[Histonet] Histology Lab Plan

[ADESUPO ADESUYI]

Hi,
Please I will appreciate it if you guys could share your histology lab plan 
with me especially the lean type. We are in the process of building a new lean 
histology lab and all new suggestions will be appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
Adesupo.
  
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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[jeff lowen]

We may not be considered "laboratory professionals", but we might just have 
more fun than they do ?

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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 23:43:48 +
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu

Do it! For all of us!
 
 
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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Emily Sours
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:24 PM
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Seriously, I can go home?!
I'm going to tell my boss that Sarah Dysart said I could go home.  When she 
asks who that is, I'll just look at her and repeat your name.  Slowly.
And walk away.
 
Emily
 
"By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their 
own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for 
their lives. Move forward."
 
-Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"
 
 
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Sarah Dysart  wrote:
 
>
> I hope everyone has a great rest of your day, and some people I think 
> need to go home and have a drink =)
>
> Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP), QIHC (ASCP) Histotechnologist Mirna 
> Therapeutics
> 2150 Woodward Street
> Suite 100
> Austin, Texas  78744
> (512)901-0900 ext. 6912
>
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Re: [Histonet] Help

[Jay Lundgren]

lol


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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID)]

Do it! For all of us!


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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Emily Sours
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:24 PM
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Seriously, I can go home?!
I'm going to tell my boss that Sarah Dysart said I could go home.  When she 
asks who that is, I'll just look at her and repeat your name.  Slowly.
And walk away.

Emily

"By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their 
own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for 
their lives. Move forward."

-Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Sarah Dysart  wrote:

>
> I hope everyone has a great rest of your day, and some people I think 
> need to go home and have a drink =)
>
> Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP), QIHC (ASCP) Histotechnologist Mirna 
> Therapeutics
> 2150 Woodward Street
> Suite 100
> Austin, Texas  78744
> (512)901-0900 ext. 6912
>
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RE: [Histonet] Equipment selection

[joelle weaver]

I think all of these you listed are solid instruments. I am building a lab now, 
so recently had to pick instruments myself and would have liked to have had 
these options! From your list I would personally pick the Prisma and Bond Max , 
just on my personal experiences. I have a Leica ST5020 now, and while it is a 
good stainer, I hate the clips with the  older model I have.  
 
Consider if you will use  glass or tape coverslipping, the multi-stainer glass 
coverslipper that goes with it is high maintenance, though it works fine when 
it works. I personally think the  Prisma is great, has super throughput, nice 
staining. But used to only have tape coverslipping, but may have glass 
coverslips availible now-if that is a requirement of your pathologists. So 
check into that.
 
The need for a very open IHC platform ( considering if you do research v. 
clinical, use mostly concentrated v. prediluted antibodies, the training level 
of the staff, and your throughput needs as considerations;  for example) may 
help in your choice. The DAKO is awesome , but check whether it still needs 
more off line pretreatment steps. This adds to the tech time, which might 
matter considering your staffing and volumes. The staining is fantastic if you 
can work with it and have staffing and your volumes are managable. 
The Bond does all steps in automated runs, if you wish; I personally consider 
it middle ground in terms of "open-ness" somewhere between Ventana and Dako 
autostainer of years ago. The Bond is a super instrument in my opinion for the 
right lab situation. I use one now, and it works for me ( I do RTU and a fair 
number of concentrates) and a good number if ISH probes, and do all the tech 
work myself.  I value the fast TAT  with consistent staining-it does the job I 
need it to do.   
Good luck




Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
 
> From: haley.hugg...@dignityhealth.org
> To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:46:00 -0700
> Subject: [Histonet] Equipment selection
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am trying to decide on what equipment to purchase. I have picked the 
> processor, microtomes, embedding centers and a few other pieces, but now I 
> still need to decide on the H&E Stainer and the immunostainer. My options I 
> have in front of me are for the H&E stainer are Sakura Prisma stainer/film 
> coverslipper and the Leica ST5020-CV5030 stainer/glass coverslipper. For the 
> Immunostainer, I am looking at the Dako Autostainer and the Leica Bond Max. 
> Any advice on any of these instruments would be greatly appreciated. I am 
> trying to finalize my decision pretty quickly. Thank you in advance for any 
> input.
> 
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[Histonet] Cytotech Per Diem Position in Rancho Mirage, CA

[Yang, Mari]

I just wanted to share that I have a per diem Cytotech position available. If 
interested, please visit www.emc.org.

Eisenhower Medical Center located in Rancho Mirage, CA is a fantastic place to 
work. The beautiful winters and lush community atmosphere is most desirable. 
The Cytology team is a close-knit team with wonderful peer relations. Most 
important, the non-gyn cases are extremely interesting!

Thank you all for your interest and I hope to receive many applications.

Warm regards,
Mari

Mari Yang, MHA, CT(ASCP)CMHTLCM
Cytology Supervisor
Eisenhower Medical Center
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Re: [Histonet] Help

[Bain,Virginia]

Googling 'unsubscribe histonet' points me to this link:
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If you scroll to the bottom of the page you will find a box where you can
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[Histonet] Help

[nancy mcvay]

Get me off your mailing list.
I  have tried and keep getting these things.
Over and over you repeat the same questions and answers ,   over and over,
over  and over,  over and over,  over and over.

Do  you get the message?"
Do you get the message?
Do you get the message?
Get me off your mailing list
Get me off your mailing list


Today  I received four different email  tirades from you.


Please get me off your mailing list.

I am to the point of reporting it as spam.

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[Histonet] Re: Unregistered HT

[Teri Johnson]

At the risk of dipping my toe in to this pool, I have just a few thoughts on 
the matter. I will not really touch on any prior points as I think they have 
already had enough discussion. My comments are merely things I think about, and 
hopefully it broadens how people look at this issue instead of running in 
circles like we seem to be doing.

1 - I think what will eventually drive the HT classification into a 
professional category is the upcoming shortage of techs in the workforce. 
Either the companies better get really busy and come up with some fantastic 
automation that can replace this aging workforce (of which I am one), or there 
won't be any bodies sitting at the microtomes, cryostats, embedding centers, 
and stainers. There are a bunch of BS-biology degreed people out there looking 
for work and direction. And not all of them can or want to get into Medical 
school. They are smart, very technologically savvy, and will likely completely 
change the landscape of the workforce as we know it.

2 - Any move to becoming degreed or certified professionals should mimic the 
European (and other) model of Laboratory Scientist. I have said before that 
there is such a strong line dividing MT(ASCP) and HT/HTL(ASCP) in the US, maybe 
it would be a step in the right direction for us to think about consolidating 
our science with Medical Technology. We have Chemistry, Hematology, Blood Bank, 
Microbiology, etc as specialties, why not Histotechnology?  Interestingly, most 
Med Techs I know who have done histology really didn't like it much. So I don't 
think we have to worry about losing our place in the lab.  Do I think we will 
go in this direction? Probably not. I think that ship has sailed. But we would 
be remiss not to at least consider it as an option.

3 - "Opportunity looks a lot like hard work." - Ashton Kutcher
*donning my special humpday flame retardant suit*

Teri Johnson
Manager, Histology
Genomics Institute for
Novartis Research
Foundation
San Diego, CA
858-332-4752

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[Histonet] RE:Unregistered HT

[Mayer,Toysha N]

I actually agree with Rene on some points. 
 In the past, and in some current labs, that mentality of just get the work 
done prevails. It happens more in small labs than in larger ones now. However 
the tide is starting to change.  While it may be years before the old regime 
mentality retires out (we all know that pathologists don't really retire they 
hang around forever, no offense Samurai pathologist), management is changing.  
We must demonstrate to ourselves that we matter. Too many places still allow 
the docs to control the lab and it has hindered us.  It has to do with the 
separation of medicine and business. Not all docs think monkeys can do our job, 
I know some that understand our value.

I don't know what category to place myself in, an old timer or a young buck,  I 
have 20 years in and have paid my dues.  I was disrespected, overlooked and 
scraped floors, but I stayed around.  Sometimes I take offense at those who 
discredit the OJT route, I did it.  But I also had a BS degree.  I take offense 
at those who look down on me because I do have a degree, and passed my test.  
Those were my choices, and I wanted to better position myself for promotion.  
Some really good techs have no degree, or certification and I would consult 
with them in a heartbeat.  I care about what I do, it matters, so I take pride 
in my sections and stains.
To get our respect we should support our schools (not just because I teach) 
because they are the ones who can demonstrate the proper skills to students.  
To do this realize that schools need students to stay open, so send some their 
way.  The faculty cannot teach without them.  Be willing to serve as a clinical 
site to teach what you know, especially if you think they are doing it wrong.  
Remember that the faculty are under pressure to graduate students so make sure 
that you support them, don't get mad when they take in more students.  We all 
want to eat. 
Suggest to your HT's that they go back to get a BS to move up.  Facilities are 
beginning to require supervisors and managers to have that 4yr degree.  
Everyone should mentor others to keep things going.
Lastly,  as techs we need to get out of the 'I am not going to train someone to 
push me out' mentality.  We can all learn from each other.  That is why so many 
new techs can only operate an instrument and not understand the theory.  It 
makes the whole field look bad.  
Unregistered HT's were  provided the opportunity to take the test.  Some could 
not afford it, others did not see the need.  Now some are locked into a job and 
cannot leave because of it.  Hospitals are requiring certification for 
employment that is good.  It is a step towards improving the field.  
I will never say that registered techs are better than unregistered ones, but I 
will say that those letters behind your name can get you a little further ahead 
nowadays.  My mama taught me that.


Sincerely,

Toysha N. Mayer, MBA, HT(ASCP)
tnma...@mdanderson.org
Instructor/Education Coordinator
Program in Histotechnology
School of Health Professions
MD Anderson Cancer Center
713-563.3481





This very long thread deals with a very complicated and ages long issue so I 
would like to add my opinion.
The fundamental issue is that the pathologists do not respect the histotechs 
because for them the only thing that matters is that the sections are good, 
well stained and finished on time. That is all!
If they can get some well trained chimpanzees doing these tasks they would be 
OK with that and they do not give a dam about how much we make or what we know 
as long as the sections are goo, well stained and on time. Sometimes they 
decide to "do something" is a histotech completely sick and tired of being 
disrespected threatens to leave to other lab.
The other factor against the histotechs are the managers that prefer to pay the 
least amount possible and see a histotech with higher education as a potential 
"money pit" for their budget because they will have to pay them more.
Additionally some histotech with higher education are not the best from the 
quality results point of view and perhaps those with more experience and 
quality of work are those old histotechs with 20 or more years of experience 
that usually have been grandfathered and some not even graduated from high 
school.
When I started in this trade (1952) I remember that I was in pre-medical year 
and learning how to do the basics (embed, section, stain) with the hope of 
being contracted at the "wonderful" salary of $30/month but that was not to be 
because the professor head of the department gave the position to a cousin of 
him and I was supposed to train her, something that did not occur because I 
left and he had to start all over again.
Hiring a janitor or a?cleaning lady to do histology work was not an infrequent 
occurrence in the mid 1950's and even 30 years later.
Why? Again because what the pathologists wanted out of the histotech i.e. good 
sections the cheapest t

[Histonet] Equipment selection

[Huggins, Haley - MRMC]

Hi all,

I am trying to decide on what equipment to purchase. I have picked the 
processor, microtomes, embedding centers and a few other pieces, but now I 
still need to decide on the H&E Stainer and the immunostainer. My options I 
have in front of me are for the H&E stainer are Sakura Prisma stainer/film 
coverslipper and the Leica ST5020-CV5030 stainer/glass coverslipper. For the 
Immunostainer, I am looking at the Dako Autostainer and the Leica Bond Max. Any 
advice on any of these instruments would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to 
finalize my decision pretty quickly. Thank you in advance for any input.



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RE: [Histonet] Oil red O

[P.E. Visser]

Dear Rene, Jennifer and others 

my question is as Jennifer MacDonald suggested

I may agree that the question is irrelevant but the question was rased and I
have no clue.

Regards Piet visser

 

 

Van: Rene J Buesa [mailto:rjbu...@yahoo.com] 
Verzonden: maandag 9 september 2013 21:59
Aan: Jennifer MacDonald
CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu;
histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; P.E. Visser
Onderwerp: Re: [Histonet] Oil red O

 

It is for Sudan Red 5B. All these "apothecary" names are essentially
meaningless

René J.

 

From: Jennifer MacDonald < 
jmacdon...@mtsac.edu>
To: 
Cc: " 
histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu" <

histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu>;

histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; P.E. Visser <
 p...@xs4all.nl> 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 3:53 PM
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I believe the question is what is the "O" signify.
as in OG6 the O is for orange.



From:  Rene J Buesa 
To:"P.E. Visser" , "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu" 

Date:  09/09/2013 12:46 PM
Subject:Re: [Histonet] Oil red O
Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu



Do you mean that you were asked to do Oil Red O (ORO) stain?
It is described in any technology book.
I piece of advise: stain the nuclei with hametoxyline first and after that 
stain with ORO
René J.



From: P.E. Visser 
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 3:40 PM
Subject: [Histonet] Oil red O


Hi all

I was requested where the O stands for. who has any suggestion.



Regards Piet Visser 

Histotech Bronovo The Netherlands





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RE: [Histonet] Validation Sign off

[tapiarita]

“Based on FDA’s ruling on class reagents in IHC, the legal responsibility for 
validation and knowing the relevant parameters is put squarely on the shoulders 
of the lab director.” True, the legal responsibility rests with the lab 
director..


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S®4

 Original message 
From: Laurie Colbert  
Date: 09/11/2013  10:45 AM  (GMT-07:00) 
To: "Histonet Post (histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu)" 
 
Subject: [Histonet] Validation Sign off 
 
When validating IHC antibodies and detection kits (either initially or with new 
lots), does a pathologist have to sign off on the validation , or can it be 
his/her designee (such as a PhD) that signs off?  The pathologist will be 
signing the IHC procedures.

Laurie Colbert, HT (ASCP)

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[Histonet] Validation Sign off

[Laurie Colbert]

When validating IHC antibodies and detection kits (either initially or with new 
lots), does a pathologist have to sign off on the validation , or can it be 
his/her designee (such as a PhD) that signs off?  The pathologist will be 
signing the IHC procedures.

Laurie Colbert, HT (ASCP)

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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[O'Donnell, Bill]

Sarah & Emily, It's been one of those Wednesdays for the record books, I may 
not make it all the way home before I have a drink. (Just kidding - I live 8 
blocks from work - I can make it home first but only if I want too)  Ya'll 
have a great day - - Bill

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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Emily Sours
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:24 PM
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Seriously, I can go home?!
I'm going to tell my boss that Sarah Dysart said I could go home.  When she 
asks who that is, I'll just look at her and repeat your name.  Slowly.
And walk away.

Emily

"By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their 
own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for 
their lives. Move forward."

-Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Sarah Dysart  wrote:

>
> I hope everyone has a great rest of your day, and some people I think 
> need to go home and have a drink =)
>
> Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP), QIHC (ASCP) Histotechnologist Mirna 
> Therapeutics
> 2150 Woodward Street
> Suite 100
> Austin, Texas  78744
> (512)901-0900 ext. 6912
>
>
>
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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Marcum, Pamela A]

Sorry Sarah some of us old timers do have BS and even MS degrees and still have 
to fight for every dime.  The whole field needs to be improved without any 
thought of how long someone has been in Histology.  We have the issue of people 
who have HTs being called HTLs due to the way the two registries were created.  

In the early 1980s the only thing you could get was the HT registry no matter 
how much education you had worked to get.  Then we got the HTL for management 
skills as it was stated and for several years HTs could grandfather in with no 
additional education above HS.  Then in about 1984 the HTL started to require 
the education level of BS.  Unfortunately, since the two registries were to 
some extend mixed by the overlap of needing or not needing a degree the whole 
field is confused about who is what.  I have been called a histologist before I 
took my HT (with a BS) and HTL although I did not bother to grandfather in.   
Yet I am called both and really don't care which I am called as long as I am 
respected.   An MS made no difference either way.

The real issue is most administration people and HR Departments don't know the 
difference between an HT and HTL and have no idea what to do.  I have seen HTs 
with a HS call themselves HTLs and no one knew the difference at the 
administration/HR levels.  (Some of those older people who started and may not 
even have a HS degree yet; are among the best histologist I have seen in 50 
years.  Some with BS and/or MS degrees were terrible.  Some MTs came over with 
CP pay and could be great or awful.)  Education is not answer.  The issue is 
straightening out who we are and what we do as either registry area. 

Here we had a salary survey and found most of the employers just paid the same 
for everything to avoid the issue or due to total misunderstanding of their 
even being a difference.  Now everyone is the same.  No one knew how to solve 
it to everyone's satisfaction and the histologist were not asked.  If you can 
say you have a BS you may get paid a little higher and only have an HT and be 
called an HTL.  

Pam Marcum

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sarah Dysart
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:30 PM
To: Blazek, Linda; Rene J Buesa; Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

I don't think that histotechs are disrespected at all.  There is always going 
to be that one person in any job that thinks they are better than you because 
of whatever reason.  HTs are not the highest paid people in the lab (or the 
lowest for that matter), and I think a lot of times people in management, PhD, 
or MD positions see us in a light that mirrors our salaries.  The fact of the 
matter is these days you have to basically have a college degree to become a 
HT, and hopefully as the "old-timers" who didn't have to have a degree retire 
out of the field we will be paid more according to the education that a lot of 
us paid so much money to obtain.

I still hold firm to the belief that you get what you give.  If you act like 
someone who should be disrespected you will be.  If you suggest new ideas for 
improvement, go over and beyond your "pay grade", then eventually you will be 
paid for that financially and with respect. 

If I couldn't live like that I think that would be a very difficult and 
frustrating way to live every day.  Therefore, I choose to have a good attitude 
about being away from my family everyday (because I have to have a job), and do 
the best I can to make others have a reason to respect me.

Just my two cents...I will step down from my soapbox now =)

Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP), QIHC (ASCP) Histotechnologist Mirna 
Therapeutics
2150 Woodward Street
Suite 100
Austin, Texas  78744
(512)901-0900 ext. 6912


-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Blazek, Linda
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:15 PM
To: Rene J Buesa; Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Wow René, I didn't realize you had such a demeaning and disrespected career.  I 
have been in this profession for almost 40 years.  I have worked for some of 
the greatest pathologists you could ask for.  They have respected me, asked my 
opinions and shared a great deal of time at the microscope with me.  Maybe it 
has to do with attitude..

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:30 PM
To: Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

The issue remains the WE cannot impose on others how we are viewed. No matter 
how many 

RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Blazek, Linda]

Wow René, I didn't realize you had such a demeaning and disrespected career.  I 
have been in this profession for almost 40 years.  I have worked for some of 
the greatest pathologists you could ask for.  They have respected me, asked my 
opinions and shared a great deal of time at the microscope with me.  Maybe it 
has to do with attitude..

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:30 PM
To: Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

The issue remains the WE cannot impose on others how we are viewed. No matter 
how many brain storming meetings there are about "demanding" respect the issue 
remains that those who have to respect us have to do so.
Short of a national strike (absolutely impossible to achieve) or a national 
union (that will be fought to the death) the only thing we can do is to stand 
for our rights of being treated as professionals every time somebody, either 
pathologist or administrator, disrespects us. And who, may I ask, will be able 
to do that in an economic situation as the present one? Who is going to risk 
his or her job just "to demand respect"?
That is an illusion. Unfortunately the economic situation impedes any action 
and those who can will keep disrespecting us as long as they can get away with 
it.
Having a good "position statement" about "what does it mean to be a 
professional" is an exercise in futility that probably for those who wrote it 
may have meant being able to have 1 or 2 days paid without actual work to do.
René J.



From: Clare Thornton 
To: Clare Thornton ; 'Emily Sours' 
 
Cc: "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT


My apologies, the editorial was in the September 2011 issue of Journal of 
Histotechnology.  I have a pdf of it, will be happy to email.


Clare J. Thornton, HTL(ASCP)QIHC 
Assistant Histology Supervisor
Dahl-Chase Diagnostic Services
417 State Street, Suite 540
Bangor, ME 04401
cthorn...@dahlchase.com





-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Clare Thornton
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Emily Sours'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Look for a position paper presented by members of the NSH BOD in the Journal of 
Histotechnology after the national convention in Vancouver last year.  I'm not 
sure of the exact issue (thought I still had it on my desk).  This will explain 
what being a laboratory professional is and why it is so important that as 
histotechnologists we are viewed as such.


Clare J. Thornton, HTL(ASCP)QIHC 
Assistant Histology Supervisor
Dahl-Chase Diagnostic Services
417 State Street, Suite 540
Bangor, ME 04401
cthorn...@dahlchase.com




-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Emily Sours
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:58 AM
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Do you get paid more with that title? Just curious, I'm not sure what 
"laboratory professional" means, as I'm not in that kind of lab.
Or is it a respect thing?

Emily

"By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their 
own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for 
their lives. Move forward."

-Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Jennifer MacDonald wrote:

> As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium 
> education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.
>
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[Histonet] RE: Validation Sign off

[Morken, Timothy]

Laurie, it can be a designee, but that should be detailed in your validation 
procedure so it is clear the designee is acting for the Technical Director.


Tim Morken
Department of Pathology
UC San Francisco Medical Center



-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Laurie Colbert
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:46 AM
To: Histonet Post (histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu)
Subject: [Histonet] Validation Sign off

When validating IHC antibodies and detection kits (either initially or with new 
lots), does a pathologist have to sign off on the validation , or can it be 
his/her designee (such as a PhD) that signs off?  The pathologist will be 
signing the IHC procedures.

Laurie Colbert, HT (ASCP)

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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Sarah Dysart]

So as not to have my inbox completely filled with emails...
None of the below statements was meant in any way as disrespectful to ANYONE!
1. "Old timers".  Just a term I have heard used by people who have been in the 
field for a long time.  I've been doing histology since 1999...I do not 
consider myself one of these yet.  
2. A degree.  I am not saying that all "old timers" are without a degree or any 
post HS education.  Correct, many non-degreed workers are better than a degreed 
one.  I just think someone with a college degree should be paid accordingly.  
If they are horrible at their job...they will probably be fired.  If you didn't 
finish your degree and still want to...go do it.
3. Chill out people...it's Wednesday...sheesh...  Some of the emails I have got 
offline completely demonstrate my point...give respect and you will be 
respected.  If you send me a tacky email...I'm probably going to be tacky right 
back to you...
4. These were all just my opinions...take it or leave it.

I hope everyone has a great rest of your day, and some people I think need to 
go home and have a drink =)

Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP), QIHC (ASCP)
Histotechnologist
Mirna Therapeutics
2150 Woodward Street
Suite 100
Austin, Texas  78744
(512)901-0900 ext. 6912


-Original Message-
From: Marcum, Pamela A [mailto:pamar...@uams.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:57 PM
To: Sarah Dysart; Blazek, Linda; Rene J Buesa; Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Sorry Sarah some of us old timers do have BS and even MS degrees and still have 
to fight for every dime.  The whole field needs to be improved without any 
thought of how long someone has been in Histology.  We have the issue of people 
who have HTs being called HTLs due to the way the two registries were created.  

In the early 1980s the only thing you could get was the HT registry no matter 
how much education you had worked to get.  Then we got the HTL for management 
skills as it was stated and for several years HTs could grandfather in with no 
additional education above HS.  Then in about 1984 the HTL started to require 
the education level of BS.  Unfortunately, since the two registries were to 
some extend mixed by the overlap of needing or not needing a degree the whole 
field is confused about who is what.  I have been called a histologist before I 
took my HT (with a BS) and HTL although I did not bother to grandfather in.   
Yet I am called both and really don't care which I am called as long as I am 
respected.   An MS made no difference either way.

The real issue is most administration people and HR Departments don't know the 
difference between an HT and HTL and have no idea what to do.  I have seen HTs 
with a HS call themselves HTLs and no one knew the difference at the 
administration/HR levels.  (Some of those older people who started and may not 
even have a HS degree yet; are among the best histologist I have seen in 50 
years.  Some with BS and/or MS degrees were terrible.  Some MTs came over with 
CP pay and could be great or awful.)  Education is not answer.  The issue is 
straightening out who we are and what we do as either registry area. 

Here we had a salary survey and found most of the employers just paid the same 
for everything to avoid the issue or due to total misunderstanding of their 
even being a difference.  Now everyone is the same.  No one knew how to solve 
it to everyone's satisfaction and the histologist were not asked.  If you can 
say you have a BS you may get paid a little higher and only have an HT and be 
called an HTL.  

Pam Marcum

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sarah Dysart
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:30 PM
To: Blazek, Linda; Rene J Buesa; Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

I don't think that histotechs are disrespected at all.  There is always going 
to be that one person in any job that thinks they are better than you because 
of whatever reason.  HTs are not the highest paid people in the lab (or the 
lowest for that matter), and I think a lot of times people in management, PhD, 
or MD positions see us in a light that mirrors our salaries.  The fact of the 
matter is these days you have to basically have a college degree to become a 
HT, and hopefully as the "old-timers" who didn't have to have a degree retire 
out of the field we will be paid more according to the education that a lot of 
us paid so much money to obtain.

I still hold firm to the belief that you get what you give.  If you act like 
someone who should be disrespected you will be.  If you suggest new ideas for 
improvement, go over and beyond your "pay grade", then eventually you will be 
paid for that financially and with respect. 

If I couldn't live like that I think 

AW: [Histonet] Re: edge effect IHC

[Gudrun Lang]

Thank you for your kind responses.
Are there any circumstances when an edge-effect could be misinterpreted as a
specific nuclear staining like ER-IHC?  =false positive staining

Gudrun

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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] Im Auftrag von Mehmet
Fatih BOZKURT
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. September 2013 19:05
An: Teri Johnson; Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Betreff: Re: [Histonet] Re: edge effect IHC

Sometimes edges of tissues can get more stain due to disruption of edge's
cells more than center during the antigen retrieval. But this is not  false
positivity. It must pay attention to this situation


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Teri Johnson  wrote:

> Ditto to what Tim said (as usual!) What is often referred to as "edge 
> artifact" is sometimes excellent staining due to the edges fixed early 
> and well, and the interior of the tissue poorly penetrated and not as 
> well fixed. You can usually tell because the staining pattern is 
> correct and well demarcated, and easily distinguishable from the type 
> seen in drying artifact.
>
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Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Emily Sours]

Seriously, I can go home?!
I'm going to tell my boss that Sarah Dysart said I could go home.  When she
asks who that is, I'll just look at her and repeat your name.  Slowly.
And walk away.

Emily

"By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of
their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new
story for their lives. Move forward."

-Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Sarah Dysart  wrote:

>
> I hope everyone has a great rest of your day, and some people I think need
> to go home and have a drink =)
>
> Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP), QIHC (ASCP)
> Histotechnologist
> Mirna Therapeutics
> 2150 Woodward Street
> Suite 100
> Austin, Texas  78744
> (512)901-0900 ext. 6912
>
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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Sarah Dysart]

I don't think that histotechs are disrespected at all.  There is always going 
to be that one person in any job that thinks they are better than you because 
of whatever reason.  HTs are not the highest paid people in the lab (or the 
lowest for that matter), and I think a lot of times people in management, PhD, 
or MD positions see us in a light that mirrors our salaries.  The fact of the 
matter is these days you have to basically have a college degree to become a 
HT, and hopefully as the "old-timers" who didn't have to have a degree retire 
out of the field we will be paid more according to the education that a lot of 
us paid so much money to obtain.

I still hold firm to the belief that you get what you give.  If you act like 
someone who should be disrespected you will be.  If you suggest new ideas for 
improvement, go over and beyond your "pay grade", then eventually you will be 
paid for that financially and with respect. 

If I couldn't live like that I think that would be a very difficult and 
frustrating way to live every day.  Therefore, I choose to have a good attitude 
about being away from my family everyday (because I have to have a job), and do 
the best I can to make others have a reason to respect me.

Just my two cents...I will step down from my soapbox now =)

Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP), QIHC (ASCP)
Histotechnologist
Mirna Therapeutics
2150 Woodward Street
Suite 100
Austin, Texas  78744
(512)901-0900 ext. 6912


-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Blazek, Linda
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:15 PM
To: Rene J Buesa; Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Wow René, I didn't realize you had such a demeaning and disrespected career.  I 
have been in this profession for almost 40 years.  I have worked for some of 
the greatest pathologists you could ask for.  They have respected me, asked my 
opinions and shared a great deal of time at the microscope with me.  Maybe it 
has to do with attitude..

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rene J Buesa
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:30 PM
To: Clare Thornton; 'Emily Sours'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

The issue remains the WE cannot impose on others how we are viewed. No matter 
how many brain storming meetings there are about "demanding" respect the issue 
remains that those who have to respect us have to do so.
Short of a national strike (absolutely impossible to achieve) or a national 
union (that will be fought to the death) the only thing we can do is to stand 
for our rights of being treated as professionals every time somebody, either 
pathologist or administrator, disrespects us. And who, may I ask, will be able 
to do that in an economic situation as the present one? Who is going to risk 
his or her job just "to demand respect"?
That is an illusion. Unfortunately the economic situation impedes any action 
and those who can will keep disrespecting us as long as they can get away with 
it.
Having a good "position statement" about "what does it mean to be a 
professional" is an exercise in futility that probably for those who wrote it 
may have meant being able to have 1 or 2 days paid without actual work to do.
René J.



From: Clare Thornton 
To: Clare Thornton ; 'Emily Sours' 
 
Cc: "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT


My apologies, the editorial was in the September 2011 issue of Journal of 
Histotechnology.  I have a pdf of it, will be happy to email.


Clare J. Thornton, HTL(ASCP)QIHC 
Assistant Histology Supervisor
Dahl-Chase Diagnostic Services
417 State Street, Suite 540
Bangor, ME 04401
cthorn...@dahlchase.com





-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Clare Thornton
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Emily Sours'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Look for a position paper presented by members of the NSH BOD in the Journal of 
Histotechnology after the national convention in Vancouver last year.  I'm not 
sure of the exact issue (thought I still had it on my desk).  This will explain 
what being a laboratory professional is and why it is so important that as 
histotechnologists we are viewed as such.


Clare J. Thornton, HTL(ASCP)QIHC 
Assistant Histology Supervisor
Dahl-Chase Diagnostic Services
417 State Street, Suite 540
Bangor, ME 04401
cthorn...@dahlchase.com




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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Emily

[Histonet] RE: Validation Sign off

[Willis, Donna G.]

Laure,
You also need to have a policy that states what areas the CLIA Director is 
allowing a designee to represent. 

Donna Willis, HT/HTL (ASCP)
Anatomic Pathology Manager
Baylor University Medical Center-Dallas
ph. 214-820-2465 office
ph. 214-725-6184 mobile
donna.wil...@baylorhealth.edu


-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:09 PM
To: Laurie Colbert; Histonet Post (histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu)
Subject: [Histonet] RE: Validation Sign off

Laurie, it can be a designee, but that should be detailed in your validation 
procedure so it is clear the designee is acting for the Technical Director.


Tim Morken
Department of Pathology
UC San Francisco Medical Center



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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Laurie Colbert
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:46 AM
To: Histonet Post (histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu)
Subject: [Histonet] Validation Sign off

When validating IHC antibodies and detection kits (either initially or with new 
lots), does a pathologist have to sign off on the validation , or can it be 
his/her designee (such as a PhD) that signs off?  The pathologist will be 
signing the IHC procedures.

Laurie Colbert, HT (ASCP)

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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Jesus Ellin]

Tim Well said

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This discussion comes up every year and, of course is never resolved to our 
satisfaction because histotechs  really have only a little say in it. 

Personally I think labs are better off with certified techs. Uncertified techs 
should start as lab assistants and earn their certification before getting a 
histotech title.  The histotech title should be for someone who at least starts 
as a general histotech who can do the gamut of histology work - embedding, 
cutting, H&E, specials and IHC/ISH. From that base they can branch out or 
specialize. It would be a dream to require formal schooling, as with med techs, 
but there are so few schools that it is just impractical. A certification is a 
baseline that shows a person who is OJT has learned the minimum required to 
understand histotechnology.

However, because we don't report out any results on our own authority there is 
no impetus for a pathologist or institution to make the position more than it 
is: a technical position that does do require fancy work, but in the end "only" 
provides the materials for someone else to use for interpretation, decisions 
and reporting. We don't even pick the sample, the test or even determine how to 
do the test - that is all determined by the Technical Director of the lab, 
usually a board certified pathologist. Our primary job is to provide good 
quality materials so they can do their job well. That does involved a lot of 
knowledge, organization and skill, but it is not at the level of making actual 
patient care decisions. 

Pathologists Assistants get a  bit more "respect" because they are required to 
make judgment decisions on how to sample a particular case. Even then, that 
sampling is strictly detailed in procedures developed by pathologists. 

The most we could ask for is licensing that requires certain qualifications to 
be a histotech. However, that has some drawbacks as well, namely the 
restriction of the profession to licensed people, and so is a barrier to entry. 
Would it lead to pay raises? Does anyone have studies showing pay before and 
after licesure requirements?  It is questionable whether it enhances the 
quality of the lab since most histotechs are OJT anyway, and simple licensure 
may not increase actual quality of work by an individual. (does anyone know of 
any studies that look at quality in states with and without licensing?).

The CLIA requirements at least set a baseline for education, if not actual 
certification. Asking pathologists to support universal certification and/or 
licensure is problematic - many independent labs won't support that because, as 
in licensure, it decreases the pool and increases costs (ie, pay). Since the 
pathologist is the person deemed responsible for quality and lab results, 
setting the bar higher is only in the interests of the technologists, not the 
pathologist. Now, some enlightened pathologists understand that better-educated 
and better-trained techs are good for the overall.

So in the end the histotech community, along with a few enlightened 
pathologists have to lobby for anything they want. But what is that? Increased 
pay? More say in lab operations?

My experience is that you can rise as high as you want if you take 
opportunities that come up. But that may mean either spending many years in one 
place slowly moving up, or moving around to take other opportunities. It will 
depend on the individual. In either case using your time in the lab to learn 
whatever there is to learn, even in other departments, or on various 
committees, pays off in the long run. And that includes management. The last 
thing you should do is limit yourself to a job description someone gives you. 
Take that as the base line, not the limit.  


Tim Morken
Supervisor, Electron Microscopy/Neuromuscular Special Studies Department of 
Pathology UC San Francisco Medical Center




-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Horn, Hazel V
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:30 AM
To: 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do 
not report results.  All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the 
pathologists report the results.   CLIA standards are based on result 
reporting.   The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists 
would hire unregistered techs.  If pathologists would demand only registered 
techs half our battle would be won. 

Hazel Horn
Supervisor of Histolo

[Histonet] Re: edge effect IHC

[Teri Johnson]

Ditto to what Tim said (as usual!) What is often referred to as "edge artifact" 
is sometimes excellent staining due to the edges fixed early and well, and the 
interior of the tissue poorly penetrated and not as well fixed. You can usually 
tell because the staining pattern is correct and well demarcated, and easily 
distinguishable from the type seen in drying artifact.

Teri Johnson
Manager, Histology
Genomics Institute for
Novartis Research
Foundation
San Diego, CA
858-332-4752

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Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Rene J Buesa]

The issue remains the WE cannot impose on others how we are viewed. No matter 
how many brain storming meetings there are about "demanding" respect the issue 
remains that those who have to respect us have to do so.
Short of a national strike (absolutely impossible to achieve) or a national 
union (that will be fought to the death) the only thing we can do is to stand 
for our rights of being treated as professionals every time somebody, either 
pathologist or administrator, disrespects us. And who, may I ask, will be able 
to do that in an economic situation as the present one? Who is going to risk 
his or her job just "to demand respect"?
That is an illusion. Unfortunately the economic situation impedes any action 
and those who can will keep disrespecting us as long as they can get away with 
it.
Having a good "position statement" about "what does it mean to be a 
professional" is an exercise in futility that probably for those who wrote it 
may have meant being able to have 1 or 2 days paid without actual work to do.
René J.



From: Clare Thornton 
To: Clare Thornton ; 'Emily Sours' 
 
Cc: "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT


My apologies, the editorial was in the September 2011 issue of Journal of 
Histotechnology.  I have a pdf of it, will be happy to email.


Clare J. Thornton, HTL(ASCP)QIHC 
Assistant Histology Supervisor
Dahl-Chase Diagnostic Services
417 State Street, Suite 540
Bangor, ME 04401
cthorn...@dahlchase.com





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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Clare Thornton
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Emily Sours'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Look for a position paper presented by members of the NSH BOD in the Journal of 
Histotechnology after the national convention in Vancouver last year.  I'm not 
sure of the exact issue (thought I still had it on my desk).  This will explain 
what being a laboratory professional is and why it is so important that as 
histotechnologists we are viewed as such.


Clare J. Thornton, HTL(ASCP)QIHC 
Assistant Histology Supervisor
Dahl-Chase Diagnostic Services
417 State Street, Suite 540
Bangor, ME 04401
cthorn...@dahlchase.com




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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Emily Sours
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:58 AM
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Do you get paid more with that title? Just curious, I'm not sure what 
"laboratory professional" means, as I'm not in that kind of lab.
Or is it a respect thing?

Emily

"By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their 
own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for 
their lives. Move forward."

-Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Jennifer MacDonald wrote:

> As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium 
> education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.
>
>
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Re: [Histonet] Re: edge effect IHC

[Mehmet Fatih BOZKURT]

Sometimes edges of tissues can get more stain due to disruption of edge's
cells more than center during the antigen retrieval. But this is not  false
positivity. It must pay attention to this situation


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Teri Johnson  wrote:

> Ditto to what Tim said (as usual!) What is often referred to as "edge
> artifact" is sometimes excellent staining due to the edges fixed early and
> well, and the interior of the tissue poorly penetrated and not as well
> fixed. You can usually tell because the staining pattern is correct and
> well demarcated, and easily distinguishable from the type seen in drying
> artifact.
>
> Teri Johnson
> Manager, Histology
> Genomics Institute for
> Novartis Research
> Foundation
> San Diego, CA
> 858-332-4752
>
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RE: [Histonet] (no subject)

[Jessica.Vacca]

Ask for a recut of slides unstained to be sent for 2nd opinion to your lab or 
as a patient request unstained slides. I think the billing is the ultimate 
issue as well a chain of custody for specimens removed-When working at a 
hospital level the hospital labs have contracted and listed prices for certain 
reference labs. Usually the reference lab ends up billing the hospital for 
something that was not submitted from them and there is where the problem lies. 
 You can have the slides sent by you with a method of payment submitted for the 
consult fee or additional tests. Also the pathologist may have a contract that 
says specimen collected at the hospital is there's to read and at the time of 
surgery your dad may have signed something in regards to okaying that a 
separate bill from the pathology department may be expected should the 
insurance not cover it. Just a couple of thoughts


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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Cartun, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:14 AM
To: clay milks; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] (no subject)

Hospital "By-Laws" established by the Medical Staff and Administration may 
prevent tissue obtained within the hospital from going outside to another 
laboratory.

Richard

Richard W. Cartun, MS, PhD
Director, Histology & Immunopathology
Director, Biospecimen Collection Programs Assistant Director, Anatomic 
Pathology Hartford Hospital
80 Seymour Street
Hartford, CT  06102
(860) 545-1596 Office
(860) 545-2204 Fax
richard.car...@hhchealth.org


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[histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] on behalf of clay milks 
[claymi...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:38 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] (no subject)

I need a little help on a Patient's rights question.


It is my understanding that when a patient has a procedure, the patient has the 
right to request that those specimens be examined by a laboratory of their 
choosing.  i.e. EGD, colonoscopy, etc


I am in Arkansas.


My father had a procedure yesterday at a local hospital.  I manage a pathology 
laboratory that specializes in the type of tissue that the procedure procured.  
When it was requested that the tissue be sent to my laboratory, the hospital 
staff refused to fulfill the request.  We asked multiple times for a release 
form so my father could take his tissue with him.  The administration employee 
we spoke to said there was no such thing and that patients were not allowed to 
take their specimens. One employee going so far as stating that if we wanted 
the tissue sent somewhere aside from their contracted laboratory, that the 
procedure would be canceled and my father would have to go somewhere else.   My 
father, not wanting to cause a fuss, let the issue go.


Questions:

Is it legal for a hospital to require that tissue specimens be sent to a lab 
they are contracted with?


Are there any other actions we could have taken to make our requests be honored?



This is not meant to insult the hospital, but to give an explanation of the 
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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Clare Thornton]

My apologies, the editorial was in the September 2011 issue of Journal of 
Histotechnology.  I have a pdf of it, will be happy to email.


Clare J. Thornton, HTL(ASCP)QIHC 
Assistant Histology Supervisor
Dahl-Chase Diagnostic Services
417 State Street, Suite 540
Bangor, ME 04401
cthorn...@dahlchase.com





-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Clare Thornton
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:20 AM
To: 'Emily Sours'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Look for a position paper presented by members of the NSH BOD in the Journal of 
Histotechnology after the national convention in Vancouver last year.  I'm not 
sure of the exact issue (thought I still had it on my desk).  This will explain 
what being a laboratory professional is and why it is so important that as 
histotechnologists we are viewed as such.


Clare J. Thornton, HTL(ASCP)QIHC 
Assistant Histology Supervisor
Dahl-Chase Diagnostic Services
417 State Street, Suite 540
Bangor, ME 04401
cthorn...@dahlchase.com




-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Emily Sours
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:58 AM
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Do you get paid more with that title? Just curious, I'm not sure what 
"laboratory professional" means, as I'm not in that kind of lab.
Or is it a respect thing?

Emily

"By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their 
own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for 
their lives. Move forward."

-Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Jennifer MacDonald wrote:

> As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium 
> education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.
>
>
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Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Rene J Buesa]

This very long thread deals with a very complicated and ages long issue so I 
would like to add my opinion.
The fundamental issue is that the pathologists do not respect the histotechs 
because for them the only thing that matters is that the sections are good, 
well stained and finished on time. That is all!
If they can get some well trained chimpanzees doing these tasks they would be 
OK with that and they do not give a dam about how much we make or what we know 
as long as the sections are goo, well stained and on time. Sometimes they 
decide to "do something" is a histotech completely sick and tired of being 
disrespected threatens to leave to other lab.
The other factor against the histotechs are the managers that prefer to pay the 
least amount possible and see a histotech with higher education as a potential 
"money pit" for their budget because they will have to pay them more.
Additionally some histotech with higher education are not the best from the 
quality results point of view and perhaps those with more experience and 
quality of work are those old histotechs with 20 or more years of experience 
that usually have been grandfathered and some not even graduated from high 
school.
When I started in this trade (1952) I remember that I was in pre-medical year 
and learning how to do the basics (embed, section, stain) with the hope of 
being contracted at the "wonderful" salary of $30/month but that was not to be 
because the professor head of the department gave the position to a cousin of 
him and I was supposed to train her, something that did not occur because I 
left and he had to start all over again.
Hiring a janitor or a cleaning lady to do histology work was not an infrequent 
occurrence in the mid 1950's and even 30 years later.
Why? Again because what the pathologists wanted out of the histotech i.e. good 
sections the cheapest the better.
How this can be solved? It has to start with the pathologists and the 
administrators, and also with the histotech. We need to demand respect and I 
coincide that the NSH has done little in that respect.
The issue is not only to study and become more knowledgeable in our trade, that 
is of paramount importance to do a better job, to be able to understand the 
procedures and be able to trouble shoot but unfortunately many histotechs see 
this trade as "a decent way or earning a salary" and that is all.
Two final caveats: not all pathologists are born equal, neither all 
administrators.
René J. 




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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Morken, Timothy]

This discussion comes up every year and, of course is never resolved to our 
satisfaction because histotechs  really have only a little say in it. 

Personally I think labs are better off with certified techs. Uncertified techs 
should start as lab assistants and earn their certification before getting a 
histotech title.  The histotech title should be for someone who at least starts 
as a general histotech who can do the gamut of histology work - embedding, 
cutting, H&E, specials and IHC/ISH. From that base they can branch out or 
specialize. It would be a dream to require formal schooling, as with med techs, 
but there are so few schools that it is just impractical. A certification is a 
baseline that shows a person who is OJT has learned the minimum required to 
understand histotechnology.

However, because we don't report out any results on our own authority there is 
no impetus for a pathologist or institution to make the position more than it 
is: a technical position that does do require fancy work, but in the end "only" 
provides the materials for someone else to use for interpretation, decisions 
and reporting. We don't even pick the sample, the test or even determine how to 
do the test - that is all determined by the Technical Director of the lab, 
usually a board certified pathologist. Our primary job is to provide good 
quality materials so they can do their job well. That does involved a lot of 
knowledge, organization and skill, but it is not at the level of making actual 
patient care decisions. 

Pathologists Assistants get a  bit more "respect" because they are required to 
make judgment decisions on how to sample a particular case. Even then, that 
sampling is strictly detailed in procedures developed by pathologists. 

The most we could ask for is licensing that requires certain qualifications to 
be a histotech. However, that has some drawbacks as well, namely the 
restriction of the profession to licensed people, and so is a barrier to entry. 
Would it lead to pay raises? Does anyone have studies showing pay before and 
after licesure requirements?  It is questionable whether it enhances the 
quality of the lab since most histotechs are OJT anyway, and simple licensure 
may not increase actual quality of work by an individual. (does anyone know of 
any studies that look at quality in states with and without licensing?).

The CLIA requirements at least set a baseline for education, if not actual 
certification. Asking pathologists to support universal certification and/or 
licensure is problematic - many independent labs won't support that because, as 
in licensure, it decreases the pool and increases costs (ie, pay). Since the 
pathologist is the person deemed responsible for quality and lab results, 
setting the bar higher is only in the interests of the technologists, not the 
pathologist. Now, some enlightened pathologists understand that better-educated 
and better-trained techs are good for the overall.

So in the end the histotech community, along with a few enlightened 
pathologists have to lobby for anything they want. But what is that? Increased 
pay? More say in lab operations?

My experience is that you can rise as high as you want if you take 
opportunities that come up. But that may mean either spending many years in one 
place slowly moving up, or moving around to take other opportunities. It will 
depend on the individual. In either case using your time in the lab to learn 
whatever there is to learn, even in other departments, or on various 
committees, pays off in the long run. And that includes management. The last 
thing you should do is limit yourself to a job description someone gives you. 
Take that as the base line, not the limit.  


Tim Morken
Supervisor, Electron Microscopy/Neuromuscular Special Studies
Department of Pathology
UC San Francisco Medical Center




-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Horn, Hazel V
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:30 AM
To: 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do 
not report results.  All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the 
pathologists report the results.   CLIA standards are based on result 
reporting.   The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists 
would hire unregistered techs.  If pathologists would demand only registered 
techs half our battle would be won. 

Hazel Horn
Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas 
Children's Hospital
1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202
501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax
hor...@archildrens.org
archildrens.org






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RE: [Histonet] edge effect IHC

[Morken, Timothy]

I've seen edge effect in two instances: 

1) Fixation artifact: the tissue is differentially fixed so the edge is fixed 
more than the center. That makes staining different on the edge vs the center. 
This occurs when a piece is fixed whole, not sliced. Or could be a thick piece 
of tissue that does not get  fully fixed in the center.

The staining will be best in the area that has the proper fixation  - and that 
could be the edge or the interior, or there may be a gradient of staining 
toward the interior and the "proper" staining will be seen somewhere on the 
gradient. 

2) Drying artifact: liquid applied to the slide dries around the edges of the 
tissue so the outside edge is dry, or almost dry, and the center is still wet. 
Usually in this case the outside edge will have a lot of background, the 
interior will often be properly stained. The edge could be differentially moist 
or dry, so the staining or background is inconsistent in the tissue.


Tim Morken
Department of Pathology
UC San Francisco Medical Center




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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Gudrun Lang
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:19 AM
To: Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] edge effect IHC

 

Hi!

Can someone give me a nice description of the "edge effect" in IHC? Is there a 
common opinion about the causes?

 

Thank you

Gudrun Lang

 

 

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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Horn, Hazel V]

Well said, Tim.

Hazel Horn
Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription
Anatomic Pathology
Arkansas Children's Hospital
1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202
501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax
hor...@archildrens.org
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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:54 AM
To: Histonet
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

This discussion comes up every year and, of course is never resolved to our 
satisfaction because histotechs  really have only a little say in it.

Personally I think labs are better off with certified techs. Uncertified techs 
should start as lab assistants and earn their certification before getting a 
histotech title.  The histotech title should be for someone who at least starts 
as a general histotech who can do the gamut of histology work - embedding, 
cutting, H&E, specials and IHC/ISH. From that base they can branch out or 
specialize. It would be a dream to require formal schooling, as with med techs, 
but there are so few schools that it is just impractical. A certification is a 
baseline that shows a person who is OJT has learned the minimum required to 
understand histotechnology.

However, because we don't report out any results on our own authority there is 
no impetus for a pathologist or institution to make the position more than it 
is: a technical position that does do require fancy work, but in the end "only" 
provides the materials for someone else to use for interpretation, decisions 
and reporting. We don't even pick the sample, the test or even determine how to 
do the test - that is all determined by the Technical Director of the lab, 
usually a board certified pathologist. Our primary job is to provide good 
quality materials so they can do their job well. That does involved a lot of 
knowledge, organization and skill, but it is not at the level of making actual 
patient care decisions.

Pathologists Assistants get a  bit more "respect" because they are required to 
make judgment decisions on how to sample a particular case. Even then, that 
sampling is strictly detailed in procedures developed by pathologists.

The most we could ask for is licensing that requires certain qualifications to 
be a histotech. However, that has some drawbacks as well, namely the 
restriction of the profession to licensed people, and so is a barrier to entry. 
Would it lead to pay raises? Does anyone have studies showing pay before and 
after licesure requirements?  It is questionable whether it enhances the 
quality of the lab since most histotechs are OJT anyway, and simple licensure 
may not increase actual quality of work by an individual. (does anyone know of 
any studies that look at quality in states with and without licensing?).

The CLIA requirements at least set a baseline for education, if not actual 
certification. Asking pathologists to support universal certification and/or 
licensure is problematic - many independent labs won't support that because, as 
in licensure, it decreases the pool and increases costs (ie, pay). Since the 
pathologist is the person deemed responsible for quality and lab results, 
setting the bar higher is only in the interests of the technologists, not the 
pathologist. Now, some enlightened pathologists understand that better-educated 
and better-trained techs are good for the overall.

So in the end the histotech community, along with a few enlightened 
pathologists have to lobby for anything they want. But what is that? Increased 
pay? More say in lab operations?

My experience is that you can rise as high as you want if you take 
opportunities that come up. But that may mean either spending many years in one 
place slowly moving up, or moving around to take other opportunities. It will 
depend on the individual. In either case using your time in the lab to learn 
whatever there is to learn, even in other departments, or on various 
committees, pays off in the long run. And that includes management. The last 
thing you should do is limit yourself to a job description someone gives you. 
Take that as the base line, not the limit.


Tim Morken
Supervisor, Electron Microscopy/Neuromuscular Special Studies Department of 
Pathology UC San Francisco Medical Center




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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:30 AM
To: 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do 
not report results.  All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the 
pathologists report the results.   CLIA standards are based on resu

RE: [Histonet] Qdots

[Sally Ann Drew]

Please share the info?  We're just beginning to use Qdots-but haven't yet on
the Discovery, so it would be nice to have a heads-up about any issues
others are having!
Thank you!
_Sally

Sally Ann Drew,MT(ASCP)
Dept. of Pathology TRIP Lab Manager 
CSC, K4/435
608.265.4378



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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Truscott,
Tom
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:21 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] Qdots

If anyone has had success with solving background issues with Ventana's
Q-Dot labeling, would you please contact me? Thankyou, Tom Truscott
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RE: [Histonet] (no subject)

[Cartun, Richard]

Hospital "By-Laws" established by the Medical Staff and Administration may 
prevent tissue obtained within the hospital from going outside to another 
laboratory.

Richard

Richard W. Cartun, MS, PhD
Director, Histology & Immunopathology
Director, Biospecimen Collection Programs
Assistant Director, Anatomic Pathology
Hartford Hospital
80 Seymour Street
Hartford, CT  06102
(860) 545-1596 Office
(860) 545-2204 Fax
richard.car...@hhchealth.org


From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] on behalf of clay milks 
[claymi...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:38 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] (no subject)

I need a little help on a Patient’s rights question.


It is my understanding that when a patient has a procedure, the patient has the 
right to request that those specimens be examined by a laboratory of their 
choosing.  i.e. EGD, colonoscopy, etc


I am in Arkansas.


My father had a procedure yesterday at a local hospital.  I manage a pathology 
laboratory that specializes in the type of tissue that the procedure procured.  
When it was requested that the tissue be sent to my laboratory, the hospital 
staff refused to fulfill the request.  We asked multiple times for a release 
form so my father could take his tissue with him.  The administration employee 
we spoke to said there was no such thing and that patients were not allowed to 
take their specimens. One employee going so far as stating that if we wanted 
the tissue sent somewhere aside from their contracted laboratory, that the 
procedure would be canceled and my father would have to go somewhere else.   My 
father, not wanting to cause a fuss, let the issue go.


Questions:

Is it legal for a hospital to require that tissue specimens be sent to a lab 
they are contracted with?


Are there any other actions we could have taken to make our requests be honored?



This is not meant to insult the hospital, but to give an explanation of the 
situation for context in answering the questions.

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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[O'Donnell, Bill]

This is precisely why I stopped giving NSH my money. When they start to earn 
it, I will reinstate my membership. I suppose they could argue that they can't 
do it without my money - they had 25 years of my membership - and all I got was 
a discount to meetings my institution can't afford to send me to and, I will 
admit, a decent magazine..  Now if I could just withhold taxes until the 
Government starts doing what we elected it to do...  WAy off topic- Bill

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Pam Marcum
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:46 AM
To: Joyce K. Weems
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT



We also need NSH to step up and do what they said they would years ago instead 
of planning more and more meetings per year and increasing what we pay them for 
not doing anything to help us.  They seem to support anything ASCP/CAP/CLIA etc 
tells them and we are left footing the bill in more ways than monetarily.  NSH 
in Providence is in a week and I cannot go this time so why can't those going 
start asking where the proposal brought up years ago hasn't moved forward.  I 
would have been happy to bring it up from the floor in the general membership 
meeting.  


Pam Marcum
- Original Message -
From: "Joyce K. Weems" 
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:39:03 AM
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT 

They are only as good as we are, so we need them to fight for us!! 

Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
678-843-7831 Fax
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org 



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-Original Message-
From: Horn, Hazel V [mailto:hor...@archildrens.org]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:30 AM
To: Weems, Joyce K.; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT 

Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do 
not report results.  All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the 
pathologists report the results.   CLIA standards are based on result 
reporting.   The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists 
would hire unregistered techs.  If pathologists would demand only registered 
techs half our battle would be won. 

Hazel Horn
Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas 
Children's Hospital
1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202
501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax
hor...@archildrens.org
archildrens.org 






-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K. 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM
To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT 

And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were 
looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. 


Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
678-843-7831 Fax
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org 



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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT 

As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education 
requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. 



From:   "Marcum, Pamela A" 
To:     "'joelle weaver'" , "'Emily Sours'" 
, "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu" 

Date:   09/10/2013 01:12 PM
Subject:        RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT Sent by:        
histonet-boun...@li

RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Marcum, Pamela A]

Agreed and now that the registries for HT and HTL require credits to remain 
registered it does help with keeping people in the area learning and growing.  
The point that other than the front office for NSH is a well taken point and 
the rest are volunteers.   I am not always sure the front office understands 
hospitals, private labs, universities etc. are not sending anyone to meetings 
or really encouraging further education for most lab staffs.  Histology here 
can get registration paid for and everything else is on the person attending 
for transportation/room and board and all other expenses we are not able to go 
to meetings in far flung places.  

Pam Marcum

-Original Message-
From: Mitchell Jean A [mailto:jmitch...@uwhealth.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:26 AM
To: Horn, Hazel V; 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Even if a facility does not require that techs be HT registered - the 
technicians themselves need go that extra step, take the initiative themselves 
and become HT certified.  If a portion of histologists don't recognize or care 
about the merit of certification how can we progress our profession to the 
status it deserves?   You have to believe in yourself in order for others to 
follow suit.   

With the exclusion of the front office; NSH is a volunteer organization that 
fights for our profession and it can be difficult to take on the big dogs of 
ASCP/CAP/CLIA.  I like to see this passion for our profession and if we keep 
this up eventually we will see results and the professional status we deserve. 

Jean Mitchell, BS HT (ASCP)
University of Wisconsin Hospital & Clinics Neuromuscular Laboratory
600 Highland Avenue
Madison, WI  53792-5132 


-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Horn, Hazel V
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:30 AM
To: 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do 
not report results.  All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the 
pathologists report the results.   CLIA standards are based on result 
reporting.   The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists 
would hire unregistered techs.  If pathologists would demand only registered 
techs half our battle would be won. 

Hazel Horn
Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas 
Children's Hospital
1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202
501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax
hor...@archildrens.org
archildrens.org






-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K.
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM
To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were 
looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.


Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
678-843-7831 Fax
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org



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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education 
requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.



From:   "Marcum, Pamela A" 
To: "'joelle weaver'" , "'Emily Sours'"
, "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu"

Date:   09/10/2013 01:12 PM
Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu



I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as 
they could be for what we are facing in Histology.  I keep harping on the fact 
that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this 
limbo.  The

RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID)]

Agreed. Vancouver was especially difficult due to it being outside the U.S. as 
well as more expensive than most other sites. The fact that the meeting crossed 
from Sept. into Oct. was impossible for most government employees who have a 
fiscal year ending Sept. This would have required 2 sets of travel vouchers, 
etc. and if a Continuing Resolution was not reached on Sept. 30 I would have 
been flown back immediately.

 I remember being told many years ago that NSH was scheduling the meetings in 
smaller host towns to contain costs.  I love that idea so I hope we can keep on 
that track.

Vancouver was the first meeting I missed in several years. 

Jeanine H. Sanders
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Infectious Diseases Pathology Branch
404-639-3590
j...@cdc.gov

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Marcum, Pamela A
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:46 AM
To: 'Mitchell Jean A'; Horn, Hazel V; 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Agreed and now that the registries for HT and HTL require credits to remain 
registered it does help with keeping people in the area learning and growing.  
The point that other than the front office for NSH is a well taken point and 
the rest are volunteers.   I am not always sure the front office understands 
hospitals, private labs, universities etc. are not sending anyone to meetings 
or really encouraging further education for most lab staffs.  Histology here 
can get registration paid for and everything else is on the person attending 
for transportation/room and board and all other expenses we are not able to go 
to meetings in far flung places.  

Pam Marcum

-Original Message-
From: Mitchell Jean A [mailto:jmitch...@uwhealth.org]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:26 AM
To: Horn, Hazel V; 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Even if a facility does not require that techs be HT registered - the 
technicians themselves need go that extra step, take the initiative themselves 
and become HT certified.  If a portion of histologists don't recognize or care 
about the merit of certification how can we progress our profession to the 
status it deserves?   You have to believe in yourself in order for others to 
follow suit.   

With the exclusion of the front office; NSH is a volunteer organization that 
fights for our profession and it can be difficult to take on the big dogs of 
ASCP/CAP/CLIA.  I like to see this passion for our profession and if we keep 
this up eventually we will see results and the professional status we deserve. 

Jean Mitchell, BS HT (ASCP)
University of Wisconsin Hospital & Clinics Neuromuscular Laboratory
600 Highland Avenue
Madison, WI  53792-5132 


-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Horn, Hazel V
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:30 AM
To: 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do 
not report results.  All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the 
pathologists report the results.   CLIA standards are based on result 
reporting.   The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists 
would hire unregistered techs.  If pathologists would demand only registered 
techs half our battle would be won. 

Hazel Horn
Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas 
Children's Hospital
1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202
501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax
hor...@archildrens.org
archildrens.org






-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K.
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM
To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were 
looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.


Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
678-843-7831 Fax
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org



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[Histonet] DNA ploidy

[Houston, Ronald]

Would anyone doing DNA ploidy be willing to share their protocol? It's a long 
time since I was involved in this and I'm sure there have been many advances
Thanks

Ronnie Houston, MS HT(ASCP)QIHC
Anatomic Pathology Manager
ChildLab, a Division of Nationwide Children's Hospital
www.childlab.com

700 Children's Drive
Columbus, OH 43205
(P) 614-722-5450
(F) 614-722-2899
ronald.hous...@nationwidechildrens.org
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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Pam Barker]

My 2 cents...
 So the real "shortage" in the field is ASCP HT/HTL certified techs with 2+
years of experience who are CLIA qualified to gross.  Just saying... I know
a great many uncertified experienced techs and even more entry level ASCP
certified recent graduates of histology schools who are desperately looking
for positions and willing to relocate anywhere and work any shift...

Thanks-Pam

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-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee & Peggy
Wenk
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:01 AM
To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'JenniferMacDonald'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu;
histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Just a comment on the comment about there being "not enough" HT/HTL programs
in the US. Agreed. There are 38 HT and 7 HTL, for a total of 45. Compare
that with 223 MLS/MT and 233 MLT, for a total of 456, and we histotechs have
1/10 the number of programs as med techs.

If you are interested in starting a HT or HTL program in your area, either
in a hospital or a college, or would like information about what it would
take to start one, Sarah Bajer and I are presenting at Providence, RI,
Workshop #2 on How to Start a HT or HTL School, on Saturday Sept. 21, from
8:00 am - 11:30 am.

Come and collect the information. To register, go to the NSH website
http://www.histoconvention.org/

Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS

-Original Message-
From: Marcum, Pamela A
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:18 AM
To: 'Weems, Joyce K.' ; 'JenniferMacDonald'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ;
histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

We have heard for years that NSH is working on changing the status to
Laboratory Professionals and so far as I have heard nothing happening to
make the change.  A large part of this is ASCP/all organizations
inspecting/licensing are still looking at us as non-skilled labor that
requires only OJT training or an AA/AS degree at best.  We have a few one
year schools and some online however; not enough to cover the need for HTs
and HTLs.

We need ASCP/CAP/CLIA/all organizations that inspect us and tell us how to
run the laboratories to actually understand we have changed in the last 25
years and no longer just cut and do H&Es.  I am not sure where to go as I
have been bringing this up for years and see no movement.  Take the test to
be an inspector for CAP and you will see the problem clearly.  It is 98%
Clinical Laboratory and maybe 2% Anatomic Pathology.  If you don't know
Clinical you will have a problem passing the test without help.

Pam Marcum

-Original Message-
From: Weems, Joyce K. [mailto:joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM
To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu;
histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were
looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.


Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
678-843-7831 Fax
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org



www.saintjosephsatlanta.org
5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road
Atlanta, GA 30342

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-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; 
histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education 
requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.



From:   "Marcum, Pamela A" 
To: "'joelle weaver'" , "'Emily Sours'"
, "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu"

Date:   09/10/2013 01:12 PM
Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu



I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histo

Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Lee & Peggy Wenk]

Just a comment on the comment about there being "not enough" HT/HTL programs 
in the US. Agreed. There are 38 HT and 7 HTL, for a total of 45. Compare 
that with 223 MLS/MT and 233 MLT, for a total of 456, and we histotechs have 
1/10 the number of programs as med techs.


If you are interested in starting a HT or HTL program in your area, either 
in a hospital or a college, or would like information about what it would 
take to start one, Sarah Bajer and I are presenting at Providence, RI, 
Workshop #2 on How to Start a HT or HTL School, on Saturday Sept. 21, from 
8:00 am - 11:30 am.


Come and collect the information. To register, go to the NSH website 
http://www.histoconvention.org/


Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS

-Original Message- 
From: Marcum, Pamela A

Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:18 AM
To: 'Weems, Joyce K.' ; 'JenniferMacDonald'
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ; 
histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu

Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

We have heard for years that NSH is working on changing the status to 
Laboratory Professionals and so far as I have heard nothing happening to 
make the change.  A large part of this is ASCP/all organizations 
inspecting/licensing are still looking at us as non-skilled labor that 
requires only OJT training or an AA/AS degree at best.  We have a few one 
year schools and some online however; not enough to cover the need for HTs 
and HTLs.


We need ASCP/CAP/CLIA/all organizations that inspect us and tell us how to 
run the laboratories to actually understand we have changed in the last 25 
years and no longer just cut and do H&Es.  I am not sure where to go as I 
have been bringing this up for years and see no movement.  Take the test to 
be an inspector for CAP and you will see the problem clearly.  It is 98% 
Clinical Laboratory and maybe 2% Anatomic Pathology.  If you don't know 
Clinical you will have a problem passing the test without help.


Pam Marcum

-Original Message-
From: Weems, Joyce K. [mailto:joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM
To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; 
histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu

Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were 
looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.



Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
678-843-7831 Fax
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org



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-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
MacDonald

Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; 
histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu

Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education 
requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.




From:   "Marcum, Pamela A" 
To: "'joelle weaver'" , "'Emily Sours'"
, "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu"

Date:   09/10/2013 01:12 PM
Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu



I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as 
they could be for what we are facing in Histology.  I keep harping on the 
fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay 
in this limbo.  The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to 
what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more 
years ago.  The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find 
anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any manual testing.  The 
Micro lab is the closest to being as manual as areas of Histology.


I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for 
us.  I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview.


Pam Marcum

From: joelle weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Well I am  mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set 
standards outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position I 
have now, I had to submit all my transcripts from high school up through 
masters in addition to  proof of my ASCP certification, IHC qualifi

RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[joelle weaver]

Thanks for your point of view and insights Pam- we need to know what employers 
are seeking to keep marketable.
 




Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
 
> From: rel...@earthlink.net
> To: lpw...@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:09:04 -0400
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> 
> My 2 cents...
>  So the real "shortage" in the field is ASCP HT/HTL certified techs with 2+
> years of experience who are CLIA qualified to gross.  Just saying... I know
> a great many uncertified experienced techs and even more entry level ASCP
> certified recent graduates of histology schools who are desperately looking
> for positions and willing to relocate anywhere and work any shift...
> 
> Thanks-Pam
> 
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> 
> Thank You!
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>  
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> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee & Peggy
> Wenk
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:01 AM
> To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'JenniferMacDonald'
> Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu;
> histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> 
> Just a comment on the comment about there being "not enough" HT/HTL programs
> in the US. Agreed. There are 38 HT and 7 HTL, for a total of 45. Compare
> that with 223 MLS/MT and 233 MLT, for a total of 456, and we histotechs have
> 1/10 the number of programs as med techs.
> 
> If you are interested in starting a HT or HTL program in your area, either
> in a hospital or a college, or would like information about what it would
> take to start one, Sarah Bajer and I are presenting at Providence, RI,
> Workshop #2 on How to Start a HT or HTL School, on Saturday Sept. 21, from
> 8:00 am - 11:30 am.
> 
> Come and collect the information. To register, go to the NSH website
> http://www.histoconvention.org/
> 
> Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Marcum, Pamela A
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:18 AM
> To: 'Weems, Joyce K.' ; 'JenniferMacDonald'
> Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ;
> histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> 
> We have heard for years that NSH is working on changing the status to
> Laboratory Professionals and so far as I have heard nothing happening to
> make the change.  A large part of this is ASCP/all organizations
> inspecting/licensing are still looking at us as non-skilled labor that
> requires only OJT training or an AA/AS degree at best.  We have a few one
> year schools and some online however; not enough to cover the need for HTs
> and HTLs.
> 
> We need ASCP/CAP/CLIA/all organizations that inspect us and tell us how to
> run the laboratories to actually understand we have changed in the last 25
> years and no longer just cut and do H&Es.  I am not sure where to go as I
> have been bringing this up for years and see no movement.  Take the test to
> be an inspector for CAP and you will see the problem clearly.  It is 98%
> Clinical Laboratory and maybe 2% Anatomic Pathology.  If you don't know
> Clinical you will have a problem passing the test without help.
> 
> Pam Marcum
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Weems, Joyce K. [mailto:joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM
> To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
> Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu;
> histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> 
> And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were
> looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.
> 
> 
> Joyce Weems
> Pathology Manager
> 678-843-7376 Phone
> 678-843-7831 Fax
> joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org
> 
> 
> 
> www.saintjosephsatlanta.org
> 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road
> Atlanta, GA 30342
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
> [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
> MacDonald
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM
> To:

Fwd: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Emily Sours]

How do you gain credits? Do you get them for attending seminars or do you
have to take actual courses?
Are these the CME's I always see noted for lectures? I never knew what
those were for.

Emily

"By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of
their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new
story for their lives. Move forward."

-Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Marcum, Pamela A wrote:

> Agreed and now that the registries for HT and HTL require credits to
> remain registered it does help with keeping people in the area learning and
> growing.  The point that other than the front office for NSH is a well
> taken point and the rest are volunteers.   I am not always sure the front
> office understands hospitals, private labs, universities etc. are not
> sending anyone to meetings or really encouraging further education for most
> lab staffs.  Histology here can get registration paid for and everything
> else is on the person attending for transportation/room and board and all
> other expenses we are not able to go to meetings in far flung places.
>
> Pam Marcum
>
>
>
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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[joelle weaver]

Peggy
I am not able to attend the workshop since I am alone right now setting up the 
lab. Would it be possible to collect or provide some way that those interested 
but not able to attend, that we might be able to view or purchase the content 
of the workshop on starting a program following the presentation? I have been 
through the NAACLS process and their training in Chicago, but there is so much 
to know about this topic, and I would like to take advantage of the 
information. 
We definitely need more programs for histotechnology. I want to get going on 
being a site next year ( once the lab is up & running) for programs a state or 
so away- and then maybe get involved with a program or getting one going after 
that so this information might really be valuable for me. 
Thanks
Joelle 




Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
 
> From: lpw...@sbcglobal.net
> To: pamar...@uams.edu; joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org; jmacdon...@mtsac.edu
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:01:10 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; 
> histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> 
> Just a comment on the comment about there being "not enough" HT/HTL programs 
> in the US. Agreed. There are 38 HT and 7 HTL, for a total of 45. Compare 
> that with 223 MLS/MT and 233 MLT, for a total of 456, and we histotechs have 
> 1/10 the number of programs as med techs.
> 
> If you are interested in starting a HT or HTL program in your area, either 
> in a hospital or a college, or would like information about what it would 
> take to start one, Sarah Bajer and I are presenting at Providence, RI, 
> Workshop #2 on How to Start a HT or HTL School, on Saturday Sept. 21, from 
> 8:00 am - 11:30 am.
> 
> Come and collect the information. To register, go to the NSH website 
> http://www.histoconvention.org/
> 
> Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Marcum, Pamela A
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:18 AM
> To: 'Weems, Joyce K.' ; 'JenniferMacDonald'
> Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ; 
> histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> 
> We have heard for years that NSH is working on changing the status to 
> Laboratory Professionals and so far as I have heard nothing happening to 
> make the change.  A large part of this is ASCP/all organizations 
> inspecting/licensing are still looking at us as non-skilled labor that 
> requires only OJT training or an AA/AS degree at best.  We have a few one 
> year schools and some online however; not enough to cover the need for HTs 
> and HTLs.
> 
> We need ASCP/CAP/CLIA/all organizations that inspect us and tell us how to 
> run the laboratories to actually understand we have changed in the last 25 
> years and no longer just cut and do H&Es.  I am not sure where to go as I 
> have been bringing this up for years and see no movement.  Take the test to 
> be an inspector for CAP and you will see the problem clearly.  It is 98% 
> Clinical Laboratory and maybe 2% Anatomic Pathology.  If you don't know 
> Clinical you will have a problem passing the test without help.
> 
> Pam Marcum
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Weems, Joyce K. [mailto:joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM
> To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
> Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; 
> histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> 
> And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were 
> looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.
> 
> 
> Joyce Weems
> Pathology Manager
> 678-843-7376 Phone
> 678-843-7831 Fax
> joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org
> 
> 
> 
> www.saintjosephsatlanta.org
> 5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road
> Atlanta, GA 30342
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
> [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
> MacDonald
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM
> To: Marcum, Pamela A
> Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; 
> histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> 
> As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education 
> requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.
> 
> 
> 
> From:   "Marcum, Pamela A" 
> To: "'joelle weaver'" , "'Emily Sours'"
> , "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu"
> 
> Date:   09/10/2013 01:12 PM
> Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> Sent by:   

[Histonet] edge effect IHC

[Gudrun Lang]

 

Hi!

Can someone give me a nice description of the "edge effect" in IHC? Is there
a common opinion about the causes?

 

Thank you

Gudrun Lang

 

 

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[Histonet] Qdots

[Truscott, Tom]

If anyone has had success with solving background issues with Ventana's Q-Dot 
labeling, would you please contact me? Thankyou, Tom Truscott
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Re: RE: [Histonet] (no subject)

[E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森]

We work in the veterinary medical field and 98% of our work is with 
swine diseases
including some feed additive safety evaluations.  We provide pictures of 
all the lesions
that we see as part of the report we provide to farms.  It definitely 
takes more of our
time than it would to give a pathomorphologic description in English and 
Chinese
but we believe in transparency even though it might expose us somehow, 
realizing

that some things in pathology are art.

We are providing service and we think the best way is to be as transparent
as possible in everything that we do.

Stonewalling and secrecy generally breed contempt.
We try to be at our best even when we dont feel like it.

It is true that our subjects have economic value only and they are 
expendable

and the pigs are unlikely to see us in court.  But I think that even in
situations where there are emotions as with pets, and where there are
real human concerns about quality of care for human patients, transparency
and participation of all those concerned in the diagnositic and
evaluative process generally creates good will and cooperation and
good outcomes.


On 3:59, CHRISTIE GOWAN wrote:

Hi Clay,

Most hospitals have a tissue committee that makes decisions about surgical 
specimens. These decisions become hospital policy. Most hospitals state that 
once a specimen is removed it essentially becomes the property of the hospital. 
Release of specimens is usually after it has been accessioned and grossed in 
for pathology reveiw. There is usually a form for that type of release. The 
hospital would be at risk if they let the specimen leave without following 
hospital policy. I am not saying it is right or wrong but I can see the logic 
in it. Once the specimen has been processed through the hospitals pathology 
department then blocks and slides can be requested for 2nd opinions. Good luck 
in your search for answers.

Christie Gowan



To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 12:38:10 +
From: claymi...@hotmail.com
Subject: [Histonet] (no subject)




I need a little help on a Patient’s rights question.


It is my understanding that when a patient has a procedure, the patient has the 
right to request that those specimens be examined by a laboratory of their 
choosing.  i.e. EGD, colonoscopy, etc


I am in Arkansas.


My father had a procedure yesterday at a local hospital.  I manage a pathology 
laboratory that specializes in the type of tissue that the procedure procured.  
When it was requested that the tissue be sent to my laboratory, the hospital 
staff refused to fulfill the request.  We asked multiple times for a release 
form so my father could take his tissue with him.  The administration employee 
we spoke to said there was no such thing and that patients were not allowed to 
take their specimens. One employee going so far as stating that if we wanted 
the tissue sent somewhere aside from their contracted laboratory, that the 
procedure would be canceled and my father would have to go somewhere else.   My 
father, not wanting to cause a fuss, let the issue go.


Questions:

Is it legal for a hospital to require that tissue specimens be sent to a lab 
they are contracted with?


Are there any other actions we could have taken to make our requests be honored?



This is not meant to insult the hospital, but to give an explanation of the 
situation for context in answering the questions.

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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Marcum, Pamela A]

Many states and regions are affiliated with NSH and have state societies that 
have annual meetings with one or two days of seminars and workshops that are 
reasonably priced and hopefully close enough to allow attendance.  The National 
Society for Histotechnology has a meeting at a specified location every year 
that is 5 days long and covers clinical, veterinary, research and other topics 
in management.  The meetings are listed on the NSH.org website if you are 
interested in looking at all available meetings for most states and regions.  
These are great educational opportunities for everyone whether you are a 
registered HT/HTL/student or researcher with special interests.

Pam Marcum

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Emily Sours
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:57 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Fwd: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

How do you gain credits? Do you get them for attending seminars or do you have 
to take actual courses?
Are these the CME's I always see noted for lectures? I never knew what those 
were for.

Emily

"By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their 
own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for 
their lives. Move forward."

-Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Marcum, Pamela A wrote:

> Agreed and now that the registries for HT and HTL require credits to 
> remain registered it does help with keeping people in the area 
> learning and growing.  The point that other than the front office for NSH is 
> a well
> taken point and the rest are volunteers.   I am not always sure the front
> office understands hospitals, private labs, universities etc. are not 
> sending anyone to meetings or really encouraging further education for 
> most lab staffs.  Histology here can get registration paid for and 
> everything else is on the person attending for transportation/room and 
> board and all other expenses we are not able to go to meetings in far flung 
> places.
>
> Pam Marcum
>
>
>
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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Sebree Linda A]

Well said Jean.

Linda A. Sebree 
University of Wisconsin Hospital & Clinics 
IHC/ISH Laboratory 
600 Highland Ave. 
Madison, WI 53792 
(608)265-6596 
FAX: (608)262-7174 

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Mitchell Jean A
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:26 AM
To: 'Horn, Hazel V'; 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Even if a facility does not require that techs be HT registered - the 
technicians themselves need go that extra step, take the initiative themselves 
and become HT certified.  If a portion of histologists don't recognize or care 
about the merit of certification how can we progress our profession to the 
status it deserves?   You have to believe in yourself in order for others to 
follow suit.   

With the exclusion of the front office; NSH is a volunteer organization that 
fights for our profession and it can be difficult to take on the big dogs of 
ASCP/CAP/CLIA.  I like to see this passion for our profession and if we keep 
this up eventually we will see results and the professional status we deserve. 

Jean Mitchell, BS HT (ASCP)
University of Wisconsin Hospital & Clinics Neuromuscular Laboratory
600 Highland Avenue
Madison, WI  53792-5132 


-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Horn, Hazel V
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:30 AM
To: 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do 
not report results.  All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the 
pathologists report the results.   CLIA standards are based on result 
reporting.   The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists 
would hire unregistered techs.  If pathologists would demand only registered 
techs half our battle would be won. 

Hazel Horn
Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas 
Children's Hospital
1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202
501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax
hor...@archildrens.org
archildrens.org






-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K.
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM
To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were 
looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.


Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
678-843-7831 Fax
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org



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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education 
requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.



From:   "Marcum, Pamela A" 
To: "'joelle weaver'" , "'Emily Sours'"
, "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu"

Date:   09/10/2013 01:12 PM
Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu



I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as 
they could be for what we are facing in Histology.  I keep harping on the fact 
that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this 
limbo.  The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is 
done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago.  
The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most 
areas who can even remember doing any manual testing.  The Micro lab is the 
closest to being as manual as areas of Histology.

I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for

RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Mitchell Jean A]

Even if a facility does not require that techs be HT registered - the 
technicians themselves need go that extra step, take the initiative themselves 
and become HT certified.  If a portion of histologists don't recognize or care 
about the merit of certification how can we progress our profession to the 
status it deserves?   You have to believe in yourself in order for others to 
follow suit.   

With the exclusion of the front office; NSH is a volunteer organization that 
fights for our profession and it can be difficult to take on the big dogs of 
ASCP/CAP/CLIA.  I like to see this passion for our profession and if we keep 
this up eventually we will see results and the professional status we deserve. 

Jean Mitchell, BS HT (ASCP)
University of Wisconsin Hospital & Clinics
Neuromuscular Laboratory 
600 Highland Avenue
Madison, WI  53792-5132 


-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Horn, Hazel V
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:30 AM
To: 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do 
not report results.  All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the 
pathologists report the results.   CLIA standards are based on result 
reporting.   The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists 
would hire unregistered techs.  If pathologists would demand only registered 
techs half our battle would be won. 

Hazel Horn
Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas 
Children's Hospital
1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202
501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax
hor...@archildrens.org
archildrens.org






-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K.
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM
To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were 
looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.


Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
678-843-7831 Fax
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org



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-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education 
requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.



From:   "Marcum, Pamela A" 
To: "'joelle weaver'" , "'Emily Sours'"
, "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu"

Date:   09/10/2013 01:12 PM
Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu



I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as 
they could be for what we are facing in Histology.  I keep harping on the fact 
that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this 
limbo.  The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is 
done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago.  
The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most 
areas who can even remember doing any manual testing.  The Micro lab is the 
closest to being as manual as areas of Histology.

I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for us.  
I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview.

Pam Marcum

From: joelle weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

 Well I am  mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set standards 
outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position I have now, I 
had to submit all my transcripts from high school up through masters in 
addition to  proof of my ASCP certification, IHC qualifica

RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Clare Thornton]

Look for a position paper presented by members of the NSH BOD in the Journal of 
Histotechnology after the national convention in Vancouver last year.  I'm not 
sure of the exact issue (thought I still had it on my desk).  This will explain 
what being a laboratory professional is and why it is so important that as 
histotechnologists we are viewed as such.


Clare J. Thornton, HTL(ASCP)QIHC 
Assistant Histology Supervisor
Dahl-Chase Diagnostic Services
417 State Street, Suite 540
Bangor, ME 04401
cthorn...@dahlchase.com




-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Emily Sours
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:58 AM
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Do you get paid more with that title? Just curious, I'm not sure what 
"laboratory professional" means, as I'm not in that kind of lab.
Or is it a respect thing?

Emily

"By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of their 
own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new story for 
their lives. Move forward."

-Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Jennifer MacDonald wrote:

> As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium 
> education requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.
>
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Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Emily Sours]

Do you get paid more with that title? Just curious, I'm not sure what
"laboratory professional" means, as I'm not in that kind of lab.
Or is it a respect thing?

Emily

"By bitching and bitching and bitching, they could exhaust the drama of
their own horror stories. Grow bored. Only then could they accept a new
story for their lives. Move forward."

-Chuck Palahniuk, "Haunted"


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Jennifer MacDonald wrote:

> As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education
> requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.
>
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Re: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Pam Marcum]

We also need NSH to step up and do what they said they would years ago instead 
of planning more and more meetings per year and increasing what we pay them for 
not doing anything to help us.  They seem to support anything ASCP/CAP/CLIA etc 
tells them and we are left footing the bill in more ways than monetarily.  NSH 
in Providence is in a week and I cannot go this time so why can't those going 
start asking where the proposal brought up years ago hasn't moved forward.  I 
would have been happy to bring it up from the floor in the general membership 
meeting.  


Pam Marcum 
- Original Message -
From: "Joyce K. Weems"  
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:39:03 AM 
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT 

They are only as good as we are, so we need them to fight for us!! 

Joyce Weems 
Pathology Manager 
678-843-7376 Phone 
678-843-7831 Fax 
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org 



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-Original Message- 
From: Horn, Hazel V [mailto:hor...@archildrens.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:30 AM 
To: Weems, Joyce K.; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A 
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; 
histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT 

Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do 
not report results.  All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the 
pathologists report the results.   CLIA standards are based on result 
reporting.   The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists 
would hire unregistered techs.  If pathologists would demand only registered 
techs half our battle would be won. 

Hazel Horn 
Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas 
Children's Hospital 
1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202 
501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax 
hor...@archildrens.org 
archildrens.org 






-Original Message- 
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K. 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM 
To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A 
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; 
histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT 

And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were 
looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question. 


Joyce Weems 
Pathology Manager 
678-843-7376 Phone 
678-843-7831 Fax 
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org 



www.saintjosephsatlanta.org 
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Atlanta, GA 30342 

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-Original Message- 
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
MacDonald 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM 
To: Marcum, Pamela A 
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; 
histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT 

As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education 
requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals. 



From:   "Marcum, Pamela A"  
To:     "'joelle weaver'" , "'Emily Sours'" 
, "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu" 
 
Date:   09/10/2013 01:12 PM 
Subject:        RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT 
Sent by:        histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 



I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as 
they could be for what we are facing in Histology.  I keep harping on the fact 
that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this 
limbo.  The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is 
done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago.  
The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most 
areas who can even remember doing any manual testing.  The Micro lab is the 
closest to being as manual as areas of Histology. 

I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for us.  
I would lo

RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Marcum, Pamela A]

You are absolutely right.  Pathologists are afraid if they are not seen as the 
ones doing "complex testing" the last bastion of their power will disappear.  
It would help if they just realize how much we do to help them by knowing how 
to read and judge whether those "complex tests" are done right and the correct 
controls in place to keep them from saying or reading the wrong thing.  Many 
pathologists will admit they could not do our job or even understand what we do 
to get the tissue from a cassette to a stained slide.  I think some think we 
wiggle our noses and it appears like magic stained on the slide.  

If they can't gross well, then we know where the true understanding of 
Histology starts.  They managed to get a registry for Pathology Assistants that 
is quite hard to pass so they could stop grossing in many hospitals.  Now we 
have some good and some bad PAs who are of the same opinion as the pathologists 
about Histologists in many cases.  We have CLIA approved (based on education 
and number of science hours) as the cost of PA is too high in many AP labs.  

Pam Marcum.

-Original Message-
From: Horn, Hazel V [mailto:hor...@archildrens.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:30 AM
To: 'Weems, Joyce K.'; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do 
not report results.  All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the 
pathologists report the results.   CLIA standards are based on result 
reporting.   The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists 
would hire unregistered techs.  If pathologists would demand only registered 
techs half our battle would be won. 

Hazel Horn
Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas 
Children's Hospital
1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202
501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax
hor...@archildrens.org
archildrens.org






-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K.
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM
To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were 
looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.


Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
678-843-7831 Fax
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org



www.saintjosephsatlanta.org
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Atlanta, GA 30342

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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education 
requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.



From:   "Marcum, Pamela A" 
To: "'joelle weaver'" , "'Emily Sours'"
, "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu"

Date:   09/10/2013 01:12 PM
Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu



I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as 
they could be for what we are facing in Histology.  I keep harping on the fact 
that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this 
limbo.  The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is 
done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago.  
The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most 
areas who can even remember doing any manual testing.  The Micro lab is the 
closest to being as manual as areas of Histology.

I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for us.  
I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview.

Pam Marcum

From: joelle weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

 Well I am  mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set standards 
outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stip

RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Weems, Joyce K.]

They are only as good as we are, so we need them to fight for us!!

Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
678-843-7831 Fax
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org



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5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road
Atlanta, GA 30342

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-Original Message-
From: Horn, Hazel V [mailto:hor...@archildrens.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:30 AM
To: Weems, Joyce K.; 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do 
not report results.  All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the 
pathologists report the results.   CLIA standards are based on result 
reporting.   The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists 
would hire unregistered techs.  If pathologists would demand only registered 
techs half our battle would be won. 

Hazel Horn
Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription Anatomic Pathology Arkansas 
Children's Hospital
1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202
501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax
hor...@archildrens.org
archildrens.org






-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K.
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM
To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were 
looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.


Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
678-843-7831 Fax
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org



www.saintjosephsatlanta.org
5665 Peachtree Dunwoody Road
Atlanta, GA 30342

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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education 
requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.



From:   "Marcum, Pamela A" 
To: "'joelle weaver'" , "'Emily Sours'"
, "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu"

Date:   09/10/2013 01:12 PM
Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu



I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as 
they could be for what we are facing in Histology.  I keep harping on the fact 
that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this 
limbo.  The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is 
done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago.  
The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most 
areas who can even remember doing any manual testing.  The Micro lab is the 
closest to being as manual as areas of Histology.

I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for us.  
I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview.

Pam Marcum

From: joelle weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

 Well I am  mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set standards 
outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position I have now, I 
had to submit all my transcripts from high school up through masters in 
addition to  proof of my ASCP certification, IHC qualification, continuing 
education, and professional association activity. There is a lot of gray area 
out there. They seem to have not had trouble getting applicants though ( and I 
know this varies by market), there were over 8 candidates for an HT opening, 
which I thoug

RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Horn, Hazel V]

Histology does not get the respect or the recognition because histologists do 
not report results.  All of the complex testing we do is overlooked because the 
pathologists report the results.   CLIA standards are based on result 
reporting.   The CAP has looked the other way for years because pathologists 
would hire unregistered techs.  If pathologists would demand only registered 
techs half our battle would be won. 

Hazel Horn
Supervisor of Histology/Autopsy/Transcription
Anatomic Pathology
Arkansas Children's Hospital
1 Children's Way | Slot 820| Little Rock, AR 72202
501.364.4240 direct | 501.364.1241 fax
hor...@archildrens.org
archildrens.org






-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce K.
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM
To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were 
looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.


Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
678-843-7831 Fax
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org



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Atlanta, GA 30342

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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education 
requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.



From:   "Marcum, Pamela A" 
To: "'joelle weaver'" , "'Emily Sours'"
, "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu"

Date:   09/10/2013 01:12 PM
Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu



I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as 
they could be for what we are facing in Histology.  I keep harping on the fact 
that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this 
limbo.  The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is 
done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago.  
The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most 
areas who can even remember doing any manual testing.  The Micro lab is the 
closest to being as manual as areas of Histology.

I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for us.  
I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview.

Pam Marcum

From: joelle weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

 Well I am  mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set standards 
outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position I have now, I 
had to submit all my transcripts from high school up through masters in 
addition to  proof of my ASCP certification, IHC qualification, continuing 
education, and professional association activity. There is a lot of gray area 
out there. They seem to have not had trouble getting applicants though ( and I 
know this varies by market), there were over 8 candidates for an HT opening, 
which I thought was a pretty good turn out.


Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC

> From: pamar...@uams.edu
> To: talulahg...@gmail.com; joellewea...@hotmail.com
> CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:53:26 +
>
> Research is a different area and not controlled by CAP, CLIA and other
hospital licensing or accreditation organizations. We are bound by the rules of 
these organizations and while I agree with you to a point. We do need minimums 
for training and registration by recognized licensing bodies when patient 
tissue is being processed for histological examination. I am sure no one thinks 
of this often however; there are medical legal issues with insurance we have 
that do not apply for research. It is also clear that registration does not 
mean we don't have registered people who are not as good as they should be for 
excellent patient care.
>
> I have worked in research and while I would not e

RE: [Histonet] (no subject)

[Weems, Joyce K.]

Yes, regulations are set up that must be followed.  What I did in this 
situation, was request the slides afterward for review by "my" doctors.

Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
678-843-7831 Fax
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org



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-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of clay milks
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:38 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] (no subject)




I need a little help on a Patient’s rights question.


It is my understanding that when a patient has a procedure, the patient has the 
right to request that those specimens be examined by a laboratory of their 
choosing.  i.e. EGD, colonoscopy, etc


I am in Arkansas.


My father had a procedure yesterday at a local hospital.  I manage a pathology 
laboratory that specializes in the type of tissue that the procedure procured.  
When it was requested that the tissue be sent to my laboratory, the hospital 
staff refused to fulfill the request.  We asked multiple times for a release 
form so my father could take his tissue with him.  The administration employee 
we spoke to said there was no such thing and that patients were not allowed to 
take their specimens. One employee going so far as stating that if we wanted 
the tissue sent somewhere aside from their contracted laboratory, that the 
procedure would be canceled and my father would have to go somewhere else.   My 
father, not wanting to cause a fuss, let the issue go.


Questions:

Is it legal for a hospital to require that tissue specimens be sent to a lab 
they are contracted with?


Are there any other actions we could have taken to make our requests be honored?



This is not meant to insult the hospital, but to give an explanation of the 
situation for context in answering the questions.



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RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Marcum, Pamela A]

We have heard for years that NSH is working on changing the status to 
Laboratory Professionals and so far as I have heard nothing happening to make 
the change.  A large part of this is ASCP/all organizations 
inspecting/licensing are still looking at us as non-skilled labor that requires 
only OJT training or an AA/AS degree at best.  We have a few one year schools 
and some online however; not enough to cover the need for HTs and HTLs.  

We need ASCP/CAP/CLIA/all organizations that inspect us and tell us how to run 
the laboratories to actually understand we have changed in the last 25 years 
and no longer just cut and do H&Es.  I am not sure where to go as I have been 
bringing this up for years and see no movement.  Take the test to be an 
inspector for CAP and you will see the problem clearly.  It is 98% Clinical 
Laboratory and maybe 2% Anatomic Pathology.  If you don't know Clinical you 
will have a problem passing the test without help.

Pam Marcum

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From: Weems, Joyce K. [mailto:joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:08 AM
To: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were 
looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.


Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
678-843-7831 Fax
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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A
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Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education 
requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.



From:   "Marcum, Pamela A" 
To: "'joelle weaver'" , "'Emily Sours'"
, "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu"

Date:   09/10/2013 01:12 PM
Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu



I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good as 
they could be for what we are facing in Histology.  I keep harping on the fact 
that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will stay in this 
limbo.  The rules determining complex testing should be revisited to what is 
done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we did 30 or more years ago.  
The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it is hard to find anyone in most 
areas who can even remember doing any manual testing.  The Micro lab is the 
closest to being as manual as areas of Histology.

I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for us.  
I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview.

Pam Marcum

From: joelle weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

 Well I am  mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set standards 
outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position I have now, I 
had to submit all my transcripts from high school up through masters in 
addition to  proof of my ASCP certification, IHC qualification, continuing 
education, and professional association activity. There is a lot of gray area 
out there. They seem to have not had trouble getting applicants though ( and I 
know this varies by market), there were over 8 candidates for an HT opening, 
which I thought was a pretty good turn out.


Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC

> From: pamar...@uams.edu
> To: talulahg...@gmail.com; joellewea...@hotmail.com
> CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:53:26 +
>
> Research is a different area and not controlled by CAP, CLIA and other
hospital licensing or accreditation organizations. We are bound by the rules of 
these organizations and while I agree with you to a point. We do need minimums 
for training and registration by recognized licensing bodies when patient 
tissue is being processed for histological examination. I am sure no one thinks 
of this often however; there are medical legal issues with insurance

RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

[Weems, Joyce K.]

And the reason so many have been fighting for this for years. If a lab were 
looking for a Medical Technologist there would be no question.


Joyce Weems
Pathology Manager
678-843-7376 Phone
678-843-7831 Fax
joyce.we...@emoryhealthcare.org



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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:32 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A
Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

As long as we do not need certification, licensure and minium education 
requirements we will not be recognized as Laboratory Professionals.



From:   "Marcum, Pamela A" 
To: "'joelle weaver'" , "'Emily Sours'"
, "histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu"

Date:   09/10/2013 01:12 PM
Subject:RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu



I agree we have huge gray areas and not all histology schools are as good
as they could be for what we are facing in Histology.  I keep harping on
the fact that until we are recognized as Laboratory Professionals we will
stay in this limbo.  The rules determining complex testing should be
revisited to what is done in Histology Laboratories today and not what we
did 30 or more years ago.  The Clinical Laboratory is now so automated it
is hard to find anyone in most areas who can even remember doing any
manual testing.  The Micro lab is the closest to being as manual as areas
of Histology.

I am in a small market and finding a registered Histologist is harder for
us.  I would love to have 8 to choose from and interview.

Pam Marcum

From: joelle weaver [mailto:joellewea...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:59 PM
To: Marcum, Pamela A; 'Emily Sours'; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT

 Well I am  mostly clinical...but I think that organizations can set
standards outside and beyond what CAP,CLIA etc stipulate. For the position
I have now, I had to submit all my transcripts from high school up through
masters in addition to  proof of my ASCP certification, IHC qualification,
continuing education, and professional association activity. There is a
lot of gray area out there. They seem to have not had trouble getting
applicants though ( and I know this varies by market), there were over 8
candidates for an HT opening, which I thought was a pretty good turn out.


Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC

> From: pamar...@uams.edu
> To: talulahg...@gmail.com; joellewea...@hotmail.com
> CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
> Subject: RE: [Histonet] Unregistered HT
> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:53:26 +
>
> Research is a different area and not controlled by CAP, CLIA and other
hospital licensing or accreditation organizations. We are bound by the
rules of these organizations and while I agree with you to a point. We do
need minimums for training and registration by recognized licensing bodies
when patient tissue is being processed for histological examination. I am
sure no one thinks of this often however; there are medical legal issues
with insurance we have that do not apply for research. It is also clear
that registration does not mean we don't have registered people who are
not as good as they should be for excellent patient care.
>
> I have worked in research and while I would not ever say the hiring of
non-registered people is a problem for research. It is often a specialty
area that requires knowing more than routine Histology. I have done
plastics in research that could not ever be used in routine Histology due
to the time factors and in some cases limited use with staining
applications, especially IHC for some procedures. Many other areas in
research require more specialized training than would be used in a routine
area. I would also add some really great techs are in many phases of
research. I know MT who work in Histology and are not registered as the MT
BS, overrides the HT requirement for many institutions.
>
> Many factors must be considered for both research and routine Histology
that cover far more than just hiring registered people in certain areas of
the laboratory.
>
> Pam Marcum
>
>
> -Original Message-
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mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwe

RE: [Histonet] (no subject)

[CHRISTIE GOWAN]

Hi Clay,

Most hospitals have a tissue committee that makes decisions about surgical 
specimens. These decisions become hospital policy. Most hospitals state that 
once a specimen is removed it essentially becomes the property of the hospital. 
Release of specimens is usually after it has been accessioned and grossed in 
for pathology reveiw. There is usually a form for that type of release. The 
hospital would be at risk if they let the specimen leave without following 
hospital policy. I am not saying it is right or wrong but I can see the logic 
in it. Once the specimen has been processed through the hospitals pathology 
department then blocks and slides can be requested for 2nd opinions. Good luck 
in your search for answers.

Christie Gowan

 

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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 12:38:10 +
From: claymi...@hotmail.com
Subject: [Histonet] (no subject)

 
 
 
I need a little help on a Patient’s rights question.
 
 
It is my understanding that when a patient has a procedure, the patient has the 
right to request that those specimens be examined by a laboratory of their 
choosing.  i.e. EGD, colonoscopy, etc
 
 
I am in Arkansas.  
 
 
My father had a procedure yesterday at a local hospital.  I manage a pathology 
laboratory that specializes in the type of tissue that the procedure procured.  
When it was requested that the tissue be sent to my laboratory, the hospital 
staff refused to fulfill the request.  We asked multiple times for a release 
form so my father could take his tissue with him.  The administration employee 
we spoke to said there was no such thing and that patients were not allowed to 
take their specimens. One employee going so far as stating that if we wanted 
the tissue sent somewhere aside from their contracted laboratory, that the 
procedure would be canceled and my father would have to go somewhere else.   My 
father, not wanting to cause a fuss, let the issue go.   
 
 
Questions: 
 
Is it legal for a hospital to require that tissue specimens be sent to a lab 
they are contracted with? 
 
 
Are there any other actions we could have taken to make our requests be honored?
 
 
 
This is not meant to insult the hospital, but to give an explanation of the 
situation for context in answering the questions.

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[Histonet] (no subject)

[clay milks]

I need a little help on a Patient’s rights question.


It is my understanding that when a patient has a procedure, the patient has the 
right to request that those specimens be examined by a laboratory of their 
choosing.  i.e. EGD, colonoscopy, etc


I am in Arkansas.  


My father had a procedure yesterday at a local hospital.  I manage a pathology 
laboratory that specializes in the type of tissue that the procedure procured.  
When it was requested that the tissue be sent to my laboratory, the hospital 
staff refused to fulfill the request.  We asked multiple times for a release 
form so my father could take his tissue with him.  The administration employee 
we spoke to said there was no such thing and that patients were not allowed to 
take their specimens. One employee going so far as stating that if we wanted 
the tissue sent somewhere aside from their contracted laboratory, that the 
procedure would be canceled and my father would have to go somewhere else.   My 
father, not wanting to cause a fuss, let the issue go.   


Questions: 

Is it legal for a hospital to require that tissue specimens be sent to a lab 
they are contracted with? 


Are there any other actions we could have taken to make our requests be honored?



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[Histonet] Decloaking Chamber

[Pat Patterson]

Does anyone have a used BioCare Decloaking Chamber (early model - that is
still functioning) that they are interested is selling?

Please contact me directly at the phone/email below.

 

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RE: [Histonet] GI biopsy slides

[Elizabeth Chatfield]

Thanks for the input everyone! I can let all involved that other labs have made 
the same change (such a dirty word :0)
 
Elizabeth

>>> "Rathborne, Toni"  9/10/2013 2:50 PM >>>
We've been doing this for years. You'd be surprised with the overall savings 
(slides, frequency of changing stains, storage), and also TAT since you'll be 
able to put through more cases on your stainer.

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Chatfield
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To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] GI biopsy slides

Hi folks,

We are re-thinking how we cut our GI biopsy slides. Currently we are cutting 3 
levels with 3 sections on each slide.  Is anyone out there putting all 3 levels 
on the same slide?  We are receiving cases with a large number of samples and 
some our pathologists would like to see fewer slides.  


Thanks,
Elizabeth
Charlottetown, PE

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[Histonet] CLIA requirements

[Jon Hannasch]

Hello, I have two questions. 1.) is there a CLIA email newsletter I can sign up 
for? And 2.) Does CLIA require a laboratory to have at least 1 certified 
Histotechnician? I work in a small urology histology lab where there are 2 
histotechs (1 certified and 1 uncertified.) This lab is located in AZ. One of 
the histotechs went to school to be a histotech but never got certified and the 
other went to school and is certified (HT). The histotechs do the 
accessioning/grossing and general histotech duties. Because our lab is CLIA 
certified and soon to be CAP certified I was wondering if it was necessary to 
have at least 1 certified tech working there or if we can get by with just the 
uncertified tech who has been doing the job for about 10 years but only went to 
college and is uncertified. Thanks in advanced for the information!
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