Re: [H] FIOS question 2.5?
That sounds more like what my buddy in NJ described about his FIOS setup. The all coax way sounds like the lazy installer method. On 7/3/2010 12:06 PM, Bryan Seitz wrote: The way mine works is: ONT -> RJ45 -> My router ONT -> Coax -> TVS Ie, the ONT has more than one output...
Re: [H] FIOS question 2.5?
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 06:27:55PM -0400, DSinc wrote: > Bryan, > Thank you. I think you have solved all my confusion. > I'll read up on DNS Relay. > Plan to disable the DHCP Server. Understand your share of "depends,...". > Believe this a LAN-side business anyway per my router's docs. I manually > assign LAN IP addys. Old habit.. :) > > Should the "wan mode:" be DHCP, most everything else falls into place. My FIOS is DHCP on the WAN. I doubt they will give you a static ip, but if they do rock on! > Yes, I expect that the new ISP may supply me with 'local' settings for > my "PC", but do not divulge ATM. Actually, they mention the Install Tech > using a USB FlashDrive to 'install' my device to their service. That's a > bit creepy. This I need to run down. Gross yeah I'd not be letting them do that ;) > Thank you for your suggestions. Np. -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] FIOS question 2.5?
Bryan, Thank you. I think you have solved all my confusion. I'll read up on DNS Relay. Plan to disable the DHCP Server. Understand your share of "depends,...". Believe this a LAN-side business anyway per my router's docs. I manually assign LAN IP addys. Old habit.. :) Should the "wan mode:" be DHCP, most everything else falls into place. Yes, I expect that the new ISP may supply me with 'local' settings for my "PC", but do not divulge ATM. Actually, they mention the Install Tech using a USB FlashDrive to 'install' my device to their service. That's a bit creepy. This I need to run down. Thank you for your suggestions. Best, Duncan On 07/03/2010 16:28, Bryan Seitz wrote: On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 03:59:19PM -0400, DSinc wrote: Bryan, OK. Your setup makes sense to me. Can you share what kinds of settings you use at your Router? I was thinking stuff like: Enable DNS Relay: ??? Sure. Enable RIP: ??? No. Enable DHCP Server: ??? Depends, make sure only one device on your lan is doing this function. WAN Mode: Static/DHCP/PPPoE/PPTP/L2TP ? UName: n/a PW: n/a Adress Mode: Dynamic IP/Static IP ? Reconnect Mode: On-Demand/Always On/Manual Settings from your ISP, should be ethernet/DHCP to obtain a WAN ip. Max Idle Time: 0=infinite/??? Infinite. Pri DNS Server: ??? (208.67.222.222 planned?) Sec DNS Server: ??? (208.67.220.220 planned?) MTU: ??? (currently 1492 (default=1492)) Link Drop Delay: ??? (currently 120sec.(0=infinite)) Thats fine. MAC Cloning Enabled: ??? (currently YES!!... ;) Should not be needed in your setup, this is used if you have a wifi AP or something hooked up to your ONT, and you switch it out but want to make the ONT think the device is the same as to not disrupt service.
Re: [H] FIOS question 2.5?
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 03:59:19PM -0400, DSinc wrote: > Bryan, > OK. Your setup makes sense to me. Can you share what kinds of settings > you use at your Router? I was thinking stuff like: > > Enable DNS Relay: ??? Sure. > Enable RIP: ??? No. > Enable DHCP Server: ??? Depends, make sure only one device on your lan is doing this function. > > WAN Mode: Static/DHCP/PPPoE/PPTP/L2TP ? > UName: n/a > PW: n/a > Adress Mode: Dynamic IP/Static IP ? > Reconnect Mode: On-Demand/Always On/Manual Settings from your ISP, should be ethernet/DHCP to obtain a WAN ip. > Max Idle Time: 0=infinite/??? Infinite. > Pri DNS Server: ??? (208.67.222.222 planned?) > Sec DNS Server: ??? (208.67.220.220 planned?) > MTU: ??? (currently 1492 (default=1492)) > Link Drop Delay: ??? (currently 120sec.(0=infinite)) Thats fine. > MAC Cloning Enabled: ??? (currently YES!!... ;) Should not be needed in your setup, this is used if you have a wifi AP or something hooked up to your ONT, and you switch it out but want to make the ONT think the device is the same as to not disrupt service. -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] FIOS question 2.5?
Bryan, OK. Your setup makes sense to me. Can you share what kinds of settings you use at your Router? I was thinking stuff like: Enable DNS Relay: ??? Enable RIP: ??? Enable DHCP Server: ??? WAN Mode: Static/DHCP/PPPoE/PPTP/L2TP ? UName: n/a PW: n/a Adress Mode: Dynamic IP/Static IP ? Reconnect Mode: On-Demand/Always On/Manual Max Idle Time: 0=infinite/??? Pri DNS Server: ??? (208.67.222.222 planned?) Sec DNS Server: ??? (208.67.220.220 planned?) MTU: ??? (currently 1492 (default=1492)) Link Drop Delay: ??? (currently 120sec.(0=infinite)) MAC Cloning Enabled: ??? (currently YES!!... ;) Thanks, Duncan On 07/03/2010 15:06, Bryan Seitz wrote: On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 02:31:42PM -0400, DSinc wrote: Brian, MOCA confused me. Now I know what it is. No, I've been told nothing about MOCA. I suppose it could be involved with their FI-TV service, but I am not investigating the FI-TV piece yet. The only info I have yet is that there NO Set-Top-Boxes in this service until I select HD channels. This reads very odd because neither of my current flat screen tvs have an rj45 interface. So the confusion continues. ATM, I am just trying to figure out which link-up protocols are used and whether I can set up my wired router to communicate with the new FIOS connection (rj45). The way mine works is: ONT -> RJ45 -> My router ONT -> Coax -> TVS Ie, the ONT has more than one output...
Re: [H] FIOS question 2.5?
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 02:31:42PM -0400, DSinc wrote: > Brian, > MOCA confused me. Now I know what it is. No, I've been told nothing > about MOCA. I suppose it could be involved with their FI-TV service, > but I am not investigating the FI-TV piece yet. The only info I have yet > is that there NO Set-Top-Boxes in this service until I select HD > channels. This reads very odd because neither of my current flat screen > tvs have an rj45 interface. So the confusion continues. > > ATM, I am just trying to figure out which link-up protocols are used and > whether I can set up my wired router to communicate with the new FIOS > connection (rj45). The way mine works is: ONT -> RJ45 -> My router ONT -> Coax -> TVS Ie, the ONT has more than one output... -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] FIOS question 2.5?
Brian, MOCA confused me. Now I know what it is. No, I've been told nothing about MOCA. I suppose it could be involved with their FI-TV service, but I am not investigating the FI-TV piece yet. The only info I have yet is that there NO Set-Top-Boxes in this service until I select HD channels. This reads very odd because neither of my current flat screen tvs have an rj45 interface. So the confusion continues. ATM, I am just trying to figure out which link-up protocols are used and whether I can set up my wired router to communicate with the new FIOS connection (rj45). Thanks. Best, Duncan On 07/03/2010 11:54, Bryan Seitz wrote: On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 01:28:32AM -0400, Rick Glazier wrote: I can only tell you what "they" do here. My FIOS is a single box inside. That seems to me to be better than one inside and one outside. (The Optical Link terminates in the basement.) Mine runs a COAX cable to the WIFI router (supplied) which I had to have them move from my basement to my first floor. Too much steel and metal ducting in the basement for the signal to get upstairs. They said it had to be Coax to have me ready for TV, if I got it. All outputs from that are Wireless or CAT5. I feed switches (and hubs) around the house. I told the installer he had to use the RJ45 output from the ONT, and after some convincing he did it. If you're still using the MOCA bs, that sucks :)
Re: [H] FIOS question 2.5?
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 01:28:32AM -0400, Rick Glazier wrote: > I can only tell you what "they" do here. > My FIOS is a single box inside. > That seems to me to be better than one inside and one outside. > (The Optical Link terminates in the basement.) > > Mine runs a COAX cable to the WIFI router (supplied) > which I had to have them move from my basement to my > first floor. Too much steel and metal ducting in the basement > for the signal to get upstairs. > They said it had to be Coax to have me ready for TV, if I got it. > All outputs from that are Wireless or CAT5. I feed switches > (and hubs) around the house. I told the installer he had to use the RJ45 output from the ONT, and after some convincing he did it. If you're still using the MOCA bs, that sucks :) -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] FIOS question 2.5?
Rick, Understand some of this. But, I have a mature wired LAN and do not plan to implement wireless. Yes, there is some fuzzy, off-hand mention of, "...a wireless router is necessary for full "mobility." Sadly, this service is new and there is little info via their website's support links. But, I continue to study. All I have been told so far is that there will be only a single box (ONT) outside. The output of this box will be "ethernet." Not further defined. LOL! Best, Duncan On 07/03/2010 01:28, Rick Glazier wrote: I can only tell you what "they" do here. My FIOS is a single box inside. That seems to me to be better than one inside and one outside. (The Optical Link terminates in the basement.) Mine runs a COAX cable to the WIFI router (supplied) which I had to have them move from my basement to my first floor. Too much steel and metal ducting in the basement for the signal to get upstairs. They said it had to be Coax to have me ready for TV, if I got it. All outputs from that are Wireless or CAT5. I feed switches (and hubs) around the house. THEIR WiFi router runs a DHCP server with a dynamic IP (this is a house/residential account). I can set it to use OpenDNS servers. (The company.) The rest will be Company specific. VERIZON set up the configuration with a batch file on a USB drive run on my laptop connected with Cat5. I insisted on better security (NOT WEP) and changed it after they left. They had to change my WiFi router once to a better model that actually supported that. WPA-PSK2 (About a year later, another one burned out.) Good luck. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: "DSinc" Subject: [H] FIOS question 2.5? I am not fully up to this level yet. I've gotten alot of offline suggistions (mostly about tangential wiring my home AND selecting FI-TV). Fine. FI-TV is not my focus ATM. I accept that I may get an RJ45 interface (ethernet) to a future ONT. ATM, I have no idea WHAT comes out of this RJ45 interface. IS it acceptable for me to question my 'pending future' ISP about THIS, AND, things like: (YES, all below is stuff from my Router set for xDSL! I understand much of this may NOT apply in the FIOS future!) Enable DNS Relay: ??? Enable RIP: ??? Enable DHCP Server: ??? WAN Mode: Static/DHCP/PPPoE/PPTP/L2TP ? UName: n/a PW: n/a Adress Mode: Dynamic IP/Static IP ? Reconnect Mode: On-Demand/Always On/Manual Max Idle Time: 0=infinite/??? Pri DNS Server: ??? (208.67.222.222 planned?) Sec DNS Server: ??? (208.67.220.220 planned?) MTU: ??? (currently 1492 (default=1492)) Link Drop Delay: ??? (currently 120sec.(0=infinite)) MAC Cloning Enabled: ??? (currently YES!!... ;) Thank you FIOS Users! Duncan
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That's a bummer IMHO since it limits your control & your ability to log what's happening on your connection. This was what I faced with when I moved out here & took over control of my girlfriends DSL connection. At least I was eventually able to get a better deal from the small local cable co. for 3x the speed & I control everything after the modem. Would NEVER have it any other way. If it was me I'd be looking for a way to get their router to simply pass the live IP to my routers WAN port. Even if their firewall is disabled the resulting packets are useless for determining origin since you're double NAT'd. On 7/2/2010 10:28 PM, Rick Glazier wrote: I can only tell you what "they" do here. My FIOS is a single box inside. That seems to me to be better than one inside and one outside. (The Optical Link terminates in the basement.) Mine runs a COAX cable to the WIFI router (supplied) which I had to have them move from my basement to my first floor. Too much steel and metal ducting in the basement for the signal to get upstairs. They said it had to be Coax to have me ready for TV, if I got it. All outputs from that are Wireless or CAT5. I feed switches (and hubs) around the house. > THEIR WiFi router runs a DHCP server with a dynamic IP (this is a house/residential account). I can set it to use OpenDNS servers. (The company.) The rest will be Company specific. VERIZON set up the configuration with a batch file on a USB drive run on my laptop connected with Cat5. I insisted on better security (NOT WEP) and changed it after they left. They had to change my WiFi router once to a better model that actually supported that. WPA-PSK2 (About a year later, another one burned out.) Good luck. Rick Glazier
Re: [H] FIOS question 2.5?
I can only tell you what "they" do here. My FIOS is a single box inside. That seems to me to be better than one inside and one outside. (The Optical Link terminates in the basement.) Mine runs a COAX cable to the WIFI router (supplied) which I had to have them move from my basement to my first floor. Too much steel and metal ducting in the basement for the signal to get upstairs. They said it had to be Coax to have me ready for TV, if I got it. All outputs from that are Wireless or CAT5. I feed switches (and hubs) around the house. THEIR WiFi router runs a DHCP server with a dynamic IP (this is a house/residential account). I can set it to use OpenDNS servers. (The company.) The rest will be Company specific. VERIZON set up the configuration with a batch file on a USB drive run on my laptop connected with Cat5. I insisted on better security (NOT WEP) and changed it after they left. They had to change my WiFi router once to a better model that actually supported that. WPA-PSK2 (About a year later, another one burned out.) Good luck. Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: "DSinc" Subject: [H] FIOS question 2.5? I am not fully up to this level yet. I've gotten alot of offline suggistions (mostly about tangential wiring my home AND selecting FI-TV). Fine. FI-TV is not my focus ATM. I accept that I may get an RJ45 interface (ethernet) to a future ONT. ATM, I have no idea WHAT comes out of this RJ45 interface. IS it acceptable for me to question my 'pending future' ISP about THIS, AND, things like: (YES, all below is stuff from my Router set for xDSL! I understand much of this may NOT apply in the FIOS future!) Enable DNS Relay: ??? Enable RIP: ??? Enable DHCP Server: ??? WAN Mode: Static/DHCP/PPPoE/PPTP/L2TP ? UName: n/a PW: n/a Adress Mode: Dynamic IP/Static IP ? Reconnect Mode: On-Demand/Always On/Manual Max Idle Time: 0=infinite/??? Pri DNS Server: ??? (208.67.222.222 planned?) Sec DNS Server: ??? (208.67.220.220 planned?) MTU: ??? (currently 1492 (default=1492)) Link Drop Delay: ??? (currently 120sec.(0=infinite)) MAC Cloning Enabled: ??? (currently YES!!... ;) Thank you FIOS Users! Duncan
[H] FIOS question 2.5?
I am not fully up to this level yet. I've gotten alot of offline suggistions (mostly about tangential wiring my home AND selecting FI-TV). Fine. FI-TV is not my focus ATM. I accept that I may get an RJ45 interface (ethernet) to a future ONT. ATM, I have no idea WHAT comes out of this RJ45 interface. IS it acceptable for me to question my 'pending future' ISP about THIS, AND, things like: (YES, all below is stuff from my Router set for xDSL! I understand much of this may NOT apply in the FIOS future!) Enable DNS Relay: ??? Enable RIP: ??? Enable DHCP Server: ??? WAN Mode: Static/DHCP/PPPoE/PPTP/L2TP ? UName: n/a PW: n/a Adress Mode: Dynamic IP/Static IP ? Reconnect Mode: On-Demand/Always On/Manual Max Idle Time: 0=infinite/??? Pri DNS Server: ??? (208.67.222.222 planned?) Sec DNS Server: ??? (208.67.220.220 planned?) MTU: ??? (currently 1492 (default=1492)) Link Drop Delay: ??? (currently 120sec.(0=infinite)) MAC Cloning Enabled: ??? (currently YES!!... ;) Thank you FIOS Users! Duncan
