RE: [Histonet] HE stain uneven

2011-02-14 Thread Molinari, Betsy
I had this problem awhile back. Did you change your solvent for 
deparaffinization? I changed from xylene to another solvent and realized I had 
to extend the time my slides were in it. 
Betsy Molinari HT(ASCP)
Texas Heart Institue
Cardiovascular Pathology
1101 Bates Street
Houston, TX 77030
832-355-6524 (lab)
832-355-6812 (fax)

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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Madeline Gi
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 12:44 PM
To: Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] HE stain uneven

Hello everyone in the histology world, I have a problem with my HE stain this 
just started and I am not sure why.  Can someone tell me how does a routine HE 
stain unevenly?  I am currently using Gill III I run it down as usual this 
routine worked well from months and now it is uneven any suggestion would be 
greatly appreciated….  


Madeline Rotger Milanese H.T. BSHCS
500 New Hempstead Rd.
New City N.Y. 10965
845-362-3200 Ext 129
madelin...@yahoo.com


  
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RE: [Histonet] HE stain uneven

2011-02-11 Thread Mighnon Lashus
Have you checked the temperature of the heater used to dry you slides?  We ran 
into this problem a couple of years ago and the temp of the oven was too high.

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Subject: [Histonet] HE stain uneven

Hello everyone in the histology world, I have a problem with my HE stain this 
just started and I am not sure why.  Can someone tell me how does a routine HE 
stain unevenly?  I am currently using Gill III I run it down as usual this 
routine worked well from months and now it is uneven any suggestion would be 
greatly appreciated….


Madeline Rotger Milanese H.T. BSHCS
500 New Hempstead Rd.
New City N.Y. 10965
845-362-3200 Ext 129
madelin...@yahoo.com



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Re: [Histonet] HE stain uneven

2011-02-11 Thread Rene J Buesa
Check your dewaxing → hydrating protocol and change reagents frequently.
René J.

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Subject: [Histonet] HE stain uneven
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Hello everyone in the histology world, I have a problem with my HE stain this 
just started and I am not sure why.  Can someone tell me how does a routine HE 
stain unevenly?  I am currently using Gill III I run it down as usual this 
routine worked well from months and now it is uneven any suggestion would be 
greatly appreciated….  


Madeline Rotger Milanese H.T. BSHCS
500 New Hempstead Rd.
New City N.Y. 10965
845-362-3200 Ext 129
madelin...@yahoo.com



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RE: [Histonet] HE Stain

2011-01-20 Thread Rathborne, Toni
Our tap water consistently reads 6.0, and has for years. We did try turning off 
the tap when this first began, and manually rinsing with distilled water, but 
saw no difference. I will try adding the HCl today with a few test slides. Will 
let you know how this works out. Thanks for the suggestions.

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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On Behalf Of WILLIAM
DESALVO
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:26 AM
To: jkier...@uwo.ca; allison_sc...@hchd.tmc.edu
Cc: histonet
Subject: RE: [Histonet] HE Stain



I agree that the pH might be high, but I also suggest you check your water 
rinse on the stainer. If you are using tap water, there can be a significant 
fluctuation in the quality of the water and the amount of additives and 
impurities present at any one time can also contribute to the mucin not being 
rinsed away and staining. If you are using tap water, changing to distilled or 
dionized water might help to improve the consistency of stain results. Good luck

William DeSalvo, B.S., HTL(ASCP)





 From: jkier...@uwo.ca
 To: allison_sc...@hchd.tmc.edu
 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 16:58:57 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Histonet] HE Stain
 CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 
 Sounds as if the pH of your haemalum is too high. Try adding a little HCl to 
 bring it down to slightly above 2. Check a few slides without eosin 
 counterstaining. Nuclei should be blue with very little else stained.
  
 John Kiernan
 Anatomy  Cell Biology
 University of Western Ontario
 London, Canada
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 - Original Message -
 From: Scott, Allison D allison_sc...@hchd.tmc.edu
 Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 13:01
 Subject: [Histonet] HE Stain
 To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 
  Hello to all in histoland and Happy New Year.  We are 
  having issues with
  our HE stain.  The nuclei are staining very blue to purple 
  and the
  mucin is staining blue to purple-blue.  It is difficult to 
  see the
  nuclear detail.  The mucin is obscuring things.  We 
  have not changed our
  process for staining or processing.  The funny thing is 
  that it is only
  in the Biopsy cases, and it is every few slides.  The 
  surgical  cases
  are all right.  We checked the alcohol and xylene for 
  water, and there
  is not any.  My tech changed out the stain and we are 
  staining a new
  batch of slides.  If anyone has any idea what is wrong, any 
  help would
  be greatly appreciated.  I have gone over our processes and 
  nothing has
  changed.  The reagents are the same, the staining times are 
  the same,
  and the processing times are the same.  We are using the 
  Shandon Gemini
  stainer and VIP processor.
  
  Allison Scott HT(ASCP)
  Histology Supervisor
  LBJ Hospital
  Houston, Texas
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Re: [Histonet] HE Stain

2011-01-20 Thread koellingr
Allison/Toni, 
Thought I'd throw this out. Maybe nonsense. If you have such acidic tap water, 
could there be heavy metals lead, magnesium and others (acid tap water does 
that) in your tap water rinse from being leached out upstream. William DeSalvo 
talked about the quality of tap water fluctuating. Very true. And the metals 
from pipes or solder , leached into water by pH6.0, turning a normal 
hematoxylin into something like a Weigerts hematoxylin. A kind of 
post-mordanting that I think some call afterchroming. Although if you tried 
distilled or deionized water with same results, that data wouldn't fit with 
this problem. And even if it just started happening, has someone recently 
worked on pipes upsteam of where you are and there is (are) new metals being 
leached into your hematoxylin rinse? pH 6 is pretty acidic water. 


RayKoelling 
PhenoPath Labs 
Seattle, WA 

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From: Toni Rathborne trathbo...@somerset-healthcare.com 
To: WILLIAM DESALVO wdesalvo@hotmail.com, jkier...@uwo.ca, allison 
scott allison_sc...@hchd.tmc.edu 
Cc: histonet histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 6:17:46 AM 
Subject: RE: [Histonet] HE Stain 

Our tap water consistently reads 6.0, and has for years. We did try turning off 
the tap when this first began, and manually rinsing with distilled water, but 
saw no difference. I will try adding the HCl today with a few test slides. Will 
let you know how this works out. Thanks for the suggestions. 

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DESALVO 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:26 AM 
To: jkier...@uwo.ca; allison_sc...@hchd.tmc.edu 
Cc: histonet 
Subject: RE: [Histonet] HE Stain 



I agree that the pH might be high, but I also suggest you check your water 
rinse on the stainer. If you are using tap water, there can be a significant 
fluctuation in the quality of the water and the amount of additives and 
impurities present at any one time can also contribute to the mucin not being 
rinsed away and staining. If you are using tap water, changing to distilled or 
dionized water might help to improve the consistency of stain results. Good 
luck 

William DeSalvo, B.S., HTL(ASCP) 





 From: jkier...@uwo.ca 
 To: allison_sc...@hchd.tmc.edu 
 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 16:58:57 -0500 
 Subject: Re: [Histonet] HE Stain 
 CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
 
 Sounds as if the pH of your haemalum is too high. Try adding a little HCl to 
 bring it down to slightly above 2. Check a few slides without eosin 
 counterstaining. Nuclei should be blue with very little else stained. 
 
 John Kiernan 
 Anatomy  Cell Biology 
 University of Western Ontario 
 London, Canada 
 = = = 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott, Allison D allison_sc...@hchd.tmc.edu 
 Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 13:01 
 Subject: [Histonet] HE Stain 
 To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
 
  Hello to all in histoland and Happy New Year. We are 
  having issues with 
  our HE stain. The nuclei are staining very blue to purple 
  and the 
  mucin is staining blue to purple-blue. It is difficult to 
  see the 
  nuclear detail. The mucin is obscuring things. We 
  have not changed our 
  process for staining or processing. The funny thing is 
  that it is only 
  in the Biopsy cases, and it is every few slides. The 
  surgical cases 
  are all right. We checked the alcohol and xylene for 
  water, and there 
  is not any. My tech changed out the stain and we are 
  staining a new 
  batch of slides. If anyone has any idea what is wrong, any 
  help would 
  be greatly appreciated. I have gone over our processes and 
  nothing has 
  changed. The reagents are the same, the staining times are 
  the same, 
  and the processing times are the same. We are using the 
  Shandon Gemini 
  stainer and VIP processor. 
  
  Allison Scott HT(ASCP) 
  Histology Supervisor 
  LBJ Hospital 
  Houston, Texas 
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RE: [Histonet] HE Stain

2011-01-19 Thread Mike Pence
More often than I would like to admit when I have seen this type of
problem it has been that there is a solution out of place on the
processor or the stainer. I would start there.
Mike

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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Scott,
Allison D
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 11:59 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] HE Stain


Hello to all in histoland and Happy New Year.  We are having issues with
our HE stain.  The nuclei are staining very blue to purple and the
mucin is staining blue to purple-blue.  It is difficult to see the
nuclear detail.  The mucin is obscuring things.  We have not changed our
process for staining or processing.  The funny thing is that it is only
in the Biopsy cases, and it is every few slides.  The surgical  cases
are all right.  We checked the alcohol and xylene for water, and there
is not any.  My tech changed out the stain and we are staining a new
batch of slides.  If anyone has any idea what is wrong, any help would
be greatly appreciated.  I have gone over our processes and nothing has
changed.  The reagents are the same, the staining times are the same,
and the processing times are the same.  We are using the Shandon Gemini
stainer and VIP processor.

Allison Scott HT(ASCP)
Histology Supervisor
LBJ Hospital
Houston, Texas
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RE: [Histonet] HE Stain

2011-01-19 Thread Rathborne, Toni
We have been having the same problem recently. We have tried extending the 
washes after the hematoxylin, agitation and adding an additional wash. Nothing 
has helped. It is not every slide as you say, but random ones. We are using 
Gill 3 and eosin from Stat Lab. We have changed the stainer and processor a 
number of times since this began.

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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Mike
Pence
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:10 PM
To: Scott, Allison D; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] HE Stain


More often than I would like to admit when I have seen this type of
problem it has been that there is a solution out of place on the
processor or the stainer. I would start there.
Mike

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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Scott,
Allison D
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 11:59 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] HE Stain


Hello to all in histoland and Happy New Year.  We are having issues with
our HE stain.  The nuclei are staining very blue to purple and the
mucin is staining blue to purple-blue.  It is difficult to see the
nuclear detail.  The mucin is obscuring things.  We have not changed our
process for staining or processing.  The funny thing is that it is only
in the Biopsy cases, and it is every few slides.  The surgical  cases
are all right.  We checked the alcohol and xylene for water, and there
is not any.  My tech changed out the stain and we are staining a new
batch of slides.  If anyone has any idea what is wrong, any help would
be greatly appreciated.  I have gone over our processes and nothing has
changed.  The reagents are the same, the staining times are the same,
and the processing times are the same.  We are using the Shandon Gemini
stainer and VIP processor.

Allison Scott HT(ASCP)
Histology Supervisor
LBJ Hospital
Houston, Texas
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Re: [Histonet] HE Stain

2011-01-19 Thread John Kiernan
Sounds as if the pH of your haemalum is too high. Try adding a little HCl to 
bring it down to slightly above 2. Check a few slides without eosin 
counterstaining. Nuclei should be blue with very little else stained.
 
John Kiernan
Anatomy  Cell Biology
University of Western Ontario
London, Canada
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From: Scott, Allison D allison_sc...@hchd.tmc.edu
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 13:01
Subject: [Histonet] HE Stain
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu

 Hello to all in histoland and Happy New Year.  We are 
 having issues with
 our HE stain.  The nuclei are staining very blue to purple 
 and the
 mucin is staining blue to purple-blue.  It is difficult to 
 see the
 nuclear detail.  The mucin is obscuring things.  We 
 have not changed our
 process for staining or processing.  The funny thing is 
 that it is only
 in the Biopsy cases, and it is every few slides.  The 
 surgical  cases
 are all right.  We checked the alcohol and xylene for 
 water, and there
 is not any.  My tech changed out the stain and we are 
 staining a new
 batch of slides.  If anyone has any idea what is wrong, any 
 help would
 be greatly appreciated.  I have gone over our processes and 
 nothing has
 changed.  The reagents are the same, the staining times are 
 the same,
 and the processing times are the same.  We are using the 
 Shandon Gemini
 stainer and VIP processor.
 
 Allison Scott HT(ASCP)
 Histology Supervisor
 LBJ Hospital
 Houston, Texas
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RE: [Histonet] HE Stain

2011-01-19 Thread Debra Siena
Hi Toni,

I would love to speak with you about the issues that you are having, could you 
give me a call?   I am traveling tomorrow but will be back in the office on 
Friday.  thanks

Debbie Siena
Technical Manager | StatLab Medical Products
Direct: 972-436-1010  x229
800-442-3573 ext 229


 

 


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Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:35 PM
To: Mike Pence; Scott, Allison D; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] HE Stain

We have been having the same problem recently. We have tried extending the 
washes after the hematoxylin, agitation and adding an additional wash. Nothing 
has helped. It is not every slide as you say, but random ones. We are using 
Gill 3 and eosin from Stat Lab. We have changed the stainer and processor a 
number of times since this began.

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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Mike
Pence
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:10 PM
To: Scott, Allison D; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] HE Stain


More often than I would like to admit when I have seen this type of
problem it has been that there is a solution out of place on the
processor or the stainer. I would start there.
Mike

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Scott,
Allison D
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 11:59 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] HE Stain


Hello to all in histoland and Happy New Year.  We are having issues with
our HE stain.  The nuclei are staining very blue to purple and the
mucin is staining blue to purple-blue.  It is difficult to see the
nuclear detail.  The mucin is obscuring things.  We have not changed our
process for staining or processing.  The funny thing is that it is only
in the Biopsy cases, and it is every few slides.  The surgical  cases
are all right.  We checked the alcohol and xylene for water, and there
is not any.  My tech changed out the stain and we are staining a new
batch of slides.  If anyone has any idea what is wrong, any help would
be greatly appreciated.  I have gone over our processes and nothing has
changed.  The reagents are the same, the staining times are the same,
and the processing times are the same.  We are using the Shandon Gemini
stainer and VIP processor.

Allison Scott HT(ASCP)
Histology Supervisor
LBJ Hospital
Houston, Texas
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RE: [Histonet] HE Stain

2011-01-19 Thread WILLIAM DESALVO

I agree that the pH might be high, but I also suggest you check your water 
rinse on the stainer. If you are using tap water, there can be a significant 
fluctuation in the quality of the water and the amount of additives and 
impurities present at any one time can also contribute to the mucin not being 
rinsed away and staining. If you are using tap water, changing to distilled or 
dionized water might help to improve the consistency of stain results. Good luck

William DeSalvo, B.S., HTL(ASCP)





 From: jkier...@uwo.ca
 To: allison_sc...@hchd.tmc.edu
 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 16:58:57 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Histonet] HE Stain
 CC: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 
 Sounds as if the pH of your haemalum is too high. Try adding a little HCl to 
 bring it down to slightly above 2. Check a few slides without eosin 
 counterstaining. Nuclei should be blue with very little else stained.
  
 John Kiernan
 Anatomy  Cell Biology
 University of Western Ontario
 London, Canada
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 - Original Message -
 From: Scott, Allison D allison_sc...@hchd.tmc.edu
 Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 13:01
 Subject: [Histonet] HE Stain
 To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 
  Hello to all in histoland and Happy New Year.  We are 
  having issues with
  our HE stain.  The nuclei are staining very blue to purple 
  and the
  mucin is staining blue to purple-blue.  It is difficult to 
  see the
  nuclear detail.  The mucin is obscuring things.  We 
  have not changed our
  process for staining or processing.  The funny thing is 
  that it is only
  in the Biopsy cases, and it is every few slides.  The 
  surgical  cases
  are all right.  We checked the alcohol and xylene for 
  water, and there
  is not any.  My tech changed out the stain and we are 
  staining a new
  batch of slides.  If anyone has any idea what is wrong, any 
  help would
  be greatly appreciated.  I have gone over our processes and 
  nothing has
  changed.  The reagents are the same, the staining times are 
  the same,
  and the processing times are the same.  We are using the 
  Shandon Gemini
  stainer and VIP processor.
  
  Allison Scott HT(ASCP)
  Histology Supervisor
  LBJ Hospital
  Houston, Texas
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