Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ??
OK, thanks Greg, now I get it. I am sure I will be posting in a few days when my 2nd drive arrives and I try to get to work and everything goes to hell. w At 08:37 PM 4/4/2010, you wrote: It's likely that his partition offsets are not optimized, in which case substantial performance can be lost. It will certainly work, but you won't get the most performance out of the drives. While I don't mean to complicate matters further, I should also point out that being divisible by 4096 is really just a quick and dirty way to see if you're using the old outdated 63-sector offset or not. Vista and W7 use a 1MB (1,048,576 bytes) offset. A block on an SSD isn't necessarily 4KB--but 1MB is a multiple of whatever the block size actually is. Same for stripe size on striped RAID arrays--1MB should be a multiple of any stripe size option, so the default 1MB works very well. I can't believe anyone is still running Win2k. It was an awful operating system at release, let alone a decade later. I skipped directly from NT4 to XP because I never found 2K to be performant or reliable. The 1.4x Vertex firmware had two versions--1.40 that supported TRIM under W7, and 1.41 that included what OCZ called "garbage collection". It's basically an attempt by the controller's firmware to identify blocks that can be erased without operating system interaction, and then perform cleanup during periods of inactivity. It's imperfect, but better than nothing at all. At present, no RAID drivers are able to pass TRIM to RAID arrays, so garbage collection is the best you can hope for. Current drives, controllers, and firmware actually do a pretty good job at used block cleanup even without TRIM, but TRIM is still the ideal. The 1.50 firmware includes both TRIM and garbage collection in the same firmware. Greg > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:27 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ?? > > > Something of interest Greg... a friend wrote me that he is running > SSDs on his system, having replaced his 15K Cheetahs. He is running > Win 2k SP4 OS and he used an old Partition Magic 8 and Drive Image 7 > to create and backup the SSD. Isn't this exactly what you said not to > do? > > And how does the 1.5 firmware handle the old data without TRIM... is > this problamatic or does the firmware handle this? > w > > At 06:02 PM 4/4/2010, you wrote: > >The OCZ Vertex flashing procedure involves burning the updater ISO to > a disc > >and booting to it. You'll need to have your SATA ports in IDE or ATA > mode, > >not RAID or AHCI, for the flash to work. It should only take a second > or two > >to actually perform the update. > > > >Greg > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > > > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight > > > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:53 PM > > > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > > > Subject: Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ?? > > > > > > I should get the 2nd drive in a couple of days. BTW should I wait > > > until I have set up the RAID 0 before flashing to 1.5...or should I > > > just do the drives now in windows?Thanks for all the help Greg, > > > hopefully this will happen as planned! > > > w > > >
Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ??
It's likely that his partition offsets are not optimized, in which case substantial performance can be lost. It will certainly work, but you won't get the most performance out of the drives. While I don't mean to complicate matters further, I should also point out that being divisible by 4096 is really just a quick and dirty way to see if you're using the old outdated 63-sector offset or not. Vista and W7 use a 1MB (1,048,576 bytes) offset. A block on an SSD isn't necessarily 4KB--but 1MB is a multiple of whatever the block size actually is. Same for stripe size on striped RAID arrays--1MB should be a multiple of any stripe size option, so the default 1MB works very well. I can't believe anyone is still running Win2k. It was an awful operating system at release, let alone a decade later. I skipped directly from NT4 to XP because I never found 2K to be performant or reliable. The 1.4x Vertex firmware had two versions--1.40 that supported TRIM under W7, and 1.41 that included what OCZ called "garbage collection". It's basically an attempt by the controller's firmware to identify blocks that can be erased without operating system interaction, and then perform cleanup during periods of inactivity. It's imperfect, but better than nothing at all. At present, no RAID drivers are able to pass TRIM to RAID arrays, so garbage collection is the best you can hope for. Current drives, controllers, and firmware actually do a pretty good job at used block cleanup even without TRIM, but TRIM is still the ideal. The 1.50 firmware includes both TRIM and garbage collection in the same firmware. Greg > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:27 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ?? > > > Something of interest Greg... a friend wrote me that he is running > SSDs on his system, having replaced his 15K Cheetahs. He is running > Win 2k SP4 OS and he used an old Partition Magic 8 and Drive Image 7 > to create and backup the SSD. Isn't this exactly what you said not to > do? > > And how does the 1.5 firmware handle the old data without TRIM... is > this problamatic or does the firmware handle this? > w > > At 06:02 PM 4/4/2010, you wrote: > >The OCZ Vertex flashing procedure involves burning the updater ISO to > a disc > >and booting to it. You'll need to have your SATA ports in IDE or ATA > mode, > >not RAID or AHCI, for the flash to work. It should only take a second > or two > >to actually perform the update. > > > >Greg > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > > > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight > > > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:53 PM > > > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > > > Subject: Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ?? > > > > > > I should get the 2nd drive in a couple of days. BTW should I wait > > > until I have set up the RAID 0 before flashing to 1.5...or should I > > > just do the drives now in windows?Thanks for all the help Greg, > > > hopefully this will happen as planned! > > > w > > >
Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ??
Something of interest Greg... a friend wrote me that he is running SSDs on his system, having replaced his 15K Cheetahs. He is running Win 2k SP4 OS and he used an old Partition Magic 8 and Drive Image 7 to create and backup the SSD. Isn't this exactly what you said not to do? And how does the 1.5 firmware handle the old data without TRIM... is this problamatic or does the firmware handle this? w At 06:02 PM 4/4/2010, you wrote: The OCZ Vertex flashing procedure involves burning the updater ISO to a disc and booting to it. You'll need to have your SATA ports in IDE or ATA mode, not RAID or AHCI, for the flash to work. It should only take a second or two to actually perform the update. Greg > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:53 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ?? > > I should get the 2nd drive in a couple of days. BTW should I wait > until I have set up the RAID 0 before flashing to 1.5...or should I > just do the drives now in windows?Thanks for all the help Greg, > hopefully this will happen as planned! > w >
Re: [H] iPad
I've had Windows pop up a message using that my WD Passport wouldn't work in a USB port since it required too much power. I moved it to a "native" port and it worked fine. On 4/4/2010 9:02 PM, Scott Sipe wrote: So does it charge on a PC if the USB can handle it? Scott On Apr 4, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: The problem is that the iPad battery is so powerful that it needs more current to charge than most other devices. Not all USB ports are designed to provide that much power. So AFAIK it's not some dastardly plot by apple. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2010-04-04, at 5:05 PM, "Hunter, Gary" wrote: I got the 64GB wifi version the 3G version is not out yet. It feels very tactile, It's a great multimedia device. The games are good as well. Need For Speed was very impressive. The big downside is it won't charge on a PC USB socket. It needs a Mac or use the wall charger !!! That has pissed me off more than anything. Everything else is great. My wife who is not normally a gadget person can't put it down :) I can see a need for a 4G version with a camera. Hopefully that will be out before chrstimas. Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:32 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] iPad How does it feel in your hand? Also, which version did you get? On 4/3/2010 9:28 PM, Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, So who else got their iPad today? What are the must have apps and the ones to avoid? I am impressed so far. The battery life is very good. I am still not below 70% left with 4 hours solid use. Yes it might just be a big iPod touch but I travel a lot and using this as an entertainment system on the plane will be nice. At the moment I have been using my Motorola Milestone and the bigger screen will be great. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.800 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2791 - Release Date: 04/04/10 14:32:00
Re: [H] iPad
So does it charge on a PC if the USB can handle it? Scott On Apr 4, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Brian Weeden wrote: > The problem is that the iPad battery is so powerful that it needs more > current to charge than most other devices. Not all USB ports are designed to > provide that much power. > > So AFAIK it's not some dastardly plot by apple. > > --- > Brian > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2010-04-04, at 5:05 PM, "Hunter, Gary" wrote: > >> I got the 64GB wifi version the 3G version is not out yet. >> >> It feels very tactile, It's a great multimedia device. The games are good as >> well. Need For Speed was very impressive. >> >> The big downside is it won't charge on a PC USB socket. It needs a Mac or >> use the wall charger !!! That has pissed me off more than anything. >> Everything else is great. My wife who is not normally a gadget person can't >> put it down :) >> >> I can see a need for a 4G version with a camera. Hopefully that will be out >> before chrstimas. >> >> Gary Hunter >> Consulting Engineer >> Travelport GDS >> T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 >> M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 >> E: gary.hun...@travelport.com >> SITA: HDQOK1G >> Travelport Product Development Center >> 6901 S Havana St >> Centennial, CO 80112 >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com >> [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin >> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:32 AM >> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com >> Subject: Re: [H] iPad >> >> How does it feel in your hand? Also, which version did you get? >> >> On 4/3/2010 9:28 PM, Hunter, Gary wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> So who else got their iPad today? >>> >>> What are the must have apps and the ones to avoid? >>> >>> I am impressed so far. The battery life is very good. I am still not >>> below 70% left with 4 hours solid use. >>> >>> Yes it might just be a big iPod touch but I travel a lot and using this >>> as an entertainment system on the plane will be nice. At the moment I >>> have been using my Motorola Milestone and the bigger screen will be >>> great. >>> >> If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify >> the sender >> and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any >> attachments >> were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of >> malicious code. >> This message and its attachments could have been infected during >> transmission. The >> recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so >> doing, the >> recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take >> protective >> and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable >> for any >> loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments. >> >>
Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ??
The OCZ Vertex flashing procedure involves burning the updater ISO to a disc and booting to it. You'll need to have your SATA ports in IDE or ATA mode, not RAID or AHCI, for the flash to work. It should only take a second or two to actually perform the update. Greg > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:53 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ?? > > I should get the 2nd drive in a couple of days. BTW should I wait > until I have set up the RAID 0 before flashing to 1.5...or should I > just do the drives now in windows?Thanks for all the help Greg, > hopefully this will happen as planned! > w >
Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ??
I should get the 2nd drive in a couple of days. BTW should I wait until I have set up the RAID 0 before flashing to 1.5...or should I just do the drives now in windows?Thanks for all the help Greg, hopefully this will happen as planned! w At 05:10 PM 4/4/2010, you wrote: WD's Advanced Format drives are extremely new--they've only been on the market for a few months. They all have a big warning on them telling the buyer what to do for different operating systems for optimal performance. I also believe that the technology is currently only on the Caviar Green series drives that have a model number that ends in EARS, and their latest (as in, announced 4 days ago) Scorpio laptop drives. I should also note that it isn't the 4K sectors that can create a problem, it's the 512-byte emulation on top of it that can create issues for obsolete operating systems and tools that use obsolete offsets (which, incidentally, obsolete operating systems are also the reason they have the emulation...) Greg > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:43 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ?? > > > >Single magnetic drives aren't affected by this offset issue--only > SSDs, or > >any magnetic drive that uses the new 4096-byte sectors but uses 512- > byte > >emulation for legacy systems, like the newest WD drives that feature > what > >they market as "Advanced Format technology". > > but not my 18 month old Raptor... how can you tell other then knowing > what you bought? >
Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ??
WD's Advanced Format drives are extremely new--they've only been on the market for a few months. They all have a big warning on them telling the buyer what to do for different operating systems for optimal performance. I also believe that the technology is currently only on the Caviar Green series drives that have a model number that ends in EARS, and their latest (as in, announced 4 days ago) Scorpio laptop drives. I should also note that it isn't the 4K sectors that can create a problem, it's the 512-byte emulation on top of it that can create issues for obsolete operating systems and tools that use obsolete offsets (which, incidentally, obsolete operating systems are also the reason they have the emulation...) Greg > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:43 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ?? > > > >Single magnetic drives aren't affected by this offset issue--only > SSDs, or > >any magnetic drive that uses the new 4096-byte sectors but uses 512- > byte > >emulation for legacy systems, like the newest WD drives that feature > what > >they market as "Advanced Format technology". > > but not my 18 month old Raptor... how can you tell other then knowing > what you bought? >
Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ??
Single magnetic drives aren't affected by this offset issue--only SSDs, or any magnetic drive that uses the new 4096-byte sectors but uses 512-byte emulation for legacy systems, like the newest WD drives that feature what they market as "Advanced Format technology". but not my 18 month old Raptor... how can you tell other then knowing what you bought? Striped arrays are also impacted, even with magnetic drives, but for a different technical reason. Make sure you're dividing by 4096, not 4024 like in your example. I don't know where I got that from ... but I did it right on the SSD though w > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 3:44 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ?? > > OK, Greg, now that I have had some sleep I read over this again. I > checked my drives and my SSD offset is indeed evenly divisible by > 4096. I have ordered the second SSD and will flash them both to 1.5 > then I will RAID 0, format with Windows 7 install, Restore with > Acronis at VOLUME setting and set the BIOS to boot from the RAID, > remove or hide the old primary active partition. and boot to windows. > > Will Acronis set the new RAID 0 to active when it restores at VOLUME > ? Or will Windows do this when preparing for install. If not, how do > I accomplish this without using DOS tools or partitioning software. > > I also checked my other magnetic hard drives and they are not evenly > divisible by 4096. For example, my boot drive is a primary active > partition of 50GB on a 300GB Raptor. There are three other logicals of > D my old Vista = 40GB > E Programs = 92.8 > F the rest > > The primary active partition has an offset of 53924935680 /4024 = > 13400828.95 > > The other magnetic drive partitions also do not come out even. Does > that mean they are all seriously performance degraded? My only > solution being to wipe them and reparation with Windows 7 Drive > Manager? > > thanks > w > > > At 11:28 PM 4/3/2010, you wrote: > >Which SSD? > > > >Your process appears mostly correct, but you do need to consider > alignment. > >Acronis, like versions of Windows prior to Vista, uses a 63-sector > offset > >when creating partitions. That works well and good when you have a > magnetic > >drive with 512-byte sectors as the absolute unit of drive interaction, > but > >is very bad when you use a SSD or one of the new WD > >4K-sector-with-512b-emulation drives. Without going into a great > amount of > >detail, you want your partitions to be aligned to a multiple of 4096 > bytes > >(4K), rather than the 63 sectors x 512 bytes = 31.5K that Windows XP > and > >earlier and Acronis use. Otherwise, you can drastically reduce > performance > >of the drive. > > > >Acronis actually maintains alignment in a few unique circumstances, > but > >usually it resets the partitions to use its outdated standard. The > best way > >to ensure your alignment is correct is to use Windows Vista or Windows > 7 to > >create your actual partitions on the drive, and then use Acronis in > volume > >(as opposed to whole-disk) mode and restore your backup's data into > those > >volumes. You can also use the Vista/W7 installation media to do this-- > simply > >boot to the disc or USB drive, and continue with the installation to > the > >disk management page. Create your partitions here and you will be > properly > >aligned. Close the installer at this screen after creating your > >partitions--if you click next, it will go ahead and install Windows. > > > >To check your alignment, run msinfo32.exe. > >Components, Storage, Disks. The Partition Starting Offset (in bytes) > for > >each partition on your boot drive should be evenly divisible by 4096. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > > > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight > > > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 6:59 PM > > > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > > > Subject: [H] OS on RAID 0 ?? > > > > > > I have very little experience with RAID as I never found it useful > > > for my needs. But now I do think I have a use for it. > > > > > > Last Dec I picked up a 30GB SSD for 100 bucks, mostly just to play > > > around with it, as 30GB isn't big enough for windows 7 OS. I have > my > > > pagefile on it and I will run whatever game I am playing for faster > > > load times. It is OK, although I haven't had the spectacular > > > experience that I have read about from others. The biggest thing > that > > > I noticed is that I was able to tell VMWare to swap out all the > > > memory and use as little physical memory as possible, which freed > up > > > lots of physical RAM and VM performance actually improved. > > > > > > Today I see my exact SSD on sale and I am thinking about buying it > > > and then RAID 0 with the existing one which should now be big > enough > > > = 6
Re: [H] iPad
Hehe, even with the "new spec" for charging the iPad exceeds the spec by 1W. Leave it to apple to frak with things! +1 for putting it out, +2 to who ever refines it & is not apple! 1984? Naw, 2008, the year that Mac became the next True Blue PC forcing the market back to a single hardware vendor. On 4/4/2010 4:22 PM, Hunter, Gary wrote: You are correct, but they could of added a cable that plugs into two USB ports to pull more power! Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 4:33 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Cc: Subject: Re: [H] iPad The problem is that the iPad battery is so powerful that it needs more current to charge than most other devices. Not all USB ports are designed to provide that much power. So AFAIK it's not some dastardly plot by apple. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] iPad
You are correct, but they could of added a cable that plugs into two USB ports to pull more power! Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 4:33 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Cc: Subject: Re: [H] iPad The problem is that the iPad battery is so powerful that it needs more current to charge than most other devices. Not all USB ports are designed to provide that much power. So AFAIK it's not some dastardly plot by apple. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] iPad
The problem is that the iPad battery is so powerful that it needs more current to charge than most other devices. Not all USB ports are designed to provide that much power. So AFAIK it's not some dastardly plot by apple. --- Brian Sent from my iPhone On 2010-04-04, at 5:05 PM, "Hunter, Gary" wrote: I got the 64GB wifi version the 3G version is not out yet. It feels very tactile, It's a great multimedia device. The games are good as well. Need For Speed was very impressive. The big downside is it won't charge on a PC USB socket. It needs a Mac or use the wall charger !!! That has pissed me off more than anything. Everything else is great. My wife who is not normally a gadget person can't put it down :) I can see a need for a 4G version with a camera. Hopefully that will be out before chrstimas. Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:32 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] iPad How does it feel in your hand? Also, which version did you get? On 4/3/2010 9:28 PM, Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, So who else got their iPad today? What are the must have apps and the ones to avoid? I am impressed so far. The battery life is very good. I am still not below 70% left with 4 hours solid use. Yes it might just be a big iPod touch but I travel a lot and using this as an entertainment system on the plane will be nice. At the moment I have been using my Motorola Milestone and the bigger screen will be great. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ??
Shouldn't need to worry about setting active. The W7 installer will handle that when you create the partitions. With Acronis in volume mode, you should just map the MBR from the archive to your RAID0 disk, then you'll map each volume (partition) from the backup that you want to restore to an existing volume created on the RAID0 array by the W7 installer. Single magnetic drives aren't affected by this offset issue--only SSDs, or any magnetic drive that uses the new 4096-byte sectors but uses 512-byte emulation for legacy systems, like the newest WD drives that feature what they market as "Advanced Format technology". Striped arrays are also impacted, even with magnetic drives, but for a different technical reason. Make sure you're dividing by 4096, not 4024 like in your example. > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 3:44 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ?? > > OK, Greg, now that I have had some sleep I read over this again. I > checked my drives and my SSD offset is indeed evenly divisible by > 4096. I have ordered the second SSD and will flash them both to 1.5 > then I will RAID 0, format with Windows 7 install, Restore with > Acronis at VOLUME setting and set the BIOS to boot from the RAID, > remove or hide the old primary active partition. and boot to windows. > > Will Acronis set the new RAID 0 to active when it restores at VOLUME > ? Or will Windows do this when preparing for install. If not, how do > I accomplish this without using DOS tools or partitioning software. > > I also checked my other magnetic hard drives and they are not evenly > divisible by 4096. For example, my boot drive is a primary active > partition of 50GB on a 300GB Raptor. There are three other logicals of > D my old Vista = 40GB > E Programs = 92.8 > F the rest > > The primary active partition has an offset of 53924935680 /4024 = > 13400828.95 > > The other magnetic drive partitions also do not come out even. Does > that mean they are all seriously performance degraded? My only > solution being to wipe them and reparation with Windows 7 Drive > Manager? > > thanks > w > > > At 11:28 PM 4/3/2010, you wrote: > >Which SSD? > > > >Your process appears mostly correct, but you do need to consider > alignment. > >Acronis, like versions of Windows prior to Vista, uses a 63-sector > offset > >when creating partitions. That works well and good when you have a > magnetic > >drive with 512-byte sectors as the absolute unit of drive interaction, > but > >is very bad when you use a SSD or one of the new WD > >4K-sector-with-512b-emulation drives. Without going into a great > amount of > >detail, you want your partitions to be aligned to a multiple of 4096 > bytes > >(4K), rather than the 63 sectors x 512 bytes = 31.5K that Windows XP > and > >earlier and Acronis use. Otherwise, you can drastically reduce > performance > >of the drive. > > > >Acronis actually maintains alignment in a few unique circumstances, > but > >usually it resets the partitions to use its outdated standard. The > best way > >to ensure your alignment is correct is to use Windows Vista or Windows > 7 to > >create your actual partitions on the drive, and then use Acronis in > volume > >(as opposed to whole-disk) mode and restore your backup's data into > those > >volumes. You can also use the Vista/W7 installation media to do this-- > simply > >boot to the disc or USB drive, and continue with the installation to > the > >disk management page. Create your partitions here and you will be > properly > >aligned. Close the installer at this screen after creating your > >partitions--if you click next, it will go ahead and install Windows. > > > >To check your alignment, run msinfo32.exe. > >Components, Storage, Disks. The Partition Starting Offset (in bytes) > for > >each partition on your boot drive should be evenly divisible by 4096. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > > > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight > > > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 6:59 PM > > > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > > > Subject: [H] OS on RAID 0 ?? > > > > > > I have very little experience with RAID as I never found it useful > > > for my needs. But now I do think I have a use for it. > > > > > > Last Dec I picked up a 30GB SSD for 100 bucks, mostly just to play > > > around with it, as 30GB isn't big enough for windows 7 OS. I have > my > > > pagefile on it and I will run whatever game I am playing for faster > > > load times. It is OK, although I haven't had the spectacular > > > experience that I have read about from others. The biggest thing > that > > > I noticed is that I was able to tell VMWare to swap out all the > > > memory and use as little physical memory as possible, which freed > up > > > lots of physical RAM and VM performan
Re: [H] iPad
I got the 64GB wifi version the 3G version is not out yet. It feels very tactile, It's a great multimedia device. The games are good as well. Need For Speed was very impressive. The big downside is it won't charge on a PC USB socket. It needs a Mac or use the wall charger !!! That has pissed me off more than anything. Everything else is great. My wife who is not normally a gadget person can't put it down :) I can see a need for a 4G version with a camera. Hopefully that will be out before chrstimas. Gary Hunter Consulting Engineer Travelport GDS T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 E: gary.hun...@travelport.com SITA: HDQOK1G Travelport Product Development Center 6901 S Havana St Centennial, CO 80112 -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:32 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] iPad How does it feel in your hand? Also, which version did you get? On 4/3/2010 9:28 PM, Hunter, Gary wrote: > Hi, > > So who else got their iPad today? > > What are the must have apps and the ones to avoid? > > I am impressed so far. The battery life is very good. I am still not > below 70% left with 4 hours solid use. > > Yes it might just be a big iPod touch but I travel a lot and using this > as an entertainment system on the plane will be nice. At the moment I > have been using my Motorola Milestone and the bigger screen will be > great. > If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its attachments.
Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ??
OK, Greg, now that I have had some sleep I read over this again. I checked my drives and my SSD offset is indeed evenly divisible by 4096. I have ordered the second SSD and will flash them both to 1.5 then I will RAID 0, format with Windows 7 install, Restore with Acronis at VOLUME setting and set the BIOS to boot from the RAID, remove or hide the old primary active partition. and boot to windows. Will Acronis set the new RAID 0 to active when it restores at VOLUME ? Or will Windows do this when preparing for install. If not, how do I accomplish this without using DOS tools or partitioning software. I also checked my other magnetic hard drives and they are not evenly divisible by 4096. For example, my boot drive is a primary active partition of 50GB on a 300GB Raptor. There are three other logicals of D my old Vista = 40GB E Programs = 92.8 F the rest The primary active partition has an offset of 53924935680 /4024 = 13400828.95 The other magnetic drive partitions also do not come out even. Does that mean they are all seriously performance degraded? My only solution being to wipe them and reparation with Windows 7 Drive Manager? thanks w At 11:28 PM 4/3/2010, you wrote: Which SSD? Your process appears mostly correct, but you do need to consider alignment. Acronis, like versions of Windows prior to Vista, uses a 63-sector offset when creating partitions. That works well and good when you have a magnetic drive with 512-byte sectors as the absolute unit of drive interaction, but is very bad when you use a SSD or one of the new WD 4K-sector-with-512b-emulation drives. Without going into a great amount of detail, you want your partitions to be aligned to a multiple of 4096 bytes (4K), rather than the 63 sectors x 512 bytes = 31.5K that Windows XP and earlier and Acronis use. Otherwise, you can drastically reduce performance of the drive. Acronis actually maintains alignment in a few unique circumstances, but usually it resets the partitions to use its outdated standard. The best way to ensure your alignment is correct is to use Windows Vista or Windows 7 to create your actual partitions on the drive, and then use Acronis in volume (as opposed to whole-disk) mode and restore your backup's data into those volumes. You can also use the Vista/W7 installation media to do this--simply boot to the disc or USB drive, and continue with the installation to the disk management page. Create your partitions here and you will be properly aligned. Close the installer at this screen after creating your partitions--if you click next, it will go ahead and install Windows. To check your alignment, run msinfo32.exe. Components, Storage, Disks. The Partition Starting Offset (in bytes) for each partition on your boot drive should be evenly divisible by 4096. > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 6:59 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: [H] OS on RAID 0 ?? > > I have very little experience with RAID as I never found it useful > for my needs. But now I do think I have a use for it. > > Last Dec I picked up a 30GB SSD for 100 bucks, mostly just to play > around with it, as 30GB isn't big enough for windows 7 OS. I have my > pagefile on it and I will run whatever game I am playing for faster > load times. It is OK, although I haven't had the spectacular > experience that I have read about from others. The biggest thing that > I noticed is that I was able to tell VMWare to swap out all the > memory and use as little physical memory as possible, which freed up > lots of physical RAM and VM performance actually improved. > > Today I see my exact SSD on sale and I am thinking about buying it > and then RAID 0 with the existing one which should now be big enough > = 60GB to run windows 7 from. Right now I have a Raptor, with one > primary active as the Win7 system drive, and then three logicals for > various other things. All other drives are partitioned as one big > logical. I have one more SATA port available to put the SSD on. > > First I would use Acronis to backup the existing active primary with > Win7 on it. > > Then I would have to set up the RAID 0 with the two identical SSDs. > > At that point I could delete the active primary partition on the > Raptor, and set the bios up to boot from the RAID 0 SSDs > > Restore the system to the SSD > > And then boot up into windows 7. > > Do I have the process right? Would this work ? It is not a > problamatic setup is it? Can I have the OS and boot drive entirely on a > RAID 0. > > thanks > > w
Re: [H] iPad
The WiFi is the only model available now-3G comes out later this month. Apple might've sold 700,000 of them this weekend: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=am73cOKlv68s BINO -- My Thought for the Day - Expecting life to treat you well because you are a good person is like expecting an angry bull not to charge because you are a vegetarian. > Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 08:32:28 -0400 > From: amar...@charter.net > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] iPad > > How does it feel in your hand? Also, which version did you get? > > On 4/3/2010 9:28 PM, Hunter, Gary wrote: > > Hi, > > > > So who else got their iPad today? > > > > What are the must have apps and the ones to avoid? > > > > I am impressed so far. The battery life is very good. I am still not > > below 70% left with 4 hours solid use. > > > > Yes it might just be a big iPod touch but I travel a lot and using this > > as an entertainment system on the plane will be nice. At the moment I > > have been using my Motorola Milestone and the bigger screen will be > > great. > >
Re: [H] iPad
How does it feel in your hand? Also, which version did you get? On 4/3/2010 9:28 PM, Hunter, Gary wrote: Hi, So who else got their iPad today? What are the must have apps and the ones to avoid? I am impressed so far. The battery life is very good. I am still not below 70% left with 4 hours solid use. Yes it might just be a big iPod touch but I travel a lot and using this as an entertainment system on the plane will be nice. At the moment I have been using my Motorola Milestone and the bigger screen will be great.
Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ??
You can go directly from 1.40 or 1.41 to 1.5. You just can't go directly from 1.3 or earlier to 1.5. > -Original Message- > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- > boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 3:03 AM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ?? > > I just checked.. mine is version 1.4 now, so I guess I will wait > until I am ready to do the RAID 0 before I flash to 1.4.1 and then to > 1.5 ...right? >
Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ??
I just checked.. mine is version 1.4 now, so I guess I will wait until I am ready to do the RAID 0 before I flash to 1.4.1 and then to 1.5 ...right? At 12:57 AM 4/4/2010, you wrote: At 12:08 AM 4/4/2010, you wrote: > At 11:28 PM 4/3/2010, you wrote: > >Which SSD? > > OCZ Vertex Series OCZSSD2-1VTX30GXXX 2.5" 30GB SATA II MLC Internal > Solid State Drive Ok, that's a decent one. Not my current favorite, but a decent one. Make sure that you upgrade it to 1.41 firmware or better before you do this. I'd suggest 1.40, but you can't use TRIM in RAID mode, so you want the version with built-in garbage collection. That's 1.41. You can then upgrade to 1.50. OK, thanks for the help. I see the firmware, I will go ahead and order the second drive and then give it a try. m > > > >Y > >boot to the disc or USB drive, and continue with the installation to > the > >disk management page. Create your partitions here and you will be > properly > >aligned. Close the installer at this screen after creating your > >partitions--if you click next, it will go ahead and install Windows. > > but then I would have to do a new install right? and I just want > to keep my current windows 7. > No. You're just using the Windows installer to create the partitions on your new R0 with the correct offsets. Don't actually perform the install. Once the partitions are created, cancel the Windows installer and restore from your Acronis backup in VOLUME mode. (I use the B/R 10 version, and don't know/remember what other editions/versions call it). > I guess I could temporarily install vista on the D partition > logical... then create the RAID 0, boot into Vista, create the > partition with Vista, and then just copy the files from the existing > primary partition to the new RAID-0 then use Paragon Partition > software to mark the RAID 0 active, change the boot drive in the BIOS > and boot off the windows 7 DVD to restore the boot sector... whew a > big hassle > > you sure I can't just boot off the Acronis 2010 rescue CD and restore > the image file? Maybe I should ask Acronis.
Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ??
At 12:08 AM 4/4/2010, you wrote: > At 11:28 PM 4/3/2010, you wrote: > >Which SSD? > > OCZ Vertex Series OCZSSD2-1VTX30GXXX 2.5" 30GB SATA II MLC Internal > Solid State Drive Ok, that's a decent one. Not my current favorite, but a decent one. Make sure that you upgrade it to 1.41 firmware or better before you do this. I'd suggest 1.40, but you can't use TRIM in RAID mode, so you want the version with built-in garbage collection. That's 1.41. You can then upgrade to 1.50. OK, thanks for the help. I see the firmware, I will go ahead and order the second drive and then give it a try. m > > > >Y > >boot to the disc or USB drive, and continue with the installation to > the > >disk management page. Create your partitions here and you will be > properly > >aligned. Close the installer at this screen after creating your > >partitions--if you click next, it will go ahead and install Windows. > > but then I would have to do a new install right? and I just want > to keep my current windows 7. > No. You're just using the Windows installer to create the partitions on your new R0 with the correct offsets. Don't actually perform the install. Once the partitions are created, cancel the Windows installer and restore from your Acronis backup in VOLUME mode. (I use the B/R 10 version, and don't know/remember what other editions/versions call it). > I guess I could temporarily install vista on the D partition > logical... then create the RAID 0, boot into Vista, create the > partition with Vista, and then just copy the files from the existing > primary partition to the new RAID-0 then use Paragon Partition > software to mark the RAID 0 active, change the boot drive in the BIOS > and boot off the windows 7 DVD to restore the boot sector... whew a > big hassle > > you sure I can't just boot off the Acronis 2010 rescue CD and restore > the image file? Maybe I should ask Acronis.
Re: [H] OS on RAID 0 ??
> At 11:28 PM 4/3/2010, you wrote: > >Which SSD? > > OCZ Vertex Series OCZSSD2-1VTX30GXXX 2.5" 30GB SATA II MLC Internal > Solid State Drive Ok, that's a decent one. Not my current favorite, but a decent one. Make sure that you upgrade it to 1.41 firmware or better before you do this. I'd suggest 1.40, but you can't use TRIM in RAID mode, so you want the version with built-in garbage collection. That's 1.41. You can then upgrade to 1.50. > > > >Y > >boot to the disc or USB drive, and continue with the installation to > the > >disk management page. Create your partitions here and you will be > properly > >aligned. Close the installer at this screen after creating your > >partitions--if you click next, it will go ahead and install Windows. > > but then I would have to do a new install right? and I just want > to keep my current windows 7. > No. You're just using the Windows installer to create the partitions on your new R0 with the correct offsets. Don't actually perform the install. Once the partitions are created, cancel the Windows installer and restore from your Acronis backup in VOLUME mode. (I use the B/R 10 version, and don't know/remember what other editions/versions call it). > I guess I could temporarily install vista on the D partition > logical... then create the RAID 0, boot into Vista, create the > partition with Vista, and then just copy the files from the existing > primary partition to the new RAID-0 then use Paragon Partition > software to mark the RAID 0 active, change the boot drive in the BIOS > and boot off the windows 7 DVD to restore the boot sector... whew a > big hassle > > you sure I can't just boot off the Acronis 2010 rescue CD and restore > the image file? Maybe I should ask Acronis.
