RE: Re[4]: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
when barely anyone complains about it, and actually seems to be working just the way it should be Barely anyone? Working just the way it should be? So I guess the thousands of posts detailing how stupid the changes were + the thousands of people who have almost 0 servers now, are just making the problem up huh? Clear;y there is still major problems. Instead of making a post pretending that everyone is happy, just because YOU are happy, why not try and help us come up with a solution that makes everyone happy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of spartibus Sent: 19 September 2004 00:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[4]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Once again assuming that just because I post to this list from home, that I must be running my dedicated server from there as well. I'm not, but even if I were, it wouldn't make your post any less stupid. I had enough of Valves incompetence and lack of concern for it's most loyal players that pay money for a server so they can make money off of us. Ahahaha. And this is the best part. When's the last time you've seen any game company say, Yessa, Massa! and change something instantly, when barely anyone complains about it, and actually seems to be working just the way it should be? Valve's certainly not perfect. But then again, who is? And for the last time, home based servers are MORE than adequate (in most cases). Just because you decided to use a sizeable amount of money to have someone run a server for you, doesn't make you any better than the next guy, and you certainly don't deserve any special treatment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Dupler Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[4]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Saturday, September 18, 2004, 9:25:48 AM, you wrote: Hello, Well when you pay tons of money for a high powered server on a very fast line you would tend to get a bite sore when some kid with $50.00 and a left over server get's more traffic then you. I don't really care much anymore, I had enough of Valves incompetence and lack of concern for it's most loyal players that pay money for a server so they can make money off of us. It was my understanding that most cable companies state that running any kind of servers off their networks to be a violation on their TOS. Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] MP Since when was this a war about how much someone pays to have their server MP up? MP Kind Regards, MP Monil Patel MP Network Manager MP Reload Network -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: 18 September 2004 18:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Translation: How can you have the balls to complain about anything that effects your puny crap laggy 3 man server run on a Pentium 1 with a Comcast 100kbps cable home connection when us big boys pay big bucks for our uber top notch PROFESSIONAL state of the art massive bandwidth servers? Go cry to your mommy and leave us big boys alone. - Original Message - From: Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: spartibus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: Re[2]: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Friday, September 17, 2004, 8:57:55 PM, you wrote: Hello spartibus, Notice the comcast address, big surprise . Let me guess you pay $49.95 a month to run your server? Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds MP ___ MP To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: MP http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
Everyone can see its been a major mistake, except Valve. Surely they should be alarmed with a 30% drop? Shocking Valve. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Sent: 17 September 2004 19:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Hi Guys, Going thru the posts from august to today about the serverlist, community, not seeing calif and texas servers and the new masterlist system, there are over 100+ posts That said, NO response from Valve!!! I will not kiss and tell however, I have been in contact off the list with some members of this list and a person from Valve. Valve thinks the new list is the best thing since sliced bread and other GSP's have been going crazy with servers missing off the list and support issues because of this is hammering us bigtime. Server connections are way down, servers loads are way down on whether it's a machine with good IP's or bad ips, they both are way down. Looking back at last years server use graphs in aug/sept, we see a 30% drop this year. Some might say people are playing Source this year so 1.6 numbers are down, Lets not forget we got the 1.5 guys to 1.6 this year so it's a wash. When they created this new masterist they had the best intentions I'm sure, but in doing so they broke something, causing numerous servers not to be listed at all, most being in TEXAS and CALIFORNIA. If they cant fix this new list, why not go back to the old list system? End result is this new masterlist is a BAD idea in more ways than one. -Bobby ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
No I'm not joking. Not at all. Nor are the vast majority of people who are extremely angry about this server list business. Maybe read some of the countless threads in here about how fed up and shocked they are with Valve's stupid change to the serverlist. The 30% was in reference to a previous post which I guess you didn't read. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: 17 September 2004 21:20 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read 30% drop in what? Thier player#'s and server#'s dont show any significant drops. Shocking Valve. ..your joking right! -Original Message- From: -GB-Carpy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Everyone can see its been a major mistake, except Valve. Surely they should be alarmed with a 30% drop? Shocking Valve. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList Destroyed::::Please take time to read
My bad.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: 17 September 2004 22:28 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read NOT SENSE OF HUMOR.. No I'm not joking. Not at all. Nor are the vast majority of people who are extremely angry about this server list business. ...dude learn to read sarcasm Valves's been doing this type of thing for 3 years, though it's been much worse the last two.. my point was you SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED...you can be pissed...but not surprised. -Original Message- From: -GB-Carpy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 4:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read No I'm not joking. Not at all. Nor are the vast majority of people who are extremely angry about this server list business. Maybe read some of the countless threads in here about how fed up and shocked they are with Valve's stupid change to the serverlist. The 30% was in reference to a previous post which I guess you didn't read. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: 17 September 2004 21:20 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read 30% drop in what? Thier player#'s and server#'s dont show any significant drops. Shocking Valve. ..your joking right! -Original Message- From: -GB-Carpy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] RE: ServerList DestroyedPlease take time to read Everyone can see its been a major mistake, except Valve. Surely they should be alarmed with a 30% drop? Shocking Valve. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] ServerList Destroyed
No servers = 27286, 118 No servers = 27518, 119 No servers = 27749, 120 No servers = 27980, 121 No servers = 28211, 122 No servers = 28442, 123 No servers = 28673, 124 No servers = 28904, 125 No servers = 29135, 126 No servers = 29366, 127 No servers = 29473, 128 Total servers = 29472, 128 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew White Sent: 15 September 2004 11:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] ServerList Destroyed Im guessin you don't want full output so here are the last few lines. No servers = 27051, 117 No servers = 27282, 118 No servers = 27514, 119 No servers = 27745, 120 No servers = 27976, 121 No servers = 28208, 122 No servers = 28439, 123 No servers = 28671, 124 No servers = 28902, 125 No servers = 29133, 126 No servers = 29231, 127 Total servers = 29230, 127 Once again hope it helps Regards, Matt White [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Hartland Sent: 15 September 2004 00:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] ServerList Destroyed Ok I have a debug version of qstat with fixed steam master server support up and running. Can everyone download and run with the following command line: qstat -stm,game=cstrike 207.173.177.12 URL: http://gaming.multiplay.co.uk/downloads/qstat-steam_debug.zip Note: This is purely a debug version and will not actually query the servers its is ONLY testing the master server response. The output will be something like: No servers = 232, 1 No servers = 463, 2 ... No servers = 29610, 129 Total servers = 29609, 129 The source code is there for anyone who wants to compile it under linux etc. For those on linux or who have a packet capture program installed you may wish to run it up while running this test. What we are looking for is the number of packets sent / recieved from the master 207.173.177.12. If the number of packets recieved differs from the second number reported by qstat in the last line we could be looking at an out of order issue. Currently on the reciept of a packet ending in a NULL address qstat will terminate processing. Im not sure if steam does the same thing or not but this may running it will at least provide us with a good idea on what is going on. Steve / K This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Re: ServerList Destroyed
Strange When I DMZ myself through my firewall, I get about 30,000 servers mo problems. The output from the qstat is as it should be. When I turn the DMZ off, the output format changes to become like this below. It just keeps on going listing lots like this. HLS 82.98.225.52:27015 0/10 de_train 46 / 0 cstrike NGServers.com | MFG Clan Server, channel IRC #meta-fraggeurs HLS 81.169.175.147:27015 no response HLS 82.98.225.53:2701514/15 cs_deagle7 47 / 0 cstrike public tontons fragueurs HLS 82.98.225.22:2701516/17 de_dust2 1641 / 2 cstrike La Taverne des bOlos ! HLS 81.169.174.140:27018 0/14 de_chateau 63 / 0 cstrike =[SoD]= Clanse rver | powered by www.svp-clan.de HLS 82.98.225.55:27015 2/12 de_aztec 46 / 0 cstrike NGServers.com | eXode-team | pw:exode HLS 81.169.174.140:27017 0/18 de_dust2 63 / 0 cstrike #nCs-Headshot- Hotel | powered by www.svp-clan.de HLS 81.169.174.180:27016 0/12 de_dust 1062 / 1 cstrike Inet Center CS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deadman Standing Sent: 15 September 2004 15:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Re: ServerList Destroyed It does seem to be firewall related. When connected through the firewall I never see more than 4000. I just did a test by-passing the firewall and saw almost 19000 servers. It seems the master server is providing all the server names to the browser. The browser then queries each server. If the browser does not get a response it does not display the server. Thus the 4000 server I would see were just those the firewall let through. I also tried setting my steam speed to 56k modem to see if a smaller flow would perform better, but it made no difference. My concern is if this is a common problem a large percentage of the 118,000 users of steam may only be able to see a very small fraction of the servers out there. Time: 15:40 GMT Mod: cstrike Steam Speed: DSL 256k ISP: 3 mbits down 386 kbits up Region: World Servers: 18878 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Re: ServerList Destroyed Your issue may be your local firewall limiting the number of UDP/TCP sessions. The server update will set most home/consumer firewalls off as an attack (udp flood) and it can easily quit accepting new connections until the old ones are gone. I have the same issue when I game on my Netscreen firewall since it limits to 2000 active sessions. I just simply connect to my Pix firewall and get the full list. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] ServerList Destroyed
Why do you assume the problem is my side? I have tried all the internet speed settings, various times. Does not the thousands of other people having this problem lead you to believe that just perhaps this is a problem with Steam ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TMRh20 . Sent: 14 September 2004 03:16 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] ServerList Destroyed I completely agree with Steven. Try lowering ur connection speed setting in steam. -- remember ur 3mb connection is probably not the same speed upload as download -- in which case ur probably just maxing our ur connection. From: Steven Hartland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] ServerList Destroyed Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:53:11 +0100 Before stupidly demanding things get changed back. Find out what the problem is. Have you done a trace on the connection? What's the packet dump you are seeing. Is there any loss? Are you seeing out of order packets? Is the MTU correct on all parts of the network between you and the master servers? Obviously leaving it over night is not needed the results should not pause for more than few seconds. Have a look at the above and lets see if we can be more constructive and find the cause of the problem so that it can be fixed. Steve / K - Original Message - From: -GB-Carpy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Impatient? Well I have left it overnight before and its never got to more than 2000. I have never had any trouble with my 3mb cable connection either. No other online game has these troubles. CS 1.5 didn't have these troubles. Its just Steam, and its not just for me, its for THOUSANDS of other people aswell so please don't try and belittle us by presuming it is user error. Maybe you are one of the lucky ones who has no trouble. Most other people are not so lucky.. Change the damn thing back before its too late Valve. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=htt p://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSNR Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] ServerList Destroyed
Thought you'd appreciate that one ;) Its just what Steam reduces me to sometimes. I will get a copy of ethereal and get recording. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Hartland Sent: 14 September 2004 05:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] ServerList Destroyed Oh very helpful. Time to go back to your kinder garden now. Steve / K - Original Message - From: -GB-Carpy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I analysed all the data and network traffic and the result that came back is that Steam is gay. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] ServerList Destroyed
Full refresh for CS here. Europe selected filter. Maximum I get is 1600 approx. Most are 10 man servers and so laggy its impossible to play on them. I used to get about the same number before, but at least I used to see decent 20 - 32 man servers before. Not now though -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Hartland Sent: 13 September 2004 17:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] ServerList Destroyed Sounds like ur being impatient just did a full refresh here and got: 18484 servers for CS alone Steve / K - Original Message - From: Bobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey All!! You guys already know how I feel about the new serverlist ruining the community, I have RR cable here at home, my friend who lives 4 blocks away from me uses optonline. My IP starts at 67 and his 24. We NEVER see the SAME list, Yeah that's great for the community, NOT!! I'm pulling about 2700 servers, where did they all go? VALVE, bring back the old list, it was a lot less buggy than this one!!! SHANE, I'm missing about 20 servers in Calif, I'll send you a list later. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] ServerList Destroyed
Well I analysed all the data and network traffic and the result that came back is that Steam is gay. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Hartland Sent: 13 September 2004 22:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] ServerList Destroyed Before stupidly demanding things get changed back. Find out what the problem is. Have you done a trace on the connection? What's the packet dump you are seeing. Is there any loss? Are you seeing out of order packets? Is the MTU correct on all parts of the network between you and the master servers? Obviously leaving it over night is not needed the results should not pause for more than few seconds. Have a look at the above and lets see if we can be more constructive and find the cause of the problem so that it can be fixed. Steve / K - Original Message - From: -GB-Carpy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Impatient? Well I have left it overnight before and its never got to more than 2000. I have never had any trouble with my 3mb cable connection either. No other online game has these troubles. CS 1.5 didn't have these troubles. Its just Steam, and its not just for me, its for THOUSANDS of other people aswell so please don't try and belittle us by presuming it is user error. Maybe you are one of the lucky ones who has no trouble. Most other people are not so lucky.. Change the damn thing back before its too late Valve. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Where has all the traffic gone?
Maybe it isn't to you, but it is to thousands of people with pre paid servers that are sitting empty, and also to the thousands of players who have no decent servers at all in their server list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of spartibus Sent: 10 September 2004 08:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Where has all the traffic gone? ... because it isn't. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Carter Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Where has all the traffic gone? I feel your pain. I was bitching about this 2 days after it happened and most people thought it wasn't a big deal. Jay Jay Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Turbo 6 Power Administrator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of m0gely Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Where has all the traffic gone? Ooks Server wrote: My IP ends in 183. And for the first time in a week, I have traffic again. Go figure? Yeah, go figure: http://quake2.telestream.com/csstats/server.php -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Where has all the traffic gone?
Did I say that MY server was the best, and your one was puny? NO. I don't think you should even be here. Why not remove yourself from this list and then go and post your insults and childish bickering on www.steampowered.com It's a fact that the new system means that the professionally run well specced servers aren't all going to come first now. This is my point. And if I may say so, your instant name calling / childish reply just adds weight to my argument. I wonder how you would admin your server ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc Sent: 10 September 2004 15:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Where has all the traffic gone? what do you consider decent? stop the bitching about how our servers are puny to your mighty one bs! I for one am glad to see a change. You do still have a real job no? - Original Message - From: -GB-Carpy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 4:51 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Where has all the traffic gone? Maybe it isn't to you, but it is to thousands of people with pre paid servers that are sitting empty, and also to the thousands of players who have no decent servers at all in their server list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of spartibus Sent: 10 September 2004 08:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Where has all the traffic gone? ... because it isn't. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Carter Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Where has all the traffic gone? I feel your pain. I was bitching about this 2 days after it happened and most people thought it wasn't a big deal. Jay Jay Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Turbo 6 Power Administrator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of m0gely Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Where has all the traffic gone? Ooks Server wrote: My IP ends in 183. And for the first time in a week, I have traffic again. Go figure? Yeah, go figure: http://quake2.telestream.com/csstats/server.php -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Where has all the traffic gone?
Yes and mine too. £1000 down the drain overnight. Great job Valve. The whole point is that before doing stuff like this they should CONSULT people and see if it would be accepted by the majority. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: 10 September 2004 15:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Where has all the traffic gone? It's only a big deal when it's *your* server (or mine) that is suddenly sitting empty :-) - Original Message - From: Jay Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:30 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Where has all the traffic gone? I feel your pain. I was bitching about this 2 days after it happened and most people thought it wasn't a big deal. Jay Jay Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Turbo 6 Power Administrator ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Server not listed?
That would be the new gay Steam listing method. It displays servers to you in order based on your IP. Im guessing those that cant see it have a IP which is very different to your servers, and the wonderful Steam server list is giving up the ghost before even getting the the server. Either that or u need a HLDS update -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DarK Sent: 09 September 2004 07:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Server not listed? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We recently added two more CS servers. We have been getting a lot of reports that players can't see the server if they do a full refresh. All other servers on our network can be seen, except the new ones. Personally it works fine for me, but i've had 20+ people tell me they can't see it when they refresh all servers. I'm not 100% sure, but there's nothing we have to do to register servers is there? I wanted it listed on steam, any ideas why it's not being added for some users? Cheers, DarK -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Tfc...steering wheel.
Jesus wept if I wanted to know about steering wheels and how to turn my PC on I'd go to the Steam noob forums. Why the hell am I receiving this sort of junk on the HLDS server mailing list -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Jackson Sent: 09 September 2004 02:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Tfc...steering wheel. Has anyone played tfc with a steering wheel? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: hlds digest, Vol 1 #3073 - 16 msgs Send hlds mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of hlds digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Which Mouse is the best? (Ooks Server) 2. Re: Which Mouse is the best? (Stephen Micheals) 3. RE: Which Mouse is the best? (spartibus) 4. Re: Which Mouse is the best? (Edson Sossai) 5. Re: Which Mouse is the best? (James Nine) 6. am i the best (CAL-Account) 7. Re: am i the best (Cian Sweeney) 8. RE: am i the best (Joachim Sedell) 9. RE: am i the best (Napier, Kevin) 10. Re: am i the best (Whisper .) 11. Re: am i the best (Cian Sweeney) 12. Re: am i the best (List Keeper) 13. Re: am i the best (List Keeper) 14. Re: am i the best (m0gely) 15. Re: am i the best (Cian Sweeney) 16. Re: am i the best (CAL-Account) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ooks Server [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Which Mouse is the best? Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 07:16:25 -0700 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] With all due respect, you are wrong. This is NOT the place to talk things that have anything to do with CS somehow. This is a server administrators list, not a newbie players guide. Questions like which mouse is best are totally inappropriate for this list. Questions like this should be addressed at the forums at steampowered.com, and should never be posted here. - Original Message - From: Edson Sossai [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Which Mouse is the best? Hey Whisper I appreciate your help but your comment about my message was unnecessary. As far as I know this is a place to help people as long they are talking about CS somehow. I was having a problem with a wireless mouse when playing and i just thought i could use some experience from others. I really don't get it what you mean by you should not be here [Original Message] From: Whisper . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/8/2004 12:47:02 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Which Mouse is the best? Microsoft Intellimouse Versions 3.0 (The Version 4.0 is terrible) Logitech MX700 Both are Optical Which ever feels best in your hand, as they both perform simiarly and any difference between them is nearly always subjective. BTW this is the wrong place for this question and you should not be here! On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:31:48 -0400, Edson Sossai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Would someone tell me what is the best mouse to play CS? Wireless or wired? Optical or Regular? and which model you guys recommend? Also have anyone played with joystick? Is that any good? Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink Revolves Around You. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:08:15 -0700 From: Stephen Micheals [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Which Mouse is the best? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exactly. So a note to all of the people on this list who are not server admins Please dont post unless your topic is related to HLDS Thanks. On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 07:16:25 -0700, Ooks Server [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With all due respect, you are wrong. This is NOT the place to talk things that have anything to do with CS somehow. This is a server administrators list, not a newbie players guide. Questions like which mouse is best are
RE: [hlds] Where has all the traffic gone?
Welcome to the latest Steam server list update ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: 09 September 2004 15:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Where has all the traffic gone? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What has changed in the last week or two? My modest little 6 player server used to be maxed out most of the time, but about a week or so ago, the traffic dropped off, and now it sits there empty. I don't believe there are any router or connectiity issues, as a few players do come and go, and I can access it fine. Last weekend it was empty all weekend. Weekends usually see it maxed 24/7. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Re: [hlds_linux] ServerBrowser Update
The whole point is, the new way is not random at all. It is based on whatever the clients IP is. If your IP is 82.xx.xx.xx then the servers will listed as 81.xx.xx.xx then 83.xx.xx.xx then 80.xx.xx.xx then 84.xx.xx.xx. Seeings as Steam loves to give up the ghost after only downloading about 300 servers sometimes, it means most people only see servers which have an IP practically the same as their own IP. Not very helpful if you are using a NAT router with a WAN address... I have had people ask me for some IPs of decent servers because they can't get any good ones in their list. Strangely enough, I can't give them any because all I see is crappy servers hosted on domestic bandwidth connections. What have we done to solve this...well we have started playing Americas Army instead. I agree that a professional server isn't anymore important than a amateur one run from home, but from a player experience point of view you just don't get the same ping / commection / quality of game as you do when you connect to a pro server. Bring back the old IP fourth octet system. The servers which will actually have gone to the trouble of obtaining a low fourth octet IP will be good quality, low ping, and well run and thus will give the player a good experience. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Robinett Sent: 03 September 2004 14:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Re: [hlds_linux] ServerBrowser Update Please look through the recent archives. They changed it up now to some arguably worse way. - Original Message - From: Toker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] ServerBrowser Update How will this affect the way servers are populated in the clients list? I know before it was based on the 4th octet of the IP address being low. Will this change? - Original Message - From: Alfred Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 3:47 AM Subject: [hlds_linux] ServerBrowser Update We will be releasing an update to the ServerBrowser in the next couple of weeks. This update will add the ability to view both Source and HL1 games in the same server list. We released an update for HL1 game servers on August 11th to support this new serverbrowser (in particular we added a new query to the out-of-band protocol). If you have not updated your server with this engine update then your server will not show up in clients serverbrowsers once we release the new serverbrowser. To ensure you have this new engine run the hldsupdatetool with the update command. - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] HLDS - On Topic
At least if the ping section was ACCURATE then people could choose to join a server based on ping. As it is now, servers that are dwn the road from me, and when I join ping at 12ms, they show up as 600 - 1800 ping in the Steam server list. It just doesn't work properly - AT ALL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Munoz Sent: 31 August 2004 00:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] HLDS - On Topic His server has a very good ping to me, around 24 or so. I can only guess, as most of us on the list can only do. Client communicates with Master list Server Gets List (XML Stream?) Parses List and starts at Clients IP address +1 and -1 of first octet List is displayed by default or preferred sort order as each server is connected to and verified, measuring ping and polling for number of players etc... Spartibus say's: I'm guessing that the 10,000 servers that didn't show either time-out or are above 2000 ping to you, thus they aren't displayed in the steam server browser. I have 2 very good connections (3Mb dual T1's and a 1.5/768 ADSL (good for me!)) and I get the same results on both. I doubt it's a time out... I am getting the same results as Shane. Mike ParaDOX Munoz www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: spartibus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 6:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] HLDS - On Topic I'm guessing that the 10,000 servers that didn't show either time-out or are above 2000 ping to you, thus they aren't displayed in the steam server browser. I could be very wrong, but I know that's the case for at least a few servers, if not ten thousand of them :D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Robinett Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 3:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] HLDS - On Topic Well, if anyone figures it out I'll do what I can to figure out why exactly we are missing nearly 10K servers from the list still - Original Message - From: Mike Munoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 5:02 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] HLDS - On Topic Funny, that's exactly what I wanted to know. So I searched every file in the Steam directory and nothing. Near as I can tell it is stored in Windows Virtual Memory. You can observer this by watching the amount of virtual memory used go up as you refresh the list, and stop if you stop refreshing (Open Windows Task Manager in XP, in view menu select columns, then check the Virtual Memory Size checkbox). This could also just be the extra memory needed by the application to sort and display the list, but I don't think so. If you exit Steam it frees up the memory (obviously). Upon restarting Steam it will download a new list when you open the Server browser to the Internet Tab. The full list will always take up approximately the same size of virtual Memory. I didn't get to spend too much time on this, as I was supposed to be working. :) It just piqued my curiosity. I had to know. Mike ParaDOX Munoz www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: Shane Robinett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] HLDS - On Topic Does anyone know if/where/how to rip the list of game servers provided by the STEAM client? I get 19,000 or so out of the 28,099 that w00t.net pulls from the master server tables. I want to parse the data and figure out which servers are NOT being displayed. My 19,000 is with ALL filters removed. - Shane ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] HLDS - On Topic
Erm well you and your friends must be wired to the Valve office or something. Every single person I speak to has incorrect pings in the master server list. When they add them to favourites though, the pings are shown correctly which must mean there is NO problem with us, but a problem with the list itself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of spartibus Sent: 31 August 2004 00:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] HLDS - On Topic That's a problem with you; not the server list. I personally don't have any problems with it and it displays pings accurately for me and my friends. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of -GB-Carpy Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] HLDS - On Topic At least if the ping section was ACCURATE then people could choose to join a server based on ping. As it is now, servers that are dwn the road from me, and when I join ping at 12ms, they show up as 600 - 1800 ping in the Steam server list. It just doesn't work properly - AT ALL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Munoz Sent: 31 August 2004 00:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] HLDS - On Topic His server has a very good ping to me, around 24 or so. I can only guess, as most of us on the list can only do. Client communicates with Master list Server Gets List (XML Stream?) Parses List and starts at Clients IP address +1 and -1 of first octet List is displayed by default or preferred sort order as each server is connected to and verified, measuring ping and polling for number of players etc... Spartibus say's: I'm guessing that the 10,000 servers that didn't show either time-out or are above 2000 ping to you, thus they aren't displayed in the steam server browser. I have 2 very good connections (3Mb dual T1's and a 1.5/768 ADSL (good for me!)) and I get the same results on both. I doubt it's a time out... I am getting the same results as Shane. Mike ParaDOX Munoz www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: spartibus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 6:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] HLDS - On Topic I'm guessing that the 10,000 servers that didn't show either time-out or are above 2000 ping to you, thus they aren't displayed in the steam server browser. I could be very wrong, but I know that's the case for at least a few servers, if not ten thousand of them :D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Robinett Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 3:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] HLDS - On Topic Well, if anyone figures it out I'll do what I can to figure out why exactly we are missing nearly 10K servers from the list still - Original Message - From: Mike Munoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 5:02 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] HLDS - On Topic Funny, that's exactly what I wanted to know. So I searched every file in the Steam directory and nothing. Near as I can tell it is stored in Windows Virtual Memory. You can observer this by watching the amount of virtual memory used go up as you refresh the list, and stop if you stop refreshing (Open Windows Task Manager in XP, in view menu select columns, then check the Virtual Memory Size checkbox). This could also just be the extra memory needed by the application to sort and display the list, but I don't think so. If you exit Steam it frees up the memory (obviously). Upon restarting Steam it will download a new list when you open the Server browser to the Internet Tab. The full list will always take up approximately the same size of virtual Memory. I didn't get to spend too much time on this, as I was supposed to be working. :) It just piqued my curiosity. I had to know. Mike ParaDOX Munoz www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: Shane Robinett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] HLDS - On Topic Does anyone know if/where/how to rip the list of game servers provided by the STEAM client? I get 19,000 or so out of the 28,099 that w00t.net pulls from the master server tables. I want to parse the data and figure out which servers are NOT being displayed. My 19,000 is with ALL filters removed. - Shane ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives
