RE: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
Both Opteron and Xeon processors require registered memory. The kicker is registered memory has a small time penalty to it. Personal experience: At work for the past 4 years we have been running a test lab of 25 computers running our product. Some systems have registered memory others do not. To be honest I have yet to see a difference in reliability between the two types of memory. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] AMD or Intel? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Who the hell isn't going to have ECC Memory in a Server anyhow? Can you get Xeon Motherboards that won't run on ECC memory? To be honest I've never even bothered to check, its not even something you think about when making the decisions on these sorts of boxes. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
This information is entirely incorrect. Opterons have on-chip memory controllers, which require registered memory. Chipsets for xeon motherboards do not require registered memory. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deadman Standing Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] AMD or Intel? Both Opteron and Xeon processors require registered memory. The kicker is registered memory has a small time penalty to it. Personal experience: At work for the past 4 years we have been running a test lab of 25 computers running our product. Some systems have registered memory others do not. To be honest I have yet to see a difference in reliability between the two types of memory. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] AMD or Intel? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Who the hell isn't going to have ECC Memory in a Server anyhow? Can you get Xeon Motherboards that won't run on ECC memory? To be honest I've never even bothered to check, its not even something you think about when making the decisions on these sorts of boxes. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
how does 64 bit made use of in this game, is it possible?? - Original Message - From: Simon Garner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] AMD or Intel? On Wednesday, August 18, 2004 5:12 PM NZT, Chance Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Add Opteron's in there and you got the 4 corners. Yeah, could do that as well, but I'm not sure how Opteron performance compares, anybody got some numbers for that too? For the same price as the Xeon 3GHz we'd only be able to get 1.8GHz Opterons. I know the clock speeds are not directly comparable but I suspect with Opteron we'd be paying a premium just for 64-bit, and not making much use of it. -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
They are on par with the xeons and are quick as hell. Here are the current benchmarks for the 1.8 3.0 and info. Well here is the stuff from AMD's site, it's geared toward their product, but it does state some facts as far as bus-speed and such. http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8796_8799,0 0.html Now here are the benchmarks. Single Opteron http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q2/cpu2000-20030421-02106.html Dual Opteron http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q2/cpu2000-20030421-02118.html Dell Single Xeon http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q2/cpu2000-20030404-02022.html Dell Dual Xeon http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q2/cpu2000-20030404-02023.html This page, you can search and look at the other results for the Intel's vs. amd as well as other cpu's such as Itanium and such. It has both the 1.8 and 3.06 Xeons, which are right on par with each other, and the opterons beating the xeons out quite a few times. http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q2/#SPECint This site has an abundance of benchmarks, even from systems most of us would never see such as a 128 CPU Itanium system. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Garner Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 1:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] AMD or Intel? On Wednesday, August 18, 2004 5:12 PM NZT, Chance Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Add Opteron's in there and you got the 4 corners. Yeah, could do that as well, but I'm not sure how Opteron performance compares, anybody got some numbers for that too? For the same price as the Xeon 3GHz we'd only be able to get 1.8GHz Opterons. I know the clock speeds are not directly comparable but I suspect with Opteron we'd be paying a premium just for 64-bit, and not making much use of it. -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
On Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:26 PM NZT, Chance Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are on par with the xeons and are quick as hell. Here are the current benchmarks for the 1.8 3.0 and info. Hey thanks for the info. Sounds like they should be great, but does anybody have real-world results for HLDS on Opteron? -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
Try: http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q3/athlon64-3500/index.x?pg=1 They perform 19 different tests, unfortunately none are HLDS, on 22 diff AMD and Intel processors. For xenon try: http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q2/opteron-x50/index.x?pg=1 The truth is if you get the latest processors of AMD or Intel you will have a butt kicking server. What I pulled from theses articles is Intel has to be clocked about 1 ghz ABOVE AMD to match the AMD's performance. The Opteron is a solid processor but it requires registered memory which is about $50 a gig more expensive than non-registered RAM. Hope this helps, It has worked well for me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Garner Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 1:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] AMD or Intel? Hi people, It's that old war again and I need to choose sides. :) We are going to be building a bunch of 1U servers. For roughly the same price I have a choice between: AMD Athlon XP 3200 or Intel Pentium 4 3.2GHz Prescott socket 478 or Dual Xeon 3.0 GHz The dual Xeon's are about 1.5x the price of the other two but I figure they're at least 1.5x the performance/capacity so they're my favoured option currently. Although I've had good results with dual Athlon's before I'm not considering them this time around because the Athlon MPs seem to be lagging behind the XPs technologically, with lower GHz and slower FSB. Anyway, I am just wondering if anybody has made any side by side performance comparisons lately for HLDS on these CPU platforms. What's your pick? cheers -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Also note you selection of OS can make a big difference: Note the results for P4 vs Opteron look misleading due to it comparing a then top end opteron with only a 2.8Ghz P4. map P4 Opteron dod_donner 49 27 dod_jagd 50 32 dod_kalt 50 31 dod_escape 51 30 dod_kraftstoff 51 27 dod_flash 53 33 dod_zalec 55 33 dod_avalanche 57 35 dod_caen 58 34 Half Life - Day of Defeat ( Steam ) players map FreeBSD32 Suse32 Suse64 18 dod_kalt 684 862 n/a 18 dod_avalanche 765 888 n/a 18 dod_flash 684 922 n/a 18 dod_zalec 774 991 n/a 18 dod_jagd 689 1004 n/a This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [ clip_image001.gif of type image/gif deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
I'll try again without the html :P Also note you selection of OS can make a big difference: Note the results for P4 vs Opteron look misleading due to it comparing a then top end opteron with only a 2.8Ghz P4. http://gaming.multiplay.co.uk/stats/dod_comp.htm Steve / K - Original Message - From: Steven Hartland [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
Is there a mailing list somewhere that I can join that actually has something to do with running a dedicated server? What's up with the video card and CPU debates? I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I'm pretty busy. Aside from being spammed already, I don't enjoy fishing through an additional 40 emails a day to see 4 or 5 that are actually helpful. Watch... this will spawn an all-new, off-topic debate on spam filters and mailing list politics. I can't wait to see how many useless mails I have tonight. CorpseHumper http://www.newbfest.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
Considering this thread was all about server performance I'm a bit lost to your comment. Perhaps if people didn't make totally off topic comments like yourself there might be less spam and more content. Steve / K - Original Message - From: CorpseHumper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a mailing list somewhere that I can join that actually has something to do with running a dedicated server? What's up with the video card and CPU debates? I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I'm pretty busy. Aside from being spammed already, I don't enjoy fishing through an additional 40 emails a day to see 4 or 5 that are actually helpful. Watch... this will spawn an all-new, off-topic debate on spam filters and mailing list politics. I can't wait to see how many useless mails I have tonight. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
Both where dual processor boxes with 2Gb ram. 2.2Ghz Opterons where 248's 2.8Ghz P4's where Xeons 400Mhz FSB. Both results tested under identical FreeBSD 5.2.1 OS installs. The html version shows it clearer if you havent seen it: http://gaming.multiplay.co.uk/stats/dod_comp.htm Steve / K - Original Message - From: Whisper . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are those just vanilla P4's or Xeons? The % difference is amazing and I cannot see a few more 100MHz making up the difference when you view it in percentage difference terms This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] So Linux is an evil CPU hog and FreeBSD rules? Thats if Im reading that graph correctly? :) Original Message Follows From: Steven Hartland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] AMD or Intel? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:20:20 +0100 Both where dual processor boxes with 2Gb ram. 2.2Ghz Opterons where 248's 2.8Ghz P4's where Xeons 400Mhz FSB. Both results tested under identical FreeBSD 5.2.1 OS installs. The html version shows it clearer if you havent seen it: http://gaming.multiplay.co.uk/stats/dod_comp.htm Steve / K - Original Message - From: Whisper . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are those just vanilla P4's or Xeons? The % difference is amazing and I cannot see a few more 100MHz making up the difference when you view it in percentage difference terms This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- 10,000 children need sponsors change a life[1] ===References:=== 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENAU/2728??PS=47575 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
In the DoD test FreeBSD did seem to shine yes. Other games Linux won narrowly, overall FreeBSD did see to produce the best results. http://gaming.multiplay.co.uk/stats/server_os_comparison.htm Steve / K - Original Message - From: Whisper . [EMAIL PROTECTED] So Linux is an evil CPU hog and FreeBSD rules? Thats if Im reading that graph correctly? :) This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
Come on now, I wasn't looking to start a flame war. By your own admission I had a point with regard to the vid card discussion. I was honestly just looking to try and thin the number of useless emails coming through the list daily. I have no problem with discussing CPU requirements for running X number of servers on a dedicated machine. AMD vs. Intel discussions always end-up with dozens of opinions and comparisons and frankly it's tedious and tiresome for people that don't have CPU loading issues. It's almost as bad as video chipset debates, or religeon for that matter. Can't someone just simply answer the questions? Do we have to pick apart every maps's requirements and compare bits vs. bytes and nVidia vs. ATI and good grief, man --- Whisper . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] To the idiot who doesn't want to talk about CPU power, guess what, HLDS is nearly all about CPU power. The video card thread was an annoying distraction though! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
Go for the dual xeons. Mapchange likes to have another processor to pick up the slack. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Garner Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 1:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] AMD or Intel? Hi people, It's that old war again and I need to choose sides. :) We are going to be building a bunch of 1U servers. For roughly the same price I have a choice between: AMD Athlon XP 3200 or Intel Pentium 4 3.2GHz Prescott socket 478 or Dual Xeon 3.0 GHz The dual Xeon's are about 1.5x the price of the other two but I figure they're at least 1.5x the performance/capacity so they're my favoured option currently. Although I've had good results with dual Athlon's before I'm not considering them this time around because the Athlon MPs seem to be lagging behind the XPs technologically, with lower GHz and slower FSB. Anyway, I am just wondering if anybody has made any side by side performance comparisons lately for HLDS on these CPU platforms. What's your pick? cheers -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] AMD or Intel?
Add Opteron's in there and you got the 4 corners. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Garner Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 1:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] AMD or Intel? Hi people, It's that old war again and I need to choose sides. :) We are going to be building a bunch of 1U servers. For roughly the same price I have a choice between: AMD Athlon XP 3200 or Intel Pentium 4 3.2GHz Prescott socket 478 or Dual Xeon 3.0 GHz The dual Xeon's are about 1.5x the price of the other two but I figure they're at least 1.5x the performance/capacity so they're my favoured option currently. Although I've had good results with dual Athlon's before I'm not considering them this time around because the Athlon MPs seem to be lagging behind the XPs technologically, with lower GHz and slower FSB. Anyway, I am just wondering if anybody has made any side by side performance comparisons lately for HLDS on these CPU platforms. What's your pick? cheers -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- No. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of John Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 01:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. Do you need a son? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Cumming Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hiya, I don't want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has any thoughts or experiences that may help. Basically the servers in question are these: 3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram. 3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz. The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed several tests getting the boxes as full as possible. Dual mp 2400: 52 players, spread across 4 servers. 12man, 20man, 12man, 18man. The 20man and 18man are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac. The other 2 servers are just running vac. With this setup the cpu load is at 100% constant. P4 3Ghz: 35players, spread across 2 servers. 14man, 20man, 12man. The 20man is full running metamod 1.17 and clanmod 1.82b1 and vac. The other 2 servers are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac With this setup the cpu load is at 30-42% All servers were running the same map. As a cross reference the server on the p4 (20man) was using 20-25%. The 20man on the AMD dual was using 40-45% of total system cpu. I need to do further testing on this to get more extensive figures, but from early investigations despite having 2 cpu's each clocked at 2ghz (from memory), against a 3ghz single chip its being run circles around. IF the p4 figure are to go by, if I was happy with 100% cpu load, then I could have 70-80 players running off this box to get the same cpu useage as 52players on the dual! Now, the other duals are all having a similar story, the p4's are doing exceptionally well, even the 2.67 seems to be able to support more players than the dual. What do the rest of you think ? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 27/07/2004 -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- Windows 2000 pro on all of them. Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of GreyFox Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 00:55 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. Neil Cumming wrote: Hiya, I dont want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has any thoughts or experiences that may help. Basically the servers in question are these: 3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram. 3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz. The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed several tests getting the boxes as full as possible. [..snip...] What operating system are you running on those machines? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- lol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Philipp G. Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 02:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. too late, I called dibs From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:18:52 -0500 Do you need a son? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Cumming Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hiya, I don't want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has any thoughts or experiences that may help. Basically the servers in question are these: 3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram. 3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz. The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed several tests getting the boxes as full as possible. Dual mp 2400: 52 players, spread across 4 servers. 12man, 20man, 12man, 18man. The 20man and 18man are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac. The other 2 servers are just running vac. With this setup the cpu load is at 100% constant. P4 3Ghz: 35players, spread across 2 servers. 14man, 20man, 12man. The 20man is full running metamod 1.17 and clanmod 1.82b1 and vac. The other 2 servers are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac With this setup the cpu load is at 30-42% All servers were running the same map. As a cross reference the server on the p4 (20man) was using 20-25%. The 20man on the AMD dual was using 40-45% of total system cpu. I need to do further testing on this to get more extensive figures, but from early investigations despite having 2 cpu's each clocked at 2ghz (from memory), against a 3ghz single chip its being run circles around. IF the p4 figure are to go by, if I was happy with 100% cpu load, then I could have 70-80 players running off this box to get the same cpu useage as 52players on the dual! Now, the other duals are all having a similar story, the p4's are doing exceptionally well, even the 2.67 seems to be able to support more players than the dual. What do the rest of you think ? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 27/07/2004 -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Share a single photo or an entire photo slide show right inside MSN Messenger. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- At this point I dont really want to invest in any more AMD hardware, especially as most of the boards for the duals operate on the same chipset afaik. With the p4's we have an asus board running with the springdale chipset, and also a gigabyte with an sis chipset and they both run more player slots. Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Richard Welsh Sent: Wed 28/07/2004 06:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. -- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] This simple get the best AMD board and the best P4 board... get Corsair Ram and test... if ya don't you lose. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 07/27/04 19:22:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hiya, I dont want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has any thoughts or experiences that may help. Basically the servers in question are these: 3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram. 3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz. The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed several tests getting the boxes as full as possible. Dual mp 2400: 52 players, spread across 4 servers. 12man, 20man, 12man, 18man. The 20man and 18man are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac. The other 2 servers are just running vac. With this setup the cpu load is at 100% constant. P4 3Ghz: 35players, spread across 2 servers. 14man, 20man, 12man. The 20man is full running metamod 1.17 and clanmod 1.82b1 and vac. The other 2 servers are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac With this setup the cpu load is at 30-42% All servers were running the same map. As a cross reference the server on the p4 (20man) was using 20-25%. The 20man on the AMD dual was using 40-45% of total system cpu. I need to do further testing on this to get more extensive figures, but from early investigations despite having 2 cpu's each clocked at 2ghz (from memory), against a 3ghz single chip its being run circles around. IF the p4 figure are to go by, if I was happy with 100% cpu load, then I could have 70-80 players running off this box to get the same cpu useage as 52players on the dual! Now, the other duals are all having a similar story, the p4's are doing exceptionally well, even the 2.67 seems to be able to support more players than the dual. What do the rest of you think ? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 27/07/2004 -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ IMSTP.gif of type image/gif deleted ] -- [ BackGrnd.jpg of type image/jpeg deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ winmail.dat of type application/ms-tnef deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] AMD vs Intel.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hiya, I dont want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has any thoughts or experiences that may help. Basically the servers in question are these: 3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram. 3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz. The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed several tests getting the boxes as full as possible. Dual mp 2400: 52 players, spread across 4 servers. 12man, 20man, 12man, 18man. The 20man and 18man are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac. The other 2 servers are just running vac. With this setup the cpu load is at 100% constant. P4 3Ghz: 35players, spread across 2 servers. 14man, 20man, 12man. The 20man is full running metamod 1.17 and clanmod 1.82b1 and vac. The other 2 servers are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac With this setup the cpu load is at 30-42% All servers were running the same map. As a cross reference the server on the p4 (20man) was using 20-25%. The 20man on the AMD dual was using 40-45% of total system cpu. I need to do further testing on this to get more extensive figures, but from early investigations despite having 2 cpu's each clocked at 2ghz (from memory), against a 3ghz single chip its being run circles around. IF the p4 figure are to go by, if I was happy with 100% cpu load, then I could have 70-80 players running off this box to get the same cpu useage as 52players on the dual! Now, the other duals are all having a similar story, the p4's are doing exceptionally well, even the 2.67 seems to be able to support more players than the dual. What do the rest of you think ? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 27/07/2004 -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.
Neil Cumming wrote: Hiya, I dont want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has any thoughts or experiences that may help. Basically the servers in question are these: 3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram. 3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz. The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed several tests getting the boxes as full as possible. [..snip...] What operating system are you running on those machines? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.
Do you need a son? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Cumming Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hiya, I don't want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has any thoughts or experiences that may help. Basically the servers in question are these: 3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram. 3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz. The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed several tests getting the boxes as full as possible. Dual mp 2400: 52 players, spread across 4 servers. 12man, 20man, 12man, 18man. The 20man and 18man are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac. The other 2 servers are just running vac. With this setup the cpu load is at 100% constant. P4 3Ghz: 35players, spread across 2 servers. 14man, 20man, 12man. The 20man is full running metamod 1.17 and clanmod 1.82b1 and vac. The other 2 servers are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac With this setup the cpu load is at 30-42% All servers were running the same map. As a cross reference the server on the p4 (20man) was using 20-25%. The 20man on the AMD dual was using 40-45% of total system cpu. I need to do further testing on this to get more extensive figures, but from early investigations despite having 2 cpu's each clocked at 2ghz (from memory), against a 3ghz single chip its being run circles around. IF the p4 figure are to go by, if I was happy with 100% cpu load, then I could have 70-80 players running off this box to get the same cpu useage as 52players on the dual! Now, the other duals are all having a similar story, the p4's are doing exceptionally well, even the 2.67 seems to be able to support more players than the dual. What do the rest of you think ? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 27/07/2004 -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.
too late, I called dibs From: John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:18:52 -0500 Do you need a son? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil Cumming Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 6:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hiya, I don't want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has any thoughts or experiences that may help. Basically the servers in question are these: 3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram. 3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz. The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed several tests getting the boxes as full as possible. Dual mp 2400: 52 players, spread across 4 servers. 12man, 20man, 12man, 18man. The 20man and 18man are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac. The other 2 servers are just running vac. With this setup the cpu load is at 100% constant. P4 3Ghz: 35players, spread across 2 servers. 14man, 20man, 12man. The 20man is full running metamod 1.17 and clanmod 1.82b1 and vac. The other 2 servers are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac With this setup the cpu load is at 30-42% All servers were running the same map. As a cross reference the server on the p4 (20man) was using 20-25%. The 20man on the AMD dual was using 40-45% of total system cpu. I need to do further testing on this to get more extensive figures, but from early investigations despite having 2 cpu's each clocked at 2ghz (from memory), against a 3ghz single chip its being run circles around. IF the p4 figure are to go by, if I was happy with 100% cpu load, then I could have 70-80 players running off this box to get the same cpu useage as 52players on the dual! Now, the other duals are all having a similar story, the p4's are doing exceptionally well, even the 2.67 seems to be able to support more players than the dual. What do the rest of you think ? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 27/07/2004 -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 7/26/2004 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Share a single photo or an entire photo slide show right inside MSN® Messenger. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.
-- -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] This simple get the best AMD board and the best P4 board... get Corsair Ram and test... if ya don't you lose. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 07/27/04 19:22:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] AMD vs Intel. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hiya, I dont want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has any thoughts or experiences that may help. Basically the servers in question are these: 3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram. 3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz. The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed several tests getting the boxes as full as possible. Dual mp 2400: 52 players, spread across 4 servers. 12man, 20man, 12man, 18man. The 20man and 18man are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac. The other 2 servers are just running vac. With this setup the cpu load is at 100% constant. P4 3Ghz: 35players, spread across 2 servers. 14man, 20man, 12man. The 20man is full running metamod 1.17 and clanmod 1.82b1 and vac. The other 2 servers are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac With this setup the cpu load is at 30-42% All servers were running the same map. As a cross reference the server on the p4 (20man) was using 20-25%. The 20man on the AMD dual was using 40-45% of total system cpu. I need to do further testing on this to get more extensive figures, but from early investigations despite having 2 cpu's each clocked at 2ghz (from memory), against a 3ghz single chip its being run circles around. IF the p4 figure are to go by, if I was happy with 100% cpu load, then I could have 70-80 players running off this box to get the same cpu useage as 52players on the dual! Now, the other duals are all having a similar story, the p4's are doing exceptionally well, even the 2.67 seems to be able to support more players than the dual. What do the rest of you think ? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.728 / Virus Database: 483 - Release Date: 27/07/2004 -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ IMSTP.gif of type image/gif deleted ] -- [ BackGrnd.jpg of type image/jpeg deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
