Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-11-01 Thread Greg Sevart
Start8 is pretty good. It's a reasonably close, but custom re-implementation
of Microsoft's menu. Earlier versions had some annoying bugs (rename your
computer? Start8 is broken until you uninstall AND also search and destroy
all files and reg keys) that may or may not have been resolved over time. I
still use (and update) it on a few of my earlier Win8 and Win2012
installations since I did buy a number of licenses.

Classic Shell is free. It has the most customization, but feels the least
like Microsoft's menu. I use it on Windows Server images since it's free.

StartIsBack I like the best. The Win8 version supposedly simply exposes
Microsoft's own, hidden functionality, whereas the Win8.1 version is a
rewrite that I have far less experience with. It feels the most native and
has a less cumbersome activation mechanism than Start8. I bought the
business version, which even allows me to manage my own (de)activations.

All are vastly superior to Microsoft's crap interface, but since all are
virtually free (less than a decent cheeseburger) if you're only running a
handful of computers, it only makes sense to use the best.

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[mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of FORC5
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 2:44 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

interesting, just installed start 8, MUCHO better. for now I am OK.
curious what is different other then the price. ? Cheap enough to try both
and the there is the free one, not sure I trust free. :-D

I keep a open mind .
fp


At 10:06 AM 11/1/2013, Greg Sevart Poked the stick with:
>Agreed, though I have to echo Bryan's comments - I purchased a bunch of 
>Start8 licenses, but have abandoned them after trying (and
>buying) StartIsback.

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Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-11-01 Thread DSinc

WOW! Never thought of that... :)
Duncan

On 11/01/2013 16:14, FORC5 wrote:
young ppl that use smart phones and tablets would adapt easily, my 
only B was getting under the hood was a pain, but doable. Most ppl do 
not even know that stuff is there.
was able to pretty much find everything, shortcuts mostly still work. 
But it is a major change but the system seems OK.
having start back is a comfort, but I came kicking a screaming from 
DOS. <:-|

name changes and makeup. W8 must be female :-D
fp

At 12:57 PM 11/1/2013, DSinc Poked the stick with:

Thank you Jin-Wei,
Now, I know that HWG is/are early adopters. Fine. Part of the genome.
But three choices to make W8 personally palatable? MS must have 
really goofed a bit.
No harm, no foul. I am just following this 
thread.

Duncan


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Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-11-01 Thread FORC5
young ppl that use smart phones and tablets would adapt easily, my 
only B was getting under the hood was a pain, but doable. Most ppl do 
not even know that stuff is there.
was able to pretty much find everything, shortcuts mostly still work. 
But it is a major change but the system seems OK.

having start back is a comfort, but I came kicking a screaming from DOS. <:-|
name changes and makeup. W8 must be female :-D
fp

At 12:57 PM 11/1/2013, DSinc Poked the stick with:

Thank you Jin-Wei,
Now, I know that HWG is/are early adopters. Fine. Part of the genome.
But three choices to make W8 personally palatable? MS must have 
really goofed a bit.
No harm, no foul. I am just following this 
thread.

Duncan


Date:  Friday, November 1st, 2013

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Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-11-01 Thread DSinc

Thank you Jin-Wei,
Now, I know that HWG is/are early adopters. Fine. Part of the genome.
But three choices to make W8 personally palatable? MS must have really 
goofed a bit.
No harm, no foul. I am just following this 
thread.

Duncan

On 11/01/2013 15:46, Jin-Wei Tioh wrote:

There's Start8, StartIsBack, and ClassicShell.


At 09:38 AM 10/31/2013, you wrote:

Is the classic menu available in windows 8 ?
I see on Google add on ones.
got my son's new laptop, not fired it up yet.
have a replacement MB for the old one.

games a foot 8-)
thanks
FP

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Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-11-01 Thread Jin-Wei Tioh

There's Start8, StartIsBack, and ClassicShell.


At 09:38 AM 10/31/2013, you wrote:

Is the classic menu available in windows 8 ?
I see on Google add on ones.
got my son's new laptop, not fired it up yet.
have a replacement MB for the old one.

games a foot 8-)
thanks
FP

Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013

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Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-11-01 Thread FORC5

interesting, just installed start 8, MUCHO better. for now I am OK.
curious what is different other then the price. ? Cheap enough to try 
both and the there is the free one, not sure I trust free. :-D


I keep a open mind .
fp


At 10:06 AM 11/1/2013, Greg Sevart Poked the stick with:
Agreed, though I have to echo Bryan's comments - I purchased a bunch 
of Start8 licenses, but have abandoned them after trying (and 
buying) StartIsback.


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Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-11-01 Thread DSinc

Greg,
I have been following this thread. Your last share is a big CON to me 
along with all the others focused shares..

I will move to W7pro and just hold.
Thanks,
Duncan

On 11/01/2013 13:06, Greg Sevart wrote:

Agreed, though I have to echo Bryan's comments - I purchased a bunch of Start8 
licenses, but have abandoned them after trying (and buying) StartIsback.

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[mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lider
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 10:14 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

Yes in Windows 8 or Windows 8.1.  This is were Start8 helps out.  There is a 
the Windows Vista/7 Devices and Printers Window. There is also a Control Panel 
as well. Admin is so much easier with Start8 installed.

On November 1, 2013 at 8:03 AM FORC5  wrote:

u mean win 8 ?
fp

At 06:27 AM 11/1/2013, Tim Lider Poked the stick with:

I know what you mean. If Start8 is installed it is difficult to get
to the correct devices and printers screen. I do say it makes it
harder to repair Windows now. But, it is a lot faster and more fun to use.

Regards,

On October 31, 2013 at 10:24 PM FORC5  wrote:

playing with this all day, leaning towards one of the programs to
get the start menu back, updated to 8.1 and had to re install the
drivers to get the nVidia card back. what a pain.

is quick and responsive. definitely not designed for anyone who
likes to look under the hood :-D quite a learning curve for a old
guy.
thanks
fp

At 05:09 PM 10/31/2013, Bryan Seitz Poked the stick with:

I feel like if you read down a bit, I mention startisback.com
:)  But that was my response to when he said 'currently leaving stock'.

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 03:08:32PM -0700, Tim Lider wrote:

If you do not want to see the Metro start menu get an app

that makes so a

Windows 7 start menu appears. There are a few of them.  My

personal favorite is

Start8.



https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39587100/Screenshot%202013-10-20
%2006.35.38.png

The link shows a picture with Windows 8.1 running with Start8 running.

Regards,



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Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-11-01 Thread Greg Sevart
Agreed, though I have to echo Bryan's comments - I purchased a bunch of Start8 
licenses, but have abandoned them after trying (and buying) StartIsback.

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[mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lider
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 10:14 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

Yes in Windows 8 or Windows 8.1.  This is were Start8 helps out.  There is a 
the Windows Vista/7 Devices and Printers Window. There is also a Control Panel 
as well. Admin is so much easier with Start8 installed.

On November 1, 2013 at 8:03 AM FORC5  wrote:
> u mean win 8 ?
> fp
>
> At 06:27 AM 11/1/2013, Tim Lider Poked the stick with:
> >I know what you mean. If Start8 is installed it is difficult to get 
> >to the correct devices and printers screen. I do say it makes it 
> >harder to repair Windows now. But, it is a lot faster and more fun to use.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >On October 31, 2013 at 10:24 PM FORC5  wrote:
> > > playing with this all day, leaning towards one of the programs to 
> > > get the start menu back, updated to 8.1 and had to re install the 
> > > drivers to get the nVidia card back. what a pain.
> > >
> > > is quick and responsive. definitely not designed for anyone who 
> > > likes to look under the hood :-D quite a learning curve for a old 
> > > guy.
> > > thanks
> > > fp
> > >
> > > At 05:09 PM 10/31/2013, Bryan Seitz Poked the stick with:
> > > >I feel like if you read down a bit, I mention startisback.com
> > > >:)  But that was my response to when he said 'currently leaving stock'.
> > > >
> > > >On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 03:08:32PM -0700, Tim Lider wrote:
> > > > > If you do not want to see the Metro start menu get an app
> > that makes so a
> > > > > Windows 7 start menu appears. There are a few of them.  My
> > > > personal favorite is
> > > > > Start8.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39587100/Screenshot%202013-10-20
> > %2006.35.38.png
> > > > >
> > > > > The link shows a picture with Windows 8.1 running with Start8 running.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013
> > >
> > > ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
> > >  **Tallyho**
> > > **
> > >Ever stop to think and forget to start
> > >again?
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >Tim Lider
> >Sr. Data Recovery Specialist
> >Advanced Data Solutions, LLC
> >http://www.adv-data.com
> >timli...@adv-data.com
>
> Date:  Friday, November 1st, 2013
>
> ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
>  **Tallyho**
> **
>  Trust God, but always tie and watch
> your camel all night.
> **
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Tim Lider
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Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-11-01 Thread Tim Lider
Yes in Windows 8 or Windows 8.1.  This is were Start8 helps out.  There is a the
Windows Vista/7 Devices and Printers Window. There is also a Control Panel as
well. Admin is so much easier with Start8 installed.

On November 1, 2013 at 8:03 AM FORC5  wrote:
> u mean win 8 ?
> fp
>
> At 06:27 AM 11/1/2013, Tim Lider Poked the stick with:
> >I know what you mean. If Start8 is installed it is difficult to get to the
> >correct devices and printers screen. I do say it makes it harder to repair
> >Windows now. But, it is a lot faster and more fun to use.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >On October 31, 2013 at 10:24 PM FORC5  wrote:
> > > playing with this all day, leaning towards one of the programs to get
> > > the start menu back, updated to 8.1 and had to re install the drivers
> > > to get the nVidia card back. what a pain.
> > >
> > > is quick and responsive. definitely not designed for anyone who likes
> > > to look under the hood :-D
> > > quite a learning curve for a old guy.
> > > thanks
> > > fp
> > >
> > > At 05:09 PM 10/31/2013, Bryan Seitz Poked the stick with:
> > > >I feel like if you read down a bit, I mention startisback.com
> > > >:)  But that was my response to when he said 'currently leaving stock'.
> > > >
> > > >On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 03:08:32PM -0700, Tim Lider wrote:
> > > > > If you do not want to see the Metro start menu get an app
> > that makes so a
> > > > > Windows 7 start menu appears. There are a few of them.  My
> > > > personal favorite is
> > > > > Start8.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39587100/Screenshot%202013-10-20%2006.35.38.png
> > > > >
> > > > > The link shows a picture with Windows 8.1 running with Start8 running.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013
> > >
> > > ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
> > >  **Tallyho**
> > > **
> > >Ever stop to think and forget to start
> > >again?
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >Tim Lider
> >Sr. Data Recovery Specialist
> >Advanced Data Solutions, LLC
> >http://www.adv-data.com
> >timli...@adv-data.com
>
> Date:  Friday, November 1st, 2013
>
> ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
>  **Tallyho**
> **
>  Trust God, but always tie and watch
> your camel all night.
> **
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Tim Lider
Sr. Data Recovery Specialist
Advanced Data Solutions, LLC
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Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-11-01 Thread FORC5

u mean win 8 ?
fp

At 06:27 AM 11/1/2013, Tim Lider Poked the stick with:

I know what you mean. If Start8 is installed it is difficult to get to the
correct devices and printers screen. I do say it makes it harder to repair
Windows now. But, it is a lot faster and more fun to use.

Regards,

On October 31, 2013 at 10:24 PM FORC5  wrote:
> playing with this all day, leaning towards one of the programs to get
> the start menu back, updated to 8.1 and had to re install the drivers
> to get the nVidia card back. what a pain.
>
> is quick and responsive. definitely not designed for anyone who likes
> to look under the hood :-D
> quite a learning curve for a old guy.
> thanks
> fp
>
> At 05:09 PM 10/31/2013, Bryan Seitz Poked the stick with:
> >I feel like if you read down a bit, I mention startisback.com
> >:)  But that was my response to when he said 'currently leaving stock'.
> >
> >On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 03:08:32PM -0700, Tim Lider wrote:
> > > If you do not want to see the Metro start menu get an app 
that makes so a

> > > Windows 7 start menu appears. There are a few of them.  My
> > personal favorite is
> > > Start8.
> > >
> > >
> > 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39587100/Screenshot%202013-10-20%2006.35.38.png

> > >
> > > The link shows a picture with Windows 8.1 running with Start8 running.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
>
> Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013
>
> ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
>  **Tallyho**
> **
>Ever stop to think and forget to start
>again?
> **
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Tim Lider
Sr. Data Recovery Specialist
Advanced Data Solutions, LLC
http://www.adv-data.com
timli...@adv-data.com


Date:  Friday, November 1st, 2013

   ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
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Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-11-01 Thread Tim Lider
I know what you mean. If Start8 is installed it is difficult to get to the
correct devices and printers screen. I do say it makes it harder to repair
Windows now. But, it is a lot faster and more fun to use.

Regards,

On October 31, 2013 at 10:24 PM FORC5  wrote:
> playing with this all day, leaning towards one of the programs to get
> the start menu back, updated to 8.1 and had to re install the drivers
> to get the nVidia card back. what a pain.
>
> is quick and responsive. definitely not designed for anyone who likes
> to look under the hood :-D
> quite a learning curve for a old guy.
> thanks
> fp
>
> At 05:09 PM 10/31/2013, Bryan Seitz Poked the stick with:
> >I feel like if you read down a bit, I mention startisback.com
> >:)  But that was my response to when he said 'currently leaving stock'.
> >
> >On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 03:08:32PM -0700, Tim Lider wrote:
> > > If you do not want to see the Metro start menu get an app that makes so a
> > > Windows 7 start menu appears. There are a few of them.  My
> > personal favorite is
> > > Start8.
> > >
> > >
> > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39587100/Screenshot%202013-10-20%2006.35.38.png
> > >
> > > The link shows a picture with Windows 8.1 running with Start8 running.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
>
> Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013
>
> ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
>  **Tallyho**
> **
>Ever stop to think and forget to start
>again?
> **
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Tim Lider
Sr. Data Recovery Specialist
Advanced Data Solutions, LLC
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Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-10-31 Thread FORC5
playing with this all day, leaning towards one of the programs to get 
the start menu back, updated to 8.1 and had to re install the drivers 
to get the nVidia card back. what a pain.


is quick and responsive. definitely not designed for anyone who likes 
to look under the hood :-D

quite a learning curve for a old guy.
thanks
fp

At 05:09 PM 10/31/2013, Bryan Seitz Poked the stick with:
I feel like if you read down a bit, I mention startisback.com 
:)  But that was my response to when he said 'currently leaving stock'.


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 03:08:32PM -0700, Tim Lider wrote:
> If you do not want to see the Metro start menu get an app that makes so a
> Windows 7 start menu appears. There are a few of them.  My 
personal favorite is

> Start8.
>
> 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39587100/Screenshot%202013-10-20%2006.35.38.png

>
> The link shows a picture with Windows 8.1 running with Start8 running.
>
> Regards,
>
>


Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013

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Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-10-31 Thread Bryan Seitz
I feel like if you read down a bit, I mention startisback.com :)  But that was 
my response to when he said 'currently leaving stock'.

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 03:08:32PM -0700, Tim Lider wrote:
> If you do not want to see the Metro start menu get an app that makes so a
> Windows 7 start menu appears. There are a few of them.  My personal favorite 
> is
> Start8.
> 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39587100/Screenshot%202013-10-20%2006.35.38.png
> 
> The link shows a picture with Windows 8.1 running with Start8 running.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> On October 31, 2013 at 1:45 PM Bryan Seitz  wrote:
> > My issue is I don't ever ever ever want to see metro, ever ever ever. :)
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 01:17:21PM -0700, FORC5 wrote:
> > > currently leaving it stock, am finding pretty much what I need to
> > > find. Only real bug is I can not get it to boot to the ODD. ( blue ray
> > > burner )
> > > reset boot order in bios but somewhere I read that W8 does not turn
> > > off but goto advanced hybernation, where can I fix that ?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > At 10:37 AM 10/31/2013, Bryan Seitz Poked the stick with:
> > > >startisback.com is the best hands down, I've used them all.
> > > >
> > > >On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:36:13AM -0600, Jamie Furtner wrote:
> > > > > Not from Microsoft - I've used Classic Shell and it can be pretty
> > > > close to Windows 7.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you haven't already, I'd suggest updating to 8.1 (free through
> > > > the Windows Store). It does bring the start button back, but not
> > > > any of the menus. You can also configure 8.1 to boot to the
> > > > desktop, and to default to showing all apps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jamie
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jamie Furtner (ja...@furtner.ca)
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:38 AM, FORC5  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is the classic menu available in windows 8 ?
> > > > > > I see on Google add on ones.
> > > > > > got my son's new laptop, not fired it up yet.
> > > > > > have a replacement MB for the old one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > games a foot 8-)
> > > > > > thanks
> > > > > > FP
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
> > > > > >**Tallyho**
> > > > > > **
> > > > > > If guns are outlawed, can we use
> > > > > >  swords?
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >
> > > >Bryan G. Seitz
> > >
> > > Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013
> > >
> > > ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
> > >  **Tallyho**
> > > **
> > >   Each young doctor means a new graveyard.
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > 
> > Bryan G. Seitz
> Tim Lider
> Sr. Data Recovery Specialist
> Advanced Data Solutions, LLC
> http://www.adv-data.com
> timli...@adv-data.com

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Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-10-31 Thread FORC5
will try but even when I hit f 12 ( and on the rare occasion it deems 
me worthy) and I select ODD boot, no go.


hooked the SSD to my w7 system and got the firmware updated.

have not tried booting to another disk other then the firmware update disk.

not liking the w8 interface but will be son's system, up to him.


At 02:41 PM 10/31/2013, Thane Sherrington Poked the stick with:

At 05:17 PM 31/10/2013, FORC5 wrote:
currently leaving it stock, am finding pretty much what I need to 
find. Only real bug is I can not get it to boot to the ODD. ( blue ray burner )
reset boot order in bios but somewhere I read that W8 does not turn 
off but goto advanced hybernation, where can I fix that ?


It may be that you're set to UFEI boot.  Try switching to legacy.

T



Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013

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Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-10-31 Thread FORC5
has not bugged me to update or buy w8.1 I assumed that update would 
be included.


getting around OK, finding most everything but then can't re find it :-D
too old to be re trained, my son I'm sure can handle it fine.

thanks
fp

At 03:08 PM 10/31/2013, Tim Lider Poked the stick with:

If you do not want to see the Metro start menu get an app that makes so a
Windows 7 start menu appears. There are a few of them.  My personal 
favorite is

Start8.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39587100/Screenshot%202013-10-20%2006.35.38.png

The link shows a picture with Windows 8.1 running with Start8 running.

Regards,


On October 31, 2013 at 1:45 PM Bryan Seitz  wrote:
> My issue is I don't ever ever ever want to see metro, ever ever ever. :)
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 01:17:21PM -0700, FORC5 wrote:
> > currently leaving it stock, am finding pretty much what I need to
> > find. Only real bug is I can not get it to boot to the ODD. ( blue ray
> > burner )
> > reset boot order in bios but somewhere I read that W8 does not turn
> > off but goto advanced hybernation, where can I fix that ?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > At 10:37 AM 10/31/2013, Bryan Seitz Poked the stick with:
> > >startisback.com is the best hands down, I've used them all.
> > >
> > >On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:36:13AM -0600, Jamie Furtner wrote:
> > > > Not from Microsoft - I've used Classic Shell and it can be pretty
> > > close to Windows 7.
> > > >
> > > > If you haven't already, I'd suggest updating to 8.1 (free through
> > > the Windows Store). It does bring the start button back, but not
> > > any of the menus. You can also configure 8.1 to boot to the
> > > desktop, and to default to showing all apps.
> > > >
> > > > Jamie
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jamie Furtner (ja...@furtner.ca)
> > > >
> > > > > On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:38 AM, FORC5  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the classic menu available in windows 8 ?
> > > > > I see on Google add on ones.
> > > > > got my son's new laptop, not fired it up yet.
> > > > > have a replacement MB for the old one.
> > > > >
> > > > > games a foot 8-)
> > > > > thanks
> > > > > FP
> > > > >
> > > > > Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013
> > > > >
> > > > >   ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
> > > > >**Tallyho**
> > > > > **
> > > > > If guns are outlawed, can we use
> > > > >  swords?
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >Bryan G. Seitz
> >
> > Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013
> >
> > ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
> >  **Tallyho**
> > **
> >   Each young doctor means a new graveyard.
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> Bryan G. Seitz
Tim Lider
Sr. Data Recovery Specialist
Advanced Data Solutions, LLC
http://www.adv-data.com
timli...@adv-data.com


Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013

   ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
**Tallyho**
**
  An institution is the lengthened shadow
of one man.
**












Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-10-31 Thread Tim Lider
If you do not want to see the Metro start menu get an app that makes so a
Windows 7 start menu appears. There are a few of them.  My personal favorite is
Start8.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39587100/Screenshot%202013-10-20%2006.35.38.png

The link shows a picture with Windows 8.1 running with Start8 running.

Regards,


On October 31, 2013 at 1:45 PM Bryan Seitz  wrote:
> My issue is I don't ever ever ever want to see metro, ever ever ever. :)
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 01:17:21PM -0700, FORC5 wrote:
> > currently leaving it stock, am finding pretty much what I need to
> > find. Only real bug is I can not get it to boot to the ODD. ( blue ray
> > burner )
> > reset boot order in bios but somewhere I read that W8 does not turn
> > off but goto advanced hybernation, where can I fix that ?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > At 10:37 AM 10/31/2013, Bryan Seitz Poked the stick with:
> > >startisback.com is the best hands down, I've used them all.
> > >
> > >On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:36:13AM -0600, Jamie Furtner wrote:
> > > > Not from Microsoft - I've used Classic Shell and it can be pretty
> > > close to Windows 7.
> > > >
> > > > If you haven't already, I'd suggest updating to 8.1 (free through
> > > the Windows Store). It does bring the start button back, but not
> > > any of the menus. You can also configure 8.1 to boot to the
> > > desktop, and to default to showing all apps.
> > > >
> > > > Jamie
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jamie Furtner (ja...@furtner.ca)
> > > >
> > > > > On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:38 AM, FORC5  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the classic menu available in windows 8 ?
> > > > > I see on Google add on ones.
> > > > > got my son's new laptop, not fired it up yet.
> > > > > have a replacement MB for the old one.
> > > > >
> > > > > games a foot 8-)
> > > > > thanks
> > > > > FP
> > > > >
> > > > > Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013
> > > > >
> > > > >   ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
> > > > >**Tallyho**
> > > > > **
> > > > > If guns are outlawed, can we use
> > > > >  swords?
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >Bryan G. Seitz
> >
> > Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013
> >
> > ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
> >  **Tallyho**
> > **
> >   Each young doctor means a new graveyard.
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> 
> Bryan G. Seitz
Tim Lider
Sr. Data Recovery Specialist
Advanced Data Solutions, LLC
http://www.adv-data.com
timli...@adv-data.com


Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-10-31 Thread Thane Sherrington

At 05:17 PM 31/10/2013, FORC5 wrote:
currently leaving it stock, am finding pretty much what I need to 
find. Only real bug is I can not get it to boot to the ODD. ( blue ray burner )
reset boot order in bios but somewhere I read that W8 does not turn 
off but goto advanced hybernation, where can I fix that ?


It may be that you're set to UFEI boot.  Try switching to legacy.

T 






Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-10-31 Thread Bryan Seitz
My issue is I don't ever ever ever want to see metro, ever ever ever. :)

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 01:17:21PM -0700, FORC5 wrote:
> currently leaving it stock, am finding pretty much what I need to 
> find. Only real bug is I can not get it to boot to the ODD. ( blue ray burner 
> )
> reset boot order in bios but somewhere I read that W8 does not turn 
> off but goto advanced hybernation, where can I fix that ?
> 
> thanks
> 
> At 10:37 AM 10/31/2013, Bryan Seitz Poked the stick with:
> >startisback.com is the best hands down, I've used them all.
> >
> >On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:36:13AM -0600, Jamie Furtner wrote:
> > > Not from Microsoft - I've used Classic Shell and it can be pretty 
> > close to Windows 7.
> > >
> > > If you haven't already, I'd suggest updating to 8.1 (free through 
> > the Windows Store). It does bring the start button back, but not 
> > any of the menus. You can also configure 8.1 to boot to the 
> > desktop, and to default to showing all apps.
> > >
> > > Jamie
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jamie Furtner (ja...@furtner.ca)
> > >
> > > > On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:38 AM, FORC5  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is the classic menu available in windows 8 ?
> > > > I see on Google add on ones.
> > > > got my son's new laptop, not fired it up yet.
> > > > have a replacement MB for the old one.
> > > >
> > > > games a foot 8-)
> > > > thanks
> > > > FP
> > > >
> > > > Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013
> > > >
> > > >   ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
> > > >**Tallyho**
> > > > **
> > > > If guns are outlawed, can we use
> > > >  swords?
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Bryan G. Seitz
> 
> Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013
> 
> ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
>  **Tallyho**
> **
>   Each young doctor means a new graveyard.
> **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
 
Bryan G. Seitz


Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-10-31 Thread FORC5
currently leaving it stock, am finding pretty much what I need to 
find. Only real bug is I can not get it to boot to the ODD. ( blue ray burner )
reset boot order in bios but somewhere I read that W8 does not turn 
off but goto advanced hybernation, where can I fix that ?


thanks

At 10:37 AM 10/31/2013, Bryan Seitz Poked the stick with:

startisback.com is the best hands down, I've used them all.

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:36:13AM -0600, Jamie Furtner wrote:
> Not from Microsoft - I've used Classic Shell and it can be pretty 
close to Windows 7.

>
> If you haven't already, I'd suggest updating to 8.1 (free through 
the Windows Store). It does bring the start button back, but not 
any of the menus. You can also configure 8.1 to boot to the 
desktop, and to default to showing all apps.

>
> Jamie
>
> --
> Jamie Furtner (ja...@furtner.ca)
>
> > On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:38 AM, FORC5  wrote:
> >
> > Is the classic menu available in windows 8 ?
> > I see on Google add on ones.
> > got my son's new laptop, not fired it up yet.
> > have a replacement MB for the old one.
> >
> > games a foot 8-)
> > thanks
> > FP
> >
> > Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013
> >
> >   ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
> >**Tallyho**
> > **
> > If guns are outlawed, can we use
> >  swords?
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

--

Bryan G. Seitz


Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013

   ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
**Tallyho**
**
 Each young doctor means a new graveyard.
**












Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-10-31 Thread Bryan Seitz
startisback.com is the best hands down, I've used them all.

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:36:13AM -0600, Jamie Furtner wrote:
> Not from Microsoft - I've used Classic Shell and it can be pretty close to 
> Windows 7.
> 
> If you haven't already, I'd suggest updating to 8.1 (free through the Windows 
> Store). It does bring the start button back, but not any of the menus. You 
> can also configure 8.1 to boot to the desktop, and to default to showing all 
> apps.
> 
> Jamie
> 
> --
> Jamie Furtner (ja...@furtner.ca)
> 
> > On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:38 AM, FORC5  wrote:
> > 
> > Is the classic menu available in windows 8 ?
> > I see on Google add on ones.
> > got my son's new laptop, not fired it up yet.
> > have a replacement MB for the old one.
> > 
> > games a foot 8-)
> > thanks
> > FP
> > 
> > Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013
> > 
> >   ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
> >**Tallyho**
> > **
> > If guns are outlawed, can we use
> >  swords?
> > **
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 

-- 
 
Bryan G. Seitz


Re: [H] W8 classic menu ?

2013-10-31 Thread Jamie Furtner
Not from Microsoft - I've used Classic Shell and it can be pretty close to 
Windows 7.

If you haven't already, I'd suggest updating to 8.1 (free through the Windows 
Store). It does bring the start button back, but not any of the menus. You can 
also configure 8.1 to boot to the desktop, and to default to showing all apps.

Jamie

--
Jamie Furtner (ja...@furtner.ca)

> On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:38 AM, FORC5  wrote:
> 
> Is the classic menu available in windows 8 ?
> I see on Google add on ones.
> got my son's new laptop, not fired it up yet.
> have a replacement MB for the old one.
> 
> games a foot 8-)
> thanks
> FP
> 
> Date:  Thursday, October 31st, 2013
> 
>   ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
>**Tallyho**
> **
> If guns are outlawed, can we use
>  swords?
> **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>