[H] Question of solid state drives

2009-07-23 Thread Thane Sherrington
I was reading a review of the new Intel MLC drive, and he says The 
real strength of the Intel drives is in its random, small file, 
read/write performance. Here we see a 10% improvement in random read 
performance over the 1st gen drives, putting the new X25-M ahead of 
even the X25-E. Now there are obvious lifespan benefits you get from 
an SLC drive that the G2 can't match, but for a desktop user this 
thing is even better than the X25-E. 


I know nothing about SLC vs MLC - what does he mean buy obvious 
lifespan benefits?


T




Re: [H] Question of solid state drives

2009-07-23 Thread Jason.Tozer
SLC stores 1 bit of data per cell. MLC stores 4.

Because of this, the MLC silicon will degrade substantially faster than
the SLC drives do (around 10x).

This isn't a major issue for most people as defraging is 100% pointless
on an SSD and the firmwares use even wear algorithms to ensure all cells
are evenly worn down..you get about 10,000 writes per cell on MLC
drives, that will take a very long time to start causing issues.



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Subject: [H] Question of solid state drives

I was reading a review of the new Intel MLC drive, and he says The 
real strength of the Intel drives is in its random, small file, 
read/write performance. Here we see a 10% improvement in random read 
performance over the 1st gen drives, putting the new X25-M ahead of 
even the X25-E. Now there are obvious lifespan benefits you get from 
an SLC drive that the G2 can't match, but for a desktop user this 
thing is even better than the X25-E. 

I know nothing about SLC vs MLC - what does he mean buy obvious 
lifespan benefits?

T



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Re: [H] Question of solid state drives

2009-07-23 Thread Robert Martin Jr.
MLC drives are usually cheaper and easier to make, but with generally less 
performance than SLC and quite a bit less expensive. Anandtech has a couple 
good articles listing price/performance of the various SSD's. I'm using OCX 
Vertex (newer firmware) on 2 boxes and they are pretty fast and inexpensive. I 
also have 2 MLC drives (trancend  a generic) that are very slooow and have 
frequent pauses that commonly plagued the 1st gen SSDs.

lopaka


--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote:

From: Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com
Subject: [H] Question of solid state drives
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 3:20 AM

I was reading a review of the new Intel MLC drive, and he says The real 
strength of the Intel drives is in its random, small file, read/write 
performance. Here we see a 10% improvement in random read performance over the 
1st gen drives, putting the new X25-M ahead of even the X25-E. Now there are 
obvious lifespan benefits you get from an SLC drive that the G2 can't match, 
but for a desktop user this thing is even better than the X25-E. 

I know nothing about SLC vs MLC - what does he mean buy obvious lifespan 
benefits?

T




Re: [H] Question of solid state drives

2009-07-23 Thread James Boswell
The pauses are due to poor jmicron controller logic, nothing inherent to the
type of flash

-JB

On Jul 23, 2009 5:34 PM, Robert Martin Jr. lopa...@pacbell.net wrote:

MLC drives are usually cheaper and easier to make, but with generally less
performance than SLC and quite a bit less expensive. Anandtech has a couple
good articles listing price/performance of the various SSD's. I'm using OCX
Vertex (newer firmware) on 2 boxes and they are pretty fast and inexpensive.
I also have 2 MLC drives (trancend  a generic) that are very slooow and
have frequent pauses that commonly plagued the 1st gen SSDs.

lopaka


--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com
wrote:

From: Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com

Subject: [H] Question of solid state drives
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 3:20 AM

I was reading a review of the new Intel MLC drive, and he says The real
strength of the Intel driv...


Re: [H] Question of solid state drives

2009-07-23 Thread Robert Martin Jr.
Agreed, but the problem is there are no available fixes or flash updates to fix 
many of the older drives which are still being sold regularly. Best to know 
before buying.

lopaka

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, James Boswell torazch...@gmail.com wrote:

From: James Boswell torazch...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [H] Question of solid state drives
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 9:51 AM

The pauses are due to poor jmicron controller logic, nothing inherent to the
type of flash

-JB

On Jul 23, 2009 5:34 PM, Robert Martin Jr. lopa...@pacbell.net wrote:

MLC drives are usually cheaper and easier to make, but with generally less
performance than SLC and quite a bit less expensive. Anandtech has a couple
good articles listing price/performance of the various SSD's. I'm using OCX
Vertex (newer firmware) on 2 boxes and they are pretty fast and inexpensive.
I also have 2 MLC drives (trancend  a generic) that are very slooow and
have frequent pauses that commonly plagued the 1st gen SSDs.

lopaka


--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com
wrote:

From: Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com

Subject: [H] Question of solid state drives
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 3:20 AM

I was reading a review of the new Intel MLC drive, and he says The real
strength of the Intel driv...


[H] ATI Catalyst 9.7 is out

2009-07-23 Thread swzaske
/ATI Catalyst™ 9.7 – AMD’s first official unified Windows7 / Windows 
Vista Microsoft WHQL certified graphics driver for the Windows 7 RTM

/


[H] USB keyboard problem

2009-07-23 Thread Thane Sherrington
I've got a computer that boots up to XP and immediately comes up with 
the found new hardware wizard.  The problem is that it has a USB 
keyboard and mouse, and these don't work, and the drivers for these 
won't install because they are blocked by the found new hardware 
wizard that is for some other device (as far as I can tell.)  There 
are no PS2 ports, so I can't use that - any ideas?


T




Re: [H] USB keyboard problem

2009-07-23 Thread DSinc

Thane,
I do so want to read the answer to this one!
It addresses why I did not choose the m/b's suggested months ago that 
required USB.  I still use the old PS/2 interface...(P5Q3)

I know; slow, behind the times!
Thank you so much for this query.
Best,
Duncan


Thane Sherrington wrote:
I've got a computer that boots up to XP and immediately comes up with 
the found new hardware wizard.  The problem is that it has a USB 
keyboard and mouse, and these don't work, and the drivers for these 
won't install because they are blocked by the found new hardware wizard 
that is for some other device (as far as I can tell.)  There are no PS2 
ports, so I can't use that - any ideas?


T





Re: [H] Question of solid state drives

2009-07-23 Thread Greg Sevart
The Vertex drives are nice. We ordered 40 of the 120GB variants at work to
replace 7.2k mechanical drives in the laptops of our top customer-facing
employees. There aren't many times when you can do a hardware upgrade and
make people go Oh wow, holy sh** -- but the Vertex drives did just that.

With the 2nd gen Intel drives on 34nm NAND, and other manufacturers soon to
release 32nm NAND, I'm getting close to upgrading my Velociraptor.

Greg

 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
 boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr.
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:34 AM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] Question of solid state drives
 
 MLC drives are usually cheaper and easier to make, but with generally
 less performance than SLC and quite a bit less expensive. Anandtech has
 a couple good articles listing price/performance of the various SSD's.
 I'm using OCX Vertex (newer firmware) on 2 boxes and they are pretty
 fast and inexpensive. I also have 2 MLC drives (trancend  a generic)
 that are very slooow and have frequent pauses that commonly plagued the
 1st gen SSDs.
 
 lopaka
 





Re: [H] USB keyboard problem

2009-07-23 Thread Jamie Furtner
Try them in different ports - Windows should recognize them if they're 
plugged into the same ports that they were plugged into before. I've 
used this trick to get a USB wireless NIC to use its previously stored 
network credentials instead of having to re-enter them.


I don't know if setting USB legacy options in the BIOS will make any 
difference, as Windows takes over control of the USB controllers when it 
starts up. It might be worth taking a look for it just in case Windows 
is trying to load drivers for the USB controllers.


Jamie


DSinc wrote:

Thane,
I do so want to read the answer to this one!
It addresses why I did not choose the m/b's suggested months ago that 
required USB.  I still use the old PS/2 interface...(P5Q3)

I know; slow, behind the times!
Thank you so much for this query.
Best,
Duncan


Thane Sherrington wrote:
I've got a computer that boots up to XP and immediately comes up with 
the found new hardware wizard.  The problem is that it has a USB 
keyboard and mouse, and these don't work, and the drivers for these 
won't install because they are blocked by the found new hardware 
wizard that is for some other device (as far as I can tell.)  There 
are no PS2 ports, so I can't use that - any ideas?


T








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Re: [H] USB keyboard problem

2009-07-23 Thread Thane Sherrington

At 04:30 PM 23/07/2009, DSinc wrote:

Thane,
I do so want to read the answer to this one!
It addresses why I did not choose the m/b's suggested months ago 
that required USB.  I still use the old PS/2 interface...(P5Q3)

I know; slow, behind the times!
Thank you so much for this query.


Not at all.  PS2 is the best interface for the keyboard since it 
always works.  These USB-only Dells really suck, and this situation 
is a prime example why.


T 





Re: [H] USB keyboard problem

2009-07-23 Thread Greg Sevart
XP Pro? You could remote in, assuming the Windows firewall is either
disabled or has appropriate exceptions. Can even remotely enable it if
required, assuming the startup policy for remote registry hasn't been
altered. If it's Home, you could remotely deploy something like VNC or
DameWare's remote client, assuming you have the software and again, the
firewall isn't enabled.

 -Original Message-
 From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
 boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:01 PM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: [H] USB keyboard problem
 
 I've got a computer that boots up to XP and immediately comes up with
 the found new hardware wizard.  The problem is that it has a USB
 keyboard and mouse, and these don't work, and the drivers for these
 won't install because they are blocked by the found new hardware
 wizard that is for some other device (as far as I can tell.)  There
 are no PS2 ports, so I can't use that - any ideas?
 
 T
 





[H] AMD platform

2009-07-23 Thread Zulfiqar Naushad
Am looking to upgrade my aging Q6600 cpu. Looking to go to AMD. But I have been 
a bit out of touch with the AMD top end stuff. 

Should I do the upgrade now or wait for lynnfield?

Thanks for the advice. 


Re: [H] AMD platform

2009-07-23 Thread Jason Carson
 Am looking to upgrade my aging Q6600 cpu. Looking to go to AMD. But I have
 been a bit out of touch with the AMD top end stuff.

 Should I do the upgrade now or wait for lynnfield?

 Thanks for the advice.


I'm interested in knowing this too. My brother is considering updating his
system and doesn't know if he should upgrade now or wait.



Re: [H] AMD platform

2009-07-23 Thread swzaske
In both cases you'll have to upgrade your mobo and possibly RAM 
depending on the choice for DDR2/DDR3 for AMD and DDR3 for Intel. 
Frankly, the upcoming i5 platform is going to be faster than Phenom II 
but it's going to be immature and more expensive for quite some time. I 
suggest you see what's available from AMD now and read the hardware 
previews on Lynnfield. Personally, I'd go AMD and DDR2 at this time. 
Next year that will be a different story. Good luck!



Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:
Am looking to upgrade my aging Q6600 cpu. Looking to go to AMD. But I have been a bit out of touch with the AMD top end stuff. 


Should I do the upgrade now or wait for lynnfield?

Thanks for the advice.