RE: [H] Hi All / System stutter problems

[nobozoz]

Some peeps with stuttering video have had success doing the following...

System Properties > Advanced > Settings > Advanced > Virtual Memory > Change
> "No Paging File" > SET

Disable the page file.
Delete pagefile.sys.
Re-enable the page file.

_jim

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:50 PM
To: The Hardware List; undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [H] Hi All / System stutter problems


Hey guys,
  Nice to see the list is still running - I've been away for a *long*
time  :(  I applied for voluntary separation plan at my work yesterday
though, so maybe I'll get back into this a little (going back to running my
business full time instead of 2 careers)...

  Anyway, I'm having an odd problem that I'm hoping someone may have
some experience with.  I upgraded my Win XP PC w/o reinstalling the OS (went
from nForce 2 Ultra to nForce 4 Ultra board) - I don't really have a choice.
Everything works fine, except for this nagging issue.  Games play fine and
frame rate is high, but I get stutters in games (pause for a split second
then jerk forward).  Oddly enough, the same thing happens when playing DVDs
in PowerDVD and videos in Windows Media Player!  :(  Another odd issue is
that my desktop icons get refreshed occasionally and are slow to redraw...
I have the latest mobo drivers, video card drivers, DirectX (reports no
problems), etc.  Here's my config:
DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D
Athlon 64 Venice 3500+
EVGA 7800 GT
2 GB Geil PC3200 2-3-2-5
was using onboard sound - about to try my old Audigy
2 older IDE drives, 1 SATA, 2 IDE optical drives

BTW, I did use DriverCleaner Pro to clean the cabs, clean for NVIDIA
motherboard / video, and clean Creative...  I've tried different versions of
the video drivers as well.  TTYL,
--Kyle Yamnitz
  Your Basic Computer Hardware Page:
http://www.BasicHardware.com
  The Lesson Plans Page:
http://www.LessonPlansPage.com

Re: [H] Hi All / System stutter problems

[kyamnitz]

Yeah, Ultra DMA 5 - Ultra100 is enabled on the primary (HDD) channel, and Ultra 
DMA 2 - Ultra 33 is enabled on the secondary (optical) channel.  What do you 
mean by "autostart"?  Do you mean autoplay for the optical drives?  Yeah, 
that's disabled...  

As far as I can tell, agpgart isn't trying to load...  Take care,
--Kyle Yamnitz
  Your Basic Computer Hardware Page:
http://www.BasicHardware.com
  The Lesson Plans Page:
http://www.LessonPlansPage.com

 -- Original message --
From: Jim Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Have you checked that you are using DMA for your IDE drivers in device 
> Manager and also have you turned on/off autostart?
> 
> Um, agpgart You might see if that is trying to load during the boot up 
> process and also consider running a old driver cleaner app.
> 

Re: [H] Hi All / System stutter problems

[Jim Edwards]

Have you checked that you are using DMA for your IDE drivers in device 
Manager and also have you turned on/off autostart?


Um, agpgart You might see if that is trying to load during the boot up 
process and also consider running a old driver cleaner app.

Re: [H] Hi All / System stutter problems

[kyamnitz]

Hi again,
  Yeah, I know it's a pain to get things working properly (I'm so close!), 
but this system has *so* much setup the way I want it that it would take 
forever to rebuild...  Anyway, background processes include things like NVIDIA 
firewall, VNC Server, McAfee, SSH Server, FTP Server, mouse controls, etc...  
I've tried with most of that disabled but should do some more...  I don't think 
there was anything in the event log, but I'll check again later at home.  
  warpmedia, I'm included to think the same thing as you - except that I'm 
not accessing the CD / DVD drive when playing back video clips or playing some 
of the games that have exhibited the problem  :(  ...but with that hang when 
starting a DVD burn I have to wonder!  My optical drives are on a separate 
channel from my hard drives.  
  Stan, I don't really see anything in Task Manager out of the ordinary, 
but I'll look closer next time I see the skipping when playing back DVDs or 
videos since they're not taking up the whole screen.  
  Julian, things are going great with the family (looking forward to 
spending more time with them).  My son's 2 1/2 now - can't believe it.  How are 
things going for you?  Nice to see you're still here.  Take care,
--Kyle Yamnitz
  Your Basic Computer Hardware Page:
http://www.BasicHardware.com
  The Lesson Plans Page:
http://www.LessonPlansPage.com

 -- Original message --
From: "Julian Zottl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hey Kyle!
> Welcome back!  How's the family?  Glad to see that the website is taking off!
> 
> When I've had the problem like you describe below, I usually end up 
> reformatting 
> and putting Windows back on, as it's a PAIN in the ass to get working 
> otherwise.  
> I presume you've looked in your Event Log and haven't see any problems there. 
>  
> What programs are running in the background?
> 
> BTW, as you said, the NVIDIA Firewall is good for blocking application stuff. 
>  
> You never know, someone might mistakenly install a trojan on your computer 
> and 
> that would pick it up.  It's also hardware accelerated, so it doen't affect 
> speed much.
> 
> Take care and good seeing you back!
> Julian
> 
> _
> Julian Zottl
> CTO, Radiant Network Technology, LLC
> Getting ahead in the tech sector isn't about kissing butt ... you gotta sniff 
> the right packets
> 
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-To: The Hardware List 
> Date:  Wed, 01 Mar 2006 03:50:13 +
> 
> >Hey guys,
> >  Nice to see the list is still running - I've been away for a *long* 
> > time  
> :(  I applied for voluntary separation plan at my work yesterday though, so 
> maybe I'll get back into this a little (going back to running my business 
> full 
> time instead of 2 careers)...  
> >
> >  Anyway, I'm having an odd problem that I'm hoping someone may have 
> > some 
> experience with.  I upgraded my Win XP PC w/o reinstalling the OS (went from 
> nForce 2 Ultra to nForce 4 Ultra board) - I don't really have a choice.  
> Everything works fine, except for this nagging issue.  Games play fine and 
> frame 
> rate is high, but I get stutters in games (pause for a split second then jerk 
> forward).  Oddly enough, the same thing happens when playing DVDs in PowerDVD 
> and videos in Windows Media Player!  :(  Another odd issue is that my desktop 
> icons get refreshed occasionally and are slow to redraw...  I have the latest 
> mobo drivers, video card drivers, DirectX (reports no problems), etc.  Here's 
> my 
> config:
> >DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D
> >Athlon 64 Venice 3500+
> >EVGA 7800 GT
> >2 GB Geil PC3200 2-3-2-5
> >was using onboard sound - about to try my old Audigy
> >2 older IDE drives, 1 SATA, 2 IDE optical drives
> >
> >BTW, I did use DriverCleaner Pro to clean the cabs, clean for NVIDIA 
> motherboard / video, and clean Creative...  I've tried different versions of 
> the 
> video drivers as well.  TTYL,
> > --Kyle Yamnitz
> >   Your Basic Computer Hardware Page:
> > http://www.BasicHardware.com
> >   The Lesson Plans Page:
> > http://www.LessonPlansPage.com
> >
> 

Re: [H] Hi All / System stutter problems

[Wayne Johnson]

At 11:46 AM 3/1/2006, warpmedia typed:
Dell did fuck up IMO by putting the internal optical drive on same 
chain as HDD in the laptop, why is a mystery.


One less IDE cable they have to use.


--+--
   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
 

Re: [H] Hi All / System stutter problems

[Julian Zottl]

Hey Kyle!
Welcome back!  How's the family?  Glad to see that the website is taking off!

When I've had the problem like you describe below, I usually end up 
reformatting and putting Windows back on, as it's a PAIN in the ass to get 
working otherwise.  I presume you've looked in your Event Log and haven't see 
any problems there.  What programs are running in the background?

BTW, as you said, the NVIDIA Firewall is good for blocking application stuff.  
You never know, someone might mistakenly install a trojan on your computer and 
that would pick it up.  It's also hardware accelerated, so it doen't affect 
speed much.

Take care and good seeing you back!
Julian

_
Julian Zottl
CTO, Radiant Network Technology, LLC
Getting ahead in the tech sector isn't about kissing butt ... you gotta sniff 
the right packets



-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: The Hardware List 
Date:  Wed, 01 Mar 2006 03:50:13 +

>Hey guys,
>  Nice to see the list is still running - I've been away for a *long* time 
>  :(  I applied for voluntary separation plan at my work yesterday though, so 
> maybe I'll get back into this a little (going back to running my business 
> full time instead of 2 careers)...  
>
>  Anyway, I'm having an odd problem that I'm hoping someone may have some 
> experience with.  I upgraded my Win XP PC w/o reinstalling the OS (went from 
> nForce 2 Ultra to nForce 4 Ultra board) - I don't really have a choice.  
> Everything works fine, except for this nagging issue.  Games play fine and 
> frame rate is high, but I get stutters in games (pause for a split second 
> then jerk forward).  Oddly enough, the same thing happens when playing DVDs 
> in PowerDVD and videos in Windows Media Player!  :(  Another odd issue is 
> that my desktop icons get refreshed occasionally and are slow to redraw...  I 
> have the latest mobo drivers, video card drivers, DirectX (reports no 
> problems), etc.  Here's my config:
>DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D
>Athlon 64 Venice 3500+
>EVGA 7800 GT
>2 GB Geil PC3200 2-3-2-5
>was using onboard sound - about to try my old Audigy
>2 older IDE drives, 1 SATA, 2 IDE optical drives
>
>BTW, I did use DriverCleaner Pro to clean the cabs, clean for NVIDIA 
> motherboard / video, and clean Creative...  I've tried different versions of 
> the video drivers as well.  TTYL,
>   --Kyle Yamnitz
> Your Basic Computer Hardware Page:
>   http://www.BasicHardware.com
> The Lesson Plans Page:
>   http://www.LessonPlansPage.com
>

Re: [H] Hi All / System stutter problems

[warpmedia]

I get the same on kind of *pause* while gaming and think it has 
something to do with CD/DVD rom drive access.


Don't think it's CPU cycles but a hardware/interrupt thing since I get 
it on both the laptop (P4/2Ghz) and the desktop (XP2800) here with even 
older games like C&C generals when scrolling across map.


Dell did fuck up IMO by putting the internal optical drive on same chain 
as HDD in the laptop, why is a mystery.


Stan Zaske wrote:
Have you checked Windows Task Manager to see where your CPU cycles are 
being used most?



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hey Jim & Greg, good to hear from you two.  How would I check for the 
AGPGart issue? 
Greg, I checked and Cool-and-Quiet was disabled, but I:

Disabled CPU Thermal Throttling (what does that do? - was at 50%)
Upgraded the BIOS
Removed the onboard sound and added my Audigy

After those 3, stutters seem to at least have been reduced (for now), 
but I'm afraid this may be something that builds up over time after my 
computer's been running for awhile.  Need to do more testing...


Another major problem that may be related is when accessing my optical 
drives sometimes my system hangs / slows for a short while.  A good 
example is when I start burning a DVD with DVDShrink.  When my burner 
first gets started, I could be typing this email (as I was actually), 
and typed a few words that didn't show up until a minute later...  For 
the rest of the burn it did okay though...  Thoughts?  Thanks,

--Kyle Yamnitz
  Your Basic Computer Hardware Page:
  http://www.BasicHardware.com

Re: [H] Hi All / System stutter problems

[Stan Zaske]

Have you checked Windows Task Manager to see where your CPU cycles are 
being used most?



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hey Jim & Greg, good to hear from you two.  How would I check for the AGPGart issue?  


Greg, I checked and Cool-and-Quiet was disabled, but I:
Disabled CPU Thermal Throttling (what does that do? - was at 50%)
Upgraded the BIOS
Removed the onboard sound and added my Audigy

After those 3, stutters seem to at least have been reduced (for now), but I'm 
afraid this may be something that builds up over time after my computer's been 
running for awhile.  Need to do more testing...

Another major problem that may be related is when accessing my optical drives 
sometimes my system hangs / slows for a short while.  A good example is when I 
start burning a DVD with DVDShrink.  When my burner first gets started, I could 
be typing this email (as I was actually), and typed a few words that didn't 
show up until a minute later...  For the rest of the burn it did okay though... 
 Thoughts?  Thanks,
--Kyle Yamnitz
  Your Basic Computer Hardware Page:
http://www.BasicHardware.com
  The Lesson Plans Page:
http://www.LessonPlansPage.com

-- Original message --
From: Jim Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 

Going from AGP to PCI-E right? Could the agpgart thing be hanging around 
causing this? Wild guess here. Good to here from you Kyle. :)


At 2/28/2006 10:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   


Hey guys,
 Nice to see the list is still running - I've been away for a *long* 
time  :(  I applied for voluntary separation plan at my work yesterday 
though, so maybe I'll get back into this a little (going back to running 
my business full time instead of 2 careers)...


 Anyway, I'm having an odd problem that I'm hoping someone may have 
some experience with.  I upgraded my Win XP PC w/o reinstalling the OS 
(went from nForce 2 Ultra to nForce 4 Ultra board) - I don't really have 
a choice.  Everything works fine, except for this nagging issue.  Games 
play fine and frame rate is high, but I get stutters in games (pause for 
a split second then jerk forward).  Oddly enough, the same thing happens 
when playing DVDs in PowerDVD and videos in Windows Media 
Player!  :(  Another odd issue is that my desktop icons get refreshed 
occasionally and are slow to redraw...  I have the latest mobo drivers, 
video card drivers, DirectX (reports no problems), etc.  Here's my config:

DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D
Athlon 64 Venice 3500+
EVGA 7800 GT
2 GB Geil PC3200 2-3-2-5
was using onboard sound - about to try my old Audigy
2 older IDE drives, 1 SATA, 2 IDE optical drives

   BTW, I did use DriverCleaner Pro to clean the cabs, clean for 
NVIDIA motherboard / video, and clean Creative...  I've tried different 
versions of the video drivers as well.  TTYL,

   --Kyle Yamnitz
 Your Basic Computer Hardware Page:
   http://www.BasicHardware.com
 The Lesson Plans Page:
   http://www.LessonPlansPage.com



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Re: [H] Hi All / System stutter problems

[kyamnitz]

Hey Jim & Greg, good to hear from you two.  How would I check for the AGPGart 
issue?  

Greg, I checked and Cool-and-Quiet was disabled, but I:
Disabled CPU Thermal Throttling (what does that do? - was at 50%)
Upgraded the BIOS
Removed the onboard sound and added my Audigy

After those 3, stutters seem to at least have been reduced (for now), but I'm 
afraid this may be something that builds up over time after my computer's been 
running for awhile.  Need to do more testing...

Another major problem that may be related is when accessing my optical drives 
sometimes my system hangs / slows for a short while.  A good example is when I 
start burning a DVD with DVDShrink.  When my burner first gets started, I could 
be typing this email (as I was actually), and typed a few words that didn't 
show up until a minute later...  For the rest of the burn it did okay though... 
 Thoughts?  Thanks,
--Kyle Yamnitz
  Your Basic Computer Hardware Page:
http://www.BasicHardware.com
  The Lesson Plans Page:
http://www.LessonPlansPage.com

 -- Original message --
From: Jim Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Going from AGP to PCI-E right? Could the agpgart thing be hanging around 
> causing this? Wild guess here. Good to here from you Kyle. :)
> 
> At 2/28/2006 10:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Hey guys,
> >   Nice to see the list is still running - I've been away for a *long* 
> > time  :(  I applied for voluntary separation plan at my work yesterday 
> > though, so maybe I'll get back into this a little (going back to running 
> > my business full time instead of 2 careers)...
> >
> >   Anyway, I'm having an odd problem that I'm hoping someone may have 
> > some experience with.  I upgraded my Win XP PC w/o reinstalling the OS 
> > (went from nForce 2 Ultra to nForce 4 Ultra board) - I don't really have 
> > a choice.  Everything works fine, except for this nagging issue.  Games 
> > play fine and frame rate is high, but I get stutters in games (pause for 
> > a split second then jerk forward).  Oddly enough, the same thing happens 
> > when playing DVDs in PowerDVD and videos in Windows Media 
> > Player!  :(  Another odd issue is that my desktop icons get refreshed 
> > occasionally and are slow to redraw...  I have the latest mobo drivers, 
> > video card drivers, DirectX (reports no problems), etc.  Here's my config:
> >DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D
> >Athlon 64 Venice 3500+
> >EVGA 7800 GT
> >2 GB Geil PC3200 2-3-2-5
> >was using onboard sound - about to try my old Audigy
> >2 older IDE drives, 1 SATA, 2 IDE optical drives
> >
> > BTW, I did use DriverCleaner Pro to clean the cabs, clean for 
> > NVIDIA motherboard / video, and clean Creative...  I've tried different 
> > versions of the video drivers as well.  TTYL,
> > --Kyle Yamnitz
> >   Your Basic Computer Hardware Page:
> > http://www.BasicHardware.com
> >   The Lesson Plans Page:
> > http://www.LessonPlansPage.com
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >No virus found in this incoming message.
> >Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/271 - Release Date: 2/28/2006
> 

Re: [H] Hi All / System stutter problems

[Jim Edwards]

Going from AGP to PCI-E right? Could the agpgart thing be hanging around 
causing this? Wild guess here. Good to here from you Kyle. :)


At 2/28/2006 10:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hey guys,
  Nice to see the list is still running - I've been away for a *long* 
time  :(  I applied for voluntary separation plan at my work yesterday 
though, so maybe I'll get back into this a little (going back to running 
my business full time instead of 2 careers)...


  Anyway, I'm having an odd problem that I'm hoping someone may have 
some experience with.  I upgraded my Win XP PC w/o reinstalling the OS 
(went from nForce 2 Ultra to nForce 4 Ultra board) - I don't really have 
a choice.  Everything works fine, except for this nagging issue.  Games 
play fine and frame rate is high, but I get stutters in games (pause for 
a split second then jerk forward).  Oddly enough, the same thing happens 
when playing DVDs in PowerDVD and videos in Windows Media 
Player!  :(  Another odd issue is that my desktop icons get refreshed 
occasionally and are slow to redraw...  I have the latest mobo drivers, 
video card drivers, DirectX (reports no problems), etc.  Here's my config:

DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D
Athlon 64 Venice 3500+
EVGA 7800 GT
2 GB Geil PC3200 2-3-2-5
was using onboard sound - about to try my old Audigy
2 older IDE drives, 1 SATA, 2 IDE optical drives

BTW, I did use DriverCleaner Pro to clean the cabs, clean for 
NVIDIA motherboard / video, and clean Creative...  I've tried different 
versions of the video drivers as well.  TTYL,

--Kyle Yamnitz
  Your Basic Computer Hardware Page:
http://www.BasicHardware.com
  The Lesson Plans Page:
http://www.LessonPlansPage.com



--
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Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.1/271 - Release Date: 2/28/2006

Re: [H] Hi All / System stutter problems

[Greg Sevart]

Try disabling Cool-and-Quiet, or try installing a tool called "RMClock" and 
force the processor to remain in a single p-state.


I have a feeling it may have something to do with demand based clock 
throttling.


Greg

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Hardware List" ; 


Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:50 PM
Subject: [H] Hi All / System stutter problems



Hey guys,
 Nice to see the list is still running - I've been away for a *long* 
time  :(  I applied for voluntary separation plan at my work yesterday 
though, so maybe I'll get back into this a little (going back to running 
my business full time instead of 2 careers)...


 Anyway, I'm having an odd problem that I'm hoping someone may have 
some experience with.  I upgraded my Win XP PC w/o reinstalling the OS 
(went from nForce 2 Ultra to nForce 4 Ultra board) - I don't really have a 
choice.  Everything works fine, except for this nagging issue.  Games play 
fine and frame rate is high, but I get stutters in games (pause for a 
split second then jerk forward).  Oddly enough, the same thing happens 
when playing DVDs in PowerDVD and videos in Windows Media Player!  :( 
Another odd issue is that my desktop icons get refreshed occasionally and 
are slow to redraw...  I have the latest mobo drivers, video card drivers, 
DirectX (reports no problems), etc.  Here's my config:

DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D
Athlon 64 Venice 3500+
EVGA 7800 GT
2 GB Geil PC3200 2-3-2-5
was using onboard sound - about to try my old Audigy
2 older IDE drives, 1 SATA, 2 IDE optical drives

   BTW, I did use DriverCleaner Pro to clean the cabs, clean for 
NVIDIA motherboard / video, and clean Creative...  I've tried different 
versions of the video drivers as well.  TTYL,

--Kyle Yamnitz
  Your Basic Computer Hardware Page:
  http://www.BasicHardware.com
  The Lesson Plans Page:
  http://www.LessonPlansPage.com