Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

[j m g]

Well for the VMotion to work as described you also need to use SAN,
the LUN's need to be visible to all the esx servers in the farm to get
the true benefits.  But depending on your budget, if you are looking
to do esx server farms hopefully you're using SAN.  One thing I've
seen folks do especially as they start is to have a few medium size
servers(2 cpus) plus 1 big(4+ cpus) as overflow.  This way you get a
feel for what the equipment can handle, (and if what your app folks
are telling you is true), if something spikes you can move stuff to
the bigger box via VMotion, all this with no downtime to the client.

On 4/13/06, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ESX supports clustering VM's, so if a single ESX box goes down, the VM
> stays up and the host load gets transferred to another ESX server.
>
> Also, if you had a bunch of ESX servers you can dynamically distribute
> VM's across the entire server farm.
>
> The only hardware requirement to running ESX is a SCSI disk, and a
> dedicated management NIC.
>
> Mesdaq, Ali wrote:
> > What do you run it on and what are the typical uses? I am working on a
> > virtualization project so I am pretty interested in your experience.
> >
>


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Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

[Ben Ruset]

ESX supports clustering VM's, so if a single ESX box goes down, the VM 
stays up and the host load gets transferred to another ESX server.


Also, if you had a bunch of ESX servers you can dynamically distribute 
VM's across the entire server farm.


The only hardware requirement to running ESX is a SCSI disk, and a 
dedicated management NIC.


Mesdaq, Ali wrote:

What do you run it on and what are the typical uses? I am working on a
virtualization project so I am pretty interested in your experience.

RE: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

[Mesdaq, Ali]

What do you run it on and what are the typical uses? I am working on a
virtualization project so I am pretty interested in your experience.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:13 AM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

Yes and I imagine so, however, your usage of "only" severely 
underappreciates the value of being able to run directly on the
hardware. 
Not only are the performance and scalability enhancements very
significant, 
but the ease of patch management and reduced risk from exposure are
quite 
substantial as well.

ESX Server is the only virtualization solution that is suitable for 
production level deployment IMO.

Greg

- Original Message - 
From: "Mesdaq, Ali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:41 PM
Subject: RE: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free


> Isn't the only advantage of ESX that it can run on hardware directly
> with no OS installed? And isn't that only true with certified
hardware?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:28 PM
> To: The Hardware List
> Subject: Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free
>
> Well...
> 1. VMware started it by offering GSX for free.
> 2. MS still has nothing to compare to ESX server. ESX is all I would
> ever
> use in a (virtual) production environment.
>
> Greg
>
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: Stan Zaske
> To: The Hardware List
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free
>
>
> Free? Only until MS drives VMWare out of business!
>
>
> Chris Reeves wrote:
> While they contend not in response to VMWare, etc. it's still the same
> end
> result: the product has been made free of charge for use.
>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/default.mspx
>
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Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

[Greg Sevart]

Yes and I imagine so, however, your usage of "only" severely 
underappreciates the value of being able to run directly on the hardware. 
Not only are the performance and scalability enhancements very significant, 
but the ease of patch management and reduced risk from exposure are quite 
substantial as well.


ESX Server is the only virtualization solution that is suitable for 
production level deployment IMO.


Greg

- Original Message - 
From: "Mesdaq, Ali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:41 PM
Subject: RE: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free



Isn't the only advantage of ESX that it can run on hardware directly
with no OS installed? And isn't that only true with certified hardware?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:28 PM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

Well...
1. VMware started it by offering GSX for free.
2. MS still has nothing to compare to ESX server. ESX is all I would
ever
use in a (virtual) production environment.

Greg

- Original Message - 
From: Stan Zaske

To: The Hardware List
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free


Free? Only until MS drives VMWare out of business!


Chris Reeves wrote:
While they contend not in response to VMWare, etc. it's still the same
end
result: the product has been made free of charge for use.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/default.mspx

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RE: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

[Mesdaq, Ali]

Isn't the only advantage of ESX that it can run on hardware directly
with no OS installed? And isn't that only true with certified hardware?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:28 PM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

Well...
1. VMware started it by offering GSX for free.
2. MS still has nothing to compare to ESX server. ESX is all I would
ever 
use in a (virtual) production environment.

Greg

- Original Message - 
From: Stan Zaske
To: The Hardware List
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free


Free? Only until MS drives VMWare out of business!


Chris Reeves wrote:
While they contend not in response to VMWare, etc. it's still the same
end 
result: the product has been made free of charge for use.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/default.mspx

CW

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Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

[Anthony Q. Martin]

Thane Sherrington (S) wrote:
:: At 08:03 AM 13/04/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
::: The scary part is at any moment, Microsoft could press a few control
::: buttons and destroy Microsoft Windows on any computer in the world
::: that is online, or all of them, unless you have a third party
::: firewall that keeps Microsoft out.
:: 
:: Yeah.  Because Bill is planning on becoming the Evil Emperor of the

:: Universe, and the first part of his plan is to destroy all copies of
:: Windows. :)

Well, Bill *is* the Evil Emperor of the Universe.

Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

[Wayne Johnson]

At 08:52 AM 4/13/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
We all know that from time to time somebody will toss a monkey 
wrench into some very important and valuable machinery.


Like the fact that this will not run on a Intel Itanium machine. ;-)

--+--
   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

[chuck]

- Original Message - 
From: "Thane Sherrington (S)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "The Hardware List" 


Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free




Yeah.  Because Bill is planning on becoming the Evil Emperor of the 
Universe, and the first part of his plan is to destroy all copies of 
Windows. :)




That would be the extreme and highly unlikely, but it is good mind exercise 
to keep aware of the possibilities. At least, let's acknowledge that 
Microsoft will have more control with Windows Vista. Most likely Microsoft 
will not rent Vista but I bet the EULA will not be open ended. Somewhere in 
the fine print I anticipate some clause that allows Microsoft to start 
receiving supplemental funds at any point in the future they feel the need 
to. Hopefully they never will and Vista will be as easy as XP is to 
authenticate and validate etc. and will run without additional costs as long 
as you own the computer it is authenticated on.


I hate having to call Microsoft to authenticate practically every clean 
install I do on a name brand computer. According to Jellybean, some installs 
have the correct product key and some do not, but on most I have to call 
Microsoft. I will gladly live with this calling Microsoft (most often there 
are no hardware changes, just a clean install) in exchange for having a 
measure of protection from butcher builders pricing me out of the local 
market using Windows piracy as a price reducing tool. Occasionally I am put 
on Ignore (Hold) but most times I get prompt service when I call Microsoft 
for assistance in authentication. Once I have called Microsoft, I know I 
have had the same product key shown on the COA authenticated as that is the 
one I use when I do the clean install. There is great satisfaction in making 
this correction.


I am in no way trying to predict any massive catastrophe, but it does not 
hurt to make oneself aware of the control that Microsoft builds in to keep 
things going their way. It would make no sense to cause massive destruction 
but that does not stop people from doing it. It does not have to be 
Microsoft. We all know that from time to time somebody will toss a monkey 
wrench into some very important and valuable machinery.


Chuck

Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

[CW]

Because we know that doing something like this would never attract the 
interests of state attorney generals.

-Original message-
From: "Thane Sherrington (S)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:42:42 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

> At 08:03 AM 13/04/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >The scary part is at any moment, Microsoft could press a few control 
> >buttons and destroy Microsoft Windows on any computer in the world 
> >that is online, or all of them, unless you have a third party 
> >firewall that keeps Microsoft out.
> 
> Yeah.  Because Bill is planning on becoming the Evil Emperor of the 
> Universe, and the first part of his plan is to destroy all copies of 
> Windows. :)
> 
> 
> T 
> 
>

Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

[Thane Sherrington (S)]

At 08:03 AM 13/04/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The scary part is at any moment, Microsoft could press a few control 
buttons and destroy Microsoft Windows on any computer in the world 
that is online, or all of them, unless you have a third party 
firewall that keeps Microsoft out.


Yeah.  Because Bill is planning on becoming the Evil Emperor of the 
Universe, and the first part of his plan is to destroy all copies of 
Windows. :)



T 

Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

[chuck]

- Original Message - 
From: "Stan Zaske" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free


Glad to hear you're content but Microsoft will destroy "open source"/free 
any way it possibly can! The Walmart of the software industry without the 
low prices! Long live Linux!




Sometimes my predictions and/or wishes come true. For years some felt I was 
doing wrong by copying and using Microsoft Windows CD's of various Windows 
versions to do clean installs. True, I was breaking their rules. I was not 
pirating Windows, as I was using the Product Key shown on the COA affixed to 
the computer.


Now, according to the latest issue of Maximum PC, Microsoft will include all 
versions of Vista on one generic DVD. Evidently Microsoft feels they have 
enough control with the combination of Product Activation and Product 
Validation etc. to stop most of the piracy. No more of this having to buy a 
Windows CD just for the media, as I had to do in order to get myself a copy 
of Windows XP Media Center Edition to do clean installs with. I sold that 
kit along with its legal COA etc. to a customer along with a new computer 
for the same price that I would have charged for Windows XP Home, ninety 
dollars.


My point here is I for a long time have predicted that Microsoft will rent 
Windows by the month or by the year. Could they start this with Vista? Would 
it surprise anyone if they did? They have already built into the all 
versions DVD idea, the ability to upgrade your version of Vista. Can you see 
where this is going? It is a sneaky way to get your credit card number.


With all versions on one DVD now I am wondering how I, the OEM, will pay for 
the version of Vista I choose to install on new computers I build. Perhaps 
each kit will have an unlock code installed by the distributor? Or who 
knows? Somehow I get the feeling that Microsoft will want my credit card 
number. It would not surprise me if Microsoft eliminates any OEM who does 
not sell at least 100 computers per month. I am looking around for a job, 
the same as any employee who feels a firing coming on would do. I do not 
trust Daddy Bill Gates or his clan!


The scary part is at any moment, Microsoft could press a few control buttons 
and destroy Microsoft Windows on any computer in the world that is online, 
or all of them, unless you have a third party firewall that keeps Microsoft 
out.


Chuck 

Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

[Stan Zaske]

Glad to hear you're content but Microsoft will destroy "open 
source"/free any way it possibly can! The Walmart of the software 
industry without the low prices! Long live Linux!


Greg Sevart wrote:

Well...
1. VMware started it by offering GSX for free.
2. MS still has nothing to compare to ESX server. ESX is all I would 
ever use in a (virtual) production environment.


Greg

- Original Message - From: Stan Zaske
To: The Hardware List
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free


Free? Only until MS drives VMWare out of business!


Chris Reeves wrote:
While they contend not in response to VMWare, etc. it's still the same 
end result: the product has been made free of charge for use.


http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/default.mspx

CW

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Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

[Greg Sevart]

Well...
1. VMware started it by offering GSX for free.
2. MS still has nothing to compare to ESX server. ESX is all I would ever 
use in a (virtual) production environment.


Greg

- Original Message - 
From: Stan Zaske

To: The Hardware List
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free


Free? Only until MS drives VMWare out of business!


Chris Reeves wrote:
While they contend not in response to VMWare, etc. it's still the same end 
result: the product has been made free of charge for use.


http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/default.mspx

CW

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Re: [H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

[Stan Zaske]

Free? Only until MS drives VMWare out of business!


Chris Reeves wrote:

  
  
  
  
  While they contend not in
response to VMWare, etc. it’s
still the same end result: the product has been made free of charge for
use.
   
  http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/default.mspx
   
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[H] MS Makes VirtualServer 2005 R2 Free

[Chris Reeves]

While they contend not in response to VMWare, etc. it’s
still the same end result: the product has been made free of charge for use.

 

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/virtualserver/default.mspx

 

CW