Re: [H] New AGP video card
Yikes, $2000 or $3000! It would have to last at least 5 years of game play and support 2-4 high rez displays in something like Crysis to command that price! Steve wrote: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6336 - Original Message - From: j maccraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [H] New AGP video card A lowly old Nforce2 XP2800 system I built back in 2004. Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
Re: [H] New AGP video card
j maccraw wrote: :: Well all I can say after switching from a fried 9800 :: (that ATI wouldn't :: warranty) to a X850XT is WOW!. Older R481 but still :: 256-bit memory :: unlike the 128-bit 1650 garbage. :: What kind of system did you put that into? I'm still debating if I want to spend money on my current systems (3.06 GHz P4 and a 3.0 GHz P4). :: Just wish I had waited a few more weeks. When I :: finally had the bread :: this Xmas to fix my 1.5yr dead 9800 system it didn't :: look like the AGP :: 1950 was going to be $300 so I bought the Sapphire :: 850XT for $200. :: :: What a nightmare, on top of the 1950 price dropping, I :: was the victim of :: a Sapphire packaging error that left me with a 850Pro :: in XT box. Just :: got my replacement card last week. I might upgrade one at $150, if that's possible. :: :: Anthony Q. Martin wrote: ::: What's really sad is that my ATI 9800 Pro doesn't :: even show up on that ::: long, long list! ::: ::: j maccraw wrote: Performance wise it's x850XT, X1800, X1900, then :: X1950 Pro which AFAIK is the highest model for AGP. The :: x1650 is a waste lagging behind even the X800. http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html ::: ::: :: :: :: :: :: The fish are biting. :: Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. :: http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
Re: [H] New AGP video card
A lowly old Nforce2 XP2800 system I built back in 2004. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: j maccraw wrote: :: Well all I can say after switching from a fried 9800 :: (that ATI wouldn't :: warranty) to a X850XT is WOW!. Older R481 but still :: 256-bit memory :: unlike the 128-bit 1650 garbage. :: What kind of system did you put that into? I'm still debating if I want to spend money on my current systems (3.06 GHz P4 and a 3.0 GHz P4). We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265
Re: [H] New AGP video card
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6336 - Original Message - From: j maccraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [H] New AGP video card A lowly old Nforce2 XP2800 system I built back in 2004. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: j maccraw wrote: :: Well all I can say after switching from a fried 9800 :: (that ATI wouldn't :: warranty) to a X850XT is WOW!. Older R481 but still :: 256-bit memory :: unlike the 128-bit 1650 garbage. :: What kind of system did you put that into? I'm still debating if I want to spend money on my current systems (3.06 GHz P4 and a 3.0 GHz P4). We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 05/03/2007 09:41
Re: [H] New AGP video card
NVIDIA prices the new Quadro FX 4600 at $1995 and the Quadro FX 5600 at $2999. Steve wrote: :: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6336 :: :: - Original Message - :: From: j maccraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com :: Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:19 PM :: Subject: Re: [H] New AGP video card :: :: ::: A lowly old Nforce2 XP2800 system I built back in ::: 2004. ::: ::: Anthony Q. Martin wrote: j maccraw wrote: :: Well all I can say after switching from a fried ::: 9800 :: (that ATI wouldn't :: warranty) to a X850XT is WOW!. Older R481 but ::: still :: 256-bit memory :: unlike the 128-bit 1650 garbage. :: What kind of system did you put that into? I'm ::: still debating if I want to spend money on my current systems (3.06 GHz P4 ::: and a 3.0 GHz P4). ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love ::: (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ::: http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ::: ::: ::: -- ::: No virus found in this incoming message. ::: Checked by AVG Free Edition. ::: Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: ::: 05/03/2007 09:41
Re: [H] New AGP video card
Winterlight wrote: If you aren't interested in major gaming, no point in spending any more cash. I went for the x1650Pro in my HTPC. true, but if I keep this PC for a few years I will probably wish I had the fastest available video card. I notice the X1950 aren't made by ATI does that really matter? But that speed only matters when gaming and if you aren't gaming then it's unrealized speed. Then it's not really the fastest available
RE: [H] New AGP video card
At 06:21 PM 3/4/2007, you wrote: The X1650Pro would be sufficient. All you need is one dual-link TMDS transmitter and one single-link TMDS transmitter (for a 30 WQXGA and a simultaneous lesser monitor). I'm pretty sure that all 1650's are at least one dual and one single, but I know some are dual dual-link. well, ATI told me my 800XT would only work with one DVI monitor and one TV or two SVGA monitors / no TV or one DVI and one SVGA / no TV So you are saying that a slower card will do this because it is a dual link? Yes. GPU speed is completely independent of output capability. As time has gone by, more cards (even slow ones) have become dual-link and even dual dual-link capable. The 30 WQXGA doesn't just require DVI, it requires dual-link DVI. That is not to be confused with dual DVI outputs. Dual-link DVI is essentially two outputs within a single connector. To run two monitors, you need one dual-link output (for the 30) and another output that is at least single-link. The chip is fast enough to play some games, but it would be slower than your X800XT. Really?!? I am really surprised. My AIW 800XT card is 17 months old. I don't know if I want to get something that is slower then my AIW. I think I would rather pay the extra money and get the X1950PRO, since I will be keeping this for a while. Thanks for telling me. So you like the ATI better then the Nivida Yeah, I think so...really, about the only time I go with Nvidia cards are when I'm building on Nvidia chipsets. For Intel or AMD/ATI chipsets, I typically would go with ATI. I haven't encountered any incompatibilities, but I just prefer to match them up. :) The x1650 Pro is pretty evenly matched against the 7600GS, and both are beaten by your x800xt. But both are SM3 parts, whereas your x800xt is SM2 (SM=Shader Model) If you aren't interested in major gaming, no point in spending any more cash. I went for the x1650Pro in my HTPC. true, but if I keep this PC for a few years I will probably wish I had the fastest available video card. I notice the X1950 aren't made by ATI does that really matter? No. About the only real departure from reference designs anymore is in the thermal solution. If you're really planning on running this for a while, though, you may as well wait for nVidia's 8600 (DirectX 10) AGP card next month. :) Greg
RE: [H] New AGP video card
Yes. GPU speed is completely independent of output capability. As time has gone by, more cards (even slow ones) have become dual-link and even dual dual-link capable. The 30 WQXGA doesn't just require DVI, it requires dual-link DVI. That is not to be confused with dual DVI outputs. Dual-link DVI is essentially two outputs within a single connector. To run two monitors, you need one dual-link output (for the 30) and another output tha well that is good to know, so you prefer the ATI cards over the Nvidia for your HD out then? I am having problems getting my TV out to work on my 800XT AIW. I have the component block for TV out hooked up to my AIW but I can't get anything on my Sony Vega. I have a DVI cable from the 800XT to my Dell monitor, then I have the ATI HD component block going to one of the ports of my Sony, which is not HD. I have a completely separate Matrox G450 PCI hooked up to a Mitsubishi 2040u CRT. I have the Dell, the 2040u and the 2nd ATI monitor enabled. I have set up TV setting in Catalyst control for the ATI 2nd monitor. But I am not getting TV out. I am use to using Matrox cards for this which is very easy to do, it is all automatic, once you enable dual monitors and DVD MAX it automatically outputs any video broadcast to the TV. You can hotkey a switch to a clone your display. But with ATI I don't understand how it is suppose to work. right now the TV appears to be acting as a third monitor ... I can drag things to it, I can drag a video player to it, but everything is blue tinged and no audio. how is this suppose to work? Thanks!
Re: [H] New AGP video card
But that speed only matters when gaming and if you aren't gaming then it's unrealized speed. Then it's not really the fastest available This is true, but in the last 4 years I started buying at the top end, and I don't upgrade very often. When I built the Xeon box I debated whether to go for the 2.8GHz or 3.56 Ghz. The 3.56 was the fastest available for this board, and what sold me was that it was in the 3000s ...which is not much of a reason. The difference in cost was substantiallike $375 on a $950 purchase. But four years later I am really glad I went with the high end CPUs because I am perfectly happy with the performance, and I will probably run this until something dies on the Asus motherboard. And if I hadn't of gotten the fastest Xeons for the board, I would be looking to upgrade now I kind of feel the same way about the video card. The AGP is old technology but for this setup, which I intend to keep for many years, I might as well get the fastest card so that if I do want to play a modern game I am not locked out by performance. So do you think it matters that the ATI 1950 AGPs aren't actually made by ATI? Do you think for that reason I would be better off with the 1650? Do you like ATI over Nvidia for what I will be doing with it?
Re: [H] New AGP video card
Performance wise it's x850XT, X1800, X1900, then X1950 Pro which AFAIK is the highest model for AGP. The x1650 is a waste lagging behind even the X800. http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html Greg Sevart wrote: The X1650Pro would be sufficient. All you need is one dual-link TMDS transmitter and one single-link TMDS transmitter (for a 30 WQXGA and a simultaneous lesser monitor). I'm pretty sure that all 1650's are at least one dual and one single, but I know some are dual dual-link. The chip is fast enough to play some games, but it would be slower than your X800XT. Unlike your x800xt though, it is a Shader Model 3.0 part. If you aren't interested in major gaming, no point in spending any more cash. I went for the x1650Pro in my HTPC. Greg Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
Re: [H] New AGP video card
At 01:31 PM 3/5/2007, you wrote: Performance wise it's x850XT, X1800, X1900, then X1950 Pro which AFAIK is the highest model for AGP. The x1650 is a waste lagging behind even the X800. http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html Cool chart! Anybody know of something like this for modern CPUs?
Re: [H] New AGP video card
What's really sad is that my ATI 9800 Pro doesn't even show up on that long, long list! j maccraw wrote: Performance wise it's x850XT, X1800, X1900, then X1950 Pro which AFAIK is the highest model for AGP. The x1650 is a waste lagging behind even the X800. http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html
Re: [H] New AGP video card
I must admit that I agree with you on the CPU...I can never get enough and I always try to buy as much as I can afford. I'm also like you with games...I want to be able to play one every once in a while, but the fact is I don't. I have a stack of old games sitting in here unopened and unplayed, all because of my hidden desire to be a gamer and enjoy the latest and greatest. But these days, now that the cost of the BEST card is up near $500 or so, one has to rethink that, especially since such cards offer NO advantage that I know of outside of gaming while boosting the need for a seriously big wattage PS. I'm thinking there is a much better way to spend the money - such as a better display. If you're the one getting the 30inch Dell, then ok! If you've still got money then that's cool, too. But if you need to consider other goodies which enhance life, I'd like to put those $$$ elsewhere. Me, I have this serious cycling habit these days which can be a serious money sink! :) I'm not sure I'd buy on the bottom of the pile, either, though, even though I'm using an ancient vid-card these days and still not suffering outside of gaming. I have ATI at home and nVidia at work, I see no real difference. Winterlight wrote: But that speed only matters when gaming and if you aren't gaming then it's unrealized speed. Then it's not really the fastest available This is true, but in the last 4 years I started buying at the top end, and I don't upgrade very often. When I built the Xeon box I debated whether to go for the 2.8GHz or 3.56 Ghz. The 3.56 was the fastest available for this board, and what sold me was that it was in the 3000s ...which is not much of a reason. The difference in cost was substantiallike $375 on a $950 purchase. But four years later I am really glad I went with the high end CPUs because I am perfectly happy with the performance, and I will probably run this until something dies on the Asus motherboard. And if I hadn't of gotten the fastest Xeons for the board, I would be looking to upgrade now I kind of feel the same way about the video card. The AGP is old technology but for this setup, which I intend to keep for many years, I might as well get the fastest card so that if I do want to play a modern game I am not locked out by performance. So do you think it matters that the ATI 1950 AGPs aren't actually made by ATI? Do you think for that reason I would be better off with the 1650? Do you like ATI over Nvidia for what I will be doing with it?
Re: [H] New AGP video card
At 02:12 PM 3/5/2007, you wrote: I must admit that I agree with you on the CPU...I can never get enough and I always try to buy as much as I can afford. I'm also like you with games...I want to be able to play one every once in a while, but the fact is I don't. I have a stack of old games sitting in here unopened and unplayed, all because of my hidden desire to be a gamer and enjoy the latest and greatest. you too huh? But these days, now that the cost of the BEST card is up near $500 or so, Well, that is the thing here. The cheap is 120, and the best AGP is 240. so it isn't that much money. AGP old tech, so I might as well go with the best. But as far as I can tell ATI doesn't even make a AGP 1950 other manufacturers do with the chipset. So my question is will this matter? What about drivers, and TV out? if I bought one of these, will it matter? HIS Hightech H195PRQT512DDAN-R Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X IceQ3 Turbo HDCP Video Card - Retail DIAMOND X1950PRO512AGP Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail HIS Hightech H195PRF512DDAN-R Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Video Card - Retail SAPPHIRE 100171L Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Video Card - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?SrchInDesc=AGPPage=1N=0Submit=ENENty=1Description=X1950PRO+512MBNtk=all
Re: [H] New AGP video card
Well, that is the thing here. The cheap is 120, and the best AGP is 240. so it isn't that much money. AGP old tech, so I might as well go with the best. But as far as I can tell ATI doesn't even make a AGP 1950 other manufacturers do with the chipset. So my question is will this matter? What about drivers, and TV out? if I bought one of these, will it matter? HIS Hightech H195PRQT512DDAN-R Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X IceQ3 Turbo HDCP Video Card - Retail DIAMOND X1950PRO512AGP Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail HIS Hightech H195PRF512DDAN-R Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Video Card - Retail SAPPHIRE 100171L Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Video Card - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?SrchInDesc=AGPPage=1N=0Submit=ENENty=1Description=X1950PRO+512MBNtk=all Did you check to see when the last driver release was? I find I rarely need any driver updates. In fact, I haven't updated my ATI drivers in quite some time. I just keep the download ones in a folder and use it when I rebuild/reformat. If they have some decently stable drivers now I wouldn't worry too much about it, unless I were moving to Vista. At $250 I'd consider it for a new system. Also, I think ATI has to provide updated drivers as long as vendors offer products that continue to sell to customers. Otherwise, vendors who move cards and buy chipsets get upset. Driver development must eventually halt to allow effort on newer stuff. The X1950 is far from obsolete, AFAIK. BTW, I could not find the X1950Pro 512 on the list. Did you see it there? How does it compare to the PCI-express version?
RE: [H] New AGP video card
Well, that is the thing here. The cheap is 120, and the best AGP is 240. so it isn't that much money. AGP old tech, so I might as well go with the best. But as far as I can tell ATI doesn't even make a AGP 1950 other manufacturers do with the chipset. So my question is will this matter? What about drivers, and TV out? if I bought one of these, will it matter? HIS Hightech H195PRQT512DDAN-R Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X IceQ3 Turbo HDCP Video Card - Retail DIAMOND X1950PRO512AGP Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail HIS Hightech H195PRF512DDAN-R Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Video Card - Retail SAPPHIRE 100171L Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Video Card - Retail Branding is almost entirely irrelevant. Sapphire has actually produced some of the ATI-branded cards anyway. Just pick the one with the thermal solution you like the best. Again, though, nVidia's G80-based (G84, technically) AGP 8600 is due out next month. This brings DirectX 10 support to the table for Vista, and it _should_ beat the x1950pro pretty handily. It is anticipated to run around $190-200. Greg
Re: [H] New AGP video card
Well all I can say after switching from a fried 9800 (that ATI wouldn't warranty) to a X850XT is WOW!. Older R481 but still 256-bit memory unlike the 128-bit 1650 garbage. Just wish I had waited a few more weeks. When I finally had the bread this Xmas to fix my 1.5yr dead 9800 system it didn't look like the AGP 1950 was going to be $300 so I bought the Sapphire 850XT for $200. What a nightmare, on top of the 1950 price dropping, I was the victim of a Sapphire packaging error that left me with a 850Pro in XT box. Just got my replacement card last week. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: What's really sad is that my ATI 9800 Pro doesn't even show up on that long, long list! j maccraw wrote: Performance wise it's x850XT, X1800, X1900, then X1950 Pro which AFAIK is the highest model for AGP. The x1650 is a waste lagging behind even the X800. http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
[H] New AGP video card
I have a dual 3.56 dual Xeon that I am not going to upgrade any time soon. However, it has a AGP 8 slot in it that currently is using a All in Wonder 800XT. The TV tuner quality is so poor it is worthless. It does allow me to capture from my digital cable modem, and that quality is very good. I am not a gamer, but I would like a Dell 30 inch monitor. For that I will need a different video card. Then I will probably try a Haupage 350 as the TV turner unless somebody can recommend something better. HD turner is out of the question for me because there is no over the air broadcasts...reception is pretty much non existent outside of the local station. I thought I would start looking for the best ATI or Nivida AGP card available, in as it will be my last upgrade to this Xeon PC. I understand that would be either a 7600GS or a ATI X1950. I can get one of these three 7600 AGP 512MB cards at Newegg for around $150 XFX PV-T73K-YAL3 GeForce 7600GS 512MB GDDR2 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail BFG Tech BFGR76512GSOC GeForce 7600GS 512MB GDDR2 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail View Pic PNY VCG76512SAPB GeForce 7600GS 512MB GDDR2 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?SrchInDesc=AGP%20512MBPage=1Nty=1N=0Submit=ENEDescription=7600gsNtk=all Or an ATI X1950 512MB AGP in the 250 to $290 range, but none of them made by ATI HIS Hightech H195PRQT512DDAN-R Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X IceQ3 Turbo HDCP Video Card - Retail DIAMOND X1950PRO512AGP Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail HIS Hightech H195PRF512DDAN-R Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Video Card - Retail SAPPHIRE 100171L Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Video Card - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?SrchInDesc=AGPPage=1N=0Submit=ENENty=1Description=X1950PRO+512MBNtk=all Then today, I see a Circuit City sale on a ATI Radeon X1650 Pro 512MB card at $120, Newegg wants 190 for this card. The 1650 would drive a 30 inch monitor. I have no idea how it would work on games. And I have been using ATI All in Wonders for so long I don't know what I should get in a straight video card. I want to be able to capture stuff from my Cox Digital cable modem, and I want multi monitor support, or just the ability to allow me to install my PCI Matrox G450 cards, or some other PCI cards. And it would be nice to have stability, and the ability to update video drivers without worrying about toasting my system. So what should I spend my money on. When it comes to video cards I am always confused, so I turn to the expertise of the collective. thanks
RE: [H] New AGP video card
The X1650Pro would be sufficient. All you need is one dual-link TMDS transmitter and one single-link TMDS transmitter (for a 30 WQXGA and a simultaneous lesser monitor). I'm pretty sure that all 1650's are at least one dual and one single, but I know some are dual dual-link. The chip is fast enough to play some games, but it would be slower than your X800XT. Unlike your x800xt though, it is a Shader Model 3.0 part. If you aren't interested in major gaming, no point in spending any more cash. I went for the x1650Pro in my HTPC. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:43 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] New AGP video card I have a dual 3.56 dual Xeon that I am not going to upgrade any time soon. However, it has a AGP 8 slot in it that currently is using a All in Wonder 800XT. The TV tuner quality is so poor it is worthless. It does allow me to capture from my digital cable modem, and that quality is very good. I am not a gamer, but I would like a Dell 30 inch monitor. For that I will need a different video card. Then I will probably try a Haupage 350 as the TV turner unless somebody can recommend something better. HD turner is out of the question for me because there is no over the air broadcasts...reception is pretty much non existent outside of the local station. I thought I would start looking for the best ATI or Nivida AGP card available, in as it will be my last upgrade to this Xeon PC. I understand that would be either a 7600GS or a ATI X1950. I can get one of these three 7600 AGP 512MB cards at Newegg for around $150 XFX PV-T73K-YAL3 GeForce 7600GS 512MB GDDR2 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail BFG Tech BFGR76512GSOC GeForce 7600GS 512MB GDDR2 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail View Pic PNY VCG76512SAPB GeForce 7600GS 512MB GDDR2 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?SrchInDesc=AGP%20512MBPa ge=1Nty=1N=0Submit=ENEDescription=7600gsNtk=all Or an ATI X1950 512MB AGP in the 250 to $290 range, but none of them made by ATI HIS Hightech H195PRQT512DDAN-R Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X IceQ3 Turbo HDCP Video Card - Retail DIAMOND X1950PRO512AGP Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail HIS Hightech H195PRF512DDAN-R Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Video Card - Retail SAPPHIRE 100171L Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X HDCP Video Card - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?SrchInDesc=AGPPage=1N=0 Submit=ENENty=1Description=X1950PRO+512MBNtk=all Then today, I see a Circuit City sale on a ATI Radeon X1650 Pro 512MB card at $120, Newegg wants 190 for this card. The 1650 would drive a 30 inch monitor. I have no idea how it would work on games. And I have been using ATI All in Wonders for so long I don't know what I should get in a straight video card. I want to be able to capture stuff from my Cox Digital cable modem, and I want multi monitor support, or just the ability to allow me to install my PCI Matrox G450 cards, or some other PCI cards. And it would be nice to have stability, and the ability to update video drivers without worrying about toasting my system. So what should I spend my money on. When it comes to video cards I am always confused, so I turn to the expertise of the collective. thanks
RE: [H] New AGP video card
At 06:21 PM 3/4/2007, you wrote: The X1650Pro would be sufficient. All you need is one dual-link TMDS transmitter and one single-link TMDS transmitter (for a 30 WQXGA and a simultaneous lesser monitor). I'm pretty sure that all 1650's are at least one dual and one single, but I know some are dual dual-link. well, ATI told me my 800XT would only work with one DVI monitor and one TV or two SVGA monitors / no TV or one DVI and one SVGA / no TV So you are saying that a slower card will do this because it is a dual link? The chip is fast enough to play some games, but it would be slower than your X800XT. Really?!? I am really surprised. My AIW 800XT card is 17 months old. I don't know if I want to get something that is slower then my AIW. I think I would rather pay the extra money and get the X1950PRO, since I will be keeping this for a while. Thanks for telling me. So you like the ATI better then the Nivida If you aren't interested in major gaming, no point in spending any more cash. I went for the x1650Pro in my HTPC. true, but if I keep this PC for a few years I will probably wish I had the fastest available video card. I notice the X1950 aren't made by ATI does that really matter? Greg
