RE: [H] NuMachine
Disabling the wireless on a wireless router is easy; and if disabled in BIOS is not enough, most of them have removable antenna ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhs Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 1:45 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] NuMachine jmaccraw, Completely accept your comments. I do know that my RT-314 is very long of tooth. Damn, it was fast! Ok, I'll go look at, maybe, the DLink DGL-4100. I'll save the RT-314 for my Sister when she caves in to the two nephews need for broadband. (I believe the ruleset in the old box is still good, sort of!) Accept your position re wireless. I am just not there yet. I am not a fan of setting my home up as a mini-broadcast station. Understand the proper setup business. If I thought proper setup was a pedestrian, we would not be having this discussion; I'd already be wireless! Oh, I do NOT use Cell Phones either. I know, how Dinosaur! Yes, I may be doing something truly stupid by current standards, but on a limited income/budget, I'm looking for contemporary solutions using OLD hdw as a bridge/bandaid. I am retired and have a house full of OLD spare hdw to do something with! A new router/firewall box will cost $. Fine. So will the CC solution in the end. If I end up with a reasonably soiid firewall/gateway for my old lan, all is OK and I'm $ forward. The CC solution exposes me to Linux. A good thing I think. It has been 6 years now and about time I played with it, at least. Best, Duncan On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:21 , jmaccraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: You can turn off the wireless portion FWIW Duncan! That said WPA is much better than WEP and as a paranoid I do not fear using it if properly set up. The Netgear RT314 was good hardware (so was the RP114, I have 3 laying around) based on ZyXel's unit but lacks SPI AFAIK. What you are proposing is overkill given solutions like the WRT54GS and Asus w500's with a 3rd party linux firmware, but to each his own... dhs wrote: jmaccrar, Chris, Hayes, Ben, Bryan, I do realize that most of you have moved on to wireless lans. I have NOT. I still do not find wireless secure. Excuse me. Yes, I do see that wireless has gotten better. Not better enough for me yet. I do accept that I might be a late acceptor. I have a wired lan. Will continue to have a wired lan. No plans to change in the immediate future. Hell, I'm still doing my cat5e drawings for this house! This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
Re: [H] NuMachine
dhs wrote: jmaccrar, Chris, Hayes, Ben, Bryan, I do realize that most of you have moved on to wireless lans. I have NOT. I still do not find wireless secure. Excuse me. Yes, I do see that wireless has gotten better. Not better enough for me yet. I do accept that I might be a late acceptor. That makes two of us. So we're in good company. :) Never felt the need to curl up on the couch with my lappy. best, al truly dangerous with a screwdriver http://www.alanger.net
Re: [H] NuMachine
Get the 4300. It's the exact same as the 4100 but with a wireless option that you can easily turn off. That way when you become comfortable with using wireless, all you need to do is enable it again. From: dhs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] NuMachine Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:09:47 Hayes, Noticed and visited your link re DLink. Was a wireless solution. Did find the DGL-4100, which seems to be the wired brother to your rec. It may be the solution. Really hate to retire a very solid RT-314. But, ... :)
Re: [H] NuMachine
jmaccrar, Chris, Hayes, Ben, Bryan, I do realize that most of you have moved on to wireless lans. I have NOT. I still do not find wireless secure. Excuse me. Yes, I do see that wireless has gotten better. Not better enough for me yet. I do accept that I might be a late acceptor. I have a wired lan. Will continue to have a wired lan. No plans to change in the immediate future. Hell, I'm still doing my cat5e drawings for this house! Hayes, Noticed and visited your link re DLink. Was a wireless solution. Did find the DGL-4100, which seems to be the wired brother to your rec. It may be the solution. Really hate to retire a very solid RT-314. But, ... :) Can I hire someone with Nero and a fast broadband connection for a download and record of a bootable CD/ISO? I'm willing to kiss a w2K machine goodbye and give that Clark Connect business a whirl. Read the quick install/start-up pdf a read. Does not look too painfull to me. I'd even think about getting a 40GB eide hd for (machX) if doable, and let it be CC/RHLinux. Great suggestions! Days of thoughts! This group is tops! Best, Duncan On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:00 , jmaccraw [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: For something that simple just pickup a linksys wrt54GS ver 4 or lower on ebay (or Asus, Belkin, etc...),load openWRT on it, and leave anything beyond fw/Nat-router to another system. Less power consumption, space, headaches. dhs wrote: I've put together some hdw for a new machine (machx). The intent of this machine is to sit between a dsl router (old) and my lan switch. I do not yet know what this machine would be, but I do know what I expect it to do. I want it to be a hdw firewall for my lan AND be a gateway or maybe a proxy to the dsl router from my lan-side machines. This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
Re: [H] NuMachine
You can turn off the wireless portion FWIW Duncan! That said WPA is much better than WEP and as a paranoid I do not fear using it if properly set up. The Netgear RT314 was good hardware (so was the RP114, I have 3 laying around) based on ZyXel's unit but lacks SPI AFAIK. What you are proposing is overkill given solutions like the WRT54GS and Asus w500's with a 3rd party linux firmware, but to each his own... dhs wrote: jmaccrar, Chris, Hayes, Ben, Bryan, I do realize that most of you have moved on to wireless lans. I have NOT. I still do not find wireless secure. Excuse me. Yes, I do see that wireless has gotten better. Not better enough for me yet. I do accept that I might be a late acceptor. I have a wired lan. Will continue to have a wired lan. No plans to change in the immediate future. Hell, I'm still doing my cat5e drawings for this house!
RE: [H] NuMachine
The ASUS solution is slick - but at $260, considering he has a spare box laying around, any of the distros listed here (free) accomplish the same feet.. printer sharing, SAMBA, etc. But the Asus solution is a sign of what's coming down the pipe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 12:19 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] NuMachine From: Bryan Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] NuMachine Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 23:35:35 -0400 On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 at 10:51:28PM +, dhs wrote: Thanks guys. Am I doing a gateway or just a hdw firewall? Or, will it be a gateway w/firewall? Sounds like a NAT box with firewall and QOS capabilities is what you want :) -- Bryan G. Seitz http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=370#DGL-4300 Don't let the bullet points on it's gaming capabilities fool the seasoned network guru into thinking this is anything less then a full fledged SPI hardware firewall with incredible features for the price. Up on the horizon (actually quite a few are out or models already announced): Complete gateway/router appliances w/ print servers and NAS (up to 1TB). Download bittorents with your computer powered off. http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/939/
Re: [H] NuMachine
For something that simple just pickup a linksys wrt54GS ver 4 or lower on ebay (or Asus, Belkin, etc...),load openWRT on it, and leave anything beyond fw/Nat-router to another system. Less power consumption, space, headaches. dhs wrote: I've put together some hdw for a new machine (machx). The intent of this machine is to sit between a dsl router (old) and my lan switch. I do not yet know what this machine would be, but I do know what I expect it to do. I want it to be a hdw firewall for my lan AND be a gateway or maybe a proxy to the dsl router from my lan-side machines.
[H] NuMachine
I've put together some hdw for a new machine (machx). The intent of this machine is to sit between a dsl router (old) and my lan switch. I do not yet know what this machine would be, but I do know what I expect it to do. I want it to be a hdw firewall for my lan AND be a gateway or maybe a proxy to the dsl router from my lan-side machines. It seems that the recent merger of ATT and Bell South has caused dsl rates to drop locally. I may yet get back to broadband. I do not have the money to buy a bunch of new hardware. First, is this a doable task? Second, Is there other sw I might need? Third, Are there special tweaks I need to do to win2Kpro to enable this? So far, machx is up and running win2kprosp4, has a matrox mill2 vid card, my promise u133tx card w/maxtor 40GB drive (4x9GB partitions), and an old Intel pro/100+ dual port server adapter. I have CA AV running and spywareblaster 3.5.1. The planned firewall sw will be Kerio PF v2.1.5. The current lan-side addy is 10.0.0.6/255.255.255.0. The current wan-side addy is 192.168.1.2/255.255.255.252. The router addy would be 192.168.1.1/255.255.255.252 I have not unpacked the old router yet cuz I'd like to know whether this might work, or just an exercise in futility. Priced boxes like SonicWall. Can not afford to play! Thanks, Duncan This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
RE: [H] NuMachine
Win2k Pro will make for an eh solution for this. It can be done, but it's fair work. Have you looked at free, easily configured Linux based FW distros? Something like ClarkConnect (http://www.clarkconnect.com/) has a free (HOME ISO) version that runs, works like a perfect firewall with tons of features. (Hell, the free version still includes slick services). I'd recommend that before I'd recommend trying to beat around with Win2k and do a box that way. Something like Clark will run on a P2/128MB/dual NIC PC. So you don't need much of anything. CW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhs Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:41 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] NuMachine I've put together some hdw for a new machine (machx). The intent of this machine is to sit between a dsl router (old) and my lan switch. I do not yet know what this machine would be, but I do know what I expect it to do. I want it to be a hdw firewall for my lan AND be a gateway or maybe a proxy to the dsl router from my lan-side machines. It seems that the recent merger of ATT and Bell South has caused dsl rates to drop locally. I may yet get back to broadband. I do not have the money to buy a bunch of new hardware. First, is this a doable task? Second, Is there other sw I might need? Third, Are there special tweaks I need to do to win2Kpro to enable this? So far, machx is up and running win2kprosp4, has a matrox mill2 vid card, my promise u133tx card w/maxtor 40GB drive (4x9GB partitions), and an old Intel pro/100+ dual port server adapter. I have CA AV running and spywareblaster 3.5.1. The planned firewall sw will be Kerio PF v2.1.5. The current lan-side addy is 10.0.0.6/255.255.255.0. The current wan-side addy is 192.168.1.2/255.255.255.252. The router addy would be 192.168.1.1/255.255.255.252 I have not unpacked the old router yet cuz I'd like to know whether this might work, or just an exercise in futility. Priced boxes like SonicWall. Can not afford to play! Thanks, Duncan This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
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I'd say hell with padding the pockets of power companies with an extra PC eating up cycles 24/7 when a cheap router/firewall gateway appliance from linksys/dlink/whatever at compusa will do the job just fine. The D-Link DGL gaming routers are terrific, QoS for the masses and the gaming port configs are very easy to setup for a layman. From: Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] NuMachine Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:32:05 -0400 Pick up a $20 Dell Optiplex GX1 from retrobox.com, slap a copy of pfSense on it, and voila, instant firewall. If you want things like file/print sharing then SME server is a good idea. http://contribs.org Personally, I hate the idea of so much stuff living on a firewall box. Chris Reeves wrote: Win2k Pro will make for an eh solution for this. It can be done, but it's fair work. Have you looked at free, easily configured Linux based FW distros? Something like ClarkConnect (http://www.clarkconnect.com/) has a free (HOME ISO) version that runs, works like a perfect firewall with tons of features. (Hell, the free version still includes slick services). I'd recommend that before I'd recommend trying to beat around with Win2k and do a box that way. Something like Clark will run on a P2/128MB/dual NIC PC. So you don't need much of anything. CW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhs Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:41 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] NuMachine I've put together some hdw for a new machine (machx). The intent of this machine is to sit between a dsl router (old) and my lan switch. I do not yet know what this machine would be, but I do know what I expect it to do. I want it to be a hdw firewall for my lan AND be a gateway or maybe a proxy to the dsl router from my lan-side machines. It seems that the recent merger of ATT and Bell South has caused dsl rates to drop locally. I may yet get back to broadband. I do not have the money to buy a bunch of new hardware. First, is this a doable task? Second, Is there other sw I might need? Third, Are there special tweaks I need to do to win2Kpro to enable this? So far, machx is up and running win2kprosp4, has a matrox mill2 vid card, my promise u133tx card w/maxtor 40GB drive (4x9GB partitions), and an old Intel pro/100+ dual port server adapter. I have CA AV running and spywareblaster 3.5.1. The planned firewall sw will be Kerio PF v2.1.5. The current lan-side addy is 10.0.0.6/255.255.255.0. The current wan-side addy is 192.168.1.2/255.255.255.252. The router addy would be 192.168.1.1/255.255.255.252 I have not unpacked the old router yet cuz I'd like to know whether this might work, or just an exercise in futility. Priced boxes like SonicWall. Can not afford to play! Thanks, Duncan This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
RE: [H] NuMachine
I just never saw the point in that. The thing is, pfSense is nice, but if that's all you get out of it, why wouldn't you just grab a Linksys GL series or a G (pre-v5) and upgrade it with Thibor or another freely available distro? Then you'd have all the features of pfSense and you would use a lot less juice and less hastle. If you're going to use a PC with a HDD, you might as well get good use out of the equipment you have on hand. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 4:32 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] NuMachine Pick up a $20 Dell Optiplex GX1 from retrobox.com, slap a copy of pfSense on it, and voila, instant firewall. If you want things like file/print sharing then SME server is a good idea. http://contribs.org Personally, I hate the idea of so much stuff living on a firewall box. Chris Reeves wrote: Win2k Pro will make for an eh solution for this. It can be done, but it's fair work. Have you looked at free, easily configured Linux based FW distros? Something like ClarkConnect (http://www.clarkconnect.com/) has a free (HOME ISO) version that runs, works like a perfect firewall with tons of features. (Hell, the free version still includes slick services). I'd recommend that before I'd recommend trying to beat around with Win2k and do a box that way. Something like Clark will run on a P2/128MB/dual NIC PC. So you don't need much of anything. CW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhs Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:41 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] NuMachine I've put together some hdw for a new machine (machx). The intent of this machine is to sit between a dsl router (old) and my lan switch. I do not yet know what this machine would be, but I do know what I expect it to do. I want it to be a hdw firewall for my lan AND be a gateway or maybe a proxy to the dsl router from my lan-side machines. It seems that the recent merger of ATT and Bell South has caused dsl rates to drop locally. I may yet get back to broadband. I do not have the money to buy a bunch of new hardware. First, is this a doable task? Second, Is there other sw I might need? Third, Are there special tweaks I need to do to win2Kpro to enable this? So far, machx is up and running win2kprosp4, has a matrox mill2 vid card, my promise u133tx card w/maxtor 40GB drive (4x9GB partitions), and an old Intel pro/100+ dual port server adapter. I have CA AV running and spywareblaster 3.5.1. The planned firewall sw will be Kerio PF v2.1.5. The current lan-side addy is 10.0.0.6/255.255.255.0. The current wan-side addy is 192.168.1.2/255.255.255.252. The router addy would be 192.168.1.1/255.255.255.252 I have not unpacked the old router yet cuz I'd like to know whether this might work, or just an exercise in futility. Priced boxes like SonicWall. Can not afford to play! Thanks, Duncan This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
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On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 at 05:32:05PM -0400, Ben Ruset wrote: Pick up a $20 Dell Optiplex GX1 from retrobox.com, slap a copy of pfSense on it, and voila, instant firewall. I am doing that with a gx110 or something similar. It kicks ass. My WRT54G kept falling over during heavy uhm... bit torrent times. Can't wait for 15Mbit down which is coming soon. -- Bryan G. Seitz
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Bryan/Ben, I'll go look at pfSense too. Already have a machine. Used a Dell Optiplex years ago w/NT4. Them damn things still for sale?!! Weird split mbs. Hard to kill. Hayes, I'll check out the werkz-in-a-boxDLlink you suggested. Really did not want to buy anything else. Was planning to use an old netgear rt314. Juice only costs $0.0735/kwh here. Chris, Will go check out the link you sent. Never done any linux. In any case, the 285MB iso will be tough to dl via dailup. Hmm. I'll check local for someone with highspeed. Thanks guys. Am I doing a gateway or just a hdw firewall? Or, will it be a gateway w/firewall? Best, Duncan On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:53 , Bryan Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 at 05:32:05PM -0400, Ben Ruset wrote: Pick up a $20 Dell Optiplex GX1 from retrobox.com, slap a copy of pfSense on it, and voila, instant firewall. I am doing that with a gx110 or something similar. It kicks ass. My WRT54G kept falling over during heavy uhm... bit torrent times. Can't wait for 15Mbit down which is coming soon. -- Bryan G. Seitz This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
Re: [H] NuMachine
On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 at 10:51:28PM +, dhs wrote: Thanks guys. Am I doing a gateway or just a hdw firewall? Or, will it be a gateway w/firewall? Sounds like a NAT box with firewall and QOS capabilities is what you want :) -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] NuMachine
I picked up a Neoware Linux Thin Client that I will be attempting to do either a m0n0wall or pfSense install on. My Linksys WRV54G firewall is nice, but I am looking for a change. Bryan Seitz wrote: On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 at 05:32:05PM -0400, Ben Ruset wrote: Pick up a $20 Dell Optiplex GX1 from retrobox.com, slap a copy of pfSense on it, and voila, instant firewall. I am doing that with a gx110 or something similar. It kicks ass. My WRT54G kept falling over during heavy uhm... bit torrent times. Can't wait for 15Mbit down which is coming soon.
Re: [H] NuMachine
From: Bryan Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] NuMachine Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 23:35:35 -0400 On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 at 10:51:28PM +, dhs wrote: Thanks guys. Am I doing a gateway or just a hdw firewall? Or, will it be a gateway w/firewall? Sounds like a NAT box with firewall and QOS capabilities is what you want :) -- Bryan G. Seitz http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=370#DGL-4300 Don't let the bullet points on it's gaming capabilities fool the seasoned network guru into thinking this is anything less then a full fledged SPI hardware firewall with incredible features for the price. Up on the horizon (actually quite a few are out or models already announced): Complete gateway/router appliances w/ print servers and NAS (up to 1TB). Download bittorents with your computer powered off. http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/939/
