Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?

2008-02-26 Thread Robert Martin Jr.
I'm not exactly sure. I wasn't home when the power went out and I have had 
problems with the NAS not powering down or rebooting after telling it to 
manually from the web interface. It never seemed like a big deal then, because 
I always ran the device 24/7 and rarely rebooted it. I spent about 2 weeks 
using utilities both linux and windows based trying to recover and restore the 
missing partition info on drive #2, and scanning all the other 3 drives for 
surface and data errors (they all appeared fine). The array should have been 
able to function without this drive, but apparently one of the other drives had 
corrupted data also (I was never able to indentify which one). I finally gave 
up on week 3, reformatted and started reloading all my data.

If you check the readynas forums, I'm not the only one that has had a problem 
like this. This is why I decided to run a single TB drive on win2k Server to 
serve files, and keep hard copys and a readynas copy of all my videos. The raid 
sounds great, but when it's not as redundant as you think - it sucks to find 
out the hard way.

lopaka

Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's no good.  How did a power outage 
corrupt the data?  Didn't the NAS
shut down?

I don't have backups of a lot of my data like TV shows and Photos - the RAID
IS my backup.  I know that's poor network design, but unless I can afford
twice the NAS I need it's all I've got.

-
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation


On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Robert Martin Jr. 
wrote:

 Also, something to consider is that the readynas, although touted as a
 redundant data device is not without occasional catastrophic problems. I had
 a power outage that outlasted the UPS and data got corrupted beyond repair
 although none of the hard drives were flawed. My second 500GB drive had no
 partition data after the power outage and I was unable to recover it using
 various utilities on XPPE, Hirens Boot CD, etc. Luckily I had hard backups
 of about 80% of the movies and shows. I was 2 weeks from the end of my
 warranty and they upgraded me to the NV+ since the NV is no longer
 manufactured. It was assumed that the firmware was corrupted but when I
 received the NV+ and installed the drives, the same problem recurred and was
 not an issue with the nas, but a data loss on my drives. Neatgear will do
 data recovery in cases like this but is fee based and probably not cheap.

 lopaka

 Brian Weeden 
 wrote: Right now I'm using the
 TwonkyMediaServer to serve content from my HTPC to
 my D-link DSM-520 and it works beautifully, as long as the whole browser
 election thing isn't disrupting the entire network.  Would I be able to
 install that on the ReadyNAS?  Or would I need an actual full windows
 install?  The 520 is listed as supported on the Infrant Wiki but I found
 the
 D-link media server software to be horrible and the Twonky one much
 better.

 The ReadyNAS NV+ with no drives is about $900 on Newegg as a sale price.
 They are $1,050 on Netgear's site.  Figure you need another $1200 for 4 1
 TB
 drives.  Pretty pricey for just a plain box, could build a full windows
 home
 server for that much.

 I have been using IP addresses to map all my shares for a while now as
 well
 and it works fine, except for random network-wide drop outs which I am
 pretty sure are related to browser elections.

 -
 Brian Weeden
 Technical Consultant
 Secure World Foundation


 On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Robert Martin Jr.
 wrote:

  Thankfully I bought my ReadyNAS NV while Infrant was still in charge.
 Now
  that Netgear owns them they raised prices on everything without actually
  improving any of the technology. I paid $550 2 years ago and got
 upgraded to
  an NV+ about a month ago when my NV started having problems. They cost
 twice
  as much now ???
 
  It generally works very well as long as you're using supported hard
  drives. I serve media to 2 Xbox media centers, 2 computers and one
 network
  DVD player (Avel Linkplayer2)
 
  I have run in to similar issues with the name resolution, so I only use
 IP
  addresses when mapping drives and shares. I have no MAC experience so I
  can't be much help there.
 
  I also have a DLink DSM-G600 but although it works well as a standard
 NAS,
  the media server is not recognized by my network DVD player. The XBMCs
 can
  use it fine by just mapping the shares. I believe the DSM-G600 only
 supports
  a 500GB drive though, although some users have higher capacity drives
  running fine.
 
  lopaka
 
  Brian Weeden
  wrote: I've posted here before about
  this problem and really haven't solved
  anything yet.  For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue
  with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing.  If you have a
  server that is actually managing a domain, that server will maintain a
  list
  of which computer name is associated with which IP address on the
 network.
  So if I tell my machine to connect to media the 

Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?

2008-02-25 Thread Robert Martin Jr.
Thankfully I bought my ReadyNAS NV while Infrant was still in charge. Now that 
Netgear owns them they raised prices on everything without actually improving 
any of the technology. I paid $550 2 years ago and got upgraded to an NV+ about 
a month ago when my NV started having problems. They cost twice as much now ???

It generally works very well as long as you're using supported hard drives. I 
serve media to 2 Xbox media centers, 2 computers and one network DVD player 
(Avel Linkplayer2)

I have run in to similar issues with the name resolution, so I only use IP 
addresses when mapping drives and shares. I have no MAC experience so I can't 
be much help there.

I also have a DLink DSM-G600 but although it works well as a standard NAS, the 
media server is not recognized by my network DVD player. The XBMCs can use it 
fine by just mapping the shares. I believe the DSM-G600 only supports a 500GB 
drive though, although some users have higher capacity drives running fine.

lopaka

Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've posted here before about this 
problem and really haven't solved
anything yet.  For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue
with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing.  If you have a
server that is actually managing a domain, that server will maintain a list
of which computer name is associated with which IP address on the network.
So if I tell my machine to connect to media the domain server says oh
that's actually 192.169.0.4 or whatever.  If there isn't a domain
controller (ie the network is just peers) one machine will maintain the
browser list of all the mappings.  If something happens, the computer will
force an election and the new machine will be the browser.

Sounds great in theory but my experience it has been absolutely horrible.
Over the last few years I have had off and on problems, ranging from simple
annoyances like not being able to see any machines listed under My Network
Places to massive network slowdowns and inability to transfer even 20MB
files due to browser elections dropping connections.  I have tried many
solutions with the current being to change the registry in all my machines
save one to never maintain the browser list and disabling the browser
service as well.  The one machine which is my media server has that same
registry key set to always and has the service running.

But recently I've found another issue - my wife's MacBook has started to
participate in this whole mess.  A couple of days ago I was going  through
the event viewer trying to figure out why the network had gone to hell and
saw an entry saying that the MacBook had denied access to an IP and forced
an election.  Getting the MacBook to stop doing that is beyond my limited
OSX knowledge.

So, now I'm looking for solutions.  I need to rebuild my HTPC / media server
and wanted to see if I could find a solution in that.  I really want to
(try) and cut down on the power used so I was thinking of replacing the
whole thing with a NAS box and a small set top like an Apple TV or D-Link
box.  I was doing some research and noticed that all these NAS solutions
support different filesharing protocols, like CIFS, SMB, AFP, NFS, etc.
What's the different between these and the normal protocols that are used
when you share a drive within Windows?  Do they result in more efficient use
of the network bandwidth?

Why are the ReadyNAS boxes so darn expensive (almost $1000 on Newegg for
diskless NV+)?  What are other good options?  I need something that will
support at least 3 TB of storage (ie 4x 1TB SATA drives) in RAID 5 and
preferably something can I can daisy chain another to to hit my goal of 6 TB
(ie 4x8 1TB SATA in RAID 5).

Aside from setting up a domain controller, can anyone think of other ways to
help with my problem of the master browser issue and overall poor network
performance?  Would running a Windows Home Server box help at all?  Or would
a *nix server be better?  I have some experience with *nix (specifically
Ubuntu)?

-
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation



Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?

2008-02-25 Thread Brian Weeden
Right now I'm using the TwonkyMediaServer to serve content from my HTPC to
my D-link DSM-520 and it works beautifully, as long as the whole browser
election thing isn't disrupting the entire network.  Would I be able to
install that on the ReadyNAS?  Or would I need an actual full windows
install?  The 520 is listed as supported on the Infrant Wiki but I found the
D-link media server software to be horrible and the Twonky one much better.

The ReadyNAS NV+ with no drives is about $900 on Newegg as a sale price.
They are $1,050 on Netgear's site.  Figure you need another $1200 for 4 1 TB
drives.  Pretty pricey for just a plain box, could build a full windows home
server for that much.

I have been using IP addresses to map all my shares for a while now as well
and it works fine, except for random network-wide drop outs which I am
pretty sure are related to browser elections.

-
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation


On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Robert Martin Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Thankfully I bought my ReadyNAS NV while Infrant was still in charge. Now
 that Netgear owns them they raised prices on everything without actually
 improving any of the technology. I paid $550 2 years ago and got upgraded to
 an NV+ about a month ago when my NV started having problems. They cost twice
 as much now ???

 It generally works very well as long as you're using supported hard
 drives. I serve media to 2 Xbox media centers, 2 computers and one network
 DVD player (Avel Linkplayer2)

 I have run in to similar issues with the name resolution, so I only use IP
 addresses when mapping drives and shares. I have no MAC experience so I
 can't be much help there.

 I also have a DLink DSM-G600 but although it works well as a standard NAS,
 the media server is not recognized by my network DVD player. The XBMCs can
 use it fine by just mapping the shares. I believe the DSM-G600 only supports
 a 500GB drive though, although some users have higher capacity drives
 running fine.

 lopaka

 Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've posted here before about
 this problem and really haven't solved
 anything yet.  For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue
 with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing.  If you have a
 server that is actually managing a domain, that server will maintain a
 list
 of which computer name is associated with which IP address on the network.
 So if I tell my machine to connect to media the domain server says oh
 that's actually 192.169.0.4 or whatever.  If there isn't a domain
 controller (ie the network is just peers) one machine will maintain the
 browser list of all the mappings.  If something happens, the computer will
 force an election and the new machine will be the browser.

 Sounds great in theory but my experience it has been absolutely horrible.
 Over the last few years I have had off and on problems, ranging from
 simple
 annoyances like not being able to see any machines listed under My
 Network
 Places to massive network slowdowns and inability to transfer even 20MB
 files due to browser elections dropping connections.  I have tried many
 solutions with the current being to change the registry in all my machines
 save one to never maintain the browser list and disabling the browser
 service as well.  The one machine which is my media server has that same
 registry key set to always and has the service running.

 But recently I've found another issue - my wife's MacBook has started to
 participate in this whole mess.  A couple of days ago I was going  through
 the event viewer trying to figure out why the network had gone to hell and
 saw an entry saying that the MacBook had denied access to an IP and forced
 an election.  Getting the MacBook to stop doing that is beyond my limited
 OSX knowledge.

 So, now I'm looking for solutions.  I need to rebuild my HTPC / media
 server
 and wanted to see if I could find a solution in that.  I really want to
 (try) and cut down on the power used so I was thinking of replacing the
 whole thing with a NAS box and a small set top like an Apple TV or D-Link
 box.  I was doing some research and noticed that all these NAS solutions
 support different filesharing protocols, like CIFS, SMB, AFP, NFS, etc.
 What's the different between these and the normal protocols that are used
 when you share a drive within Windows?  Do they result in more efficient
 use
 of the network bandwidth?

 Why are the ReadyNAS boxes so darn expensive (almost $1000 on Newegg for
 diskless NV+)?  What are other good options?  I need something that will
 support at least 3 TB of storage (ie 4x 1TB SATA drives) in RAID 5 and
 preferably something can I can daisy chain another to to hit my goal of 6
 TB
 (ie 4x8 1TB SATA in RAID 5).

 Aside from setting up a domain controller, can anyone think of other ways
 to
 help with my problem of the master browser issue and overall poor network
 performance?  Would running a Windows Home 

Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?

2008-02-25 Thread Robert Martin Jr.
You used to be able to install Twonky to the ReadyNAS line of products although 
I never used it. It comes with a version of the linux wizd media server 
preinstalled and this works well with my linkplayer2. In fact I was using wizd 
before I bought the readynas and was surprised to see the same screen the first 
time I pulled it up. I'd check the readynas forum first and make sure it runs 
well for most users. 

I'm actually just using the readynas nv+ to archive my movies and shows now, 
but purchased a 1TB WD HDD to put in my pentium-m server and will be using that 
to serve media files 24/7. The readynas will only get powered on occasionally 
to restore files  hold everything. I only have 1.3 TB of space on my readynas 
nv+, so most of my favorite movies and shows will easily fit a 1 TB HDD. The 
electricity cost of running 1 large drive in a pentium-m server, will be much 
less than leaving a 4 drive NAS box running 24/7. Plus it's the new WD drive 
that alters it's spin speed varying from 5400-7200 as demand increases. It's 
supposed to use a lot less power.

lopaka

Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now I'm using the 
TwonkyMediaServer to serve content from my HTPC to
my D-link DSM-520 and it works beautifully, as long as the whole browser
election thing isn't disrupting the entire network.  Would I be able to
install that on the ReadyNAS?  Or would I need an actual full windows
install?  The 520 is listed as supported on the Infrant Wiki but I found the
D-link media server software to be horrible and the Twonky one much better.

The ReadyNAS NV+ with no drives is about $900 on Newegg as a sale price.
They are $1,050 on Netgear's site.  Figure you need another $1200 for 4 1 TB
drives.  Pretty pricey for just a plain box, could build a full windows home
server for that much.

I have been using IP addresses to map all my shares for a while now as well
and it works fine, except for random network-wide drop outs which I am
pretty sure are related to browser elections.

-
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation


On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Robert Martin Jr. 
wrote:

 Thankfully I bought my ReadyNAS NV while Infrant was still in charge. Now
 that Netgear owns them they raised prices on everything without actually
 improving any of the technology. I paid $550 2 years ago and got upgraded to
 an NV+ about a month ago when my NV started having problems. They cost twice
 as much now ???

 It generally works very well as long as you're using supported hard
 drives. I serve media to 2 Xbox media centers, 2 computers and one network
 DVD player (Avel Linkplayer2)

 I have run in to similar issues with the name resolution, so I only use IP
 addresses when mapping drives and shares. I have no MAC experience so I
 can't be much help there.

 I also have a DLink DSM-G600 but although it works well as a standard NAS,
 the media server is not recognized by my network DVD player. The XBMCs can
 use it fine by just mapping the shares. I believe the DSM-G600 only supports
 a 500GB drive though, although some users have higher capacity drives
 running fine.

 lopaka

 Brian Weeden 
 wrote: I've posted here before about
 this problem and really haven't solved
 anything yet.  For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue
 with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing.  If you have a
 server that is actually managing a domain, that server will maintain a
 list
 of which computer name is associated with which IP address on the network.
 So if I tell my machine to connect to media the domain server says oh
 that's actually 192.169.0.4 or whatever.  If there isn't a domain
 controller (ie the network is just peers) one machine will maintain the
 browser list of all the mappings.  If something happens, the computer will
 force an election and the new machine will be the browser.

 Sounds great in theory but my experience it has been absolutely horrible.
 Over the last few years I have had off and on problems, ranging from
 simple
 annoyances like not being able to see any machines listed under My
 Network
 Places to massive network slowdowns and inability to transfer even 20MB
 files due to browser elections dropping connections.  I have tried many
 solutions with the current being to change the registry in all my machines
 save one to never maintain the browser list and disabling the browser
 service as well.  The one machine which is my media server has that same
 registry key set to always and has the service running.

 But recently I've found another issue - my wife's MacBook has started to
 participate in this whole mess.  A couple of days ago I was going  through
 the event viewer trying to figure out why the network had gone to hell and
 saw an entry saying that the MacBook had denied access to an IP and forced
 an election.  Getting the MacBook to stop doing that is beyond my limited
 OSX knowledge.

 So, now I'm looking for solutions.  I need to rebuild my 

Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?

2008-02-25 Thread Brian Weeden
That's the drive I was looking to use.  My current HTPC is an overclocked
Athlon with 6 250GB SATA drives and another 80GB boot drive so it's sucking
power like crazy.  Which is one of the reasons I'm looking to replace it.

I wonder how those power saving drives work in a RAID array and what sort of
effect negative effect it has?

-
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation


On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Robert Martin Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 You used to be able to install Twonky to the ReadyNAS line of products
 although I never used it. It comes with a version of the linux wizd media
 server preinstalled and this works well with my linkplayer2. In fact I was
 using wizd before I bought the readynas and was surprised to see the same
 screen the first time I pulled it up. I'd check the readynas forum first and
 make sure it runs well for most users.

 I'm actually just using the readynas nv+ to archive my movies and shows
 now, but purchased a 1TB WD HDD to put in my pentium-m server and will be
 using that to serve media files 24/7. The readynas will only get powered on
 occasionally to restore files  hold everything. I only have 1.3 TB of
 space on my readynas nv+, so most of my favorite movies and shows will
 easily fit a 1 TB HDD. The electricity cost of running 1 large drive in a
 pentium-m server, will be much less than leaving a 4 drive NAS box running
 24/7. Plus it's the new WD drive that alters it's spin speed varying from
 5400-7200 as demand increases. It's supposed to use a lot less power.

 lopaka

 Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now I'm using the
 TwonkyMediaServer to serve content from my HTPC to
 my D-link DSM-520 and it works beautifully, as long as the whole browser
 election thing isn't disrupting the entire network.  Would I be able to
 install that on the ReadyNAS?  Or would I need an actual full windows
 install?  The 520 is listed as supported on the Infrant Wiki but I found
 the
 D-link media server software to be horrible and the Twonky one much
 better.

 The ReadyNAS NV+ with no drives is about $900 on Newegg as a sale price.
 They are $1,050 on Netgear's site.  Figure you need another $1200 for 4 1
 TB
 drives.  Pretty pricey for just a plain box, could build a full windows
 home
 server for that much.

 I have been using IP addresses to map all my shares for a while now as
 well
 and it works fine, except for random network-wide drop outs which I am
 pretty sure are related to browser elections.

 -
 Brian Weeden
 Technical Consultant
 Secure World Foundation


 On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Robert Martin Jr.
 wrote:

  Thankfully I bought my ReadyNAS NV while Infrant was still in charge.
 Now
  that Netgear owns them they raised prices on everything without actually
  improving any of the technology. I paid $550 2 years ago and got
 upgraded to
  an NV+ about a month ago when my NV started having problems. They cost
 twice
  as much now ???
 
  It generally works very well as long as you're using supported hard
  drives. I serve media to 2 Xbox media centers, 2 computers and one
 network
  DVD player (Avel Linkplayer2)
 
  I have run in to similar issues with the name resolution, so I only use
 IP
  addresses when mapping drives and shares. I have no MAC experience so I
  can't be much help there.
 
  I also have a DLink DSM-G600 but although it works well as a standard
 NAS,
  the media server is not recognized by my network DVD player. The XBMCs
 can
  use it fine by just mapping the shares. I believe the DSM-G600 only
 supports
  a 500GB drive though, although some users have higher capacity drives
  running fine.
 
  lopaka
 
  Brian Weeden
  wrote: I've posted here before about
  this problem and really haven't solved
  anything yet.  For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue
  with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing.  If you have a
  server that is actually managing a domain, that server will maintain a
  list
  of which computer name is associated with which IP address on the
 network.
  So if I tell my machine to connect to media the domain server says oh
  that's actually 192.169.0.4 or whatever.  If there isn't a domain
  controller (ie the network is just peers) one machine will maintain the
  browser list of all the mappings.  If something happens, the computer
 will
  force an election and the new machine will be the browser.
 
  Sounds great in theory but my experience it has been absolutely
 horrible.
  Over the last few years I have had off and on problems, ranging from
  simple
  annoyances like not being able to see any machines listed under My
  Network
  Places to massive network slowdowns and inability to transfer even 20MB
  files due to browser elections dropping connections.  I have tried many
  solutions with the current being to change the registry in all my
 machines
  save one to never maintain the browser list and disabling the browser
  service as well.  The one 

Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?

2008-02-25 Thread Robert Martin Jr.
Also, something to consider is that the readynas, although touted as a 
redundant data device is not without occasional catastrophic problems. I had a 
power outage that outlasted the UPS and data got corrupted beyond repair 
although none of the hard drives were flawed. My second 500GB drive had no 
partition data after the power outage and I was unable to recover it using 
various utilities on XPPE, Hirens Boot CD, etc. Luckily I had hard backups of 
about 80% of the movies and shows. I was 2 weeks from the end of my warranty 
and they upgraded me to the NV+ since the NV is no longer manufactured. It was 
assumed that the firmware was corrupted but when I received the NV+ and 
installed the drives, the same problem recurred and was not an issue with the 
nas, but a data loss on my drives. Neatgear will do data recovery in cases like 
this but is fee based and probably not cheap.

lopaka

Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now I'm using the 
TwonkyMediaServer to serve content from my HTPC to
my D-link DSM-520 and it works beautifully, as long as the whole browser
election thing isn't disrupting the entire network.  Would I be able to
install that on the ReadyNAS?  Or would I need an actual full windows
install?  The 520 is listed as supported on the Infrant Wiki but I found the
D-link media server software to be horrible and the Twonky one much better.

The ReadyNAS NV+ with no drives is about $900 on Newegg as a sale price.
They are $1,050 on Netgear's site.  Figure you need another $1200 for 4 1 TB
drives.  Pretty pricey for just a plain box, could build a full windows home
server for that much.

I have been using IP addresses to map all my shares for a while now as well
and it works fine, except for random network-wide drop outs which I am
pretty sure are related to browser elections.

-
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation


On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Robert Martin Jr. 
wrote:

 Thankfully I bought my ReadyNAS NV while Infrant was still in charge. Now
 that Netgear owns them they raised prices on everything without actually
 improving any of the technology. I paid $550 2 years ago and got upgraded to
 an NV+ about a month ago when my NV started having problems. They cost twice
 as much now ???

 It generally works very well as long as you're using supported hard
 drives. I serve media to 2 Xbox media centers, 2 computers and one network
 DVD player (Avel Linkplayer2)

 I have run in to similar issues with the name resolution, so I only use IP
 addresses when mapping drives and shares. I have no MAC experience so I
 can't be much help there.

 I also have a DLink DSM-G600 but although it works well as a standard NAS,
 the media server is not recognized by my network DVD player. The XBMCs can
 use it fine by just mapping the shares. I believe the DSM-G600 only supports
 a 500GB drive though, although some users have higher capacity drives
 running fine.

 lopaka

 Brian Weeden 
 wrote: I've posted here before about
 this problem and really haven't solved
 anything yet.  For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue
 with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing.  If you have a
 server that is actually managing a domain, that server will maintain a
 list
 of which computer name is associated with which IP address on the network.
 So if I tell my machine to connect to media the domain server says oh
 that's actually 192.169.0.4 or whatever.  If there isn't a domain
 controller (ie the network is just peers) one machine will maintain the
 browser list of all the mappings.  If something happens, the computer will
 force an election and the new machine will be the browser.

 Sounds great in theory but my experience it has been absolutely horrible.
 Over the last few years I have had off and on problems, ranging from
 simple
 annoyances like not being able to see any machines listed under My
 Network
 Places to massive network slowdowns and inability to transfer even 20MB
 files due to browser elections dropping connections.  I have tried many
 solutions with the current being to change the registry in all my machines
 save one to never maintain the browser list and disabling the browser
 service as well.  The one machine which is my media server has that same
 registry key set to always and has the service running.

 But recently I've found another issue - my wife's MacBook has started to
 participate in this whole mess.  A couple of days ago I was going  through
 the event viewer trying to figure out why the network had gone to hell and
 saw an entry saying that the MacBook had denied access to an IP and forced
 an election.  Getting the MacBook to stop doing that is beyond my limited
 OSX knowledge.

 So, now I'm looking for solutions.  I need to rebuild my HTPC / media
 server
 and wanted to see if I could find a solution in that.  I really want to
 (try) and cut down on the power used so I was thinking of replacing the
 whole thing with a NAS 

Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?

2008-02-25 Thread Brian Weeden
That's no good.  How did a power outage corrupt the data?  Didn't the NAS
shut down?

I don't have backups of a lot of my data like TV shows and Photos - the RAID
IS my backup.  I know that's poor network design, but unless I can afford
twice the NAS I need it's all I've got.

-
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation


On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Robert Martin Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Also, something to consider is that the readynas, although touted as a
 redundant data device is not without occasional catastrophic problems. I had
 a power outage that outlasted the UPS and data got corrupted beyond repair
 although none of the hard drives were flawed. My second 500GB drive had no
 partition data after the power outage and I was unable to recover it using
 various utilities on XPPE, Hirens Boot CD, etc. Luckily I had hard backups
 of about 80% of the movies and shows. I was 2 weeks from the end of my
 warranty and they upgraded me to the NV+ since the NV is no longer
 manufactured. It was assumed that the firmware was corrupted but when I
 received the NV+ and installed the drives, the same problem recurred and was
 not an issue with the nas, but a data loss on my drives. Neatgear will do
 data recovery in cases like this but is fee based and probably not cheap.

 lopaka

 Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now I'm using the
 TwonkyMediaServer to serve content from my HTPC to
 my D-link DSM-520 and it works beautifully, as long as the whole browser
 election thing isn't disrupting the entire network.  Would I be able to
 install that on the ReadyNAS?  Or would I need an actual full windows
 install?  The 520 is listed as supported on the Infrant Wiki but I found
 the
 D-link media server software to be horrible and the Twonky one much
 better.

 The ReadyNAS NV+ with no drives is about $900 on Newegg as a sale price.
 They are $1,050 on Netgear's site.  Figure you need another $1200 for 4 1
 TB
 drives.  Pretty pricey for just a plain box, could build a full windows
 home
 server for that much.

 I have been using IP addresses to map all my shares for a while now as
 well
 and it works fine, except for random network-wide drop outs which I am
 pretty sure are related to browser elections.

 -
 Brian Weeden
 Technical Consultant
 Secure World Foundation


 On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Robert Martin Jr.
 wrote:

  Thankfully I bought my ReadyNAS NV while Infrant was still in charge.
 Now
  that Netgear owns them they raised prices on everything without actually
  improving any of the technology. I paid $550 2 years ago and got
 upgraded to
  an NV+ about a month ago when my NV started having problems. They cost
 twice
  as much now ???
 
  It generally works very well as long as you're using supported hard
  drives. I serve media to 2 Xbox media centers, 2 computers and one
 network
  DVD player (Avel Linkplayer2)
 
  I have run in to similar issues with the name resolution, so I only use
 IP
  addresses when mapping drives and shares. I have no MAC experience so I
  can't be much help there.
 
  I also have a DLink DSM-G600 but although it works well as a standard
 NAS,
  the media server is not recognized by my network DVD player. The XBMCs
 can
  use it fine by just mapping the shares. I believe the DSM-G600 only
 supports
  a 500GB drive though, although some users have higher capacity drives
  running fine.
 
  lopaka
 
  Brian Weeden
  wrote: I've posted here before about
  this problem and really haven't solved
  anything yet.  For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue
  with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing.  If you have a
  server that is actually managing a domain, that server will maintain a
  list
  of which computer name is associated with which IP address on the
 network.
  So if I tell my machine to connect to media the domain server says oh
  that's actually 192.169.0.4 or whatever.  If there isn't a domain
  controller (ie the network is just peers) one machine will maintain the
  browser list of all the mappings.  If something happens, the computer
 will
  force an election and the new machine will be the browser.
 
  Sounds great in theory but my experience it has been absolutely
 horrible.
  Over the last few years I have had off and on problems, ranging from
  simple
  annoyances like not being able to see any machines listed under My
  Network
  Places to massive network slowdowns and inability to transfer even 20MB
  files due to browser elections dropping connections.  I have tried many
  solutions with the current being to change the registry in all my
 machines
  save one to never maintain the browser list and disabling the browser
  service as well.  The one machine which is my media server has that same
  registry key set to always and has the service running.
 
  But recently I've found another issue - my wife's MacBook has started to
  participate in this whole mess.  A couple of days ago I was 

Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?

2008-02-24 Thread Ben Ruset
Your Mac is doing it because you have Windows file sharing turned on. 
If you're not sharing anything on the Mac to Windows clients then you 
shouldn't need to have it turned on.


One thing that you could do to get around the browser issues would be to 
not rely on NetBIOS for name resolution. You could do this one of two ways:


1) Give all of your machines static IP's, and make entries for each of 
them in each machine's hosts file.


2) Set up a local DNS server, and have your DHCP server send over the IP 
and hostname info to the DNS server when they register a lease. This is 
easy to do with Windows DNS/DHCP, slightly harder with Linux, and 
probably impossible if you have your home router handling DHCP.


You'd have this problem even if you had a Windows Home Server or *nix 
box running. For whatever reason NetBIOS over TCP/IP is not working 
right in your environment. You'd have the same sort of problems 
connecting to a Microsoft or Samba SMB share. Using something besides 
NetBIOS for name resolution should net you some performance benefits.


Brian Weeden wrote:

I've posted here before about this problem and really haven't solved
anything yet.  For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue
with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing.  If you have a


snip


Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?

2008-02-24 Thread Brian Weeden
I appreciate the advice.  Here's what gets me - I'm fairly
knowledgeable about this sort of stuff and I'm not doing anything
extraordinary.  I have 3 windows machines and a MacBook on a home LAN
with my Airport Extreme handling the DHCP duties.  And this problem
was happening with both the Netgear and D-link devices I was using
before, as well as back when I only had 2 Windows machines on the
system, so I am fairly sure it isn't any of the networking gear.

Am I missing something critical about configuration for Windows file
sharing?  All I want to be able to do is transfer files and share
media back and forth.

If I get rid of NetBIOS, I would go into the Network config and remove
File and Print Sharing?  I know back in the day you had multiple
network protocols you could bind to various adapters, so you could do
NetBUI or NetBIOS over TCP/IP.  Here's what I have now:

Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler
TCP/IP

I have no idea what these three are, I think they installed with my
Wi-fi card (they only exist on my one machine):

Jumpstart Wireless Intermediate Driver
Wireless Intermediate Driver
Link-Layer Topology Discovery Responder

Wait a minute, now that I think about it, I remember back in the day
having the IPX/SPX/NetBIOS protocol - should I have that running or
no?

-
Brian Weeden

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Your Mac is doing it because you have Windows file sharing turned on.
 If you're not sharing anything on the Mac to Windows clients then you
 shouldn't need to have it turned on.

 One thing that you could do to get around the browser issues would be to
 not rely on NetBIOS for name resolution. You could do this one of two ways:

 1) Give all of your machines static IP's, and make entries for each of
 them in each machine's hosts file.

 2) Set up a local DNS server, and have your DHCP server send over the IP
 and hostname info to the DNS server when they register a lease. This is
 easy to do with Windows DNS/DHCP, slightly harder with Linux, and
 probably impossible if you have your home router handling DHCP.

 You'd have this problem even if you had a Windows Home Server or *nix
 box running. For whatever reason NetBIOS over TCP/IP is not working
 right in your environment. You'd have the same sort of problems
 connecting to a Microsoft or Samba SMB share. Using something besides
 NetBIOS for name resolution should net you some performance benefits.


 Brian Weeden wrote:
  I've posted here before about this problem and really haven't solved
  anything yet.  For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue
  with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing.  If you have a

 snip



Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?

2008-02-24 Thread j maccraw
Setup a DNS server  disable WINS/Netbios completely?

http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/aa70b386-dafa-4cd4-b950-dda84e5fa1f61033.mspx

Turn off Netbios broadcasts:

http://www.petri.co.il/hide_a_server_from_the_microsoft_computer_browser_service.htm

Disable browser:

http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/45641/browser-registry-entries-changed-in-windows-xp-sp2.html


Brian Weeden wrote:
snip
 Aside from setting up a domain controller, can
anyone think of other ways to
 help with my problem of the master browser issue and
overall poor network
 performance?  Would running a Windows Home Server
box help at all?  Or would
 a *nix server be better?  I have some experience
with *nix (specifically
 Ubuntu)?
 
 -
 Brian Weeden
 Technical Consultant
 Secure World Foundation
 
 


  

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http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs


Re: [H] Master browser issues and possible NAS solution?

2008-02-24 Thread Winterlight


I think this is just the usual Windows TCP/IP networking BS. I have 
these kind of complaints ever since I switched from Win95 Netbui to 
WinNT TCP/IP. All the times I have tried to get things working 
better, the only thing I discovered is that mapping drives generally 
work better then browsing the network. I thought Vista was suppose to 
replace the whole TCP/IP stack and fix a lot of these problems.




At 11:54 AM 2/24/2008, you wrote:

I appreciate the advice.  Here's what gets me - I'm fairly
knowledgeable about this sort of stuff and I'm not doing anything
extraordinary.  I have 3 windows machines and a MacBook on a home LAN
with my Airport Extreme handling the DHCP duties.  And this problem
was happening with both the Netgear and D-link devices I was using
before, as well as back when I only had 2 Windows machines on the
system, so I am fairly sure it isn't any of the networking gear.

Am I missing something critical about configuration for Windows file
sharing?  All I want to be able to do is transfer files and share
media back and forth.

If I get rid of NetBIOS, I would go into the Network config and remove
File and Print Sharing?  I know back in the day you had multiple
network protocols you could bind to various adapters, so you could do
NetBUI or NetBIOS over TCP/IP.  Here's what I have now:

Client for Microsoft Networks
File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
QoS Packet Scheduler
TCP/IP

I have no idea what these three are, I think they installed with my
Wi-fi card (they only exist on my one machine):

Jumpstart Wireless Intermediate Driver
Wireless Intermediate Driver
Link-Layer Topology Discovery Responder

Wait a minute, now that I think about it, I remember back in the day
having the IPX/SPX/NetBIOS protocol - should I have that running or
no?

-
Brian Weeden

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Ben Ruset [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Your Mac is doing it because you have Windows file sharing turned on.
 If you're not sharing anything on the Mac to Windows clients then you
 shouldn't need to have it turned on.

 One thing that you could do to get around the browser issues would be to
 not rely on NetBIOS for name resolution. You could do this one of two ways:

 1) Give all of your machines static IP's, and make entries for each of
 them in each machine's hosts file.

 2) Set up a local DNS server, and have your DHCP server send over the IP
 and hostname info to the DNS server when they register a lease. This is
 easy to do with Windows DNS/DHCP, slightly harder with Linux, and
 probably impossible if you have your home router handling DHCP.

 You'd have this problem even if you had a Windows Home Server or *nix
 box running. For whatever reason NetBIOS over TCP/IP is not working
 right in your environment. You'd have the same sort of problems
 connecting to a Microsoft or Samba SMB share. Using something besides
 NetBIOS for name resolution should net you some performance benefits.


 Brian Weeden wrote:
  I've posted here before about this problem and really haven't solved
  anything yet.  For those that haven't heard my ranting before, the issue
  with the Windows on a peer-to-peer network and browsing.  If you have a

 snip