Re: [H] Playing?
I know from several other replies that you have solved this problem. Burning the wrong type disk... You saw the error you did because the HD was not FULLY erased... Some erase utilities do not go close enough to the beginning of the disk to get it all... This is sometimes why people have trouble getting a clean install on a HD they think was put back into factory condition (?actually?blank?...) When I want an HD fully erased (not security erased, just the section I am refering to), I have always used one fo the VERY old programs from IBM, ZAP or WIPE... It is getting harder to find them since I'm pretty sure ZAP only does 128 sectors (or clusters??) and Wipe only does up to 8G, and there is NO security section at all... FW/iW... Rick G - Original Message - From: DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hardware Group hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:39 PM Subject: [H] Playing? What do I need to add to my cdrw to get it to read and play? Have cd burned with a dot-iso for FreeNAS. Yes, know it is FreeBSD based. OK. The cd seems to be missing some (?) boot loader. Which one? Am getting the following msg: Verifying DMI Pool Data. Boot from ATAPI CD-ROM: Failure NTLDR is missing Press CAD to restart Where do I start? No idea why IT looks for NTLDR. The hard drive has been erased! Perhaps I need to format it yet againfrom MSDOS :) It is only 1.08GB in size, and, is really old..but still kicking I'll be up most of the night with this one. Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Playing?
Darrik's Boot n Nuke is what I use when I want to make sure a HD is wiped. http://dban.sourceforge.net/ I think there really are two problems here, which Tharin pointed out. The first is that the HD was not completely wiped and the boot sector is still there telling it to run the NTLDR, which is the boot loader for Windows. A separate issue is the CD-ROM not booting. And I'm confused about that as is Tharin. Usually when you make a bootable CD-ROM from scratch you need to not only put the data files on it but also give it a boot sector to burn. Usually you can download these boot sectors from several different places. Lots more info here: http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/ But, in your case you were using an image. The people that made the image should have already put the boot sectors into the image. So either they forgot (possible) or instead of creating a CD FROM an image you burned an image TO a CD. The difference is that with the former the CD has all the files that were inside the ISO whereas with the latter you get just the ISO file on the CD. Big difference. As Tharin said, you are looking for a File - Open - Image dialog. I know on some versions of Nero there is one of the little open file icons on the toolbar. Unfortunately I no longer use Nero so I can't give you the exact location. I'm using CD Burn XP which is a free program will all the burning functionality of Nero in a lot lighter package: http://cdburnerxp.se/ On 12/20/07, Rick Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know from several other replies that you have solved this problem. Burning the wrong type disk... You saw the error you did because the HD was not FULLY erased... Some erase utilities do not go close enough to the beginning of the disk to get it all... This is sometimes why people have trouble getting a clean install on a HD they think was put back into factory condition (?actually?blank?...) When I want an HD fully erased (not security erased, just the section I am refering to), I have always used one fo the VERY old programs from IBM, ZAP or WIPE... It is getting harder to find them since I'm pretty sure ZAP only does 128 sectors (or clusters??) and Wipe only does up to 8G, and there is NO security section at all... FW/iW... Rick G - Original Message - From: DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hardware Group hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:39 PM Subject: [H] Playing? What do I need to add to my cdrw to get it to read and play? Have cd burned with a dot-iso for FreeNAS. Yes, know it is FreeBSD based. OK. The cd seems to be missing some (?) boot loader. Which one? Am getting the following msg: Verifying DMI Pool Data. Boot from ATAPI CD-ROM: Failure NTLDR is missing Press CAD to restart Where do I start? No idea why IT looks for NTLDR. The hard drive has been erased! Perhaps I need to format it yet againfrom MSDOS :) It is only 1.08GB in size, and, is really old..but still kicking I'll be up most of the night with this one. Best, Duncan -- Brian Weeden
Re: [H] Playing?
Rick Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I want an HD fully erased (not security erased, Also the old Debug routine works well. http://www.fdisk.com/fdisk/HardDrive.htm Boot to Win98SE startup disk. (any DOS boot floppy with debug.exe on it) Type in debug at the A: prompt. Enter in the following commands: -F 220 L1000 0 (ENTER) -A CS: 100 (ENTER) :0100 MOV AX,301 (ENTER) :0103 MOV BX,200 (ENTER) :0106 MOV CX,1 (ENTER) :0109 MOV DX,80 (ENTER) ---80 for hd1, 81 for hd2 :010C INT 13 (ENTER) :010E INT 20 (ENTER) :0110 (ENTER) ---BLANK LINE VERY IMPORTANT -G (ENTER) Program terminated normally - (CTRL)-(ALT)-(DEL) to reboot system regards, al
Re: [H] Playing?
The El Torito Bootable CD Specification needs to be followed. Nero will burn this right ONLY if it is used in the original ISO, (so the ISO needs to be built correctly), and IF the ISO is NOT burned as a file, but instead burned as an IMAGE... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Torito_(CD-ROM_standard) Rick G From: Brian Weedenclipped But, in your case you were using an image. The people that made the image should have already put the boot sectors into the image. So either they forgot (possible) or instead of creating a CD FROM an image you burned an image TO a CD.
Re: [H] Playing?
DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, no. Not in the version of Nero that I am using. At 22:26 12/19/2007 -0800, you wrote: In Nero there will be an option to create a cd from an Image Nope, have not seen this. I have /make data cd/ or /make bootable cd/. as opposed to making a plain old Data cd. I'm afraid you did the latter and this is a common mistake by folks who haven't really dealt with disc images before. have made both. Neither has worked. snip Of course neither option worked because neither one is for creating a cd from a disc image. Those two options are for creating a disc from scratch. When you have an ISO you have a snapshot of a complete cd. Nero Express is setup in a flow diagram and the option for creating a CD from an image will be in the very first menu. The screen where it is asking if the type of cd will be for data, audio, photos-video, etc. If you ventured into the Data subcategory you've already goofed. An ISO file can contain data tracks, audio tracks, or both. When burning an image, Nero is just going to copy the sectors to disc and the result should be whatever it was meant to be. If Nero came with your DVD Burner it will be an OEM version/license. Sometimes those kinds of programs can be crippled but I'm pretty sure you can still burn images.
Re: [H] Playing?
Tharin Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Nero came with your DVD Burner it will be an OEM version/license. Sometimes those kinds of programs can be crippled but I'm pretty sure you can still burn images. You can test this by double-clicking on the ISO. Nero(Express) should come up with the right settings to burn it. regards, al -- Al [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Rick, Thank you for this bit of info. I have used ZAP in the past as a last ditch effort. I still have it stored if you need it. Yes, did suspect the hd had been previously in ntfs. Once I got DRDOS into its' Extended Mode, I was able to kill the partition and reset the MBR (I think). Even with this, the burned CD still failed. It appears the the oem version of Nero I have (6.0) does not handle an ISO properly. Once I erased the CD again and used the proggy from Tharin, the CD boots and I'm off in FreeNAS-land. Best, Duncan At 08:26 12/20/2007 -0500, you wrote: I know from several other replies that you have solved this problem. Burning the wrong type disk... You saw the error you did because the HD was not FULLY erased... Some erase utilities do not go close enough to the beginning of the disk to get it all... This is sometimes why people have trouble getting a clean install on a HD they think was put back into factory condition (?actually?blank?...) When I want an HD fully erased (not security erased, just the section I am refering to), I have always used one fo the VERY old programs from IBM, ZAP or WIPE... It is getting harder to find them since I'm pretty sure ZAP only does 128 sectors (or clusters??) and Wipe only does up to 8G, and there is NO security section at all... FW/iW... Rick G - Original Message - From: DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hardware Group hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:39 PM Subject: [H] Playing? What do I need to add to my cdrw to get it to read and play? Have cd burned with a dot-iso for FreeNAS. Yes, know it is FreeBSD based. OK. The cd seems to be missing some (?) boot loader. Which one? Am getting the following msg: Verifying DMI Pool Data. Boot from ATAPI CD-ROM: Failure NTLDR is missing Press CAD to restart Where do I start? No idea why IT looks for NTLDR. The hard drive has been erased! Perhaps I need to format it yet againfrom MSDOS :) It is only 1.08GB in size, and, is really old..but still kicking I'll be up most of the night with this one. Best, Duncan
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Brian, Thanks for the info. All of you called this one. Another point for the collective! A true case of dumb pilot error! More inline below. At 08:39 12/20/2007 -0500, you wrote: Darrik's Boot n Nuke is what I use when I want to make sure a HD is wiped. http://dban.sourceforge.net/ I'll go get this. I am suddenly aware of tools I do not have and/or better versions of my now very old tools that do not work any longer. Sheesh! I think there really are two problems here, which Tharin pointed out. The first is that the HD was not completely wiped and the boot sector is still there telling it to run the NTLDR, which is the boot loader for Windows. Yes, this is completely true! A separate issue is the CD-ROM not booting. And I'm confused about that as is Tharin. Usually when you make a bootable CD-ROM from scratch you need to not only put the data files on it but also give it a boot sector to burn. Usually you can download these boot sectors from several different places. Lots more info here: http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/ And another tool for my kit. Thanks for the Christmas gift! But, in your case you were using an image. The people that made the image should have already put the boot sectors into the image. So either they forgot (possible) or instead of creating a CD FROM an image you burned an image TO a CD. The difference is that with the former the CD has all the files that were inside the ISO whereas with the latter you get just the ISO file on the CD. Big difference. Yes, this is also correct! But Nero appears not to process an ISO file properly and I did not know this. And, in truth, I am a Nero N00b also. The dashboard gave me two choices /burn data to a CD/ and /make a bootable CD/. Neither of these choices produced a correct CD of the ISO I have. Once I went and got the ISOBurn proggy from Tharin's link, the ISO got burned properly and I am now playing with FreeNAS and my pile of junk! As Tharin said, you are looking for a File - Open - Image dialog. I know on some versions of Nero there is one of the little open file icons on the toolbar. Unfortunately I no longer use Nero so I can't give you the exact location. I will go look deeper into Nero, but just for background. Think I'll really go get the CDBurnXP from your link below! Another gift!!! :) I'm using CD Burn XP which is a free program will all the burning functionality of Nero in a lot lighter package: http://cdburnerxp.se/ Best, Duncan snip
Re: [H] Playing?
Thanks Al, This is the one routine I completely forgot about. But I do recall using it many times back in 1990-2000. Looking back, even with the wrongly burned CD (try #2) with the DRDOS boot loader, I noticed that DEBUG was part of the load... Completely forgot about this in the heat of battle. LOL! Best, Duncan At 08:53 12/20/2007 -0500, you wrote: Rick Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I want an HD fully erased (not security erased, Also the old Debug routine works well. http://www.fdisk.com/fdisk/HardDrive.htm Boot to Win98SE startup disk. (any DOS boot floppy with debug.exe on it) Type in debug at the A: prompt. Enter in the following commands: -F 220 L1000 0 (ENTER) -A CS: 100 (ENTER) :0100 MOV AX,301 (ENTER) :0103 MOV BX,200 (ENTER) :0106 MOV CX,1 (ENTER) :0109 MOV DX,80 (ENTER) ---80 for hd1, 81 for hd2 :010C INT 13 (ENTER) :010E INT 20 (ENTER) :0110 (ENTER) ---BLANK LINE VERY IMPORTANT -G (ENTER) Program terminated normally - (CTRL)-(ALT)-(DEL) to reboot system regards, al
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The fact that the hard drive was formatted with Win2K/XP is why you see the NTLDR message, this is nothing to worry about. The more pressing issue is why your CD-ROM did not boot. If the cd was burned properly it should have booted. An ISO is a disc image and would already contain the necessary boot loader if thats how the cd was meant to be used. Did you actually create a cd FROM a disc image or did you just place the iso file onto the cd??? What I mean is if you look at the contents of your cd drive from windows do you see a bunch of files or just one little lonely iso file?? The burned cd should have a volume name of FreeNAS_cd, a directory called boot and a couple of gnuzipped files in the root path, 17 files in all on the cd. Just in case... try using Active@ ISO Burner, a small freeware utility, to burn a new disc. It is designed to just burn iso files. Dummy proof for a sod like me :) Download Page http://www.ntfs.com/iso-burning.htm Direct Link http://www.ntfs.com/downloads/Iso-burner.exe -Tharin O. DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do I need to add to my cdrw to get it to read and play? Have cd burned with a dot-iso for FreeNAS. Yes, know it is FreeBSD based. OK. The cd seems to be missing some (?) boot loader. Which one? Am getting the following msg: Verifying DMI Pool Data. Boot from ATAPI CD-ROM: Failure NTLDR is missing Press CAD to restart Where do I start? No idea why IT looks for NTLDR. The hard drive has been erased! Perhaps I need to format it yet againfrom MSDOS :) It is only 1.08GB in size, and, is really old..but still kicking I'll be up most of the night with this one. Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Playing?
Well, no. Not in the version of Nero that I am using. At 22:26 12/19/2007 -0800, you wrote: In Nero there will be an option to create a cd from an Image Nope, have not seen this. I have /make data cd/ or /make bootable cd/. as opposed to making a plain old Data cd. I'm afraid you did the latter and this is a common mistake by folks who haven't really dealt with disc images before. have made both. Neither has worked. Depending on whether you are using Nero, Nero Express Believe it is Nero Express. /It was a free cd with my dvd burners from AOpen. Says v6.0. , or the Nero gui frontend, the option to do it is in a different place. If need be, check the 'Help' in Nero. I will.later. I'm sure they have a section dedicated on the proper way to burn ISO and other cd image formats. -Tharin Olsen thanks for the good pointers, again.. Best, Duncan
