[Harbour] Re: Introducing myself

2010-04-09 Thread Pritpal Bedi


Viktor Szakáts wrote:
 
 Hi Antonio,
 
 Thank you very much for your kind introduction e-mail, 
 and very much so for the update work you've done on 
 Harbour's wikipedia entry, I've just checked it, it's 
 very good job. It finally looks professional.
 
 You're welcome in the team.
 
 Brgds,
 Viktor
 

+11 
Others just talked, you did it. Thanks.


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Re: [Harbour] Re: Introducing myself

2010-04-09 Thread Antonio Maniero
I will try improve documentation too, but I can just do well in Portuguese.
I will be the boring guy to touch key of documentation.

Typical xbase programmers (not most of this list) have problems when they
documentation, imagine when he can't found documentation. I am not a very
expert on programming but I know fundamentals, I have experience with low
level programming and I worked with hundreds big companies and I am in
trouble to put my own Harbour build up and to understand some internals that
I will need work soon.

I know many Clipper programmers, I helped a lof of them and I am very proud
that all of them are better xBase programmer than the average. Some of them
never had heard on Harbour, some gave up Harbour after one failure (this is
a typical xBase programmer), and old Harbour versions helped build an image
of unprofessional plataform to migrate applications.

I feel that documentation and advocacy are very necessary. Even when I
dislike advocacy :-)

Thanks but I am just giving some thing back to all efforts that the team
have done to Harbour.

Again, sorry by my very strange english.

[]'s Maniero

2010/4/9 Pritpal Bedi bediprit...@hotmail.com



 Viktor Szakáts wrote:
 
  Hi Antonio,
 
  Thank you very much for your kind introduction e-mail,
  and very much so for the update work you've done on
  Harbour's wikipedia entry, I've just checked it, it's
  very good job. It finally looks professional.
 
  You're welcome in the team.
 
  Brgds,
  Viktor
 

 +11
 Others just talked, you did it. Thanks.


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[Harbour] Re: Introducing myself

2010-04-06 Thread Pritpal Bedi


Antonio Maniero wrote:
 
 First of all I really sorry by my bad and poor English. I made my best.
 

You are allright. I think very few of us are from native english speaking
areas.
Important is not the language, but the willingness to express.
Welcome on the list.



 I want to make it clear: I want help Harbour development. Now I can mainly
 give my opinions, try to influence some decisions, suggest enhancements,
 report bugs. I need to get experience with C99 and GCC. My C experience is
 about MS-C 5.0 (I give you a candy if you know why :-) ). I need to get
 time
 to help with code. I will try to contribute with some thing later.
 

Well-said.



 I would like help with HBIDE but I have a very different programming style
 and my major problem as developer is difficulty of adaptation on other
 style. Totally my fault. Anyway I would like to see HBIDE  evolution
 mainly
 in code editor and debugger. In fact I hope to get HBIDE compiled. Four
 days
 trying and nothing :-) But I can't get any application using Qt or MySQL
 compiled. Maybe my Harbour build is wrong. I still trying.
 

It is strange. If you have set Harbour environment properly,
which I guess you have, and Qt distro then it should be a matter of 
issueing only 
   c:\hbmk2  hbide.hbp 
Let us know where you get the problems.



 Thanks to everyone efforts. Harbour community need to be more active to
 sell Harbour on the web. IMHO most xBase programmer is individualist too
 much, including. I hope change this.
 

Yes. This is a pitty. Very few are vocal and respond on the lists.



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Re: [Harbour] Re: Introducing myself

2010-04-06 Thread Massimo Belgrano
I know by private mail around 30 user that want use mailing only to read and
not for write post
if in future we allow anonymous posting (moderated) it appear


 Thanks to everyone efforts. Harbour community need to be more active to
  sell Harbour on the web. IMHO most xBase programmer is individualist
 too
  much, including. I hope change this.
 

 Yes. This is a pitty. Very few are vocal and respond on the lists.



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[Harbour] Re: Introducing myself

2010-04-06 Thread Pritpal Bedi


Massimo Belgrano wrote:
 
 I know by private mail around 30 user that want use mailing only to read
 and
 not for write post
 if in future we allow anonymous posting (moderated) it appear
 

The question is WHY ? Why they do not want to post by name ?
What reasons stop them to disclose their names ? If the name is only 
creteria, then they always have an option to create a new account with 
fake name and just post. 


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Re: [Harbour] Re: Introducing myself

2010-04-06 Thread Viktor Szakáts
 Massimo Belgrano wrote:
 
 I know by private mail around 30 user that want use mailing only to read
 and
 not for write post
 if in future we allow anonymous posting (moderated) it appear
 
 
 The question is WHY ? Why they do not want to post by name ?
 What reasons stop them to disclose their names ? If the name is only 
 creteria, then they always have an option to create a new account with 
 fake name and just post. 

Yes indeed, the barrier to post or contribute to Harbour 
is near zero.

We have forum(s), wikipedia entry, user's list with 
large amount of web gateways, developer's mailing list 
with again huge amount of web gateways, we have bug 
reporting engine, SVN web access, Trac with wiki, stats 
pages, automated nightly downloads, webpage, blogs, 
feature request page, facebook group.

If this is not enough or unacceptable for some users, 
I'm personally very sorry, but the fault is not on our 
side. ( Or do we miss Twitter?? ;)

IMO any mails/complaints/request suggesting missing 
communication medium is just unnecessary noise.

Rather pls go along and exploit current mediums.

Brgds,
Viktor

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Re: [Harbour] Re: Introducing myself

2010-04-06 Thread Massimo Belgrano
Fear of post in public place
fear of bad explain
fear of bad english
fear of write a permament bad post with error visible to everybody
fear of wasting time
-
I invite same of ready only user
help us
why not collaborate?
what can be done to give better collaboration?

2010/4/6 Pritpal Bedi bediprit...@hotmail.com



 Massimo Belgrano wrote:
 
  I know by private mail around 30 user that want use mailing only to read
  and
  not for write post
  if in future we allow anonymous posting (moderated) it appear
 

 The question is WHY ? Why they do not want to post by name ?
 What reasons stop them to disclose their names ? If the name is only
 creteria, then they always have an option to create a new account with
 fake name and just post.



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Re: [Harbour] Re: Introducing myself

2010-04-06 Thread Viktor Szakáts
 Fear of post in public place
 fear of bad explain
 fear of bad english
 fear of write a permament bad post with error visible to everybody
 fear of wasting time
 -
 I invite same of ready only user
 help us 
 why not collaborate?
 what can be done to give better collaboration?

I think most of these can be overcome by participating 
on user's list (there is no bad question there) with 
an alias created specifically for Harbour (anonymity).

Brgds,
Viktor

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[Harbour] Re: Introducing myself

2010-04-06 Thread Pritpal Bedi


Qatan wrote:
 
 Antonio,
 
 I had problems building HBIDE in the past and I understand you.
 My main problem was configuring the enviroment. I assume that you have
 already downloaded the right tools from the right places and have QT,
 MingW and of course, Harbour with contribs (HBIDE).
 I hope the way I do is correct (please anyone correct me if wrong).
 Follows how it is configured in my computer with Windows XP Home. It
 works for me:
 

Thanks Qatan.

This type of participation is equally important as development.
It helps a new entrant a lot and ease him out plus it saves a lot of 
time of developers to concentrate on their target.

Keep it up.


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