Re: [H] Running 3 monitors in Windows XP Pro

[j maccraw]

There is also the 3870X2 from Asus which has quad DVI
ports though I know not if it 
suffers from the fan issues of other 3870x2's and then
there is the price.

James Maki wrote:
> Thanks for the response. It seems that multiple
video cards to drive
> multiple monitors is successful. 
> 
> After finally figuring out the correct search phrase
(PCI-E X16 x4
> bandwidth) I found several sites that discuss using
a pci-e x16 video card
> in a x16/x4 bandwidth slots. 
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> Jim Maki
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:59:02 -0700
>> "James Maki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> I searched and cannot find a definitive answer to
the question of 
>>> running 3 monitors in Windows XP Pro.
>> My internet PC is running two dual head cards. Both
Matrox; 
>> one AGP and one PCI.
> 
> 
> 


  

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Re: [H] DRM or DVD from Hell?

[j maccraw]

Autopatcher, yes it still exists after a fashion.

I'm still waiting to see what the fallout is with SP3
before I trust my systems to it.

Brian Weeden wrote:
> Actually there is another benefit to SP3.  If you've
ever had to to a clean
> SP3 install recently you'll find that you spend
quite a bit of time
> downloading hotfixes and security updates and
rebooting and downloading more
> updates.  Over 100 I think at the last count.
> 
> So SP3 rolls all those up into one and means if you
slipstream it into an XP
> install CD a much easier and faster install.
> 
> 
> Brian
> 
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:19 PM, FORC5
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> no bricks here please but it figures sp3 is more
about WGN then making the
>> product better, just like Vista.



  

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Re: [H] DRM or DVD from Hell?

[j maccraw]

Greg Sevart wrote:
> What DRM is included in SP3?
> 
> They changed the product activation model to allow
you to install without a
> key. That's a good move, since it lets you use it in
test/demo environments
> without a key.
> 
There's already versions of windows XP that work this
way for the right class of 
consumer like OEM's & Developers so NBD.

> They updated it to work with NAP (Network Access
Protection), allowing
> organizations to start using NAP to protect their
corporate networks without
> having to move all clients to Vista.
> 
> Kernel mode cryptographic functionality...I suppose
that other vendors could
> tap into this to strengthen their existing DRM, but
it really isn't
> something revolutionary.
> 
> They disabled many known activation cracks...boo
hoo, if you stole the OS,
> you deserve a brick, period.

I disagree, I think "stealing" XP is an act of protest
against a MS dominated market 
where you use it or loose out and thus are being price
gouged & made to pay to beta 
test MS mistakes. In fact I say the same about Apples
OS in that case a "frak you" to 
apple for forcing you into their limited and still
overprice hardware. Frankly if 
you're not asking MS for support what entitles them to
cash this late in the game anyway?

No I don't feel Parallels, WINE, Linux, or Unix BS are
completely the same as having 
real windows.

Personally I'll stick with XP since I know the version
I have will not frak me when I 
radically change my hardware, screw the EULA if I'm
destroying one box to rebuild it 
as a new system since it's still only one system.


> 
> 
> It's yet more FUD coming from people without a clue.
The "DRM" in Vista that
> most people claim to hate is the protected content
path for encrypted high
> definition video delivery (which by itself ONLY
comes into play if you are
> playing back protected content, ala HD-DVD/BRD).
It's so tightly integrated
> that MS would have had to backport the entire video
driver model to XP.
> That's an absolutely tremendous undertaking, and is
absolutely NOT a part of
> SP3. This bullshit probably came from the idiots who
claimed that MP3s would
> no longer play if you upgraded to Vista...pathetic.
I hate DRM as much as
> the next guy, maybe more, but let's try to separate
the facts from the BS,
> can we?

Have not read up on it but I don't want something that
can lock me out of my system & 
data if MS suddenly decides I'm a pirate, not the case
then NDB to me. Of course if 
it somehow limits or dictates how I view content,
limits my connectivity to content, 
or ladens my system down with invasive process that
too would be an issue for me.



  

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Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[Jeff Lane]

Ok, Greg, sounds good. Thanks for the info.

Jeff


Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [H] xp sp3 ?


Don't worry, it's final. The KB article itself just hasn't been updated yet
to reflect the final bits. Same thing happened for Vista SP1.

The TechNet version is the same.

WINDOWSXP-KB936929-SP3-X86-ENU.EXE   bb25707c919dd835a9d9706b5725af58

Greg

>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:59 PM
> To: The Hardware List
> Subject: Re: [H] xp sp3 ?
> 
> Darn,   I'll have to look into this more...
>  [ just did...]
> 
> When I D/L I get the file date and time from the info on the server.
> It says 4/26/2008 2:50PM  (I got it today, 4/29.)
> 2/3rds of the files in the archive are dated in 4/08 and lots are
> dated 4/13 and over half are 4/14/2008.
> Sounds like the whole thing was finished up in the last two weeks...
> 
> I don't want to sound like I don't believe you, but could you give
> me the link you used?Thanks,
> 
> Rick Glazier
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeff Lane"  Subject: Re: [H] xp sp3 ?
> 
> > The Knowledge Base says that KB number is the Release Candidate.

Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[Greg Sevart]

Don't worry, it's final. The KB article itself just hasn't been updated yet
to reflect the final bits. Same thing happened for Vista SP1.

The TechNet version is the same.

WINDOWSXP-KB936929-SP3-X86-ENU.EXE   bb25707c919dd835a9d9706b5725af58

Greg

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Glazier
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:59 PM
> To: The Hardware List
> Subject: Re: [H] xp sp3 ?
> 
> Darn,   I'll have to look into this more...
>  [ just did...]
> 
> When I D/L I get the file date and time from the info on the server.
> It says 4/26/2008 2:50PM  (I got it today, 4/29.)
> 2/3rds of the files in the archive are dated in 4/08 and lots are
> dated 4/13 and over half are 4/14/2008.
> Sounds like the whole thing was finished up in the last two weeks...
> 
> I don't want to sound like I don't believe you, but could you give
> me the link you used?Thanks,
> 
> Rick Glazier
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeff Lane"  Subject: Re: [H] xp sp3 ?
> 
> > The Knowledge Base says that KB number is the Release Candidate.

Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[Bryan Seitz]

I did a fresh install with a slipstreamed SP3 and my machine that saw 3.5G 
before only sees 2G now.
I tried /PAE and /3GB in boot.ini with no luck :(

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 04:26:43PM -0700, FORC5 wrote:
> thanks, after some more homework I do not think I will have a problem, not 
> running the suspect sw and will be a clean install.
> 
> I hope the sp does not change.
> fp
> 
> 
> 
> At 03:55 PM 4/29/2008, Bill Cohane Poked the stick with:
> >At 17:52 04/29/08, FORC5 wrote:
> >>looking for the dl at MS and can only find sp3 overview.
> >>anyone have a link ? and is tt final. Want to dl it separate for streaming. 
> >>When I goto live update they want to install the new wga and I say no.
> >>on a side note what was the dll causing the reboots ? I need more memory 8-)
> >
> >
> >I downloaded SP3 this morning from Microsoft at
> >
> >http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/software/svpk/2008/04/windowsxp-kb936929-sp3-x86-enu_c81472f7eeea2eca421e116cd4c03e2300ebfde4.exe
> >
> >I just checked and this link still works. (If this link gets broken, please 
> >recombine it.)
> >I don't know if it's the final final.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Bill
> 
> -- 
> Tallyho ! ]:8)
> Taglines below !
> --
> It doesn't help to curse the darkness.

-- 
 
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Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[Jeff Lane]

Sure. Here's the M$ Knowledge Base link.



Jeff


Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [H] xp sp3 ?


Darn,   I'll have to look into this more...
 [ just did...]

When I D/L I get the file date and time from the info on the server.
It says 4/26/2008 2:50PM  (I got it today, 4/29.)
2/3rds of the files in the archive are dated in 4/08 and lots are
dated 4/13 and over half are 4/14/2008.
Sounds like the whole thing was finished up in the last two weeks...

I don't want to sound like I don't believe you, but could you give
me the link you used?Thanks,

Rick Glazier

- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Lane"  Subject: Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

> The Knowledge Base says that KB number is the Release Candidate.

Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[Rick Glazier]

Darn,   I'll have to look into this more...
[ just did...]

When I D/L I get the file date and time from the info on the server.
It says 4/26/2008 2:50PM  (I got it today, 4/29.)
2/3rds of the files in the archive are dated in 4/08 and lots are
dated 4/13 and over half are 4/14/2008.
Sounds like the whole thing was finished up in the last two weeks...

I don't want to sound like I don't believe you, but could you give
me the link you used?Thanks,

   Rick Glazier

- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Lane"  Subject: Re: [H] xp sp3 ?



The Knowledge Base says that KB number is the Release Candidate.

Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[xtempore]

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:52:18 -0700
FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Windows XP SP3 TCP/IP Patcher
http://hwrms.com/blog/?p=17

-- 
Spontaneous

I started out with nothing and I still have most of it left

Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[Jeff Lane]

The Knowledge Base says that KB number is the Release Candidate.

Jeff


>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [H] xp sp3 ?


I got this from that link this morning:
build 5512  ---  MD5 for English Version:
BB25707C919DD835A9D9706B5725AF58
clipped:4c03e2300ebfde4.exe

- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Cohane"

> At 17:52 04/29/08, FORC5 wrote:
>>looking for the dl at MS and can only find sp3 overview.
>>anyone have a link ? and is tt final. Want to dl it separate for 
>>streaming. When I goto live update they want to install the new
>>wga and I say no.
>>on a side note what was the dll causing the reboots ? I need more memory 
>>8-)
>
>
> I downloaded SP3 this morning from Microsoft at
>
> http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/software/svpk/2008/04/windowsxp-kb936929-sp3-x86-enu_c81472f7eeea2eca421e116cd4c03e2300ebfde4.exe
>
> I just checked and this link still works. (If this link gets broken, 
> please recombine it.)
> I don't know if it's the final final.
>
> Regards,
> Bill
>

Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[FORC5]

thanks, after some more homework I do not think I will have a problem, not 
running the suspect sw and will be a clean install.

I hope the sp does not change.
fp



At 03:55 PM 4/29/2008, Bill Cohane Poked the stick with:
>At 17:52 04/29/08, FORC5 wrote:
>>looking for the dl at MS and can only find sp3 overview.
>>anyone have a link ? and is tt final. Want to dl it separate for streaming. 
>>When I goto live update they want to install the new wga and I say no.
>>on a side note what was the dll causing the reboots ? I need more memory 8-)
>
>
>I downloaded SP3 this morning from Microsoft at
>
>http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/software/svpk/2008/04/windowsxp-kb936929-sp3-x86-enu_c81472f7eeea2eca421e116cd4c03e2300ebfde4.exe
>
>I just checked and this link still works. (If this link gets broken, please 
>recombine it.)
>I don't know if it's the final final.
>
>Regards,
>Bill

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Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[Rick Glazier]

I got this from that link this morning:
build 5512  ---  MD5 for English Version:
BB25707C919DD835A9D9706B5725AF58
clipped:4c03e2300ebfde4.exe

- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Cohane"



At 17:52 04/29/08, FORC5 wrote:

looking for the dl at MS and can only find sp3 overview.
anyone have a link ? and is tt final. Want to dl it separate for streaming. When I goto live update they want to install the new 
wga and I say no.

on a side note what was the dll causing the reboots ? I need more memory 8-)



I downloaded SP3 this morning from Microsoft at

http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/software/svpk/2008/04/windowsxp-kb936929-sp3-x86-enu_c81472f7eeea2eca421e116cd4c03e2300ebfde4.exe

I just checked and this link still works. (If this link gets broken, please 
recombine it.)
I don't know if it's the final final.

Regards,
Bill

Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[Rick Glazier]

Didn't work here.
Posted on another list, appolgies to members of both.
xp-sp3-install fails.

Tried it on an older computer.

Legit, fully patched otherwise.
Runs fine. (Don't use it much.)

While the setup program is backing up my old files,
it goes to the c:\windows\system32 directory and can't find a file.
I open WinExplorer and there it sits... daxctle.ocx

Why do you suppose it can't find it?

I did all that before I heard they screwed it up...

 Rick Glazier


From: "JRS" > It's been delayed due to a last minute glitch, an incompatibility 
with an MS program..


http://www.news.com/8301-13860_3-9931343-56.html?tag=nl.e433

Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[Bill Cohane]

At 17:52 04/29/08, FORC5 wrote:

looking for the dl at MS and can only find sp3 overview.
anyone have a link ? and is tt final. Want to dl it separate for 
streaming. When I goto live update they want to install the new wga 
and I say no.
on a side note what was the dll causing the reboots ? I need more 
memory 8-)



I downloaded SP3 this morning from Microsoft at

http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/software/svpk/2008/04/windowsxp-kb936929-sp3-x86-enu_c81472f7eeea2eca421e116cd4c03e2300ebfde4.exe

I just checked and this link still works. (If this link gets broken, 
please recombine it.)

I don't know if it's the final final.

Regards,
Bill

Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[Bryan Seitz]

F that.

http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/software/svpk/2008/04/windowsxp-kb936929-sp3-x86-enu_c81472f7eeea2eca421e116cd4c03e2300ebfde4.exe


On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 05:22:00PM -0500, Greg Sevart wrote:
> And the same issue exists in Vista SP1. From what I've read real quick, it
> looks like the delay isn't to fix SP3, but rather to put filtering in place
> on MU/WU to prevent automatic deployment to those users running GP RMS. The
> SP itself will not be modified, it seems.
> 
> I very much doubt that the issue is anything more than what MS has indicated
> it is.
> 
> I deployed SP3 to 9 machines at work...they're fairly low end
> demo/presentation systems...no issues, but they don't do much beyond running
> IE, and it was a new, clean install.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 5:08 PM
> > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] xp sp3 ?
> > 
> > Yep just saw that.  Sort of fishy tho - that can only affect like what,
> > 10
> > users?  We'll see how long this lasts, more than a few days and
> > methinks
> > there was a deeper reason.
> > 
> > And here's a good link with more info on exactly what's in SP3:
> > 
> > http://lifehacker.com/385295/field-guide-to-windows-xp-sp3
> > 
> > 
> > Brian
> > 
> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:06 PM, JRS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > It's been delayed due to a last minute glitch, an incompatibility
> > with an
> > > MS program..
> > >
> > > http://www.news.com/8301-13860_3-9931343-56.html?tag=nl.e433
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Please remove **X** to reply...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Facts do not cease to exist just
> > > because they are ignored.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message 
> > > From: FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:52:18 PM
> > > Subject: [H] xp sp3 ?
> > >
> > > looking for the dl at MS and can only find sp3 overview.
> > >
> > > anyone have a link ? and is it final. Want to dl it separate for
> > > streaming. When I goto live update they want to install the new wga
> > and I
> > > say no.
> > >
> > > on a side note what was the dll causing the reboots ? I need more
> > memory
> > > 8-)
> > >
> > > fp
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tallyho ! ]:8)
> > > Taglines below !
> > > --
> > > Is it 'Flow Control' or 'wolF lortnoC'
> > >
> 

-- 
 
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Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[Greg Sevart]

And the same issue exists in Vista SP1. From what I've read real quick, it
looks like the delay isn't to fix SP3, but rather to put filtering in place
on MU/WU to prevent automatic deployment to those users running GP RMS. The
SP itself will not be modified, it seems.

I very much doubt that the issue is anything more than what MS has indicated
it is.

I deployed SP3 to 9 machines at work...they're fairly low end
demo/presentation systems...no issues, but they don't do much beyond running
IE, and it was a new, clean install.

Greg


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 5:08 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] xp sp3 ?
> 
> Yep just saw that.  Sort of fishy tho - that can only affect like what,
> 10
> users?  We'll see how long this lasts, more than a few days and
> methinks
> there was a deeper reason.
> 
> And here's a good link with more info on exactly what's in SP3:
> 
> http://lifehacker.com/385295/field-guide-to-windows-xp-sp3
> 
> 
> Brian
> 
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:06 PM, JRS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > It's been delayed due to a last minute glitch, an incompatibility
> with an
> > MS program..
> >
> > http://www.news.com/8301-13860_3-9931343-56.html?tag=nl.e433
> >
> >
> > --
> > JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Please remove **X** to reply...
> >
> >
> >
> > Facts do not cease to exist just
> > because they are ignored.
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message 
> > From: FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:52:18 PM
> > Subject: [H] xp sp3 ?
> >
> > looking for the dl at MS and can only find sp3 overview.
> >
> > anyone have a link ? and is it final. Want to dl it separate for
> > streaming. When I goto live update they want to install the new wga
> and I
> > say no.
> >
> > on a side note what was the dll causing the reboots ? I need more
> memory
> > 8-)
> >
> > fp
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tallyho ! ]:8)
> > Taglines below !
> > --
> > Is it 'Flow Control' or 'wolF lortnoC'
> >

Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[Brian Weeden]

Yep just saw that.  Sort of fishy tho - that can only affect like what, 10
users?  We'll see how long this lasts, more than a few days and methinks
there was a deeper reason.

And here's a good link with more info on exactly what's in SP3:

http://lifehacker.com/385295/field-guide-to-windows-xp-sp3


Brian

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:06 PM, JRS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's been delayed due to a last minute glitch, an incompatibility with an
> MS program..
>
> http://www.news.com/8301-13860_3-9931343-56.html?tag=nl.e433
>
>
> --
> JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Please remove **X** to reply...
>
>
>
> Facts do not cease to exist just
> because they are ignored.
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:52:18 PM
> Subject: [H] xp sp3 ?
>
> looking for the dl at MS and can only find sp3 overview.
>
> anyone have a link ? and is it final. Want to dl it separate for
> streaming. When I goto live update they want to install the new wga and I
> say no.
>
> on a side note what was the dll causing the reboots ? I need more memory
> 8-)
>
> fp
>
>
> --
> Tallyho ! ]:8)
> Taglines below !
> --
> Is it 'Flow Control' or 'wolF lortnoC'
>

Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[JRS]

It's been delayed due to a last minute glitch, an incompatibility with an MS 
program..

http://www.news.com/8301-13860_3-9931343-56.html?tag=nl.e433

 
-- 
JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please remove **X** to reply...



Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.



- Original Message 
From: FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:52:18 PM
Subject: [H] xp sp3 ?

looking for the dl at MS and can only find sp3 overview.

anyone have a link ? and is it final. Want to dl it separate for streaming. 
When I goto live update they want to install the new wga and I say no. 

on a side note what was the dll causing the reboots ? I need more memory 8-)

fp


-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
Is it 'Flow Control' or 'wolF lortnoC'

Re: [H] xp sp3 ?

[Brian Weeden]

They are going to push it out as an update to everyone so I would just hold
off until that happens.  Will probably be the easiest way.

Me, I'm holding off for a couple weeks.  Let others be the guinea pigs.


Brian

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 5:52 PM, FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> looking for the dl at MS and can only find sp3 overview.
>
> anyone have a link ? and is it final. Want to dl it separate for
> streaming. When I goto live update they want to install the new wga and I
> say no.
>
> on a side note what was the dll causing the reboots ? I need more memory
> 8-)
>
> fp
>
>
> --
> Tallyho ! ]:8)
> Taglines below !
> --
> Is it 'Flow Control' or 'wolF lortnoC'
>
>

[H] xp sp3 ?

[FORC5]

looking for the dl at MS and can only find sp3 overview.

anyone have a link ? and is it final. Want to dl it separate for streaming. 
When I goto live update they want to install the new wga and I say no. 

on a side note what was the dll causing the reboots ? I need more memory 8-)

fp


-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
Is it 'Flow Control' or 'wolF lortnoC'