Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Z Vaper]

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On Aug 9, 2019, 1:19 PM -0400, Steve Tomporowski , wrote:
> Hey Z,
>
> What are you using for a 10G network adapter in the Unraid server? I've
> already have a cache drive in the Unraid server.
>
> Steve
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:19 AM Z Vaper  wrote:
>
> > I have 3 wires devices at home. My VM server, unraid server and my desktop
> > and all 3 are 10gbps. The difference is substantial and unraid handles it
> > well provided you're using a caching drive.
> > On Aug 9, 2019, 8:17 AM -0400, Steve Tomporowski ,
> > wrote:
> > > Has anyone gotten into 10G ethernet? A little pricey but is it worth it?
> > > Right now I don't know if Unraid can handle that. There is the thought
> > > that Win10 will just goof it up and waste the bandwidth.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:18 AM James Boswell 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Userbenchmark isn't without utility, but it should be noted that
> > they've
> > > > just recently rebalanced their cpu performance reporting in a really
> > silly
> > > > way, basically massively understating the performance of >4 core cpus
> > by
> > > > making cores above the 4th 2% of the weight of the score, so by their
> > > > current metrics an i3 can be preferable to a like, 28 core xeon...
> > Which...
> > > > Just no.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2019, 08:09 Brian Weeden, 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It's alive!
> > > > >
> > > > > I actually did a rebuild of my main machine at the end of last year
> > > > > (i8700k, Asus Z370-Prime, GTX 1080 SC) and learned the hard way about
> > > > DDR4
> > > > > incompatibilities when filling all four RAM slots.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, if you haven't seen it yet, this is a great site for comparing
> > > > various
> > > > > builds:
> > > > > https://www.userbenchmark.com
> > > > >
> > > > > But when it came to my kids' gaming machines, I just bought a pair of
> > > > Dell
> > > > > Inspiron desktops because they were the same price as what I could
> > have
> > > > > built myself and just less hassle.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have found myself getting more into networking gear. I recently
> > rebuild
> > > > > my home network using Unifi gear from Ubiquity (including switches,
> > APs,
> > > > > and POE cameras) and that has proven to be very rewarding. The gear
> > is
> > > > much
> > > > > more customization and powerful than most consumer networking gear.
> > > > >
> > > > > -
> > > > > Brian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:12 AM Tim Lider <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've been a part of the list since 95 or 96. I remember when we
> > have
> > > > the
> > > > > > get together in Vegas that year when ComDEX was happening.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Those were the days,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tim Lider
> > > > > > Red Belt Arnis de Mano
> > > > > > https://www.facebook.com/CardenasArnis
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > From: Hardware  On
> > Behalf Of
> > > > > > didymus7
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 3:46 PM
> > > > > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [H] List seems dead these days?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When did the list begin? I've only been here since '95. Not sure
> > what
> > > > > > month.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 8/8/2019 4:53 PM, Scott Sipe wrote:
> > > > > > > I'm embarrassed to say my last serious build was an i7-4970 and a
> > > > > > > Geforce970 (and also embarrassed I had to look up in my email to
> > see
> > > > > > > when that was -- 2014!). I do have an itch to try out AMD again.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I put together a small AMD system a year or so ago with my
> > son--who
> > > > is
> > > > > > > now 9. I think I first joined the HWG when I was around 13 or 14
> > > > (does
> > > > > > > anybody remember when the list started?). Now THAT'S scary.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Great to see so many people still around.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Scott
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:01 PM Thane K. Sherrington <
> > > > > > > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anyone else getting double posts?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 07/08/2019 9:58 p.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Yeah, those were the days. :)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > T
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 07/08/2019 3:16 p.m., Christopher Fisk wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a
> > slocket'ed
> > > > > > > > > > Celeron 300a malaysia.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw <
> > maccr...@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Steve Tomporowski]

Hey Z,

What are you using for a 10G network adapter in the Unraid server?  I've
already have a cache drive in the Unraid server.

Steve

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:19 AM Z Vaper  wrote:

> I have 3 wires devices at home. My VM server, unraid server and my desktop
> and all 3 are 10gbps. The difference is substantial and unraid handles it
> well provided you're using a caching drive.
> On Aug 9, 2019, 8:17 AM -0400, Steve Tomporowski ,
> wrote:
> > Has anyone gotten into 10G ethernet? A little pricey but is it worth it?
> > Right now I don't know if Unraid can handle that. There is the thought
> > that Win10 will just goof it up and waste the bandwidth.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:18 AM James Boswell 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Userbenchmark isn't without utility, but it should be noted that
> they've
> > > just recently rebalanced their cpu performance reporting in a really
> silly
> > > way, basically massively understating the performance of >4 core cpus
> by
> > > making cores above the 4th 2% of the weight of the score, so by their
> > > current metrics an i3 can be preferable to a like, 28 core xeon...
> Which...
> > > Just no.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2019, 08:09 Brian Weeden, 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's alive!
> > > >
> > > > I actually did a rebuild of my main machine at the end of last year
> > > > (i8700k, Asus Z370-Prime, GTX 1080 SC) and learned the hard way about
> > > DDR4
> > > > incompatibilities when filling all four RAM slots.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, if you haven't seen it yet, this is a great site for comparing
> > > various
> > > > builds:
> > > > https://www.userbenchmark.com
> > > >
> > > > But when it came to my kids' gaming machines, I just bought a pair of
> > > Dell
> > > > Inspiron desktops because they were the same price as what I could
> have
> > > > built myself and just less hassle.
> > > >
> > > > I have found myself getting more into networking gear. I recently
> rebuild
> > > > my home network using Unifi gear from Ubiquity (including switches,
> APs,
> > > > and POE cameras) and that has proven to be very rewarding. The gear
> is
> > > much
> > > > more customization and powerful than most consumer networking gear.
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:12 AM Tim Lider <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I've been a part of the list since 95 or 96. I remember when we
> have
> > > the
> > > > > get together in Vegas that year when ComDEX was happening.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those were the days,
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim Lider
> > > > > Red Belt Arnis de Mano
> > > > > https://www.facebook.com/CardenasArnis
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Hardware  On
> Behalf Of
> > > > > didymus7
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 3:46 PM
> > > > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [H] List seems dead these days?
> > > > >
> > > > > When did the list begin? I've only been here since '95. Not sure
> what
> > > > > month.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/8/2019 4:53 PM, Scott Sipe wrote:
> > > > > > I'm embarrassed to say my last serious build was an i7-4970 and a
> > > > > > Geforce970 (and also embarrassed I had to look up in my email to
> see
> > > > > > when that was -- 2014!). I do have an itch to try out AMD again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I put together a small AMD system a year or so ago with my
> son--who
> > > is
> > > > > > now 9. I think I first joined the HWG when I was around 13 or 14
> > > (does
> > > > > > anybody remember when the list started?). Now THAT'S scary.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Great to see so many people still around.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scott
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:01 PM Thane K. Sherrington <
> > > > > > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone else getting double posts?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 07/08/2019 9:58 p.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:
> > > > > > > > Yeah, those were the days. :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > T
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 07/08/2019 3:16 p.m., Christopher Fisk wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a
> slocket'ed
> > > > > > > > > Celeron 300a malaysia.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw <
> maccr...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Julian Zottl]

I’m still alive too. I’ve been around since it was Toms OC group :)

My machine is seriously like 6-8 years old at this point, but I rarely use it. 
I’d LOVE to build a new one, but just no need yet. I’ll rebuild my home server 
farm first 

I’m out at Blackhat/DEFCON for the 12th year :) if you all are out here, send 
me a note :)

Julian (Sabre)

Sent from my iThingy, but not in that iShortBus kind of way.

> On Aug 9, 2019, at 6:25 AM, Christopher Fisk  
> wrote:
> 
> I went the opposite way a bit back.  I had a motherboard with 8 SATA & 2
> NVMe, so I went ahead and threw together a storage spaces setup with 8
> Spinning drives to complement my NVMe boot drive.  it's still pretty much
> overkill for anything though.
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:22 AM Brian Weeden  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a Synology server on my network as the main fileserver and have
>> stuck with 1gbps (albeit two ports at once). I don't have any real use
>> cases for faster, at least not yet.
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Brian
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 2:19 PM Z Vaper  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have 3 wires devices at home. My VM server, unraid server and my
>> desktop
>>> and all 3 are 10gbps. The difference is substantial and unraid handles it
>>> well provided you're using a caching drive.
>>> On Aug 9, 2019, 8:17 AM -0400, Steve Tomporowski ,
>>> wrote:
>>>> Has anyone gotten into 10G ethernet? A little pricey but is it worth
>> it?
>>>> Right now I don't know if Unraid can handle that. There is the thought
>>>> that Win10 will just goof it up and waste the bandwidth.
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:18 AM James Boswell 
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Userbenchmark isn't without utility, but it should be noted that
>>> they've
>>>>> just recently rebalanced their cpu performance reporting in a really
>>> silly
>>>>> way, basically massively understating the performance of >4 core cpus
>>> by
>>>>> making cores above the 4th 2% of the weight of the score, so by their
>>>>> current metrics an i3 can be preferable to a like, 28 core xeon...
>>> Which...
>>>>> Just no.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 9 Aug 2019, 08:09 Brian Weeden, 
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's alive!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I actually did a rebuild of my main machine at the end of last year
>>>>>> (i8700k, Asus Z370-Prime, GTX 1080 SC) and learned the hard way
>> about
>>>>> DDR4
>>>>>> incompatibilities when filling all four RAM slots.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> BTW, if you haven't seen it yet, this is a great site for comparing
>>>>> various
>>>>>> builds:
>>>>>> https://www.userbenchmark.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But when it came to my kids' gaming machines, I just bought a pair
>> of
>>>>> Dell
>>>>>> Inspiron desktops because they were the same price as what I could
>>> have
>>>>>> built myself and just less hassle.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have found myself getting more into networking gear. I recently
>>> rebuild
>>>>>> my home network using Unifi gear from Ubiquity (including switches,
>>> APs,
>>>>>> and POE cameras) and that has proven to be very rewarding. The gear
>>> is
>>>>> much
>>>>>> more customization and powerful than most consumer networking gear.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:12 AM Tim Lider <619be...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've been a part of the list since 95 or 96. I remember when we
>>> have
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> get together in Vegas that year when ComDEX was happening.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Those were the days,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tim Lider
>>>>>>> Red Belt Arnis de Mano
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/CardenasArnis
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>> From: Hardware  On
>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>>> didymus7
>>>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Christopher Fisk]

I went the opposite way a bit back.  I had a motherboard with 8 SATA & 2
NVMe, so I went ahead and threw together a storage spaces setup with 8
Spinning drives to complement my NVMe boot drive.  it's still pretty much
overkill for anything though.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:22 AM Brian Weeden  wrote:

> I have a Synology server on my network as the main fileserver and have
> stuck with 1gbps (albeit two ports at once). I don't have any real use
> cases for faster, at least not yet.
>
>
> -
> Brian
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 2:19 PM Z Vaper  wrote:
>
> > I have 3 wires devices at home. My VM server, unraid server and my
> desktop
> > and all 3 are 10gbps. The difference is substantial and unraid handles it
> > well provided you're using a caching drive.
> > On Aug 9, 2019, 8:17 AM -0400, Steve Tomporowski ,
> > wrote:
> > > Has anyone gotten into 10G ethernet? A little pricey but is it worth
> it?
> > > Right now I don't know if Unraid can handle that. There is the thought
> > > that Win10 will just goof it up and waste the bandwidth.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:18 AM James Boswell 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Userbenchmark isn't without utility, but it should be noted that
> > they've
> > > > just recently rebalanced their cpu performance reporting in a really
> > silly
> > > > way, basically massively understating the performance of >4 core cpus
> > by
> > > > making cores above the 4th 2% of the weight of the score, so by their
> > > > current metrics an i3 can be preferable to a like, 28 core xeon...
> > Which...
> > > > Just no.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2019, 08:09 Brian Weeden, 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It's alive!
> > > > >
> > > > > I actually did a rebuild of my main machine at the end of last year
> > > > > (i8700k, Asus Z370-Prime, GTX 1080 SC) and learned the hard way
> about
> > > > DDR4
> > > > > incompatibilities when filling all four RAM slots.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, if you haven't seen it yet, this is a great site for comparing
> > > > various
> > > > > builds:
> > > > > https://www.userbenchmark.com
> > > > >
> > > > > But when it came to my kids' gaming machines, I just bought a pair
> of
> > > > Dell
> > > > > Inspiron desktops because they were the same price as what I could
> > have
> > > > > built myself and just less hassle.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have found myself getting more into networking gear. I recently
> > rebuild
> > > > > my home network using Unifi gear from Ubiquity (including switches,
> > APs,
> > > > > and POE cameras) and that has proven to be very rewarding. The gear
> > is
> > > > much
> > > > > more customization and powerful than most consumer networking gear.
> > > > >
> > > > > -
> > > > > Brian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:12 AM Tim Lider <619be...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've been a part of the list since 95 or 96. I remember when we
> > have
> > > > the
> > > > > > get together in Vegas that year when ComDEX was happening.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Those were the days,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tim Lider
> > > > > > Red Belt Arnis de Mano
> > > > > > https://www.facebook.com/CardenasArnis
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > From: Hardware  On
> > Behalf Of
> > > > > > didymus7
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 3:46 PM
> > > > > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [H] List seems dead these days?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When did the list begin? I've only been here since '95. Not sure
> > what
> > > > > > month.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 8/8/2019 4:53 PM, Scott Sipe wrote:
> > > > > > > I'm embarrassed to say my last serious build was an i7-4970
> and a
> > > > > > > Geforce970 (and also embarrassed I had to look up in my email
> 

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Greg Sevart]

Yes, though I mostly went older enterprise gear. My core is a Juniper EX4200 
stack, which gives me 6 SFP+ slots, but I have a 48-port SFP+ Cisco Nexus 
switch for 10gb fiber and a more prosumer-level Netgear for 10GbaseT--though I 
use fiber for most connections.

I'm even putting my VM hosts on 40gbps as the Nexus has 4 40gbps QSFP+ ports 
too.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of 
Steve Tomporowski
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 7:14 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

Has anyone gotten into 10G ethernet?  A little pricey but is it worth it?
Right now I don't know if Unraid can handle that.  There is the thought that 
Win10 will just goof it up and waste the bandwidth.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:18 AM James Boswell  wrote:

> Userbenchmark isn't without utility, but it should be noted that 
> they've just recently rebalanced their cpu performance reporting in a 
> really silly way, basically massively understating the performance of 
> >4 core cpus by making cores above the 4th 2% of the weight of the 
> score, so by their current metrics an i3 can be preferable to a like, 28 core 
> xeon... Which...
> Just no.
>
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2019, 08:09 Brian Weeden,  wrote:
>
> > It's alive!
> >
> > I actually did a rebuild of my main machine at the end of last year 
> > (i8700k, Asus Z370-Prime, GTX 1080 SC) and learned the hard way 
> > about
> DDR4
> > incompatibilities when filling all four RAM slots.
> >
> > BTW, if you haven't seen it yet, this is a great site for comparing
> various
> > builds:
> > https://www.userbenchmark.com
> >
> > But when it came to my kids' gaming machines, I just bought a pair 
> > of
> Dell
> > Inspiron desktops because they were the same price as what I could 
> > have built myself and just less hassle.
> >
> > I have found myself getting more into networking gear. I recently 
> > rebuild my home network using Unifi gear from Ubiquity (including 
> > switches, APs, and POE cameras) and that has proven to be very 
> > rewarding. The gear is
> much
> > more customization and powerful than most consumer networking gear.
> >
> > -
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:12 AM Tim Lider <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been a part of the list since 95 or 96. I remember when we 
> > > have
> the
> > > get together in Vegas that year when ComDEX was happening.
> > >
> > > Those were the days,
> > >
> > > Tim Lider
> > > Red Belt Arnis de Mano
> > > https://www.facebook.com/CardenasArnis
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Hardware  On 
> > > Behalf Of
> > > didymus7
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 3:46 PM
> > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > Subject: Re: [H] List seems dead these days?
> > >
> > > When did the list begin?  I've only been here since '95.  Not sure 
> > > what month.
> > >
> > > On 8/8/2019 4:53 PM, Scott Sipe wrote:
> > > > I'm embarrassed to say my last serious build was an i7-4970 and 
> > > > a
> > > > Geforce970 (and also embarrassed I had to look up in my email to 
> > > > see when that was -- 2014!). I do have an itch to try out AMD again.
> > > >
> > > > I put together a small AMD system a year or so ago with my 
> > > > son--who
> is
> > > > now 9. I think I first joined the HWG when I was around 13 or 14
> (does
> > > > anybody remember when the list started?). Now THAT'S scary.
> > > >
> > > > Great to see so many people still around.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:01 PM Thane K. Sherrington < 
> > > > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Anyone else getting double posts?
> > > >>
> > > >> On 07/08/2019 9:58 p.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:
> > > >>> Yeah, those were the days. :)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> T
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 07/08/2019 3:16 p.m., Christopher Fisk wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a 
> > > >>>> slocket'ed Celeron 300a malaysia.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw 
> > > >>>>  >
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Brian Weeden]

I have a Synology server on my network as the main fileserver and have
stuck with 1gbps (albeit two ports at once). I don't have any real use
cases for faster, at least not yet.


-
Brian



On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 2:19 PM Z Vaper  wrote:

> I have 3 wires devices at home. My VM server, unraid server and my desktop
> and all 3 are 10gbps. The difference is substantial and unraid handles it
> well provided you're using a caching drive.
> On Aug 9, 2019, 8:17 AM -0400, Steve Tomporowski ,
> wrote:
> > Has anyone gotten into 10G ethernet? A little pricey but is it worth it?
> > Right now I don't know if Unraid can handle that. There is the thought
> > that Win10 will just goof it up and waste the bandwidth.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:18 AM James Boswell 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Userbenchmark isn't without utility, but it should be noted that
> they've
> > > just recently rebalanced their cpu performance reporting in a really
> silly
> > > way, basically massively understating the performance of >4 core cpus
> by
> > > making cores above the 4th 2% of the weight of the score, so by their
> > > current metrics an i3 can be preferable to a like, 28 core xeon...
> Which...
> > > Just no.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2019, 08:09 Brian Weeden, 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's alive!
> > > >
> > > > I actually did a rebuild of my main machine at the end of last year
> > > > (i8700k, Asus Z370-Prime, GTX 1080 SC) and learned the hard way about
> > > DDR4
> > > > incompatibilities when filling all four RAM slots.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, if you haven't seen it yet, this is a great site for comparing
> > > various
> > > > builds:
> > > > https://www.userbenchmark.com
> > > >
> > > > But when it came to my kids' gaming machines, I just bought a pair of
> > > Dell
> > > > Inspiron desktops because they were the same price as what I could
> have
> > > > built myself and just less hassle.
> > > >
> > > > I have found myself getting more into networking gear. I recently
> rebuild
> > > > my home network using Unifi gear from Ubiquity (including switches,
> APs,
> > > > and POE cameras) and that has proven to be very rewarding. The gear
> is
> > > much
> > > > more customization and powerful than most consumer networking gear.
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:12 AM Tim Lider <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I've been a part of the list since 95 or 96. I remember when we
> have
> > > the
> > > > > get together in Vegas that year when ComDEX was happening.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those were the days,
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim Lider
> > > > > Red Belt Arnis de Mano
> > > > > https://www.facebook.com/CardenasArnis
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Hardware  On
> Behalf Of
> > > > > didymus7
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 3:46 PM
> > > > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [H] List seems dead these days?
> > > > >
> > > > > When did the list begin? I've only been here since '95. Not sure
> what
> > > > > month.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/8/2019 4:53 PM, Scott Sipe wrote:
> > > > > > I'm embarrassed to say my last serious build was an i7-4970 and a
> > > > > > Geforce970 (and also embarrassed I had to look up in my email to
> see
> > > > > > when that was -- 2014!). I do have an itch to try out AMD again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I put together a small AMD system a year or so ago with my
> son--who
> > > is
> > > > > > now 9. I think I first joined the HWG when I was around 13 or 14
> > > (does
> > > > > > anybody remember when the list started?). Now THAT'S scary.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Great to see so many people still around.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scott
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:01 PM Thane K. Sherrington <
> > > > > > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone else getting double posts?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 07/08/2019 9:58 p.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:
> > > > > > > > Yeah, those were the days. :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > T
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 07/08/2019 3:16 p.m., Christopher Fisk wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a
> slocket'ed
> > > > > > > > > Celeron 300a malaysia.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw <
> maccr...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Z Vaper]

I have 3 wires devices at home. My VM server, unraid server and my desktop and 
all 3 are 10gbps. The difference is substantial and unraid handles it well 
provided you're using a caching drive.
On Aug 9, 2019, 8:17 AM -0400, Steve Tomporowski , wrote:
> Has anyone gotten into 10G ethernet? A little pricey but is it worth it?
> Right now I don't know if Unraid can handle that. There is the thought
> that Win10 will just goof it up and waste the bandwidth.
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:18 AM James Boswell  wrote:
>
> > Userbenchmark isn't without utility, but it should be noted that they've
> > just recently rebalanced their cpu performance reporting in a really silly
> > way, basically massively understating the performance of >4 core cpus by
> > making cores above the 4th 2% of the weight of the score, so by their
> > current metrics an i3 can be preferable to a like, 28 core xeon... Which...
> > Just no.
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Aug 2019, 08:09 Brian Weeden,  wrote:
> >
> > > It's alive!
> > >
> > > I actually did a rebuild of my main machine at the end of last year
> > > (i8700k, Asus Z370-Prime, GTX 1080 SC) and learned the hard way about
> > DDR4
> > > incompatibilities when filling all four RAM slots.
> > >
> > > BTW, if you haven't seen it yet, this is a great site for comparing
> > various
> > > builds:
> > > https://www.userbenchmark.com
> > >
> > > But when it came to my kids' gaming machines, I just bought a pair of
> > Dell
> > > Inspiron desktops because they were the same price as what I could have
> > > built myself and just less hassle.
> > >
> > > I have found myself getting more into networking gear. I recently rebuild
> > > my home network using Unifi gear from Ubiquity (including switches, APs,
> > > and POE cameras) and that has proven to be very rewarding. The gear is
> > much
> > > more customization and powerful than most consumer networking gear.
> > >
> > > -
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:12 AM Tim Lider <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've been a part of the list since 95 or 96. I remember when we have
> > the
> > > > get together in Vegas that year when ComDEX was happening.
> > > >
> > > > Those were the days,
> > > >
> > > > Tim Lider
> > > > Red Belt Arnis de Mano
> > > > https://www.facebook.com/CardenasArnis
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> > > > didymus7
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 3:46 PM
> > > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [H] List seems dead these days?
> > > >
> > > > When did the list begin? I've only been here since '95. Not sure what
> > > > month.
> > > >
> > > > On 8/8/2019 4:53 PM, Scott Sipe wrote:
> > > > > I'm embarrassed to say my last serious build was an i7-4970 and a
> > > > > Geforce970 (and also embarrassed I had to look up in my email to see
> > > > > when that was -- 2014!). I do have an itch to try out AMD again.
> > > > >
> > > > > I put together a small AMD system a year or so ago with my son--who
> > is
> > > > > now 9. I think I first joined the HWG when I was around 13 or 14
> > (does
> > > > > anybody remember when the list started?). Now THAT'S scary.
> > > > >
> > > > > Great to see so many people still around.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:01 PM Thane K. Sherrington <
> > > > > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone else getting double posts?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 07/08/2019 9:58 p.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:
> > > > > > > Yeah, those were the days. :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > T
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 07/08/2019 3:16 p.m., Christopher Fisk wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a slocket'ed
> > > > > > > > Celeron 300a malaysia.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw 
> > > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Steve Tomporowski]

Has anyone gotten into 10G ethernet?  A little pricey but is it worth it?
Right now I don't know if Unraid can handle that.  There is the thought
that Win10 will just goof it up and waste the bandwidth.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:18 AM James Boswell  wrote:

> Userbenchmark isn't without utility, but it should be noted that they've
> just recently rebalanced their cpu performance reporting in a really silly
> way, basically massively understating the performance of >4 core cpus by
> making cores above the 4th 2% of the weight of the score, so by their
> current metrics an i3 can be preferable to a like, 28 core xeon... Which...
> Just no.
>
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2019, 08:09 Brian Weeden,  wrote:
>
> > It's alive!
> >
> > I actually did a rebuild of my main machine at the end of last year
> > (i8700k, Asus Z370-Prime, GTX 1080 SC) and learned the hard way about
> DDR4
> > incompatibilities when filling all four RAM slots.
> >
> > BTW, if you haven't seen it yet, this is a great site for comparing
> various
> > builds:
> > https://www.userbenchmark.com
> >
> > But when it came to my kids' gaming machines, I just bought a pair of
> Dell
> > Inspiron desktops because they were the same price as what I could have
> > built myself and just less hassle.
> >
> > I have found myself getting more into networking gear. I recently rebuild
> > my home network using Unifi gear from Ubiquity (including switches, APs,
> > and POE cameras) and that has proven to be very rewarding. The gear is
> much
> > more customization and powerful than most consumer networking gear.
> >
> > -
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:12 AM Tim Lider <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been a part of the list since 95 or 96. I remember when we have
> the
> > > get together in Vegas that year when ComDEX was happening.
> > >
> > > Those were the days,
> > >
> > > Tim Lider
> > > Red Belt Arnis de Mano
> > > https://www.facebook.com/CardenasArnis
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> > > didymus7
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 3:46 PM
> > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > Subject: Re: [H] List seems dead these days?
> > >
> > > When did the list begin?  I've only been here since '95.  Not sure what
> > > month.
> > >
> > > On 8/8/2019 4:53 PM, Scott Sipe wrote:
> > > > I'm embarrassed to say my last serious build was an i7-4970 and a
> > > > Geforce970 (and also embarrassed I had to look up in my email to see
> > > > when that was -- 2014!). I do have an itch to try out AMD again.
> > > >
> > > > I put together a small AMD system a year or so ago with my son--who
> is
> > > > now 9. I think I first joined the HWG when I was around 13 or 14
> (does
> > > > anybody remember when the list started?). Now THAT'S scary.
> > > >
> > > > Great to see so many people still around.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:01 PM Thane K. Sherrington <
> > > > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Anyone else getting double posts?
> > > >>
> > > >> On 07/08/2019 9:58 p.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:
> > > >>> Yeah, those were the days. :)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> T
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 07/08/2019 3:16 p.m., Christopher Fisk wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a slocket'ed
> > > >>>> Celeron 300a malaysia.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw  >
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[James Boswell]

Userbenchmark isn't without utility, but it should be noted that they've
just recently rebalanced their cpu performance reporting in a really silly
way, basically massively understating the performance of >4 core cpus by
making cores above the 4th 2% of the weight of the score, so by their
current metrics an i3 can be preferable to a like, 28 core xeon... Which...
Just no.

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019, 08:09 Brian Weeden,  wrote:

> It's alive!
>
> I actually did a rebuild of my main machine at the end of last year
> (i8700k, Asus Z370-Prime, GTX 1080 SC) and learned the hard way about DDR4
> incompatibilities when filling all four RAM slots.
>
> BTW, if you haven't seen it yet, this is a great site for comparing various
> builds:
> https://www.userbenchmark.com
>
> But when it came to my kids' gaming machines, I just bought a pair of Dell
> Inspiron desktops because they were the same price as what I could have
> built myself and just less hassle.
>
> I have found myself getting more into networking gear. I recently rebuild
> my home network using Unifi gear from Ubiquity (including switches, APs,
> and POE cameras) and that has proven to be very rewarding. The gear is much
> more customization and powerful than most consumer networking gear.
>
> -
> Brian
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:12 AM Tim Lider <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've been a part of the list since 95 or 96. I remember when we have the
> > get together in Vegas that year when ComDEX was happening.
> >
> > Those were the days,
> >
> > Tim Lider
> > Red Belt Arnis de Mano
> > https://www.facebook.com/CardenasArnis
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> > didymus7
> > Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 3:46 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] List seems dead these days?
> >
> > When did the list begin?  I've only been here since '95.  Not sure what
> > month.
> >
> > On 8/8/2019 4:53 PM, Scott Sipe wrote:
> > > I'm embarrassed to say my last serious build was an i7-4970 and a
> > > Geforce970 (and also embarrassed I had to look up in my email to see
> > > when that was -- 2014!). I do have an itch to try out AMD again.
> > >
> > > I put together a small AMD system a year or so ago with my son--who is
> > > now 9. I think I first joined the HWG when I was around 13 or 14 (does
> > > anybody remember when the list started?). Now THAT'S scary.
> > >
> > > Great to see so many people still around.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:01 PM Thane K. Sherrington <
> > > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Anyone else getting double posts?
> > >>
> > >> On 07/08/2019 9:58 p.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:
> > >>> Yeah, those were the days. :)
> > >>>
> > >>> T
> > >>>
> > >>> On 07/08/2019 3:16 p.m., Christopher Fisk wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a slocket'ed
> > >>>> Celeron 300a malaysia.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw 
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Brian Weeden]

It's alive!

I actually did a rebuild of my main machine at the end of last year
(i8700k, Asus Z370-Prime, GTX 1080 SC) and learned the hard way about DDR4
incompatibilities when filling all four RAM slots.

BTW, if you haven't seen it yet, this is a great site for comparing various
builds:
https://www.userbenchmark.com

But when it came to my kids' gaming machines, I just bought a pair of Dell
Inspiron desktops because they were the same price as what I could have
built myself and just less hassle.

I have found myself getting more into networking gear. I recently rebuild
my home network using Unifi gear from Ubiquity (including switches, APs,
and POE cameras) and that has proven to be very rewarding. The gear is much
more customization and powerful than most consumer networking gear.

-
Brian



On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 3:12 AM Tim Lider <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been a part of the list since 95 or 96. I remember when we have the
> get together in Vegas that year when ComDEX was happening.
>
> Those were the days,
>
> Tim Lider
> Red Belt Arnis de Mano
> https://www.facebook.com/CardenasArnis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> didymus7
> Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 3:46 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] List seems dead these days?
>
> When did the list begin?  I've only been here since '95.  Not sure what
> month.
>
> On 8/8/2019 4:53 PM, Scott Sipe wrote:
> > I'm embarrassed to say my last serious build was an i7-4970 and a
> > Geforce970 (and also embarrassed I had to look up in my email to see
> > when that was -- 2014!). I do have an itch to try out AMD again.
> >
> > I put together a small AMD system a year or so ago with my son--who is
> > now 9. I think I first joined the HWG when I was around 13 or 14 (does
> > anybody remember when the list started?). Now THAT'S scary.
> >
> > Great to see so many people still around.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:01 PM Thane K. Sherrington <
> > th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone else getting double posts?
> >>
> >> On 07/08/2019 9:58 p.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:
> >>> Yeah, those were the days. :)
> >>>
> >>> T
> >>>
> >>> On 07/08/2019 3:16 p.m., Christopher Fisk wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a slocket'ed
> >>>> Celeron 300a malaysia.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw 
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Tim Lider]

I've been a part of the list since 95 or 96. I remember when we have the get 
together in Vegas that year when ComDEX was happening. 

Those were the days,

Tim Lider
Red Belt Arnis de Mano
https://www.facebook.com/CardenasArnis

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of didymus7
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 3:46 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

When did the list begin?  I've only been here since '95.  Not sure what month.

On 8/8/2019 4:53 PM, Scott Sipe wrote:
> I'm embarrassed to say my last serious build was an i7-4970 and a
> Geforce970 (and also embarrassed I had to look up in my email to see 
> when that was -- 2014!). I do have an itch to try out AMD again.
>
> I put together a small AMD system a year or so ago with my son--who is 
> now 9. I think I first joined the HWG when I was around 13 or 14 (does 
> anybody remember when the list started?). Now THAT'S scary.
>
> Great to see so many people still around.
>
> Scott
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:01 PM Thane K. Sherrington < 
> th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone else getting double posts?
>>
>> On 07/08/2019 9:58 p.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:
>>> Yeah, those were the days. :)
>>>
>>> T
>>>
>>> On 07/08/2019 3:16 p.m., Christopher Fisk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a slocket'ed 
>>>> Celeron 300a malaysia.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Winterlight]

My last build was in 2013 ...an Intel® Core™ 
i7-4930K  on a ASUS E6896_P9X79_WS_ mother board, 
64 GB Crucial Ballistix Sport XT and a Nvidia 
7010. a few years ago I started to realize that I 
wouldn't need to go up from here any time 
soon...if at all. So I purchased a backup of the 
most vulnerable component  =ASUS E6896_P9X79_WS_ 
mother board. Usually when your motherboard goes 
you might as well start over. Very rare to have 
to replace CPU and RAM has a lifetime 
warranty.  Last year I started experimenting and 
going beyond the BIOS auto overclock of 
4.13...but first I picked up a backup of my six 
core processor on EBAY for a fraction of what I 
paid for it in 2013 ... just $90. w




At 05:07 PM 8/8/2019, you wrote:

My last build was an 6700K w/970 and frankly I haven't yet taxed it.  I
anticipate in 2027 when Star Citizen is released I might need to upgrade.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 4:53 PM Scott Sipe  wrote:

> I'm embarrassed to say my last serious build was an i7-4970 and a
> Geforce970 (and also embarrassed I had to look up in my email to see when
> that was -- 2014!). I do have an itch to try out AMD again.
>
> I put together a small AMD system a year or so ago with my son--who is now
> 9. I think I first joined the HWG when I was around 13 or 14 (does anybody
> remember when the list started?). Now THAT'S scary.
>
> Great to see so many people still around.
>
> Scott
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:01 PM Thane K. Sherrington <
> th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
>
> > Anyone else getting double posts?
> >
> > On 07/08/2019 9:58 p.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:
> > > Yeah, those were the days. :)
> > >
> > > T
> > >
> > > On 07/08/2019 3:16 p.m., Christopher Fisk wrote:
> > >
> > >> Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a slocket'ed
> Celeron
> > >> 300a malaysia.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Christopher Fisk]

My last build was an 6700K w/970 and frankly I haven't yet taxed it.  I
anticipate in 2027 when Star Citizen is released I might need to upgrade.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 4:53 PM Scott Sipe  wrote:

> I'm embarrassed to say my last serious build was an i7-4970 and a
> Geforce970 (and also embarrassed I had to look up in my email to see when
> that was -- 2014!). I do have an itch to try out AMD again.
>
> I put together a small AMD system a year or so ago with my son--who is now
> 9. I think I first joined the HWG when I was around 13 or 14 (does anybody
> remember when the list started?). Now THAT'S scary.
>
> Great to see so many people still around.
>
> Scott
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:01 PM Thane K. Sherrington <
> th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:
>
> > Anyone else getting double posts?
> >
> > On 07/08/2019 9:58 p.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:
> > > Yeah, those were the days. :)
> > >
> > > T
> > >
> > > On 07/08/2019 3:16 p.m., Christopher Fisk wrote:
> > >
> > >> Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a slocket'ed
> Celeron
> > >> 300a malaysia.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[didymus7]

When did the list begin?  I've only been here since '95.  Not sure what 
month.


On 8/8/2019 4:53 PM, Scott Sipe wrote:

I'm embarrassed to say my last serious build was an i7-4970 and a
Geforce970 (and also embarrassed I had to look up in my email to see when
that was -- 2014!). I do have an itch to try out AMD again.

I put together a small AMD system a year or so ago with my son--who is now
9. I think I first joined the HWG when I was around 13 or 14 (does anybody
remember when the list started?). Now THAT'S scary.

Great to see so many people still around.

Scott

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:01 PM Thane K. Sherrington <
th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:


Anyone else getting double posts?

On 07/08/2019 9:58 p.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:

Yeah, those were the days. :)

T

On 07/08/2019 3:16 p.m., Christopher Fisk wrote:


Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a slocket'ed Celeron
300a malaysia.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw 
wrote:


Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Scott Sipe]

I'm embarrassed to say my last serious build was an i7-4970 and a
Geforce970 (and also embarrassed I had to look up in my email to see when
that was -- 2014!). I do have an itch to try out AMD again.

I put together a small AMD system a year or so ago with my son--who is now
9. I think I first joined the HWG when I was around 13 or 14 (does anybody
remember when the list started?). Now THAT'S scary.

Great to see so many people still around.

Scott

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:01 PM Thane K. Sherrington <
th...@computerconnectionltd.com> wrote:

> Anyone else getting double posts?
>
> On 07/08/2019 9:58 p.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:
> > Yeah, those were the days. :)
> >
> > T
> >
> > On 07/08/2019 3:16 p.m., Christopher Fisk wrote:
> >
> >> Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a slocket'ed Celeron
> >> 300a malaysia.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Thane K. Sherrington]

Anyone else getting double posts?

On 07/08/2019 9:58 p.m., Thane K. Sherrington wrote:

Yeah, those were the days. :)

T

On 07/08/2019 3:16 p.m., Christopher Fisk wrote:


Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a slocket'ed Celeron
300a malaysia.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw  
wrote:



Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Thane K. Sherrington]

Yeah, those were the days. :)

T

On 07/08/2019 3:16 p.m., Christopher Fisk wrote:


Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a slocket'ed Celeron
300a malaysia.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw  wrote:


Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Greg Sevart]

Indeed - I'm actually aborting my 
long-in-progress-but-too-busy/lazy-to-complete Skylake-X build in anticipation 
of a 3950X. Using a 3800X until it's available.

Also replacing my Haswell-E/Broadwell-E virtualization hosts with Threadripper 
1950s, and taking advantage of ECC memory.

It's been a very long time since I've been majority AMD.


-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of 
James Boswell
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 1:23 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

On the other hand we've got consumer socket 12 (and soon 16) core CPUs

That 3950X is lookin' MIghty tempting.

Just need to stop buying guitars long enough to actually have money for 
computer hardware!

On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 19:16, Christopher Fisk 
wrote:

> Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a slocket'ed 
> Celeron 300a malaysia.
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw  wrote:
>
> > Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
> >
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[lopaka polena]

The 1st gen threadripper  with 8 cores at 3.8 GHz is pretty cheap and I've
been considering a new build based off that one. The cooling setups are
pricey though at $150 and higher for a good one. I have a 8 core older
Ryzen as my main machine and it's solid though so I don't need a new
system, but would like one.

lopaka


Virus-free.
www.avast.com

<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 3:08 PM didymus7  wrote:

> Most seem to be still here.  How about some controversy?
>
> What do you think about going AMD for the build?  Yeah, I've been
> watching Linus on Youtube and they are all over Ryzen 5.
>
> On 8/7/2019 5:35 PM, lopaka polena wrote:
> > I'm here too :)
> >
> > lopaka
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:55 PM didymus7  wrote:
> >
> >> I was wondering myself.  I did post a couple of questions over the past
> >> couple of weeks and there was nothing.
> >>
> >> On 8/7/2019 1:37 PM, Joshua MacCraw wrote:
> >>> Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[didymus7]

Most seem to be still here.  How about some controversy?

What do you think about going AMD for the build?  Yeah, I've been 
watching Linus on Youtube and they are all over Ryzen 5.


On 8/7/2019 5:35 PM, lopaka polena wrote:

I'm here too :)

lopaka

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:55 PM didymus7  wrote:


I was wondering myself.  I did post a couple of questions over the past
couple of weeks and there was nothing.

On 8/7/2019 1:37 PM, Joshua MacCraw wrote:

Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[lopaka polena]

I'm here too :)

lopaka

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:55 PM didymus7  wrote:

> I was wondering myself.  I did post a couple of questions over the past
> couple of weeks and there was nothing.
>
> On 8/7/2019 1:37 PM, Joshua MacCraw wrote:
> > Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[didymus7]

I was wondering myself.  I did post a couple of questions over the past 
couple of weeks and there was nothing.


On 8/7/2019 1:37 PM, Joshua MacCraw wrote:

Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Tim Lider]

Still alive on the internet.

New hobby at: https://www.facebook.com/CardenasArnis/

Good to see peeps are still around

Tim Lider
Red Belt Arnis de Mano
https://www.facebook.com/CardenasArnis

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Lubomír 
Cabla
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 11:56 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

Still receiving...

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:37 PM Joshua MacCraw  wrote:

> Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Lubomír Čabla]

Still receiving...

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:37 PM Joshua MacCraw  wrote:

> Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[James Boswell]

On the other hand we've got consumer socket 12 (and soon 16) core CPUs

That 3950X is lookin' MIghty tempting.

Just need to stop buying guitars long enough to actually have money for
computer hardware!

On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 19:16, Christopher Fisk 
wrote:

> Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a slocket'ed Celeron
> 300a malaysia.
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw  wrote:
>
> > Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
> >
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Christopher Fisk]

Gone are the days of getting a 50% overclock out of a slocket'ed Celeron
300a malaysia.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Joshua MacCraw  wrote:

> Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Z Vaper]

What?

RGB. Lol
On Aug 7, 2019, 2:02 PM -0400, Al A , wrote:
> The world of computing just isn't as exciting as back in the day. :(
> IMHO,
> Al
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:37 PM Joshua MacCraw  wrote:
>
> > Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
> >

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Al A]

The world of computing just isn't as exciting as back in the day. :(
IMHO,
Al

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:37 PM Joshua MacCraw  wrote:

> Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[Joshua MacCraw]

Check, Five by Five!

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 10:42 AM James Boswell  wrote:

> We have always been here.
>
> (assuming this reply works)
>
> On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 18:37, Joshua MacCraw  wrote:
>
> > Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
> >
>

Re: [H] List seems dead these days?

[James Boswell]

We have always been here.

(assuming this reply works)

On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 18:37, Joshua MacCraw  wrote:

> Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?
>

[H] List seems dead these days?

[Joshua MacCraw]

Is there an issue at my end or is the list faded?