550.bin for module > advansys > > W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/advansys/mcode.bin for module > advansys > On my Ubuntu system they're in:- a...@hactar:/lib/firmware$ find | grep 38C ./2.6.30-10-generic/advansys/38C0800.bin ./2.6.30-10-generic/advansys/38C1600.bin ./2.6.30-9-generic/advansys/38C0800.bin ./2.6.30-9-generic/advansys/38C1600.bin > and it won't boot - with messages saying it cannot find those > firmware modules. I've tried googling for a solution without > success. > > I also installed the linux-headers package but am not sure how to > compile those missing firmware modules for a non-running kernel > You generally don't compile firmware blobs as they're usually provided by hardware manufacturers in binary-only form. According to Ubuntu they're in:- a...@hactar:~$ dpkg -S /lib/firmware/2.6.30-10-generic/advansys/38C0800.bin linux-image-2.6.30-10-generic: /lib/firmware/2.6.30-10-generic/advansys/38C0800.bin So in Ubuntuland the standard kernel contains that firmware. I can't find those firmware files in Debian. http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=38C0800.bin&mode=exactfilename&suite=unstable&arch=any Maybe it's time to upgrade to Ubuntu :p Cheers, Al. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] is it time to get rid of my advansys scsi controller?
Debian have, perhaps unhelpfully, stopped shipping a lot of firmware. Installing Lenny onto a system with a Broadcom NetXtremeII NIC will result in a system with no network drivers unless you have the firmware available on a USB stick or similar when you install. On the one hand you have Debian's purity; on the other, pragmatism. Debian is going to be a harder sell as a result of this decision. Keith -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] is it time to get rid of my advansys scsi controller?
On Sunday 28 June 2009 13:16:23 Keith Edmunds wrote: > Debian have, perhaps unhelpfully, stopped shipping a lot of firmware. > Installing Lenny onto a system with a Broadcom NetXtremeII NIC will result > in a system with no network drivers unless you have the firmware available > on a USB stick or similar when you install. > > On the one hand you have Debian's purity; on the other, pragmatism. Debian > is going to be a harder sell as a result of this decision. And the most recent installation of Lenny I did (last week) had neither K3b nor CUPS there by default in the Desktop packages. This is the first time that this has happened to me. There was no other CD burner so far as I could see. Debian has been becoming easier and easier to install and administer. Perhaps this was offending the purists??? In Lenny's defence, I must put the other side of the coin. Another thing new in my experience, X was a piece of cake. I did the installation at my house and then took the box round to the owner. I expected to have to reconfigure xorg.conf, since I have a monitor running at 1280x1024 and he has a widescreen monitor. In the event, Lenny booted straight into the correct resolution for his monitor. In fact, his display was better configured than I have ever managed to get it before. Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] is it time to get rid of my advansys scsi controller?
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:09:49 +0100 Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/6/28 john lewis : > > I decided to install the latest kernel (2.6.30-1-amd64) on my > > system, on installation I got the following errors > > > > Setting up linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64 > > (2.6.30-1) ... Running > > depmod. Running > > update-initramfs. update-initramfs: > > Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-1-amd64 > > > > W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/advansys/38C1600.bin for > > module advansys > > > > W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/advansys/38C0800.bin for > > module advansys > > > > W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/advansys/3550.bin for > > module advansys > > > > W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/advansys/mcode.bin for > > module advansys > > > > On my Ubuntu system they're in:- > > a...@hactar:/lib/firmware$ find | grep 38C > ./2.6.30-10-generic/advansys/38C0800.bin > ./2.6.30-10-generic/advansys/38C1600.bin > ./2.6.30-9-generic/advansys/38C0800.bin > ./2.6.30-9-generic/advansys/38C1600.bin > > > and it won't boot - with messages saying it cannot find those > > firmware modules. I've tried googling for a solution without > > success. > > > > I also installed the linux-headers package but am not sure how to > > compile those missing firmware modules for a non-running kernel > > > > You generally don't compile firmware blobs as they're usually provided > by hardware manufacturers in binary-only form. According to Ubuntu > they're in:- > > a...@hactar:~$ dpkg > -S /lib/firmware/2.6.30-10-generic/advansys/38C0800.bin > linux-image-2.6.30-10-generic: > /lib/firmware/2.6.30-10-generic/advansys/38C0800.bin > > So in Ubuntuland the standard kernel contains that firmware. > > I can't find those firmware files in Debian. > > http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=38C0800.bin&mode=exactfilename&suite=unstable&arch=any > > Maybe it's time to upgrade to Ubuntu :p Never, not ever!* I had read about the Debian decision not to include firmware in kernels but didn't really expect my ancient advansys scsi card to fall foul of this. My googling efforts didn't throw up any source for those missing files hence my asking for advice. It does look like my best option is to remove the card and look for a reasonably priced usb scanner that works out of the box with Debian What I get is going to depend on what having the four glass french mantle clock I inherited from my Mother will actually cost to have it fully restored. It was a nice looking clock in its tarnished condition but with the brasswork properly polished and lacquered, the enamelled pillars, dial surround and pendulum cleaned up, plus new mercury vials it will be quite stunning. It has been with the restorers for nearly 9 months now such is the demand for their services but it is almost ready for collection. The original estimate was in the region of £800 but depending on what problems they found it could cost somewhat more. Once done however the retail value will be double that so worth having done. So until I know the final cost I'll have to do without a scanner. * I will admit to having installed crunchbang in VirtualBox along with XP Pro so equate them as being almost equally bad :-) -- John Lewis using Debian Sid with windowmaker for a nicer desktop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] is it time to get rid of my advansys scsi controller?
2009/6/28 john lewis : > I had read about the Debian decision not to include firmware in > kernels but didn't really expect my ancient advansys scsi card to fall > foul of this. > You could of course just copy the firmware off another machine. http://popey.com/~alan/advansys/ I've put the ones off my machine (running kernel 2.6.30 - but I doubt that matters). Try them. Cheers, Al. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] is it time to get rid of my advansys scsi controller?
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:46:05 +0100 Alan Pope wrote: > You could of course just copy the firmware off another machine. > I've put the ones off my machine (running kernel 2.6.30 - but I doubt > that matters). Try them. Thanks Alan, I have copied them to the location Debian expects to find them and will try booting later. John -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] is it time to get rid of my advansys scsi controller?
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:06:14 +0100 Lisi wrote: > And the most recent installation of Lenny I did (last week) had > neither K3b nor CUPS there by default in the Desktop packages. This > is the first time that this has happened to me. There was no other > CD burner so far as I could see. Hi Lisi I have never used or needed k3b or any other graphical tool for writing CDs, Debian provides wodim, not sure if by default but aptitude install will get it for you. I use it like this from a terminal wodim -v dev=/dev/cdrom speed=4 /home/jayell/downloads/*.iso -- John Lewis using Debian Sid with windowmaker for a nicer desktop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] is it time to get rid of my advansys scsi controller?
On Tuesday 30 June 2009 09:06:28 john lewis wrote: > On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:06:14 +0100 > > Lisi wrote: > > And the most recent installation of Lenny I did (last week) had > > neither K3b nor CUPS there by default in the Desktop packages. This > > is the first time that this has happened to me. There was no other > > CD burner so far as I could see. > > Hi Lisi > > I have never used or needed k3b or any other graphical tool for writing > CDs, Debian provides wodim, not sure if by default but aptitude install > will get it for you. I use it like this from a terminal > > wodim -v dev=/dev/cdrom speed=4 /home/jayell/downloads/*.iso > > > -- > John Lewis > using Debian Sid with windowmaker for a nicer desktop Hi, John, Thanks for that. That will come in very useful. Sorting out how to burn CDs at the CLI is on my list of "to do"s but I hadn't yet got round to it. There are several things that I choose to do at the command line as a result of your help, and I really appreciate that help. But the case I mentioned was for someone else and the missing packages were only an "aptitude install" away. :-) It just seemed strange that things as basic as those had not been included as standard. Lisi -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] is it time to get rid of my advansys scsi controller?
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:46:05 +0100 Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/6/28 john lewis : > > I had read about the Debian decision not to include firmware in > > kernels but didn't really expect my ancient advansys scsi card to > > fall foul of this. > > > > You could of course just copy the firmware off another machine. > > http://popey.com/~alan/advansys/ > > I've put the ones off my machine (running kernel 2.6.30 - but I doubt > that matters). Try them. Hi Alan regrettably I still got an error when I tried booting the 2.6.30 kernel this morning failed to load image "advansys/mcode.bin" err-2 so have now removed the scsi card and will try the usb approach if I find I really need a scanner Thanks for your help -- John Lewis using Debian Sid with windowmaker for a nicer desktop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] is it time to get rid of my advansys scsi controller?
2009/7/1 john lewis : > regrettably I still got an error when I tried booting the 2.6.30 > kernel this morning > > failed to load image "advansys/mcode.bin" err-2 > Interesting, my brain is telling me -2 is file not found, but I may be wrong on that. Where exactly did you plop the files? On Ubuntu they're in /lib/firmware/`uname -r`/advansys But I have a vauge recollection that the system will also search /lib/firmware too. Be nice to get this working given it worked in the past, and the only change it seems that Debian made is to yank the binary bits and bobs. Unless it's just a bug that it can't load them for some reason. I can't imagine debian block the loading of the firmware even though you obtained it. That would smack of FSF-levels of 'freedom' imposing. Cheers, Al. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] is it time to get rid of my advansys scsi controller?
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:18:35 +0100 Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/7/1 john lewis : > > regrettably I still got an error when I tried booting the 2.6.30 > > kernel this morning > > > > failed to load image "advansys/mcode.bin" err-2 > > > > Interesting, my brain is telling me -2 is file not found, but I may be > wrong on that. Where exactly did you plop the files? benden:/home/jayell# ls /lib/firmware 3com advansys dabusb e100 kaweth matrox r128 radeon tehuti benden:/home/jayell# ls /lib/firmware/advansys 3550.bin 38C0800.bin 38C1600.bin mcode.bin > On Ubuntu they're in /lib/firmware/`uname -r`/advansys should not be a problem as Debian uses same location > Unless it's just a bug that it can't load them for some reason. I > can't imagine debian block the loading of the firmware even though you > obtained it. That would smack of FSF-levels of 'freedom' imposing. I'm pretty sure Debian doesn't prevent user freedom, after all I have been using stuff like acroread for yonks. -- John Lewis using Debian Sid with windowmaker for a nicer desktop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] is it time to get rid of my advansys scsi controller?
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:33:59 +0100 john lewis wrote: > benden:/home/jayell# ls /lib/firmware > 3com advansys dabusb e100 kaweth matrox r128 radeon tehuti > > benden:/home/jayell# ls /lib/firmware/advansys > 3550.bin 38C0800.bin 38C1600.bin mcode.bin > > > On Ubuntu they're in /lib/firmware/`uname -r`/advansys > > should not be a problem as Debian uses same location Oops! not quite the same location as it doesn't seem to be kernel specific in Debian -- John Lewis using Debian Sid with windowmaker for a nicer desktop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] is it time to get rid of my advansys scsi controller?
2009/7/1 john lewis : > Hi Alan > > regrettably I still got an error when I tried booting the 2.6.30 > kernel this morning > > failed to load image "advansys/mcode.bin" err-2 > Bit of a shame that the kernel does not output the full path in that message! I seem to remember that there was a way to find out the full path it is actually looking for, but I don't remember how. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] is it time to get rid of my advansys scsi controller?
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:00:20 +0100 James Courtier-Dutton wrote: > 2009/7/1 john lewis : > > Hi Alan > > > > regrettably I still got an error when I tried booting the 2.6.30 > > kernel this morning > > > > failed to load image "advansys/mcode.bin" err-2 > > > > Bit of a shame that the kernel does not output the full path in that > message! I seem to remember that there was a way to find out the full > path it is actually looking for, but I don't remember how. before I put those files into /lib/firmware/advansys/ the error messages I got did give the path it was searching as /lib/firmware, so I think it has to be a problem with 'mcode.bin', as from memory, that was the last file of the four it was trying to find. -- John Lewis using Debian Sid with windowmaker for a nicer desktop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] is it time to get rid of my advansys scsi controller?
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:25:50 +0100 john lewis wrote: > before I put those files into /lib/firmware/advansys/ the error > messages I got did give the path it was searching as /lib/firmware, > so I think it has to be a problem with 'mcode.bin', as from memory, > that was the last file of the four it was trying to find. I have resolved the problem of my advansys scsi card, not a linux solution however ;-( I put it in my wife's xp system box and after a lot of faffing around getting the correct twain driver installed and finding some installable Epson scanner software* I finally have a working scanner. Although the "Epson Scan! II32" application works the interface isn't as good as The Gimp so will have to install that on her system too. * for some reason the original CD has gone walkabouts and in any case one of the other original CDs of Epson software says it cannot install on windows NT! -- John Lewis using Debian Sid with windowmaker for a nicer desktop -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
