Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-07 Thread Tim Lider
I agree with Christopher,

If you add a Start Menu replacement app Windows 8.1 is perfect. Runs faster 
then Windows 7 on the same hardware as well. 

Although, I prefer Start8, even though it cost $5.00.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Fisk
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 7:01 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

Frankly, just throw a start menu replacement into Windows 8 and use that.
IMO no reason to stay on 7 or try hunting down windows 7 installers if you're 
getting a windows 8 license with your PC anyways at this point.
Startisback has the button images already, if you prefer classicshell you can 
use the png from here:
http://www.paxinnovation.com/technology/restore-start-button-tweak-windows-8/




On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Thane Sherrington  
th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote:

 At 02:41 PM 05/07/2014, DSinc wrote:

 Thane,
 I may have to admit guilt for this. We had many conversations about 
 how long MS may continue to support Win7; and, how soon MS launched 
 W8 and W8.1. I still do not know, or,


 Windows 7 will be supported until April 2020 at a minimum, FWIW.

 T






[H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread DSinc
Forget Dell!!!  It looks like OB will order a Lenovo desktop PC of the 
M83 series. I will not know until
next Monday (post order), but after our last 3 phone conversations, I am 
pretty sure. Looks to be:

Lenovo mid-towercase
Intel Core i5-4570 processor
4GB (2x2GB dimms) DDR3 ram
500GB or 750GB em HD
Optical drive (burner)
M/B is unknown (could not find any internal pix)
PSU is not known
On-board NIC
Intel Centrino Advanced N6235 (wireless bluetooth trncvr)**
   **probably for the wireless KBD and Mouse(?)
On-board Intel graphics solution (but I suspect OB may plug in his 
(now!) spare

nVidia Geforce GT630.
Windows 8.1 PRO OS
--pluswhatever extra glop Lenovo puts/hides on the HD.

Thanks Collective. I truly appreciate all the help. OB may not wait 
until Monday. He is
quite jazzed about a display 'Lenovo' at his local Best Buy, So, maybe 
he will bend his

plastic on Sunday!
Thanks,
Duncan



Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread FORC5

more memory unless he went 32 bit IMO
onboard graphic are fine unless he games.

At 08:00 AM 7/5/2014, DSinc Poked the stick with:
Forget Dell!!!  It looks like OB will order a Lenovo desktop PC of 
the M83 series. I will not know until
next Monday (post order), but after our last 3 phone conversations, 
I am pretty sure. Looks to be:

Lenovo mid-towercase
Intel Core i5-4570 processor
4GB (2x2GB dimms) DDR3 ram
500GB or 750GB em HD
Optical drive (burner)
M/B is unknown (could not find any internal pix)
PSU is not known
On-board NIC
Intel Centrino Advanced N6235 (wireless bluetooth trncvr)**
   **probably for the wireless KBD and Mouse(?)
On-board Intel graphics solution (but I suspect OB may plug in his 
(now!) spare

nVidia Geforce GT630.
Windows 8.1 PRO OS
--pluswhatever extra glop Lenovo puts/hides on the HD.

Thanks Collective. I truly appreciate all the help. OB may not wait 
until Monday. He is
quite jazzed about a display 'Lenovo' at his local Best Buy, So, 
maybe he will bend his

plastic on Sunday!
Thanks,
Duncan


Date:  Saturday, July 5th, 2014

***Caution Tagline Below***
**Tallyho**
***
  Cat Game #10: Hide and go puke.
***












Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread Thane Sherrington

At 12:00 PM 05/07/2014, DSinc wrote:

Thanks Collective. I truly appreciate all the help. OB may not wait 
until Monday. He is
quite jazzed about a display 'Lenovo' at his local Best Buy, So, 
maybe he will bend his

plastic on Sunday!


Well, whomever buys at Best Buy deserves what he gets.  But I'd check 
the following:


Is the case tiny?  If so, it will run hot and his HD will die early.
Does the PS have plenty of power?
What's the cooling system look like?
How standard are the parts in it?  If something fails, doe he have to 
buy a Lenovo part?


T 






Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread Thane Sherrington

At 12:07 PM 05/07/2014, FORC5 wrote:

more memory unless he went 32 bit IMO


That's a good point.  I'd go 8 or 16GB myself these days, although 
for a the average user, 4 will do.


I'd also go to a 1TB drive - and avoid Seagate.

T



At 08:00 AM 7/5/2014, DSinc Poked the stick with:
Forget Dell!!!  It looks like OB will order a Lenovo desktop PC of 
the M83 series. I will not know until
next Monday (post order), but after our last 3 phone conversations, 
I am pretty sure. Looks to be:

Lenovo mid-towercase
Intel Core i5-4570 processor
4GB (2x2GB dimms) DDR3 ram
500GB or 750GB em HD
Optical drive (burner)
M/B is unknown (could not find any internal pix)
PSU is not known
On-board NIC
Intel Centrino Advanced N6235 (wireless bluetooth trncvr)**
   **probably for the wireless KBD and Mouse(?)
On-board Intel graphics solution (but I suspect OB may plug in his 
(now!) spare

nVidia Geforce GT630.
Windows 8.1 PRO OS
--pluswhatever extra glop Lenovo puts/hides on the HD.

Thanks Collective. I truly appreciate all the help. OB may not wait 
until Monday. He is
quite jazzed about a display 'Lenovo' at his local Best Buy, So, 
maybe he will bend his

plastic on Sunday!
Thanks,
Duncan


Date:  Saturday, July 5th, 2014

***Caution Tagline Below***
**Tallyho**
***
  Cat Game #10: Hide and go puke.
***















Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread DSinc

Fred,
Sorry. His OS will be Win8.1 PRO-64bit.
Duncan

On 07/05/2014 11:07, FORC5 wrote:

more memory unless he went 32 bit IMO
onboard graphic are fine unless he games.

At 08:00 AM 7/5/2014, DSinc Poked the stick with:
Forget Dell!!!  It looks like OB will order a Lenovo desktop PC of 
the M83 series. I will not know until
next Monday (post order), but after our last 3 phone conversations, I 
am pretty sure. Looks to be:

Lenovo mid-towercase
Intel Core i5-4570 processor
4GB (2x2GB dimms) DDR3 ram
500GB or 750GB em HD
Optical drive (burner)
M/B is unknown (could not find any internal pix)
PSU is not known
On-board NIC
Intel Centrino Advanced N6235 (wireless bluetooth trncvr)**
   **probably for the wireless KBD and Mouse(?)
On-board Intel graphics solution (but I suspect OB may plug in his 
(now!) spare

nVidia Geforce GT630.
Windows 8.1 PRO OS
--pluswhatever extra glop Lenovo puts/hides on the HD.

Thanks Collective. I truly appreciate all the help. OB may not wait 
until Monday. He is
quite jazzed about a display 'Lenovo' at his local Best Buy, So, 
maybe he will bend his

plastic on Sunday!
Thanks,
Duncan


Date:  Saturday, July 5th, 2014

***Caution Tagline Below***
**Tallyho**
***
  Cat Game #10: Hide and go puke.
***















Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread Thane Sherrington

At 12:55 PM 05/07/2014, DSinc wrote:

Fred,
Sorry. His OS will be Win8.1 PRO-64bit.


Any reason why he isn't going with Windows 7?

T 






Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread DSinc

Thane,
I may have to admit guilt for this. We had many conversations about how 
long MS may
continue to support Win7; and, how soon MS launched W8 and W8.1. I still 
do not know, or,
understand the breadth of the issue. Both of us decided it had to do 
with 'Tablets.' Sadly he does

own a Tablet (?an Apple IPAD?), an Apple 'Smartphone' and a Kindle 'Reader.'

I shared with him that W7pro/64 installed very easily over my goofed up 
w8.1/plain vanilla attempt.
And, he did have W7pro/64 to upgrade to. He kept railing at me wearing 
his MBA hat telling me
me he just could not accept what MS was doing to Commercial/Industrial 
folks that had thousands of
desktops to plan an upgrade to ?What? I begged off and said, I just 
do not know! I was focused on
OB's homedesktop PC--ONLY. In the end, he bought W8.1pro/64, and, 
decided that was where he would go
based on his own personal research; which seems to be some favorite 
websites, his USMA Alumni forum,
and me (because of our Collective!). ;) (see my 
earlier queries.)
I did have himfocused on Win7pro/64 some months back, but, he blew that 
off for Win8.1pro/64. I just

said Fine. I now believe my OB is an ApplicationSW WONK! JMHO.
Duncan


On 07/05/2014 12:38, Thane Sherrington wrote:

At 12:55 PM 05/07/2014, DSinc wrote:

Fred,
Sorry. His OS will be Win8.1 PRO-64bit.


Any reason why he isn't going with Windows 7?

T







Re: [H] OB's new desktop PC

2014-07-05 Thread Thane Sherrington

At 02:41 PM 05/07/2014, DSinc wrote:

Thane,
I may have to admit guilt for this. We had many conversations about 
how long MS may
continue to support Win7; and, how soon MS launched W8 and W8.1. I 
still do not know, or,


Windows 7 will be supported until April 2020 at a minimum, FWIW.

T