Re: [Ha-Safran] Information business

2003-10-03 Thread ssuss
Personally, I think that people might be turned off
from libraries by the attitude the OCLC is displaying.
Is there going to be a run of library theme products?
Are they afraid of Dewey World, instead of Disney?

I don't believe in taking advantage of others' hard work,
intellectual property, etc., but it seems libraries could always use
more positive PR.

Shira Sussman
Chgo, IL

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Re: [Ha-Safran] Information business

2003-10-02 Thread Chana Adar
Hi, not directly related to Andrea's question,
and there is extensive discussion and writing
on the topic in other fields,
yet related to a discussion of the library
in a democracratic society,
to the imparting of knowledge and wisdom
as Dan has put forth to us,
we could take a look at literature
in the cognitive sciences,
the literature of cognitive growth and
development in humans.

Cognitive faculties are influenced by a variety
of conditions internal and external,
by relationships as well as by data and details,
by the inner and ongoing developments of cognitive faculties
not defined solely by the acquisition and
trading of information and data.

So I'd add a slim volume of Duckworth on Piaget here
if not the original works themselves.

And something on good tea, too! (smiling)

L'shana tova
v'ahavah
Chana

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RE: [Ha-Safran] Information business

2003-10-01 Thread Ted Koppel
Dan,

This is an enjoyable and thought-provoking exchange of views - a phenomenon 
that doesn't happen often enough.  For your active defense of tradition and 
an earlier and simpler life, you are to be commended.  Even if I disagree.

Ted

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RE: [Ha-Safran] Information business

2003-10-01 Thread Rettberg, Dan
Thanks, Eli, for an erudite and thought-provoking response.  But, I do have 
a couple of caveats (You thought I woudn't?!).  You say, It is about time 
that we present ourselves using current terminology.  You also say, We 
should feel comfortable using those terms because they accurately describe 
our duties and functions.  I'm afraid I'm not that much of a 
pragmatist.  As  I have attempted to make clear, I don't object to modern 
technology, per se, but I do object when the use of that technology leads 
to a change in our perception of exactly what the nature of our work may 
be, and much more basically the exact nature of the world of which we are 
among the guides.  Those who use that terminology clearly do not do so in a 
neutral way.  I still remember a friend and colleague at another 
institution, who said that as soon as someone invented the wheel, our 
relationship to the ground changed.  That is philosophy, not neutral 
terminology.  Academic librarians have struggled for years against the 
perception that they are simply glorified secretaries (My apologies to 
all secretaries, for whom I have the highest respect; I am only repeating 
what others have said.).  I don't want us to give the ignorant even more 
ammunition to use against us.  It's bad enough that too many administrators 
see technology as a means of speading up production, and see additional 
advanced degrees only as a means of making the library look better in the 
eyes of the public.  In one way I am a pragmatist.  I will use just about 
any technology available so long as it does what I want it to do.  I'm not 
particularly concerned about adopting it just because the rest of the world 
thinks I should.  And, yes we do still have a card catalog here, with an 
active manual shelf list, but we also have an online catalog, full internet 
connections, and a wide variety of both electronic and printed 
resources.  We use what works for us and what fits our budget.

Best,

Dan Rettberg
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RE: [Ha-Safran] Information business

2003-10-01 Thread Rettberg, Dan
Thanks, Ted.  I'ld like to thank you and everyone else who has written in 
response to one or another point.  I believe we are at our best as an 
organization and on this list when we are discussing such issues.  So, 
where are the rest of our friends and colleagues out in Virtual 
Land?  Let's hear from more Safranim on these issues.

Best,

Dan
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