RE: [hlcoders] Compiling on GCC4, threads.cpp with pthread implementation?

[Alfred Reynolds]

That extension will be distributed by Microsoft as part of their express 
program. I don't know when that would happen.

- Alfred

Benjamin Davison wrote:
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Just a quick Q: Alfred, sorry to take this offtopic.
>
> I watched a Microsoft research show done by a couple of the valve
> guys(I
> belive it was Mike Dunkle(sp)) and there was talks of getting some
> level of integration going on between VSExpress and the SDK. Do you
> have any idea how
> we will get this and will it be included in the beta update.
>
> Thanks if you answer this.
>
> On 11/16/05, Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, VS.NET  2003 is still our primary development
>> platform. VS.NET  2005 is a part of our 64-bit port
>> efforts.
>>
>> - Alfred
>>
>> Teddy wrote:
>>> Will the SDK still be compaible with VS.NET  2003?
>>>
>>> On 11/16/05, Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 What pleas? We are working on an update to get the code base to
 compile under VS.NET  2005, this should help with
 GCC 4.x also.

 - Alfred

 Ondrej Hošek wrote:
> It went along the lines of "make it compile", "copy server_i486.so
> over to the server" and "./srcds_run". Purely trial-and-error.
> Seems like the ABI differences are minimal, if any. (I hope it'll
> stay that way for the next few versions.)
>
> If Valve decides to move to GCC 4, I'm ready to trade a .diff file
> for a "thank you" (and maybe the right to brag about having been
> helpful ;-)). As I said, I just need to try compiling with
> Microsoft's C++ compiler first, since it's not my objective to
> destroy things for one group just to make them work for the
> other. (At least not in this case.)
>
> Any chances of my two pleas having been heard by the "higher
> powers"?
>
> Have a nice day,
> ~~ Ondra Hosek
>
> Alfred Reynolds wrote:
>> The C++ ABI differs in GCC 4.x from GCC 3.x, last time I tried it
>> was not possible to run a mod compiled with 4.x (as C++
>> interfaces are passed from it to our GCC 3.x compiled binaries).
>> How did you solve that?
>>
>> - Alfred
>>
>> Ondrej Hošek wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings to fellow list members,
>>>
>>> Recently, I have managed to coerce the code released with the
>>> Half-Life 2 SDK to compile on Linux with GCC 4.0.2 without
>>> -fpermissive and with -Wall -Werror (both "mod" and "plugin"
>>> targets). I will release this modified code later on after
>>> incorporating the changes of the upcoming SDK beta and ensuring
>>> that the code still compiles with Microsoft's C++ compiler.
>>>
>
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Re: [hlcoders] Compiling on GCC4, threads.cpp with pthread implementation?

[Benjamin Davison]

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Just a quick Q: Alfred, sorry to take this offtopic.

I watched a Microsoft research show done by a couple of the valve guys(I
belive it was Mike Dunkle(sp)) and there was talks of getting some level of
integration going on between VSExpress and the SDK. Do you have any idea how
we will get this and will it be included in the beta update.

Thanks if you answer this.

On 11/16/05, Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, VS.NET  2003 is still our primary development
> platform. VS.NET  2005 is a part of our 64-bit port
> efforts.
>
> - Alfred
>
> Teddy wrote:
> > Will the SDK still be compaible with VS.NET  2003?
> >
> > On 11/16/05, Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> What pleas? We are working on an update to get the code base to
> >> compile under VS.NET  2005, this should help with GCC
> 4.x also.
> >>
> >> - Alfred
> >>
> >> Ondrej Hošek wrote:
> >>> It went along the lines of "make it compile", "copy server_i486.so
> >>> over to the server" and "./srcds_run". Purely trial-and-error.
> >>> Seems like the ABI differences are minimal, if any. (I hope it'll
> >>> stay that way for the next few versions.)
> >>>
> >>> If Valve decides to move to GCC 4, I'm ready to trade a .diff file
> >>> for a "thank you" (and maybe the right to brag about having been
> >>> helpful ;-)). As I said, I just need to try compiling with
> >>> Microsoft's C++ compiler first, since it's not my objective to
> >>> destroy things for one group just to make them work for the other.
> >>> (At least not in this case.)
> >>>
> >>> Any chances of my two pleas having been heard by the "higher
> >>> powers"?
> >>>
> >>> Have a nice day,
> >>> ~~ Ondra Hosek
> >>>
> >>> Alfred Reynolds wrote:
>  The C++ ABI differs in GCC 4.x from GCC 3.x, last time I tried it
>  was not possible to run a mod compiled with 4.x (as C++ interfaces
>  are passed from it to our GCC 3.x compiled binaries). How did you
>  solve that?
> 
>  - Alfred
> 
>  Ondrej Hošek wrote:
> 
> > Greetings to fellow list members,
> >
> > Recently, I have managed to coerce the code released with the
> > Half-Life 2 SDK to compile on Linux with GCC 4.0.2 without
> > -fpermissive and with -Wall -Werror (both "mod" and "plugin"
> > targets). I will release this modified code later on after
> > incorporating the changes of the upcoming SDK beta and ensuring
> > that the code still compiles with Microsoft's C++ compiler.
> >
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RE: [hlcoders] Compiling on GCC4, threads.cpp with pthread implementation?

[Alfred Reynolds]

Yes, VS.NET 2003 is still our primary development platform. VS.NET 2005 is a 
part of our 64-bit port efforts.

- Alfred

Teddy wrote:
> Will the SDK still be compaible with VS.NET 2003?
>
> On 11/16/05, Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> What pleas? We are working on an update to get the code base to
>> compile under VS.NET 2005, this should help with GCC 4.x also.
>>
>> - Alfred
>>
>> Ondrej Hošek wrote:
>>> It went along the lines of "make it compile", "copy server_i486.so
>>> over to the server" and "./srcds_run". Purely trial-and-error.
>>> Seems like the ABI differences are minimal, if any. (I hope it'll
>>> stay that way for the next few versions.)
>>>
>>> If Valve decides to move to GCC 4, I'm ready to trade a .diff file
>>> for a "thank you" (and maybe the right to brag about having been
>>> helpful ;-)). As I said, I just need to try compiling with
>>> Microsoft's C++ compiler first, since it's not my objective to
>>> destroy things for one group just to make them work for the other.
>>> (At least not in this case.)
>>>
>>> Any chances of my two pleas having been heard by the "higher
>>> powers"?
>>>
>>> Have a nice day,
>>> ~~ Ondra Hosek
>>>
>>> Alfred Reynolds wrote:
 The C++ ABI differs in GCC 4.x from GCC 3.x, last time I tried it
 was not possible to run a mod compiled with 4.x (as C++ interfaces
 are passed from it to our GCC 3.x compiled binaries). How did you
 solve that?

 - Alfred

 Ondrej Hošek wrote:

> Greetings to fellow list members,
>
> Recently, I have managed to coerce the code released with the
> Half-Life 2 SDK to compile on Linux with GCC 4.0.2 without
> -fpermissive and with -Wall -Werror (both "mod" and "plugin"
> targets). I will release this modified code later on after
> incorporating the changes of the upcoming SDK beta and ensuring
> that the code still compiles with Microsoft's C++ compiler.
>
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Re: [hlcoders] Compiling on GCC4, threads.cpp with pthread implementation?

[Teddy]

Will the SDK still be compaible with VS.NET 2003?

On 11/16/05, Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What pleas? We are working on an update to get the code base to compile under 
> VS.NET 2005, this should help with GCC 4.x also.
>
> - Alfred
>
> Ondrej Hošek wrote:
> > It went along the lines of "make it compile", "copy server_i486.so
> > over
> > to the server" and "./srcds_run". Purely trial-and-error. Seems like
> > the
> > ABI differences are minimal, if any. (I hope it'll stay that way for
> > the
> > next few versions.)
> >
> > If Valve decides to move to GCC 4, I'm ready to trade a .diff file
> > for a "thank you" (and maybe the right to brag about having been
> > helpful ;-)).
> > As I said, I just need to try compiling with Microsoft's C++ compiler
> > first, since it's not my objective to destroy things for one group
> > just
> > to make them work for the other. (At least not in this case.)
> >
> > Any chances of my two pleas having been heard by the "higher powers"?
> >
> > Have a nice day,
> > ~~ Ondra Hosek
> >
> > Alfred Reynolds wrote:
> >> The C++ ABI differs in GCC 4.x from GCC 3.x, last time I tried it
> >> was not possible to run a mod compiled with 4.x (as C++ interfaces
> >> are passed from it to our GCC 3.x compiled binaries). How did you
> >> solve that?
> >>
> >> - Alfred
> >>
> >> Ondrej Hošek wrote:
> >>
> >>> Greetings to fellow list members,
> >>>
> >>> Recently, I have managed to coerce the code released with the
> >>> Half-Life 2 SDK to compile on Linux with GCC 4.0.2 without
> >>> -fpermissive and with -Wall -Werror (both "mod" and "plugin"
> >>> targets). I will release this modified code later on after
> >>> incorporating the changes of the upcoming SDK beta and ensuring
> >>> that the code still compiles with Microsoft's C++ compiler.
> >>>
> >
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RE: [hlcoders] Compiling on GCC4, threads.cpp with pthread implementation?

[Alfred Reynolds]

The SDK launcher application does more than just deliver the SDK Source files, 
it processes them also. So no, it wouldn't make sense to deliver them via the 
linux client, you need to copy them yourself.

As for utils/common/threads.cpp, we don't have a Linux port of that file as we 
don't have any Linux programs that use it. You would have to port it yourself. 
For dedicated server threading we actually use a different support library (in 
the tier0 binary), we have moved our toolset to use this functionality yet.

- Alfred

Ondrej Hošek wrote:
> I quote from my previous e-mail:
>
> "Firstly, are there any hopes of the SDK source code being accessible
> via the Linux Steam client too sometime, maybe as a "game" restricted
> to
> HL2 buyers? I deduced from the readme file that this should be now
> possible if a username and password is supplied.
>
> "Secondly, I have been trying to port VBSP to Linux. Unfortunately,
> there is one stone of the puzzle of actually being able to compile and
> link it, and that's utils/common/threads.cpp. Currently, it seems that
> only the Win32 threading system is included in the file, and since I
> expect e.g. the Linux dedicated server supporting multiple threads
> and, consequentially, Valve having a file with the pthread bindings
> somewhere, I would like to politely ask the Valve employees who
> monitor
> this list if they could include it in the upcoming SDK beta."
>
> ~~ Ondra Hosek
>
> Alfred Reynolds wrote:
>> What pleas? We are working on an update to get the code base to
>> compile under VS.NET 2005, this should help with GCC 4.x also.
>>
>> - Alfred
>>
>> Ondrej Hošek wrote:
>>
>>> It went along the lines of "make it compile", "copy server_i486.so
>>> over to the server" and "./srcds_run". Purely trial-and-error.
>>> Seems like the ABI differences are minimal, if any. (I hope it'll
>>> stay that way for the next few versions.)
>>>
>>> If Valve decides to move to GCC 4, I'm ready to trade a .diff file
>>> for a "thank you" (and maybe the right to brag about having been
>>> helpful ;-)). As I said, I just need to try compiling with
>>> Microsoft's C++ compiler first, since it's not my objective to
>>> destroy things for one group just to make them work for the other.
>>> (At least not in this case.)
>>>
>>> Any chances of my two pleas having been heard by the "higher
>>> powers"?
>>>
>>> Have a nice day,
>>> ~~ Ondra Hosek
>>>
>>> Alfred Reynolds wrote:
>>>
 The C++ ABI differs in GCC 4.x from GCC 3.x, last time I tried it
 was not possible to run a mod compiled with 4.x (as C++ interfaces
 are passed from it to our GCC 3.x compiled binaries). How did you
 solve that?

 - Alfred

 Ondrej Hošek wrote:

> Greetings to fellow list members,
>
> Recently, I have managed to coerce the code released with the
> Half-Life 2 SDK to compile on Linux with GCC 4.0.2 without
> -fpermissive and with -Wall -Werror (both "mod" and "plugin"
> targets). I will release this modified code later on after
> incorporating the changes of the upcoming SDK beta and ensuring
> that the code still compiles with Microsoft's C++ compiler.
>
>
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Re: [hlcoders] Compiling on GCC4, threads.cpp with pthread implementation?

[Ondřej Hošek]

I quote from my previous e-mail:

"Firstly, are there any hopes of the SDK source code being accessible
via the Linux Steam client too sometime, maybe as a "game" restricted to
HL2 buyers? I deduced from the readme file that this should be now
possible if a username and password is supplied.

"Secondly, I have been trying to port VBSP to Linux. Unfortunately,
there is one stone of the puzzle of actually being able to compile and
link it, and that's utils/common/threads.cpp. Currently, it seems that
only the Win32 threading system is included in the file, and since I
expect e.g. the Linux dedicated server supporting multiple threads and,
consequentially, Valve having a file with the pthread bindings
somewhere, I would like to politely ask the Valve employees who monitor
this list if they could include it in the upcoming SDK beta."

~~ Ondra Hosek

Alfred Reynolds wrote:

What pleas? We are working on an update to get the code base to compile under 
VS.NET 2005, this should help with GCC 4.x also.

- Alfred

Ondrej Hošek wrote:


It went along the lines of "make it compile", "copy server_i486.so
over
to the server" and "./srcds_run". Purely trial-and-error. Seems like
the
ABI differences are minimal, if any. (I hope it'll stay that way for
the
next few versions.)

If Valve decides to move to GCC 4, I'm ready to trade a .diff file
for a "thank you" (and maybe the right to brag about having been
helpful ;-)).
As I said, I just need to try compiling with Microsoft's C++ compiler
first, since it's not my objective to destroy things for one group
just
to make them work for the other. (At least not in this case.)

Any chances of my two pleas having been heard by the "higher powers"?

Have a nice day,
~~ Ondra Hosek

Alfred Reynolds wrote:


The C++ ABI differs in GCC 4.x from GCC 3.x, last time I tried it
was not possible to run a mod compiled with 4.x (as C++ interfaces
are passed from it to our GCC 3.x compiled binaries). How did you
solve that?

- Alfred

Ondrej Hošek wrote:


Greetings to fellow list members,

Recently, I have managed to coerce the code released with the
Half-Life 2 SDK to compile on Linux with GCC 4.0.2 without
-fpermissive and with -Wall -Werror (both "mod" and "plugin"
targets). I will release this modified code later on after
incorporating the changes of the upcoming SDK beta and ensuring
that the code still compiles with Microsoft's C++ compiler.



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RE: [hlcoders] Compiling on GCC4, threads.cpp with pthread implementation?

[Alfred Reynolds]

What pleas? We are working on an update to get the code base to compile under 
VS.NET 2005, this should help with GCC 4.x also.

- Alfred

Ondrej Hošek wrote:
> It went along the lines of "make it compile", "copy server_i486.so
> over
> to the server" and "./srcds_run". Purely trial-and-error. Seems like
> the
> ABI differences are minimal, if any. (I hope it'll stay that way for
> the
> next few versions.)
>
> If Valve decides to move to GCC 4, I'm ready to trade a .diff file
> for a "thank you" (and maybe the right to brag about having been
> helpful ;-)).
> As I said, I just need to try compiling with Microsoft's C++ compiler
> first, since it's not my objective to destroy things for one group
> just
> to make them work for the other. (At least not in this case.)
>
> Any chances of my two pleas having been heard by the "higher powers"?
>
> Have a nice day,
> ~~ Ondra Hosek
>
> Alfred Reynolds wrote:
>> The C++ ABI differs in GCC 4.x from GCC 3.x, last time I tried it
>> was not possible to run a mod compiled with 4.x (as C++ interfaces
>> are passed from it to our GCC 3.x compiled binaries). How did you
>> solve that?
>>
>> - Alfred
>>
>> Ondrej Hošek wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings to fellow list members,
>>>
>>> Recently, I have managed to coerce the code released with the
>>> Half-Life 2 SDK to compile on Linux with GCC 4.0.2 without
>>> -fpermissive and with -Wall -Werror (both "mod" and "plugin"
>>> targets). I will release this modified code later on after
>>> incorporating the changes of the upcoming SDK beta and ensuring
>>> that the code still compiles with Microsoft's C++ compiler.
>>>
>
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Re: [hlcoders] Compiling on GCC4, threads.cpp with pthread implementation?

[Ondřej Hošek]

It went along the lines of "make it compile", "copy server_i486.so over
to the server" and "./srcds_run". Purely trial-and-error. Seems like the
ABI differences are minimal, if any. (I hope it'll stay that way for the
next few versions.)

If Valve decides to move to GCC 4, I'm ready to trade a .diff file for a
"thank you" (and maybe the right to brag about having been helpful ;-)).
As I said, I just need to try compiling with Microsoft's C++ compiler
first, since it's not my objective to destroy things for one group just
to make them work for the other. (At least not in this case.)

Any chances of my two pleas having been heard by the "higher powers"?

Have a nice day,
~~ Ondra Hosek

Alfred Reynolds wrote:

The C++ ABI differs in GCC 4.x from GCC 3.x, last time I tried it was not 
possible to run a mod compiled with 4.x (as C++ interfaces are passed from it 
to our GCC 3.x compiled binaries). How did you solve that?

- Alfred

Ondrej Hošek wrote:


Greetings to fellow list members,

Recently, I have managed to coerce the code released with the
Half-Life 2 SDK to compile on Linux with GCC 4.0.2 without
-fpermissive and with -Wall -Werror (both "mod" and "plugin"
targets). I will release this
modified code later on after incorporating the changes of the upcoming
SDK beta and ensuring that the code still compiles with Microsoft's
C++
compiler.



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Re: [hlcoders] Compiling on GCC4, threads.cpp with pthread implementation?

[Marcelo Bezerra]

Source SDK requires gcc-3.4, so we should be safe with gcc-4.0.
The main problem is that gcc-4.0 complais about a lot of stuff in the
sdk that 3.4 does not :)

I would really like to experiment recompiling my stuff with gcc 4.0 and
see if the code it generates is faster.

On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 09:49 +1000, Jeff Fearn wrote:
> On 11/16/05, Marcelo Bezerra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 13:51 -0800, Alfred Reynolds wrote:
> > > C++ interfaces are passed from it to our GCC 3.x compiled binaries).
> > > How did you solve that?
> >
> > gcc-4.0 and gcc-3.4 share the same C++ ABI, so that should not be a
> > problem.
>
> There where ABI change between gcc 3.1 and 3.3 and then between 3.3
> and gcc 3.4; so if the tools Valve are using are pre 3.4 then it will
> be different.
>
> Note that it may be possible to get objects using different ABI's to
> link, however it is not possible to determine if there will be any
> strange run time behaviour without extensive testing. Is that crash
> due to a bug in the SDK or a run time ABI clash? Welcome to ABI hell
> ;)
>
> Valve dudes, which 3.x version of gcc are you using? The x being
> pretty important give the (expletive words) practice of changing the
> ABI in minor versions :/
>
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RE: [hlcoders] Compiling on GCC4, threads.cpp with pthread implementation?

[Alfred Reynolds]

The Source engine and Steam client are compiled with 3.4.1 currently.

- Alfred

Jeff Fearn wrote:
> On 11/16/05, Marcelo Bezerra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 13:51 -0800, Alfred Reynolds wrote:
>>> C++ interfaces are passed from it to our GCC 3.x compiled binaries).
>>> How did you solve that?
>>
>> gcc-4.0 and gcc-3.4 share the same C++ ABI, so that should not be a
>> problem.
>
> There where ABI change between gcc 3.1 and 3.3 and then between 3.3
> and gcc 3.4; so if the tools Valve are using are pre 3.4 then it will
> be different.
>
> Note that it may be possible to get objects using different ABI's to
> link, however it is not possible to determine if there will be any
> strange run time behaviour without extensive testing. Is that crash
> due to a bug in the SDK or a run time ABI clash? Welcome to ABI hell
> ;)
>
> Valve dudes, which 3.x version of gcc are you using? The x being
> pretty important give the (expletive words) practice of changing the
> ABI in minor versions :/
>
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Re: [hlcoders] Compiling on GCC4, threads.cpp with pthread implementation?

[Jeff Fearn]

On 11/16/05, Marcelo Bezerra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 13:51 -0800, Alfred Reynolds wrote:
> > C++ interfaces are passed from it to our GCC 3.x compiled binaries).
> > How did you solve that?
>
> gcc-4.0 and gcc-3.4 share the same C++ ABI, so that should not be a
> problem.

There where ABI change between gcc 3.1 and 3.3 and then between 3.3
and gcc 3.4; so if the tools Valve are using are pre 3.4 then it will
be different.

Note that it may be possible to get objects using different ABI's to
link, however it is not possible to determine if there will be any
strange run time behaviour without extensive testing. Is that crash
due to a bug in the SDK or a run time ABI clash? Welcome to ABI hell
;)

Valve dudes, which 3.x version of gcc are you using? The x being
pretty important give the (expletive words) practice of changing the
ABI in minor versions :/

--
Jeff Fearn

"Postmodernism: Once more without feeling." -- Geoffrey Nunberg

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RE: [hlcoders] Compiling on GCC4, threads.cpp with pthread implementation?

[Marcelo Bezerra]

On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 13:51 -0800, Alfred Reynolds wrote:
> C++ interfaces are passed from it to our GCC 3.x compiled binaries).
> How did you solve that?

gcc-4.0 and gcc-3.4 share the same C++ ABI, so that should not be a
problem.


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RE: [hlcoders] Compiling on GCC4, threads.cpp with pthread implementation?

[Alfred Reynolds]

The C++ ABI differs in GCC 4.x from GCC 3.x, last time I tried it was not 
possible to run a mod compiled with 4.x (as C++ interfaces are passed from it 
to our GCC 3.x compiled binaries). How did you solve that?

- Alfred

Ondrej Hošek wrote:
> Greetings to fellow list members,
>
> Recently, I have managed to coerce the code released with the
> Half-Life 2 SDK to compile on Linux with GCC 4.0.2 without
> -fpermissive and with -Wall -Werror (both "mod" and "plugin"
> targets). I will release this
> modified code later on after incorporating the changes of the upcoming
> SDK beta and ensuring that the code still compiles with Microsoft's
> C++
> compiler.
>
> Apart from this news, I have two questions best classified as wishes.
>
> Firstly, are there any hopes of the SDK source code being accessible
> via
> the Linux Steam client too sometime, maybe as a "game" restricted to
> HL2
> buyers? I deduced from the readme file that this should be now
> possible
> if a username and password is supplied.
>
> Secondly, I have been trying to port VBSP to Linux. Unfortunately,
> there
> is one stone of the puzzle of actually being able to compile and link
> it, and that's utils/common/threads.cpp. Currently, it seems that only
> the Win32 threading system is included in the file, and since I expect
> e.g. the Linux dedicated server supporting multiple threads and,
> consequentially, Valve having a file with the pthread bindings
> somewhere, I would like to politely ask the Valve employees who
> monitor
> this list if they could include it in the upcoming SDK beta.
>
> Thank you,
> ~~ Ondra Hosek (VDC's RavuAlHemio)
>
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[hlcoders] Compiling on GCC4, threads.cpp with pthread implementation?

[Ondřej Hošek]

Greetings to fellow list members,

Recently, I have managed to coerce the code released with the Half-Life
2 SDK to compile on Linux with GCC 4.0.2 without -fpermissive and with
-Wall -Werror (both "mod" and "plugin" targets). I will release this
modified code later on after incorporating the changes of the upcoming
SDK beta and ensuring that the code still compiles with Microsoft's C++
compiler.

Apart from this news, I have two questions best classified as wishes.

Firstly, are there any hopes of the SDK source code being accessible via
the Linux Steam client too sometime, maybe as a "game" restricted to HL2
buyers? I deduced from the readme file that this should be now possible
if a username and password is supplied.

Secondly, I have been trying to port VBSP to Linux. Unfortunately, there
is one stone of the puzzle of actually being able to compile and link
it, and that's utils/common/threads.cpp. Currently, it seems that only
the Win32 threading system is included in the file, and since I expect
e.g. the Linux dedicated server supporting multiple threads and,
consequentially, Valve having a file with the pthread bindings
somewhere, I would like to politely ask the Valve employees who monitor
this list if they could include it in the upcoming SDK beta.

Thank you,
~~ Ondra Hosek (VDC's RavuAlHemio)

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