Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
The code is acutally in the RPB Broker so you would have to modify it to use a specific port rather than a "random" port. The code is in wsockc.pas, the port for the callback is actually set by the client. Look for LocalPort in the code and you will see how the RPC Client gets this port, it sends the port to the host (VistA) along with the ip address so the host (VistA) knows where to do the call back. The process is rather simple, an initial connection is made and the client sends the necessary info to the host, the host forks off a process to perform the callback to the client, this forked process is the one used for all subsequent IP communiation to the client. I hope this helps. - Original Message - From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:59 AM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > Is that with the RPC broker components in the Delphi code, or, as I would > guess, in the M code? How would I find it? > Can you think of a string I could search M code for to hone in on it? -- > i.e., you got to do better than that, Roy, for us newbies!!! ;-) > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roy > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:34 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > It is in the winsock code. > > - Original Message - > From: "Kevin Toppenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > > > Shaun, > > > > The server side is written in M, and the windows > > client is written in Delphi pascal. > > > > I wouldn't advise you to try to pick through all that > > M code--it's pretty ugly if you ask me. I was > > thinking that someone else on the list might know > > right how to do it. > > > > Kevin > > > > --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I worked on that for the past couple weeks and I > > > haven't even found a > > > starting point. I wrongly assumed that CPRS was > > > written in C or C++. > > > It appears to be in M. Since I can barely recognize > > > M at this point, I > > > can't work on the code. > > > -Shaun > > > > > > Kevin Toppenberg wrote: > > > > > > >How difficult would it be to modify the source code > > > so > > > >that a specific port is used for the call back, > > > rather > > > >than a random port. I would think that finding the > > > >code would the difficult part. But after found, I > > > >would think that specifying a given port would be > > > >straightforward. > > > > > > > >Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > >--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with > > > >>our network security. > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__ > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > > >Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other > > > providers! > > > >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > > > >This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE > > > JUDGE. Be one of 170 > > > >Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE > > > for your judgement on > > > >who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > > > Sponsored by IBM. > > > >Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: > > > http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > > > >___ > > > >Hardhats-members mailing list > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. > > > Be one of 170 > > > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE > > > for your judgement on > > > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > > > Sponsored by IBM. > > > Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: > > > http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > > > ___ > > > Hardhats-members mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > --- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 > > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on > > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. > > Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > > ___ > > Hardhats-members mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > --
RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS...
I agree with David Sommers, except I am much less sophisticated. Paste your query right into google and it does a nice job of searching the vdl site including the pdf files as well as finding some unexpected other sites. Just be sure to include VistA in the search terms and it does a pretty good job of finding hits - at least with IE which is what I used most of the time until recently, when I started use Mozilla most of the time. Last time I checked, the VA was using Microsoft servers, so maybe it does matter which browser. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of CS Wagner Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS... I must say that 99% of my frustrations come from the difficulty of finding and reading the documentation. For instance, I had no idea what the 'Add a User' command was when I started. The VA has a great volume of documentation online, but it is broken up by cryptic module names. I had to scan through each and every file on the site until I found something that looked like it might work. Luckily, Nancy sent me a document that had XUSERADD right at the top. Next, adding a patient... I don't know what module that would be in. I just want the command. After scanning a bunch (over 50) of possible docs, I found mention of DG ADD PATIENT. I tried that and it worked (of course, I still don't know what 10-10 Data is or how to add an outpatient). Side note: You cannot easily search PDF and Word documents online. It would be SO much nicer if all the documents were in HTML. I assume that the DG on DG ADD PATIENT means something to those who know the modules, but it means nothing to me because I haven't found a document that lists all the module names and what they do. I know that would be a huge list, but it could be made nicer by listing only the top 10 most used modules at the top. The same with the commands - a list of the top 20 most used commands (and what they do) would be nice. Because I am a software engineer, I recognize the problem too well. This is like trying to convert a Windows user Linux (sans GUI). They may have used DOS and they know that 'dir' will list a directory, but that won't help them figure out that it is 'ls' in Linux. Once they figure out a few commands, telling them to read the man page is a waste of time because the manual is written specifically for those who already know how to use Linux, not for those trying to figure it out. The popularity of Linux is directly related to the translation of the manuals from tech-speak to plain English. I think that Vista has the ability to become more popular as the manuals are translated from cryptic module groups with cryptic file names into plain English. Also, like Linux, there is the version-specific threat. A document about using Fedora may give wrong information to a Debian user, just like a document about VistA might give wrong information to an OpenVista user. -Shaun Kevin Toppenberg wrote: >Shaun, > >Well, my sympathies are with you. I don't know if it >will help, but I compiled the following top level >menus into a supermenu called "adam". It helped me >explore the menu options for registering patients, >having nurses add vitals etc. > >You will have to ignore the "just look at the menu names. You can create this menu >through the menu system (let me know if you need >further help in that direction) or you can enter the >data into the OPTIONS file directly. > >Good luck. > >EVE >EVE >1 >ORMGR >CPRS >OR OE/RR MENU CLINICIAN >DOC >MAG SYS MENU >IMG >XUKEYMGMT >KEY >OR OE/RR MENU NURSE >NURS >FBAA MAIN MENU >PHAR >DG REGISTRATION MENU >REG >TMG TEXT MENU >TEXT >TIU MAIN MENU >TRANSCRIPTION >TRAN >GMRVMGR >VITL >OR OE/RR MENU WARD CLERK >WARD >WVMENU >WO >YSMANAGER >YSM >ECTMGR >PX PCE CLINICIAN MENU > > > > >--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>I've actually been attempting to get Vista to a >>state where we can use >>it in production since last November. So, it is >>almost a year now. It >>took a very long time to get it installed properly >>because I didn't >>realize that M was picky about spacing and the >>commands kept failing. I >>then had a major headache getting CPRS to allow >>users to log in, but got >>that taken care of for all but one user. His last >>name is Nida. I set >>him up the same as everyone else and on the old >>install and the new one, >>he is the only one who cannot use CPRS. In the end, >>firewall issues >>with CPRS made me give up on that and I'm back to >>the basics - adding a >>patient, scheduling the patient, entering patient >>visit and lab data. >>As for contracting this to someone else, that isn't >>easily available. >>This is merely a grant study on setting up a >>distributed EMR system for >>rural clinics. There isn't much money in it. The >>choice of Vista came >>because so many of the people here work at the VA. >> -Shaun >> >
RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS...
www1.va.gov/vista_monograph works outside the VA. I didn't make it a hyperlink so you could see the underscore. Paste that into your browser as it is and it will go. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Schlehuber, Cameron Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 2:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS... No. Check out ftp://ftp.va.gov/vista/vistadocs/monograph/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beza, Fil Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 12:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS... Vista monographs are at http://www1.va.gov/vista_monograph/ Can you get to it from outside the VA? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beza, Fil Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS... At the same ftp site you obtain the CACHE.ZIP or Vista-GTM-ready.zip you will find namespaces.txt. It lists all those "namespaces". Also, when you go to the Packages folder, each package folder name has its namespace, thus you will see the first as Accounts Receivable - PRCA. It might also help if you had the VistA monographs - a publication that describes the various VistA Modules and what they do. I can't find it on the FOIA Ftp site but I'll keep searching. In the meantime, somebody else may know where to get it. Probable, the VistA Documentation Library. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CS Wagner Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS... I must say that 99% of my frustrations come from the difficulty of finding and reading the documentation. For instance, I had no idea what the 'Add a User' command was when I started. The VA has a great volume of documentation online, but it is broken up by cryptic module names. I had to scan through each and every file on the site until I found something that looked like it might work. Luckily, Nancy sent me a document that had XUSERADD right at the top. Next, adding a patient... I don't know what module that would be in. I just want the command. After scanning a bunch (over 50) of possible docs, I found mention of DG ADD PATIENT. I tried that and it worked (of course, I still don't know what 10-10 Data is or how to add an outpatient). Side note: You cannot easily search PDF and Word documents online. It would be SO much nicer if all the documents were in HTML. I assume that the DG on DG ADD PATIENT means something to those who know the modules, but it means nothing to me because I haven't found a document that lists all the module names and what they do. I know that would be a huge list, but it could be made nicer by listing only the top 10 most used modules at the top. The same with the commands - a list of the top 20 most used commands (and what they do) would be nice. Because I am a software engineer, I recognize the problem too well. This is like trying to convert a Windows user Linux (sans GUI). They may have used DOS and they know that 'dir' will list a directory, but that won't help them figure out that it is 'ls' in Linux. Once they figure out a few commands, telling them to read the man page is a waste of time because the manual is written specifically for those who already know how to use Linux, not for those trying to figure it out. The popularity of Linux is directly related to the translation of the manuals from tech-speak to plain English. I think that Vista has the ability to become more popular as the manuals are translated from cryptic module groups with cryptic file names into plain English. Also, like Linux, there is the version-specific threat. A document about using Fedora may give wrong information to a Debian user, just like a document about VistA might give wrong information to an OpenVista user. -Shaun Kevin Toppenberg wrote: >Shaun, > >Well, my sympathies are with you. I don't know if it will help, but I >compiled the following top level menus into a supermenu called "adam". >It helped me explore the menu options for registering patients, having >nurses add vitals etc. > >You will have to ignore the "menu names. You can create this menu through the menu system (let me >know if you need further help in that direction) or you can enter the >data into the OPTIONS file directly. > >Good luck. > >EVE >EVE >1 id="MENU/.01">ORMGR CPRS >OR OE/RR MENU CLINICIAN id="MENU/SYNONYM">DOC MAG SYS MENU >IMG id="MENU/.01">XUKEYMGMT KEY >OR OE/RR MENU NURSE id="MENU/SYNONYM">NURS FBAA MAIN >MENU PHAR id="MENU/.01">DG REGISTRATION MENU id="MENU/SYNONYM">REG TMG TEXT >MENU TEXT id="MENU/.01">TIU MAIN MENU TRANSCRIPTION id="MENU/SYNONYM">TRAN GMRVMGR >VITL OR OE/RR >MENU WARD CLERK WARD id="MENU/.01">WVMENU
Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS...
On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 17:34, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: > I think that those that have advanced > in knowledge forget the challenges they had in the > beginning, so they are not the best ones to write such > bridge documentation. ...somehow this reminds me of having children and raising them...no wonder they don't come with a user's manual :-) Kidding aside, this is one of the areas where newbies can make their greatest contribution in return for what they receive, as they see things with fresh eyes and ask all the really smart dumb questions. Joseph --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS...
In the beginning there was only DI (Fileman), DG (Registration/ADT), PS (Pharmacy), and SD (Scheduling) Fileman was the database and you added and updated patient data via Registration. You also defined your inpatient ward using the ADT part of DG and admitted patients, transferred them to other wards throught it. You defined your outpatient clinics via Scheduling and booked patient appointments. Outpatient prescriptions were done via PS. And then came the complex LA/LR - Laboratory module. There was a big pow-wow - lots of training occurred Outpatient Pharmacy became PSO and it begat PSIV (IV Admnistration) and PSJ (Inpatient Medications) and others. Over the years VistA grew and added new modules and we all forgot how to start start from scratch. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 2:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS... Shaun, I'm with you. The documentation is terrible until you already have kind of figured out the subject. There needs to be some bridge documentation. I think our community(including you) will have to write this for the next guy... I think that those that have advanced in knowledge forget the challenges they had in the beginning, so they are not the best ones to write such bridge documentation. So, can you try to document what you figure out as you go along? I could put what you write up on my website. Someone set up a wikki that would be ideal for this...but no one seems to be adding to it. (URL on request) Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I must say that 99% of my frustrations come from the difficulty of > finding and reading the documentation. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS...
Shaun, I'm with you. The documentation is terrible until you already have kind of figured out the subject. There needs to be some bridge documentation. I think our community(including you) will have to write this for the next guy... I think that those that have advanced in knowledge forget the challenges they had in the beginning, so they are not the best ones to write such bridge documentation. So, can you try to document what you figure out as you go along? I could put what you write up on my website. Someone set up a wikki that would be ideal for this...but no one seems to be adding to it. (URL on request) Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I must say that 99% of my frustrations come from the > difficulty of > finding and reading the documentation. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS...
I have a full FTP site replication against the VA FTP server running weekly/daily (depending on my mood and activity). It allows easy searching of the Word Documents using XP's search tool. The PDFs can also be searched well with Reader 6 but the files have to be opened. Also Google is VERY handy here. Just use the text "site:va.gov search term" and your set. Add in "filetype:pdf" to get just the PDFs. Note the first few hits will be press releases or what not, just scan for the /vdl sub-site and your ok. /David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CS Wagner Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS... I must say that 99% of my frustrations come from the difficulty of finding and reading the documentation. For instance, I had no idea what the 'Add a User' command was when I started. The VA has a great volume of documentation online, but it is broken up by cryptic module names. I had to scan through each and every file on the site until I found something that looked like it might work. Luckily, Nancy sent me a document that had XUSERADD right at the top. Next, adding a patient... I don't know what module that would be in. I just want the command. After scanning a bunch (over 50) of possible docs, I found mention of DG ADD PATIENT. I tried that and it worked (of course, I still don't know what 10-10 Data is or how to add an outpatient). Side note: You cannot easily search PDF and Word documents online. It would be SO much nicer if all the documents were in HTML. I assume that the DG on DG ADD PATIENT means something to those who know the modules, but it means nothing to me because I haven't found a document that lists all the module names and what they do. I know that would be a huge list, but it could be made nicer by listing only the top 10 most used modules at the top. The same with the commands - a list of the top 20 most used commands (and what they do) would be nice. Because I am a software engineer, I recognize the problem too well. This is like trying to convert a Windows user Linux (sans GUI). They may have used DOS and they know that 'dir' will list a directory, but that won't help them figure out that it is 'ls' in Linux. Once they figure out a few commands, telling them to read the man page is a waste of time because the manual is written specifically for those who already know how to use Linux, not for those trying to figure it out. The popularity of Linux is directly related to the translation of the manuals from tech-speak to plain English. I think that Vista has the ability to become more popular as the manuals are translated from cryptic module groups with cryptic file names into plain English. Also, like Linux, there is the version-specific threat. A document about using Fedora may give wrong information to a Debian user, just like a document about VistA might give wrong information to an OpenVista user. -Shaun Kevin Toppenberg wrote: >Shaun, > >Well, my sympathies are with you. I don't know if it >will help, but I compiled the following top level >menus into a supermenu called "adam". It helped me >explore the menu options for registering patients, >having nurses add vitals etc. > >You will have to ignore the "just look at the menu names. You can create this menu >through the menu system (let me know if you need >further help in that direction) or you can enter the >data into the OPTIONS file directly. > >Good luck. > >EVE >EVE >1 >ORMGR >CPRS >OR OE/RR MENU CLINICIAN >DOC >MAG SYS MENU >IMG >XUKEYMGMT >KEY >OR OE/RR MENU NURSE >NURS >FBAA MAIN MENU >PHAR >DG REGISTRATION MENU >REG >TMG TEXT MENU >TEXT >TIU MAIN MENU >TRANSCRIPTION >TRAN >GMRVMGR >VITL >OR OE/RR MENU WARD CLERK >WARD >WVMENU >WO >YSMANAGER >YSM >ECTMGR >PX PCE CLINICIAN MENU > > > > >--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>I've actually been attempting to get Vista to a >>state where we can use >>it in production since last November. So, it is >>almost a year now. It >>took a very long time to get it installed properly >>because I didn't >>realize that M was picky about spacing and the >>commands kept failing. I >>then had a major headache getting CPRS to allow >>users to log in, but got >>that taken care of for all but one user. His last >>name is Nida. I set >>him up the same as everyone else and on the old >>install and the new one, >>he is the only one who cannot use CPRS. In the end, >>firewall issues >>with CPRS made me give up on that and I'm back to >>the basics - adding a >>patient, scheduling the patient, entering patient >>visit and lab data. >>As for contracting this to someone else, that isn't >>easily available. >>This is merely a grant study on setting up a >>distributed EMR system for >>rural clinics. There isn't much money in it. The >>choice of Vista came >>because so many of the
RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS...
Vista monographs are at http://www1.va.gov/vista_monograph/ Can you get to it from outside the VA? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beza, Fil Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS... At the same ftp site you obtain the CACHE.ZIP or Vista-GTM-ready.zip you will find namespaces.txt. It lists all those "namespaces". Also, when you go to the Packages folder, each package folder name has its namespace, thus you will see the first as Accounts Receivable - PRCA. It might also help if you had the VistA monographs - a publication that describes the various VistA Modules and what they do. I can't find it on the FOIA Ftp site but I'll keep searching. In the meantime, somebody else may know where to get it. Probable, the VistA Documentation Library. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CS Wagner Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS... I must say that 99% of my frustrations come from the difficulty of finding and reading the documentation. For instance, I had no idea what the 'Add a User' command was when I started. The VA has a great volume of documentation online, but it is broken up by cryptic module names. I had to scan through each and every file on the site until I found something that looked like it might work. Luckily, Nancy sent me a document that had XUSERADD right at the top. Next, adding a patient... I don't know what module that would be in. I just want the command. After scanning a bunch (over 50) of possible docs, I found mention of DG ADD PATIENT. I tried that and it worked (of course, I still don't know what 10-10 Data is or how to add an outpatient). Side note: You cannot easily search PDF and Word documents online. It would be SO much nicer if all the documents were in HTML. I assume that the DG on DG ADD PATIENT means something to those who know the modules, but it means nothing to me because I haven't found a document that lists all the module names and what they do. I know that would be a huge list, but it could be made nicer by listing only the top 10 most used modules at the top. The same with the commands - a list of the top 20 most used commands (and what they do) would be nice. Because I am a software engineer, I recognize the problem too well. This is like trying to convert a Windows user Linux (sans GUI). They may have used DOS and they know that 'dir' will list a directory, but that won't help them figure out that it is 'ls' in Linux. Once they figure out a few commands, telling them to read the man page is a waste of time because the manual is written specifically for those who already know how to use Linux, not for those trying to figure it out. The popularity of Linux is directly related to the translation of the manuals from tech-speak to plain English. I think that Vista has the ability to become more popular as the manuals are translated from cryptic module groups with cryptic file names into plain English. Also, like Linux, there is the version-specific threat. A document about using Fedora may give wrong information to a Debian user, just like a document about VistA might give wrong information to an OpenVista user. -Shaun Kevin Toppenberg wrote: >Shaun, > >Well, my sympathies are with you. I don't know if it will help, but I >compiled the following top level menus into a supermenu called "adam". >It helped me explore the menu options for registering patients, having >nurses add vitals etc. > >You will have to ignore the "menu names. You can create this menu through the menu system (let me >know if you need further help in that direction) or you can enter the >data into the OPTIONS file directly. > >Good luck. > >EVE >EVE >1 id="MENU/.01">ORMGR CPRS >OR OE/RR MENU CLINICIAN id="MENU/SYNONYM">DOC MAG SYS MENU >IMG id="MENU/.01">XUKEYMGMT KEY >OR OE/RR MENU NURSE id="MENU/SYNONYM">NURS FBAA MAIN >MENU PHAR id="MENU/.01">DG REGISTRATION MENU id="MENU/SYNONYM">REG TMG TEXT >MENU TEXT id="MENU/.01">TIU MAIN MENU TRANSCRIPTION id="MENU/SYNONYM">TRAN GMRVMGR >VITL OR OE/RR >MENU WARD CLERK WARD id="MENU/.01">WVMENU WO id="MENU/.01">YSMANAGER YSM >ECTMGR PX PCE >CLINICIAN MENU > > > > >--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>I've actually been attempting to get Vista to a state where we can use >>it in production since last November. So, it is almost a year now. >>It took a very long time to get it installed properly because I didn't >>realize that M was picky about spacing and the commands kept failing. >>I then had a major headache getting CPRS to allow users to log in, but >>got that taken care of for all but one user. His last name is Nida. >>I set him up the same as everyone else and on the old install and the >>new one, he is the only one
Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS...
I must say that 99% of my frustrations come from the difficulty of finding and reading the documentation. For instance, I had no idea what the 'Add a User' command was when I started. The VA has a great volume of documentation online, but it is broken up by cryptic module names. I had to scan through each and every file on the site until I found something that looked like it might work. Luckily, Nancy sent me a document that had XUSERADD right at the top. Next, adding a patient... I don't know what module that would be in. I just want the command. After scanning a bunch (over 50) of possible docs, I found mention of DG ADD PATIENT. I tried that and it worked (of course, I still don't know what 10-10 Data is or how to add an outpatient). Side note: You cannot easily search PDF and Word documents online. It would be SO much nicer if all the documents were in HTML. I assume that the DG on DG ADD PATIENT means something to those who know the modules, but it means nothing to me because I haven't found a document that lists all the module names and what they do. I know that would be a huge list, but it could be made nicer by listing only the top 10 most used modules at the top. The same with the commands - a list of the top 20 most used commands (and what they do) would be nice. Because I am a software engineer, I recognize the problem too well. This is like trying to convert a Windows user Linux (sans GUI). They may have used DOS and they know that 'dir' will list a directory, but that won't help them figure out that it is 'ls' in Linux. Once they figure out a few commands, telling them to read the man page is a waste of time because the manual is written specifically for those who already know how to use Linux, not for those trying to figure it out. The popularity of Linux is directly related to the translation of the manuals from tech-speak to plain English. I think that Vista has the ability to become more popular as the manuals are translated from cryptic module groups with cryptic file names into plain English. Also, like Linux, there is the version-specific threat. A document about using Fedora may give wrong information to a Debian user, just like a document about VistA might give wrong information to an OpenVista user. -Shaun Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Shaun, Well, my sympathies are with you. I don't know if it will help, but I compiled the following top level menus into a supermenu called "adam". It helped me explore the menu options for registering patients, having nurses add vitals etc. You will have to ignore the " Good luck. EVE EVE 1 ORMGR CPRS OR OE/RR MENU CLINICIAN DOC MAG SYS MENU IMG XUKEYMGMT KEY OR OE/RR MENU NURSE NURS FBAA MAIN MENU PHAR DG REGISTRATION MENU REG TMG TEXT MENU TEXT TIU MAIN MENU TRANSCRIPTION TRAN GMRVMGR VITL OR OE/RR MENU WARD CLERK WARD WVMENU WO YSMANAGER YSM ECTMGR PX PCE CLINICIAN MENU --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've actually been attempting to get Vista to a state where we can use it in production since last November. So, it is almost a year now. It took a very long time to get it installed properly because I didn't realize that M was picky about spacing and the commands kept failing. I then had a major headache getting CPRS to allow users to log in, but got that taken care of for all but one user. His last name is Nida. I set him up the same as everyone else and on the old install and the new one, he is the only one who cannot use CPRS. In the end, firewall issues with CPRS made me give up on that and I'm back to the basics - adding a patient, scheduling the patient, entering patient visit and lab data. As for contracting this to someone else, that isn't easily available. This is merely a grant study on setting up a distributed EMR system for rural clinics. There isn't much money in it. The choice of Vista came because so many of the people here work at the VA. -Shaun Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Shaun, It sounds like you are in the midst of doing a production installation. That is going to be difficult if you are learning the system as you go. Have you thought about contracting with one of the support companies to help with the installation, education etc. etc. process. I have been working with the system for 6-9 months now, and am just starting to get comfortable with the system. I wonder if you are biting off too much at one time. We'll help you as we can, but it takes time. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I will send you what I can this week. I currently know how to log in. I have until the end of the week to learn how to add clerks, nurses, and providers. Then, get the clerks to enter patients and schedule visits. Then, get the nurses and providers to enter data for those patients. I hope to be able to do all that in the next few days, bu
RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS...
No. Check out ftp://ftp.va.gov/vista/vistadocs/monograph/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beza, Fil Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 12:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS... Vista monographs are at http://www1.va.gov/vista_monograph/ Can you get to it from outside the VA? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beza, Fil Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS... At the same ftp site you obtain the CACHE.ZIP or Vista-GTM-ready.zip you will find namespaces.txt. It lists all those "namespaces". Also, when you go to the Packages folder, each package folder name has its namespace, thus you will see the first as Accounts Receivable - PRCA. It might also help if you had the VistA monographs - a publication that describes the various VistA Modules and what they do. I can't find it on the FOIA Ftp site but I'll keep searching. In the meantime, somebody else may know where to get it. Probable, the VistA Documentation Library. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CS Wagner Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS... I must say that 99% of my frustrations come from the difficulty of finding and reading the documentation. For instance, I had no idea what the 'Add a User' command was when I started. The VA has a great volume of documentation online, but it is broken up by cryptic module names. I had to scan through each and every file on the site until I found something that looked like it might work. Luckily, Nancy sent me a document that had XUSERADD right at the top. Next, adding a patient... I don't know what module that would be in. I just want the command. After scanning a bunch (over 50) of possible docs, I found mention of DG ADD PATIENT. I tried that and it worked (of course, I still don't know what 10-10 Data is or how to add an outpatient). Side note: You cannot easily search PDF and Word documents online. It would be SO much nicer if all the documents were in HTML. I assume that the DG on DG ADD PATIENT means something to those who know the modules, but it means nothing to me because I haven't found a document that lists all the module names and what they do. I know that would be a huge list, but it could be made nicer by listing only the top 10 most used modules at the top. The same with the commands - a list of the top 20 most used commands (and what they do) would be nice. Because I am a software engineer, I recognize the problem too well. This is like trying to convert a Windows user Linux (sans GUI). They may have used DOS and they know that 'dir' will list a directory, but that won't help them figure out that it is 'ls' in Linux. Once they figure out a few commands, telling them to read the man page is a waste of time because the manual is written specifically for those who already know how to use Linux, not for those trying to figure it out. The popularity of Linux is directly related to the translation of the manuals from tech-speak to plain English. I think that Vista has the ability to become more popular as the manuals are translated from cryptic module groups with cryptic file names into plain English. Also, like Linux, there is the version-specific threat. A document about using Fedora may give wrong information to a Debian user, just like a document about VistA might give wrong information to an OpenVista user. -Shaun Kevin Toppenberg wrote: >Shaun, > >Well, my sympathies are with you. I don't know if it will help, but I >compiled the following top level menus into a supermenu called "adam". >It helped me explore the menu options for registering patients, having >nurses add vitals etc. > >You will have to ignore the "menu names. You can create this menu through the menu system (let me >know if you need further help in that direction) or you can enter the >data into the OPTIONS file directly. > >Good luck. > >EVE >EVE >1 id="MENU/.01">ORMGR CPRS >OR OE/RR MENU CLINICIAN id="MENU/SYNONYM">DOC MAG SYS MENU >IMG id="MENU/.01">XUKEYMGMT KEY >OR OE/RR MENU NURSE id="MENU/SYNONYM">NURS FBAA MAIN >MENU PHAR id="MENU/.01">DG REGISTRATION MENU id="MENU/SYNONYM">REG TMG TEXT >MENU TEXT id="MENU/.01">TIU MAIN MENU TRANSCRIPTION id="MENU/SYNONYM">TRAN GMRVMGR >VITL OR OE/RR >MENU WARD CLERK WARD id="MENU/.01">WVMENU WO id="MENU/.01">YSMANAGER YSM >ECTMGR PX PCE >CLINICIAN MENU > > > > >--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>I've actually been attempting to get Vista to a state where we can use >>it in production since last November. So, it is almost a year now. >>It took a very long time to get it installed properly because I didn't >>realize that M was picky about spaci
RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS...
Yes...we still can..thanks :-) Joseph On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 14:10, Beza, Fil wrote: > Vista monographs are at http://www1.va.gov/vista_monograph/ > > Can you get to it from outside the VA? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beza, > Fil > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:50 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS... > > At the same ftp site you obtain the CACHE.ZIP or Vista-GTM-ready.zip you > will find namespaces.txt. It lists all those "namespaces". Also, when > you go to the Packages folder, each package folder name has its > namespace, thus you will see the first as Accounts Receivable - PRCA. > > It might also help if you had the VistA monographs - a publication that > describes the various VistA Modules and what they do. I can't find it > on the FOIA Ftp site but I'll keep searching. In the meantime, somebody > else may know where to get it. Probable, the VistA Documentation > Library. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CS > Wagner > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:26 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: Vista without CPRS... > > I must say that 99% of my frustrations come from the difficulty of > finding and reading the documentation. For instance, I had no idea what > the 'Add a User' command was when I started. The VA has a great volume > of documentation online, but it is broken up by cryptic module names. I > had to scan through each and every file on the site until I found > something that looked like it might work. Luckily, Nancy sent me a > document that had XUSERADD right at the top. Next, adding a patient... > > I don't know what module that would be in. I just want the command. > After scanning a bunch (over 50) of possible docs, I found mention of DG > ADD PATIENT. I tried that and it worked (of course, I still don't know > what 10-10 Data is or how to add an outpatient). > > Side note: You cannot easily search PDF and Word documents online. It > would be SO much nicer if all the documents were in HTML. > > I assume that the DG on DG ADD PATIENT means something to those who know > the modules, but it means nothing to me because I haven't found a > document that lists all the module names and what they do. I know that > would be a huge list, but it could be made nicer by listing only the top > 10 most used modules at the top. The same with the commands - a list of > the top 20 most used commands (and what they do) would be nice. > > Because I am a software engineer, I recognize the problem too well. > This is like trying to convert a Windows user Linux (sans GUI). They > may have used DOS and they know that 'dir' will list a directory, but > that won't help them figure out that it is 'ls' in Linux. Once they > figure out a few commands, telling them to read the man page is a waste > of time because the manual is written specifically for those who already > know how to use Linux, not for those trying to figure it out. The > popularity of Linux is directly related to the translation of the > manuals from tech-speak to plain English. I think that Vista has the > ability to become more popular as the manuals are translated from > cryptic module groups with cryptic file names into plain English. Also, > like Linux, there is the version-specific threat. A document about > using Fedora may give wrong information to a Debian user, just like a > document about VistA might give wrong information to an OpenVista user. > > -Shaun > > Kevin Toppenberg wrote: > > >Shaun, > > > >Well, my sympathies are with you. I don't know if it will help, but I > >compiled the following top level menus into a supermenu called "adam". > > >It helped me explore the menu options for registering patients, having > >nurses add vitals etc. > > > >You will have to ignore the " >menu names. You can create this menu through the menu system (let me > >know if you need further help in that direction) or you can enter the > >data into the OPTIONS file directly. > > > >Good luck. > > > >EVE > >EVE > >1 >id="MENU/.01">ORMGR CPRS > >OR OE/RR MENU CLINICIAN >id="MENU/SYNONYM">DOC MAG SYS MENU > > >IMG >id="MENU/.01">XUKEYMGMT KEY > >OR OE/RR MENU NURSE >id="MENU/SYNONYM">NURS FBAA MAIN > >MENU PHAR >id="MENU/.01">DG REGISTRATION MENU >id="MENU/SYNONYM">REG TMG TEXT > >MENU TEXT >id="MENU/.01">TIU MAIN MENU TRANSCRIPTION >id="MENU/SYNONYM">TRAN GMRVMGR > >VITL OR OE/RR > >MENU WARD CLERK WARD >id="MENU/.01">WVMENU WO > >id="MENU/.01">YSMANAGER YSM > >ECTMGR PX PCE > >CLINICIAN MENU > > > > > > > > > >--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >>I've actually been attempting to get Vista to a state where we can use > > >>it in production since last November. So, it is almost a year now. > >>It took a very long time to get it installed properly be
