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Isu telah dijawab dlm laman reformasi...
ini jwbnye...
http://members.tripod.com/mahazalimtwo/110500mag.html
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> Assalamualaikum wbt,
>
> Samad ("Disturbing' viewpoint of Suhakam member",
> May
> 3) seems perplexed why enlightened and progressive
> Muslims like Zainah Anwar and A. Farish Noor do not
> support PAS, while non-Muslims like Singh, Mary Tan
> and S. Jayasankaran welcome PAS as an alternative to
> Barisan Nasional.
>
> Let me enlighten Samad. As a progressive Muslim
> woman,
> I will give 12 reasons why I pray to God five times
> a
> day that PAS will never rule this country:
>
> 1. I worry that my Chinese sister-in-law whose
> marriage to my brother is on the rocks will
> eventually
> divorce him and go back to the bosom of her family
> and
> leave Islam. Under the PAS hudud law she will be
> deemed an apostate and sentenced to death. She's a
> wonderful friend and mother whose big mistake was to
> marry my spoilt and selfish brother. I cannot, in
> all
> conscience, stand by and watch the mother of my
> beautiful nieces and nephew be sentenced to death
> for
> choosing to go back to her original faith and
> support
> system after suffering for years at the hands of a
> bad
> husband.
>
> 2. I worry that should my daughter or nieces or I be
> raped and we are unable to produce four pious males
> who witnessed the penetration, we will be charged
> and
> found guilty for illicit sex under the PAS hudud
> law.
> Reports from Pakistan point out that thousands of
> Pakistani women in jail are rape
> victims who have been found guilty for zina because
> they were unable to produce the four male witnesses
> required to prove rape.
>
> And there are many more thousands of women who do
> not
> report rape, knowing that they would be charged for
> zina because of their inability to prove rape
> according to the requirements of the hudud law. If
> the
> Syariah Courts in Malaysia cannot even implement the
> Islamic Family Law according to the substance and
> spirit of the law, what hope do I have that the same
> religious authorities would be able to implement any
> other Islamic law to ensure that justice is done?
>
> 3. I worry that should I find the courage to
> publicly
> stand up and speak out against the PAS hudud law, I
> will be condemned as an apostate and be sentenced to
> death as pronounced by Ustaz Hadi Awang and many
> other
> ulama.
>
> 4. I worry that the Islamic Family Law which grants
> women the right to divorce, and to a share of the
> matrimonial property, and which provides for strict
> conditions for polygamy (no matter how flawed the
> implementation) will be repealed or amended to
> conform
> to the medieval PAS view of women as nothing more
> than
> chattels, sex objects and evil temptresses who
> should
> be kept hidden and silenced.
>
> 5. I worry that the Domestic Violence Act which
> makes
> it a crime for a husband to beat his wife will be
> deemed unIslamic because of the orthodox belief that
> a
> Muslim man has a right to beat his wife.
>
> 6. I worry that Islam will be used to silence the
> women's groups that now champion the rights of women
> and put pressure on the government to amend laws and
> policies that discriminate against women.
>
> 7. I worry that the films I now see, the concerts,
> dances and plays I attend will all be deemed
> unIslamic
> and a source of maksiat and will be banned under a
> PAS
> government. Or that only non-Muslims can attend such
> events, while I have to listen only to Raihan.
>
> 8. I worry that my best friend who is a dancer will
> no
> longer be able to perform on stage because she is a
> Muslim woman, just as her friends in Kelantan have
> lost that right to partake in their love for the
> Malay
> performing arts.
>
> 9. I worry that I will not be able to move about
> freely and wear whatever clothes I want without a
> moral vigilante force stopping me in the streets and
> poke and beat me with a stick for not covering my
> hair
> and my arms as the practice in Iran over the past 20
> years under mullah
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It is more like a view from an individual who is a non-moslem...
who sees only the negative side (as potrayed by western medias),
who only take the negative examples which not even reflect a true Islamic
law,
one who thinks his/her ideas and opinion is better than Allah's knowledge...
>From #2. Kenapa beliau ambil contoh dari Pakistan?
Adakah Pakistani negara Islam yang lengkap sempurna?
Kenapa tidak ambil contoh zaman para sahabat?
>From #5. Orthodox mana yang beliau ambil contoh dimana suami boleh memukul
isteri sesuka hati?
>From #7... Well, I guess we can tell what kind of Moslem this person is.
-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, 16 May, 2000 8:23 AM
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Assalamualaikum wbt,
Samad ("'Disturbing' viewpoint of Suhakam member", May
3) seems perplexed why enlightened and progressive
Muslims like Zainah Anwar and A. Farish Noor do not
support PAS, while non-Muslims like Singh, Mary Tan
and S. Jayasankaran welcome PAS as an alternative to
Barisan Nasional.
Let me enlighten Samad. As a progressive Muslim woman,
I will give 12 reasons why I pray to God five times a
day that PAS will never rule this country:
1. I worry that my Chinese sister-in-law whose
marriage to my brother is on the rocks will eventually
divorce him and go back to the bosom of her family and
leave Islam. Under the PAS hudud law she will be
deemed an apostate and sentenced to death. She's a
wonderful friend and mother whose big mistake was to
marry my spoilt and selfish brother. I cannot, in all
conscience, stand by and watch the mother of my
beautiful nieces and nephew be sentenced to death for
choosing to go back to her original faith and support
system after suffering for years at the hands of a bad
husband.
2. I worry that should my daughter or nieces or I be
raped and we are unable to produce four pious males
who witnessed the penetration, we will be charged and
found guilty for illicit sex under the PAS hudud law.
Reports from Pakistan point out that thousands of
Pakistani women in jail are rape
victims who have been found guilty for zina because
they were unable to produce the four male witnesses
required to prove rape.
And there are many more thousands of women who do not
report rape, knowing that they would be charged for
zina because of their inability to prove rape
according to the requirements of the hudud law. If the
Syariah Courts in Malaysia cannot even implement the
Islamic Family Law according to the substance and
spirit of the law, what hope do I have that the same
religious authorities would be able to implement any
other Islamic law to ensure that justice is done?
3. I worry that should I find the courage to publicly
stand up and speak out against the PAS hudud law, I
will be condemned as an apostate and be sentenced to
death as pronounced by Ustaz Hadi Awang and many other
ulama.
4. I worry that the Islamic Family Law which grants
women the right to divorce, and to a share of the
matrimonial property, and which provides for strict
conditions for polygamy (no matter how flawed the
implementation) will be repealed or amended to conform
to the medieval PAS view of women as nothing more than
chattels, sex objects and evil temptresses who should
be kept hidden and silenced.
5. I worry that the Domestic Violence Act which makes
it a crime for a husband to beat his wife will be
deemed unIslamic because of the orthodox belief that a
Muslim man has a right to beat his wife.
6. I worry that Islam will be used to silence the
women's groups that now champion the rights of women
and put pressure on the government to amend laws and
policies that discriminate against women.
7. I worry that the films I now see, the concerts,
dances and plays I attend will all be deemed unIslamic
and a source of maksiat and will be banned under a PAS
government. Or that only non-Muslims can attend such
events, while I have to listen only to Raihan.
8. I worry that my best friend who is a dancer will no
longer be able to perform on stage because she
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Assalamualaikum
Rasa sungguh sungguh terpanggil nak jawab 12 sebab yang Pn Timah kemukakan
tapi selepas di belek belek dan dikaji kaji dan diteropong dan di studi rasa
rasa buat perabis beras dan perabis karan saja. Mula mula Pn Fatty sudah
"bias" dan ada "preconceived notion" berkenaaan Islam. Jadi bila otak dah
tertutup, hati,mata, telinga, muka semua dah tutup dan berfikiran sempit dan
semput..kita cerita dan habaq lagu mana pun dia tak mau dengar.
Lagi pulak kalu kita tengok puak puak UMNO yang memang berjiwa UMNO jenis hok
berkarat piau ..kemarin dulu, besok dan sampai kiamat ni pun tak argue dan
bagi sebab musabab yang macam ni punya teruk sebab nak tolak Islam.
Malah sebab musabab yang Pn Fatty ni berikan nampak lebih jahil dan lebih
kuno daripada pendapat sahabat sahabat dan jiran kita yang bukan Islam. Saya
tak nak lah kata Pn Fatty ni munafik atau fasik tapi kalu dok belek belek dia
punya sebab...apek dan asoo Cina sebelah rumah pun tak lah sejahil itu.
Syok jugak tengok dia tulis "I worryi worry" tarjamahan..saya takut atau
bimbang. "Fear" ni kata orang barat yang nampak gaya Pn Fatty puja tu..adalah
punca segala kemunduran dan kebodohan. Maka sebab fear satu benda pun tak
jadi.
Itu sebab walau pun dah lama merdeka, kita dok pikiaq macam orang British,
sebab fear atau takuit kepada kemajuan dan perubahan.
Akhir kata, kemarin dulu saja Dr M bertitah, suku sakat UMNO kena pikiaq macam
pembangkang. Pembangkang paling besar ialah PAS. Sebab apa Dr M bersabda lagu
tu ?? Ini adalah kerana dalam pembangkang tak pernah ada rasa takut, bimbang,
worry dan fear. Falsafah "No Fear" ini amat bagus untuk pembangkang yang Dr M
pun nak tiru dan contohi. Jadi kalu lah ada orang macam Pn Fatty ni yang dok
tulis " i worry " tak berhenti henti, Dr M pun tak mau kat dia. Malah negara
ni yang Pn Fatty panggil "only home i know" pun tak mau kat dia. Kita bimbang
wabak "IWORRY" akan tersebar merata rata tempat. Kita maju, terkedepan dan
merdeka sebab kita angkat bontot dan melawan, menendang dan menerajang rasa
worry, bimbang fear dan takut. Kita tak akan berdukacita kalu Pn Fatty nak
pindah ke Myammar yang rakyat dia menjadikan rasa bimbang dan takut sebagai
cara hidup. Malaysia sungguh sungguh tak perlu orang macam Fatimah Ahmad dari
Kelana Jaya.
...and for this I offer no apologies.
Wassalam
Adam
p/s: so Pn Fatty pray pray five times daily ahi kesian kat u lorr
>= Original Message From killer fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
>
>Let me enlighten Samad. As a progressive Muslim woman,
>I will give 12 reasons why I pray to God five times a
>day that PAS will never rule this country:
>
>1. I worry that my Chinese sister-in-law whose
>marriage to my brother is on the rocks will eventually
>divorce him and go back to the bosom of her family and
>leave Islam. Under the PAS hudud law she will be
>deemed an apostate and sentenced to death. She's a
>wonderful friend and mother whose big mistake was to
>marry my spoilt and selfish brother. I cannot, in all
>conscience, stand by and watch the mother of my
>beautiful nieces and nephew be sentenced to death for
>choosing to go back to her original faith and support
>system after suffering for years at the hands of a bad
>husband.
>
>2. I worry that should my daughter or nieces or I be
>raped and we are unable to produce four pious males
>who witnessed the penetration, we will be charged and
>found guilty for illicit sex under the PAS hudud law.
>Reports from Pakistan point out that thousands of
>Pakistani women in jail are rape
>victims who have been found guilty for zina because
>they were unable to produce the four male witnesses
>required to prove rape.
>
>And there are many more thousands of women who do not
>report rape, knowing that they would be charged for
>zina because of their inability to prove rape
>according to the requirements of the hudud law. If the
>Syariah Courts in Malaysia cannot even implement the
>Islamic Family Law according to the substance and
>spirit of the law, what hope do I have that the same
>religious authorities would be able to implement any
>other Islamic law to ensure that justice is done?
>
>3. I worry that should I find the courage to publicly
>stand up and speak out against the PAS hudud law, I
>will be condemned as an apostate and be sentenced to
>death as pronounced by Ustaz Hadi Awang and many other
>ulama.
>
>4. I worry that the Islamic Family Law which grants
>women the right to divorce, and to a share of the
>matrimonial property, and which provides for strict
>con
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Wa'alaikumussalam wbt,
Ni saja-saja nak menyampuk...
since sdr. Adam ada dok highlight-kan penyakit "IWORRY" yang Pn. Timah dok
timbul-timbulkan, tak terpikir ke beliau yang "Worry" yang sepatutnya. Tak
"worry" atau takut ke beliau pada perintah, larangan dan kemurkaan Allah
SWT???
Bukankah "Worry" pada perintah/larangan/kemurkaan Allah SWT adalah
sepatutnya the ultimate "WORRY"?
Yang herannya dia dok lebih "worry" kan orang kapiaq lebih daripada
"worry"kan Allah tu dia tak terpikir ke?
Wassalam.
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Assalamualaikum
Rasa sungguh sungguh terpanggil nak jawab 12 sebab yang Pn Timah kemukakan
tapi selepas di belek belek dan dikaji kaji dan diteropong dan di studi rasa
rasa buat perabis beras dan perabis karan saja. Mula mula Pn Fatty sudah
"bias" dan ada "preconceived notion" berkenaaan Islam. Jadi bila otak dah
tertutup, hati,mata, telinga, muka semua dah tutup dan berfikiran sempit dan
semput..kita cerita dan habaq lagu mana pun dia tak mau dengar.
Lagi pulak kalu kita tengok puak puak UMNO yang memang berjiwa UMNO jenis
hok
berkarat piau ..kemarin dulu, besok dan sampai kiamat ni pun tak argue dan
bagi sebab musabab yang macam ni punya teruk sebab nak tolak Islam.
Malah sebab musabab yang Pn Fatty ni berikan nampak lebih jahil dan lebih
kuno daripada pendapat sahabat sahabat dan jiran kita yang bukan Islam. Saya
tak nak lah kata Pn Fatty ni munafik atau fasik tapi kalu dok belek belek
dia
punya sebab...apek dan asoo Cina sebelah rumah pun tak lah sejahil itu.
Syok jugak tengok dia tulis "I worryi worry" tarjamahan..saya takut atau
bimbang. "Fear" ni kata orang barat yang nampak gaya Pn Fatty puja
tu..adalah
punca segala kemunduran dan kebodohan. Maka sebab fear satu benda pun tak
jadi.
Itu sebab walau pun dah lama merdeka, kita dok pikiaq macam orang British,
sebab fear atau takuit kepada kemajuan dan perubahan.
Akhir kata, kemarin dulu saja Dr M bertitah, suku sakat UMNO kena pikiaq
macam
pembangkang. Pembangkang paling besar ialah PAS. Sebab apa Dr M bersabda
lagu
tu ?? Ini adalah kerana dalam pembangkang tak pernah ada rasa takut,
bimbang,
worry dan fear. Falsafah "No Fear" ini amat bagus untuk pembangkang yang Dr
M
pun nak tiru dan contohi. Jadi kalu lah ada orang macam Pn Fatty ni yang dok
tulis " i worry " tak berhenti henti, Dr M pun tak mau kat dia. Malah negara
ni yang Pn Fatty panggil "only home i know" pun tak mau kat dia. Kita
bimbang
wabak "IWORRY" akan tersebar merata rata tempat. Kita maju, terkedepan dan
merdeka sebab kita angkat bontot dan melawan, menendang dan menerajang rasa
worry, bimbang fear dan takut. Kita tak akan berdukacita kalu Pn Fatty nak
pindah ke Myammar yang rakyat dia menjadikan rasa bimbang dan takut sebagai
cara hidup. Malaysia sungguh sungguh tak perlu orang macam Fatimah Ahmad
dari
Kelana Jaya.
...and for this I offer no apologies.
Wassalam
Adam
p/s: so Pn Fatty pray pray five times daily ahi kesian kat u lorr
>= Original Message From killer fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
>
>Let me enlighten Samad. As a progressive Muslim woman,
>I will give 12 reasons why I pray to God five times a
>day that PAS will never rule this country:
>
>1. I worry that my Chinese sister-in-law whose
>marriage to my brother is on the rocks will eventually
>divorce him and go back to the bosom of her family and
>leave Islam. Under the PAS hudud law she will be
>deemed an apostate and sentenced to death. She's a
>wonderful friend and mother whose big mistake was to
>marry my spoilt and selfish brother. I cannot, in all
>conscience, stand by and watch the mother of my
>beautiful nieces and nephew be sentenced to death for
>choosing to go back to her original faith and support
>system after s
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i pun worry.
kalu pas perentah, depa ni slow macam abu kayap.
ape ke tidaknya, 9 keluarga memali pun depa tak
terbela, ini kan pula seluruh rakyat mesia yg 20 jota
i pray 20 X so that the real Abu Sayaf will rule
mesia.
tentu kak fatty kurus cengkeding cirit kalu itu Abu
Sayaf perentah noh?
no fear,
Dzun_Nun Al-Malay_C
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> Assalamualaikum
>
> Rasa sungguh sungguh terpanggil nak jawab 12 sebab
> yang Pn Timah kemukakan
> tapi selepas di belek belek dan dikaji kaji dan
> diteropong dan di studi rasa
> rasa buat perabis beras dan perabis karan saja. Mula
> mula Pn Fatty sudah
> "bias" dan ada "preconceived notion" berkenaaan
> Islam. Jadi bila otak dah
> tertutup, hati,mata, telinga, muka semua dah tutup
> dan berfikiran sempit dan
> semput..kita cerita dan habaq lagu mana pun dia tak
> mau dengar.
>
> Lagi pulak kalu kita tengok puak puak UMNO yang
> memang berjiwa UMNO jenis hok
> berkarat piau ..kemarin dulu, besok dan sampai
> kiamat ni pun tak argue dan
> bagi sebab musabab yang macam ni punya teruk sebab
> nak tolak Islam.
>
> Malah sebab musabab yang Pn Fatty ni berikan nampak
> lebih jahil dan lebih
> kuno daripada pendapat sahabat sahabat dan jiran
> kita yang bukan Islam. Saya
> tak nak lah kata Pn Fatty ni munafik atau fasik tapi
> kalu dok belek belek dia
> punya sebab...apek dan asoo Cina sebelah rumah pun
> tak lah sejahil itu.
>
> Syok jugak tengok dia tulis "I worryi worry"
> tarjamahan..saya takut atau
> bimbang. "Fear" ni kata orang barat yang nampak gaya
> Pn Fatty puja tu..adalah
> punca segala kemunduran dan kebodohan. Maka sebab
> fear satu benda pun tak
> jadi.
> Itu sebab walau pun dah lama merdeka, kita dok
> pikiaq macam orang British,
> sebab fear atau takuit kepada kemajuan dan
> perubahan.
>
> Akhir kata, kemarin dulu saja Dr M bertitah, suku
> sakat UMNO kena pikiaq macam
> pembangkang. Pembangkang paling besar ialah PAS.
> Sebab apa Dr M bersabda lagu
> tu ?? Ini adalah kerana dalam pembangkang tak pernah
> ada rasa takut, bimbang,
> worry dan fear. Falsafah "No Fear" ini amat bagus
> untuk pembangkang yang Dr M
> pun nak tiru dan contohi. Jadi kalu lah ada orang
> macam Pn Fatty ni yang dok
> tulis " i worry " tak berhenti henti, Dr M pun tak
> mau kat dia. Malah negara
> ni yang Pn Fatty panggil "only home i know" pun tak
> mau kat dia. Kita bimbang
> wabak "IWORRY" akan tersebar merata rata tempat.
> Kita maju, terkedepan dan
> merdeka sebab kita angkat bontot dan melawan,
> menendang dan menerajang rasa
> worry, bimbang fear dan takut. Kita tak akan
> berdukacita kalu Pn Fatty nak
> pindah ke Myammar yang rakyat dia menjadikan rasa
> bimbang dan takut sebagai
> cara hidup. Malaysia sungguh sungguh tak perlu orang
> macam Fatimah Ahmad dari
> Kelana Jaya.
>
> and for this I offer no apologies.
>
> Wassalam
>
> Adam
>
> p/s: so Pn Fatty pray pray five times daily ahi
> kesian kat u lorr
>
>
> >= Original Message From killer fish
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
>
> >
> >Let me enlighten Samad. As a progressive Muslim
> woman,
> >I will give 12 reasons why I pray to God five times
> a
> >day that PAS will never rule this country:
> >
> >1. I worry that my Chinese sister-in-law whose
> >marriage to my brother is on the rocks will
> eventually
> >divorce him and go back to the bosom of her family
> and
> >leave Islam. Under the PAS hudud law she will be
> >deemed an apostate and sentenced to death. She's a
> >wonderful friend and mother whose big mistake was
> to
> >marry my spoilt and selfish brother. I cannot, in
> all
> >conscience, stand by and watch the mother of my
> >beautiful nieces and nephew be sentenced to death
> for
> >choosing to go back to her original faith and
> support
> >system after suffering for years at the hands of a
> bad
> >husband.
> >
> >2. I worry that should my daughter or nieces or I
> be
> >raped and we are unable to produce four pious males
> >who witnessed the penetration, we will be charged
> and
> >found guilty for illicit sex under the PAS hudud
> law.
> >Reports from Pakistan point ou
RE: H-Net* "Twelve good reasons I don't support PAS"
Title: RE: H-Net* "Twelve good reasons I don't support PAS"
My conclusion of these two hamba Allah is simple (Dzun Nun and Fatty)
Fatty ---> Kurang Keilmuan especially Islamic Knowledge. I don't blame
her of her thinking if she really lack of Islamic teachings.
Would rather ask her to spend more time on seeking for Ustaz
that conduct 'Baca Kitab' especially on Kanun Jenayah Syar'iyyah
as Fatty seems to know very less about the entire of Hudud and
conditions behind its implementation.
Dzun Nun ---> You need to understand the condition/biah. No doubt that Islam
emphasis on being brave when carrying the truth but with hikmah.
Semangat sahaja tanpa hikmah pun tak boleh sheikh...Anyway, saya
tidak mengatakan cara kamu tu tak betul..Bila masa dan keadaan
mendesak, well..yours is the choice...
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i pun worry.
kalu pas perentah, depa ni slow macam abu kayap.
ape ke tidaknya, 9 keluarga memali pun depa tak
terbela, ini kan pula seluruh rakyat mesia yg 20 jota
i pray 20 X so that the real Abu Sayaf will rule
mesia.
tentu kak fatty kurus cengkeding cirit kalu itu Abu
Sayaf perentah noh?
no fear,
Dzun_Nun Al-Malay_C
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> Assalamualaikum
>
> Rasa sungguh sungguh terpanggil nak jawab 12 sebab
> yang Pn Timah kemukakan
> tapi selepas di belek belek dan dikaji kaji dan
> diteropong dan di studi rasa
> rasa buat perabis beras dan perabis karan saja. Mula
> mula Pn Fatty sudah
> "bias" dan ada "preconceived notion" berkenaaan
> Islam. Jadi bila otak dah
> tertutup, hati,mata, telinga, muka semua dah tutup
> dan berfikiran sempit dan
> semput..kita cerita dan habaq lagu mana pun dia tak
> mau dengar.
>
> Lagi pulak kalu kita tengok puak puak UMNO yang
> memang berjiwa UMNO jenis hok
> berkarat piau ..kemarin dulu, besok dan sampai
> kiamat ni pun tak argue dan
> bagi sebab musabab yang macam ni punya teruk sebab
> nak tolak Islam.
>
> Malah sebab musabab yang Pn Fatty ni berikan nampak
> lebih jahil dan lebih
> kuno daripada pendapat sahabat sahabat dan jiran
> kita yang bukan Islam. Saya
> tak nak lah kata Pn Fatty ni munafik atau fasik tapi
> kalu dok belek belek dia
> punya sebab...apek dan asoo Cina sebelah rumah pun
> tak lah sejahil itu.
>
> Syok jugak tengok dia tulis "I worryi worry"
> tarjamahan..saya takut atau
> bimbang. "Fear" ni kata orang barat yang nampak gaya
> Pn Fatty puja tu..adalah
> punca segala kemunduran dan kebodohan. Maka sebab
> fear satu benda pun tak
> jadi.
> Itu sebab walau pun dah lama merdeka, kita dok
> pikiaq macam orang British,
> sebab fear atau takuit kepada kemajuan dan
> perubahan.
>
> Akhir kata, kemarin dulu saja Dr M bertitah, suku
> sakat UMNO kena pikiaq macam
> pembangkang. Pembangkang paling besar ialah PAS.
> Sebab apa Dr M bersabda lagu
> tu ?? Ini adalah kerana dalam pembangkang tak pernah
> ada rasa takut, bimbang,
> worry dan fear. Falsafah "No Fear" ini amat bagus
> untuk pembangkang yang Dr M
> pun nak tiru dan contohi. Jadi kalu lah ada orang
> macam Pn Fatty ni yang dok
> tulis " i worry " tak berhenti henti, Dr M pun tak
> mau kat dia. Malah negara
> ni yang Pn Fatty panggil "only home i know" pun tak
> mau kat dia. Kita bimbang
> wabak "IWORRY" akan tersebar merata rata tempat.
> Kita maju, terkedepan dan
> merdeka sebab kita angkat bontot dan melawan,
> menendang dan menerajang rasa
> worry, bimbang fear dan takut. Kita tak akan
> berdukacit
RE: H-Net* "Twelve good reasons I don't support PAS"
Title: RE: H-Net* "Twelve good reasons I don't support PAS"
As I said, this women needs more guide and more understanding about Islam.
Knowledge about how perform five time prayer and how to conduct do'a alone
is not everything...
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Wa'alaikumussalam wbt,
Ni saja-saja nak menyampuk...
since sdr. Adam ada dok highlight-kan penyakit "IWORRY" yang Pn. Timah dok
timbul-timbulkan, tak terpikir ke beliau yang "Worry" yang sepatutnya. Tak
"worry" atau takut ke beliau pada perintah, larangan dan kemurkaan Allah
SWT???
Bukankah "Worry" pada perintah/larangan/kemurkaan Allah SWT adalah
sepatutnya the ultimate "WORRY"?
Yang herannya dia dok lebih "worry" kan orang kapiaq lebih daripada
"worry"kan Allah tu dia tak terpikir ke?
Wassalam.
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Assalamualaikum
Rasa sungguh sungguh terpanggil nak jawab 12 sebab yang Pn Timah kemukakan
tapi selepas di belek belek dan dikaji kaji dan diteropong dan di studi rasa
rasa buat perabis beras dan perabis karan saja. Mula mula Pn Fatty sudah
"bias" dan ada "preconceived notion" berkenaaan Islam. Jadi bila otak dah
tertutup, hati,mata, telinga, muka semua dah tutup dan berfikiran sempit dan
semput..kita cerita dan habaq lagu mana pun dia tak mau dengar.
Lagi pulak kalu kita tengok puak puak UMNO yang memang berjiwa UMNO jenis
hok
berkarat piau ..kemarin dulu, besok dan sampai kiamat ni pun tak argue dan
bagi sebab musabab yang macam ni punya teruk sebab nak tolak Islam.
Malah sebab musabab yang Pn Fatty ni berikan nampak lebih jahil dan lebih
kuno daripada pendapat sahabat sahabat dan jiran kita yang bukan Islam. Saya
tak nak lah kata Pn Fatty ni munafik atau fasik tapi kalu dok belek belek
dia
punya sebab...apek dan asoo Cina sebelah rumah pun tak lah sejahil itu.
Syok jugak tengok dia tulis "I worryi worry" tarjamahan..saya takut atau
bimbang. "Fear" ni kata orang barat yang nampak gaya Pn Fatty puja
tu..adalah
punca segala kemunduran dan kebodohan. Maka sebab fear satu benda pun tak
jadi.
Itu sebab walau pun dah lama merdeka, kita dok pikiaq macam orang British,
sebab fear atau takuit kepada kemajuan dan perubahan.
Akhir kata, kemarin dulu saja Dr M bertitah, suku sakat UMNO kena pikiaq
macam
pembangkang. Pembangkang paling besar ialah PAS. Sebab apa Dr M bersabda
lagu
tu ?? Ini adalah kerana dalam pembangkang tak pernah ada rasa takut,
bimbang,
worry dan fear. Falsafah "No Fear" ini amat bagus untuk pembangkang yang Dr
M
pun nak tiru dan contohi. Jadi kalu lah ada orang macam Pn Fatty ni yang dok
tulis " i worry " tak berhenti henti, Dr M pun tak mau kat dia. Malah negara
ni yang Pn Fatty panggil "only home i know" pun tak mau kat dia. Kita
bimbang
wabak "IWORRY" akan tersebar merata rata tempat. Kita maju, terkedepan dan
merdeka sebab kita angkat bontot dan melawan, menendang dan menerajang rasa
worry, bimbang fear dan takut. Kita tak akan berdukacita kalu Pn Fatty nak
pindah ke Myammar yang rakyat dia menjadikan rasa bimbang dan takut sebagai
cara hidup. Malaysia sungguh sungguh tak perlu orang macam Fatimah Ahmad
dari
Kelana Jaya.
...and for this I offer no apologies.
Wassalam
Adam
p/s: so Pn Fatty pray pray five times daily ahi kesian kat u lorr
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>Let me enlighten Samad. As a progressive Muslim woman,
>I will give 12 reasons why I pray to God five times a
>day that PAS will never rule this country:
>
>1. I worry that my Chinese sister-in-law whose
>marriage to my
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i tend to disagree with you sir,
it won't do any good for dumber like Fatty to be asked
to study things like kanun jinayat syariat,
what she really need is to be exposed on the basis and
fundamental of tauhid in the 1st place,
in this case i see the islamic movement still failed
to educate the masses and in particular daei like u
failed to understand the real problem facing the ummah
we can't put the blame on pity Fatty since she is what
she is - real dumber, tyron is more proper word, i
guess
in the case of biah/condition and bravery quoted by u,
i think it is too high level 4 your otak to
comprehend, ekekekek
what is hikmah, anyway?
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> My conclusion of these two hamba Allah is simple
> (Dzun Nun and Fatty)
> Fatty ---> Kurang Keilmuan especially Islamic
> Knowledge. I don't blame
>her of her thinking if she really lack of
> Islamic teachings.
>Would rather ask her to spend more time
> on seeking for Ustaz
>that conduct 'Baca Kitab' especially on
> Kanun Jenayah Syar'iyyah
>as Fatty seems to know very less about
> the entire of Hudud and
>conditions behind its implementation.
> Dzun Nun ---> You need to understand the
> condition/biah. No doubt that Islam
>
> emphasis on being brave when carrying
> the truth but with
> hikmah.
> Semangat sahaja tanpa hikmah pun tak
> boleh sheikh...Anyway,
> saya
> tidak mengatakan cara kamu tu tak
> betul..Bila masa dan keadaan
>
> mendesak, well..yours is the choice...
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>
> i tend to disagree with you sir,
>
> it won't do any good for dumber like Fatty to be asked
> to study things like kanun jinayat syariat,
>
> what she really need is to be exposed on the basis and
> fundamental of tauhid in the 1st place,
>
> in this case i see the islamic movement still failed
> to educate the masses and in particular daei like u
> failed to understand the real problem facing the ummah
>
>
> we can't put the blame on pity Fatty since she is what
> she is - real dumber, tyron is more proper word, i
> guess
>
> in the case of biah/condition and bravery quoted by u,
> i think it is too high level 4 your otak to
> comprehend, ekekekek
>
> what is hikmah, anyway?
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > My conclusion of these two hamba Allah is simple
> > (Dzun Nun and Fatty)
> > Fatty ---> Kurang Keilmuan especially Islamic
> > Knowledge. I don't blame
> >her of her thinking if she really lack of
> > Islamic teachings.
> >Would rather ask her to spend more time
> > on seeking for Ustaz
> >that conduct 'Baca Kitab' especially on
> > Kanun Jenayah Syar'iyyah
> >as Fatty seems to know very less about
> > the entire of Hudud and
> >conditions behind its implementation.
> > Dzun Nun ---> You need to understand the
> > condition/biah. No doubt that Islam
> >
> > emphasis on being brave when carrying
> > the truth but with
> > hikmah.
> > Semangat sahaja tanpa hikmah pun tak
> > boleh sheikh...Anyway,
> > saya
> > tidak mengatakan cara kamu tu tak
> > betul..Bila masa dan keadaan
> >
> > mendesak, well..yours is the choice...
>
>
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It is more like a view from an individual who is a non-moslem...
who sees only the negative side (as potrayed by western medias),
who only take the negative examples which not even reflect a true Islamic
law,
one who thinks his/her ideas and opinion is better than Allah's knowledge...
>From #2. Kenapa beliau ambil contoh dari Pakistan?
Adakah Pakistani negara Islam yang lengkap sempurna?
Kenapa tidak ambil contoh zaman para sahabat?
>From #5. Orthodox mana yang beliau ambil contoh dimana suami boleh memukul
isteri sesuka hati?
>From #7... Well, I guess we can tell what kind of Moslem this person is.
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Assalamualaikum wbt,
Samad ("'Disturbing' viewpoint of Suhakam member", May
3) seems perplexed why enlightened and progressive
Muslims like Zainah Anwar and A. Farish Noor do not
support PAS, while non-Muslims like Singh, Mary Tan
and S. Jayasankaran welcome PAS as an alternative to
Barisan Nasional.
Let me enlighten Samad. As a progressive Muslim woman,
I will give 12 reasons why I pray to God five times a
day that PAS will never rule this country:
1. I worry that my Chinese sister-in-law whose
marriage to my brother is on the rocks will eventually
divorce him and go back to the bosom of her family and
leave Islam. Under the PAS hudud law she will be
deemed an apostate and sentenced to death. She's a
wonderful friend and mother whose big mistake was to
marry my spoilt and selfish brother. I cannot, in all
conscience, stand by and watch the mother of my
beautiful nieces and nephew be sentenced to death for
choosing to go back to her original faith and support
system after suffering for years at the hands of a bad
husband.
2. I worry that should my daughter or nieces or I be
raped and we are unable to produce four pious males
who witnessed the penetration, we will be charged and
found guilty for illicit sex under the PAS hudud law.
Reports from Pakistan point out that thousands of
Pakistani women in jail are rape
victims who have been found guilty for zina because
they were unable to produce the four male witnesses
required to prove rape.
And there are many more thousands of women who do not
report rape, knowing that they would be charged for
zina because of their inability to prove rape
according to the requirements of the hudud law. If the
Syariah Courts in Malaysia cannot even implement the
Islamic Family Law according to the substance and
spirit of the law, what hope do I have that the same
religious authorities would be able to implement any
other Islamic law to ensure that justice is done?
3. I worry that should I find the courage to publicly
stand up and speak out against the PAS hudud law, I
will be condemned as an apostate and be sentenced to
death as pronounced by Ustaz Hadi Awang and many other
ulama.
4. I worry that the Islamic Family Law which grants
women the right to divorce, and to a share of the
matrimonial property, and which provides for strict
conditions for polygamy (no matter how flawed the
implementation) will be repealed or amended to conform
to the medieval PAS view of women as nothing more than
chattels, sex objects and evil temptresses who should
be kept hidden and silenced.
5. I worry that the Domestic Violence Act which makes
it a crime for a husband to beat his wife will be
deemed unIslamic because of the orthodox belief that a
Muslim man has a right to beat his wife.
6. I worry that Islam will be used to silence the
women's groups that now champion the rights of women
and put pressure on the government to amend laws and
policies that discriminate against women.
7. I worry that the films I now see, the concerts,
dances and plays I attend will all be deemed unIslamic
and a sourc
